happy weekend, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert as we await a briefing by top pentagon officials set to begin at any moment, and we will take you there life. you see the lectern on the left side of your screen. fox news now confirming the pentagon will send additional american troops to saudi arabia, as well as two f-15 fighter squadrons and other military hardware, such as patriot batteries and one terminal high altitude area defense system, known as thad. this in response to attacks on saudi oil facilities last month. we understand the additional number to be deployed is roughly 1,000. right now there are currently 250 u.s. troops stationed there in saudi arabia on this particular mission. about 60,000 deployed across various nations and warships in the middle east. obviously, this comes as pentagon officials are eyeing the developments in another part of that region with turkey's military operation in northern syria. we are watching all of this, and we will bring you updates and

live coverage of it as it comes in. and this fox news alert now, a short time ago, former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch arrived on capitol hill. she's there for a closed door transcribed interview with three house committees as democrats have ramped up their impeachment inquiry. but congressman devin nunes, ranking republican on one of those committees, says yovanovitch has been an outspoken clinton supporter and critic of president trump. watch. >> my guess here is this is somebody the democrats have been coordinating with. let's not pretend that this ambassador hasn't been working with the democrats, okay? that's been happening. she is a democrat, she is a partisan. it's well-documented. >> harris: now house mosquitoes have issued new subpoenas. demanding documents from energy secretary, rick perry, and two additional witnesses. the show down, as you know, is intensifying with the

white house obtaining evidence. this, as president trump says he does not know the two associates of his attorney, rudy giuliani, who were arrested yesterday on campaign finance charges. although, he says, he may have been photographed with them. he gets his picture taken with a lot of people, he says. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, fox business network anchor to my right, dagen mcdowell. >> dagen: hello, how you doing? [laughter] >> harris: fox news contributor, lisa boothe. en fox news contributor, marie harf. in the center seat, i love and inaugural occasion! first time former acting attorney general, matt whitaker. he is "outnumbered." we've had you on "overtime," now we get you for an hour in the center seat. welcome. >> mr. whitaker: thank you, i'm very excited to be here. >> harris: do you think you have enough going on? [laughter] >> mr. whitaker: there's a few issues pumping right now. >> harris: let's jump right in. with these latest developments, yovanovitch, the former ambassador to the ukraine on the hill today. what are some things you are

watching for? >> mr. whitaker: i'm going to listen very carefully to what comes out of that room, because as we previously have seen in these sort of closed-door deposition situations, there is a selective leaking that happens. it happens on capitol hill every day. nobody is surprised by it. but they are going to try and put their thumb on the scale and influence the story and the narrative, and support the ongoing impeachment drumbeat. that is one of the tensions i'm starting to see, is the republicans in the room m democrats in the room racing to get their story out there and do either support their narrative or narrative their narrative. that's what i'm going to watch, what immediately comes out of the room. >> harris: before i open it up to everybody, i have one quick follow-up for you, matt. it has to do with the circus-like atmosphere the american public sees. hearing this one behind closed doors, but there is no shortage of those that have been open.

a >> matt: including my own. [laughter] see when you may have been the subject of one recovered right on this hour! we actually did cover it right here on "outnumbered." what is the benefit of sitting down with somebody and it being open versus sitting down with somebody on the doors being closed? you get more? i don't just say that shortsighted leak, like, "of course they will talk in private." are the questions different? >> matt: actually don't think they are. maybe in the closed door setting, there are a little less grandstanding and a little less playing for the cameras. but i think -- >> harris: that's a bonus. [laughter] >> matt: imagine that, a member of congress grandstanding are playing to the cameras. in my experience, when i was sitting in the chair at the judiciary committee, my answers were going to be the same no matter if it was live on national tv or whether it was closed-door. >> dagen: one quick question, and ari fleischer was asked about this. why cooperate and allow this woman to testify, when the state

department put a stop to gordon sondland's testimony early in the b? is expected to be back on capitol hill next week. i think ari fleischer, to borrow his words, he said it's confusing to have some people testify and maybe some not when you have a white house attorney sent a letter to the house leadership that, "we don't even view this as an impeachment proceeding." it seems like mixed messages. maybe some cooperation on the card, that's what ari fleischer said. >> matt: i wish i could explain it, now that i'm outside of the administration, sometimes trying to forget what they are doing with the strategy is, that's hard. because they are playing the same dynamic game that congress is. it's literally a game of chess. from what i can tell, they determine that the fight to keep her from testifying just wasn't worth it. and that she doesn't have any

contemporary evidence that was going to hurt the case. it's hard to say don i see why they could have kept the ambassador of the e.u. going there. but now it sounds like he's going back later. and she's up there. i can't explain it, but at the same time, i am certain that there are smart people of the white house, including pat cipollone he, the white house counsel. i would expect that this is part of the strategy that they've adopted to pick the right fights and to fight the right battles to ultimately win the overall war. >> lisa: i certainly hope that adam schiff releases the full transcript of today's testimony, and hearing. because he did not do that with ambassador volker, as well. if democrats really thought president trump was on the ropes and they had him on the ropes, why have they not release that information and that testimony? what we learned yesterday with president zelensky, he said he didn't feel -- there was no leverage. he didn't even know that the money was being withheld. that's also consistent with what we know ambassador volker said

in his witness testimony that was released, that he said he didn't let the ukrainians know the money was withheld until after the phone call. that's also consistent with what "the new york times" has previously reported, as well as buzzfeed. if they didn't know something was being leveraged, how was there a quid pro quo? if democrats do you think they have trump on the ropes, released everything. be transparent. put it out in the light and let the american people see and judge for themselves. >> marie: this is part of a process, though, lisa. actually, i don't like the idea of dribbing and drabbing things out. after go through the process of multiple going out to testify everyone who is asked and certainly everyone who was subpoenaed should. i hope the invested or actually does show up. and than anybody else does show up. this is part of the process. putting things out piecemeal isn't a responsible way to do it. >> lisa: but we seen that from the left. >> marie: receipt from

everyone, to be very clear. as matt said, both sides selectively leak to help their own case. what devin nunes was doing is also pretty responsible here. everyone who has worked with this ambassador believes that she is a career professional. sure, she may have personal political opinions as everyone does, but she comported herself through multiple postings at the state department well and i'm glad she's up there testifying today. >> dagen: but she can get asked that and that's all devin nunes said. he said, "we want to know and get her on the record. did she see negative things? it was she monitoring journalists in the united states?" she would be able to answer tha that. >> harris: i will go right back to that. you probably saw, and we want to remind everybody that defense secretary mark esper and mark milley, the joint chiefs of staff, we saw the incoming ceremony right here live a few weeks ago. they are going to hold a news conference at the pentagon briefing room. it was supposed to be beginning

around noon, so it's still around noon eastern we are watching that. i believe it has already started. each having an opening statement, and then questions and answers. let's watch. >> this operation puts our partners in harm's way. it risks the security of isis prison camps, and will further destabilize the region. from the president on down, we have communicated with the turks on this issue. i spoke with turkish defense minister akar yesterday to express our opposition to turkey's actions and reiterated the damage this is doing to our bilateral relationship. the chairman has similarly been in communication with his counterpart. as we previously reported, when turkey notified us of an imminent military operation, we relocated a small contingent of less than 50 special operations soldiers out of the immediate zone of attack. this decision was made to ensure american troops were not caught up in the fighting between turkish and kurdish forces.

the safety of our men and women in uniform remains our top priority. as such, we are repositioning additional forces in the region to exist tell mike assist with force protection as necessary. we also transferred to isis militants, known as the beatles, who were involved in the kidnapping and murder of u.s. and u.k. citizens in syria, to her custody. they are being held in a safe and secure location in the region, but outside of syria. at this time, he made no additional changes, but we will continue to assess the situation and our troop levels there. to be clear, we are not abandoning our kurdish partner forces, and u.s. troops remained with them in other parts of syria. the impulsive action of president erdogan to invade northern syria has put the united states in a tough situation, given our relationship with our nato ally, turkey, who has fought alongside the united states in the past. the force that helped us destroy the physical caliphate of isis, and the safety of u.s. military

personnel. rather than get pulled into this conflict, we put the welfare of our soldiers first while urging turkey to forgo the operation and working hard with us to address their concerns to the developed of a security zone along the border. we remain in close coordination with the syrian democratic forces, who helped us destroy the physical caliphate of isis. but i will not place american service members in the middle of a long-standing conflict between the turks and the kurds. this is not why we are in syria. we will continue work with the 18 members of the defeat isis coalition, and the syrian democratic forces, to ensure the defeat of isis. turning to tehran, it is clear that the iranians are responsible for the recent attacks on saudi arabian oil facilities. our international partners agree, including the united kingdom, france, and germany, who have said so publicly. despite iran's attempts to deny their involvement, the evidence recovered so far proves that tehran is responsible for these attacks.

iran's continued maligned behaviors part of its water campaign to destabilize the middle east and disrupt the global economy. iran's attempts to use terror, intimidation, and military force to advance its interests are inconsistent with international norms. today i spoke with the saudi minister of defense to discuss the status of saudi arabia's defense capabilities, and our ongoing efforts to protect from further iranian aggression. saudi arabia's long-standing secreted partner in the middle east and has asked for additional support to supplement their own defenses, and defend international rules-based order. in response to continued threats in the region, i have ordered the deployment to the kingdom of saudi arabia of two additional fighter squadrons and supporting personnel, along with patriot and thaad air defense batteries. taken together with other deployments, i have authorized last month. this involves about 3,000 united states forces. in fact, in response to iranian provocation since may, the u.s. has deployed an array of

different capabilities to the region, including airborne early warning aircraft squadrons, maritime patrol aircraft squadrons, patriot air and defense batteries, b-52 bombers, and previous transport, unmanned aircraft, and engineering and support personnel. this has involved the point of about 14,000 additional u.s. forces to the region. the u.s. military has on alert additional army, navy, marine, and air force units to quickly provide increased capability in the region if necessary. united states remains committed to protecting our allies, ensuring the free flow of resources needed to support the global economy, and demonstrating our commitment to upholding the rules-based international order. i urge other like-minded countries, especially our allies in europe, to follow the united states' lead and join us with their own defensive assets to ensure stability in the region. as we continue to implement the national defense strategy, my

aim is to remain operationally flexible in accordance to the concept of dynamic force employment. this deponent of troops is one example of how we will dynamically manage our force posture to align with the national priorities are meeting the challenges of today's very complex security environment. we will soon deploy naval, and other military capabilities and a similarly unpredictable fashion to place the right force in the right location at the right time. lastly, our ability to defend u.s. personnel, allies, and interests abroad depends on producible, adequate, and sustained timely funding from congress. regretfully, we are under a continuing resolution once agai again. crs cause great damage to military readiness and hurt our capability to provide forces for the future. i strongly urge congress to pass a defense appropriations and authorization bill now so that we can move forward with the many important programs needed to ensure our readiness and deter our adversaries. with that, general milley and i

would be happy to take your questions. thank you. reporting that mr. secretary, you said that the u.s. has not abandoned the fdf. can you tell us whether or not ongoing operations against isis has paused or slowed, or is the u.s. partnering with them continuing to do that in other areas? and mr. chairman, can you give us an assessment of the ongoing incursion by turkey into syria? have turkish ground troops gone in in any large numbers? is there any pushback or fighting back of any substance by the sdf? >> i will let the chairman gophers and speak to what's happening on the ground, and i will try to answer your policy question. >> with respect, you asked two questions. one is the ongoing office. we are still colocated with the sdf, with the exception of the two small outposts that we withdrew forces from, and a force protection.

as you know, the entire frontage of the turkish syrian border is about 440 or so kilometers. the area of the incursion, the turkish incursion, is about 125 kilometers. it's on the west, a village, and another on the east. and that's where the two oh people or us were. we withdrew forces throughout all of syria. we remain colocated with them. the sdf is still guarding prisons in the area that have been detained over time. so we are still conducting operations. obviously, this incursion that was initiated by the turks has had some effect, but yes, we are still colocated. with respect to the incursion itself, right now the turks have conducted air strikes, with a fixed-wing manned aircraft. they have constructed conductes of vehicles, in both reconnaissance and air strike mode. they have conducted artillery strikes, and some direct fire

from tanks on the northern side of the border. as far as forces that have come south, to our knowledge it's been relatively limited in terms of ground forces. we are talking about those two villages east and west of what is called the security mechanism zone. they have come south on both sides with some turkish military light infantry, commander forces, they call them. in coronation with the free syrian army. you look at the numbers of turkish military and the hundreds, maybe up to perhaps a thousand or something like that of the syrian free army. they have advanced in the west, somewhere in the region of, say, 5-7 kilometers. perhaps 10. in the east, something like 1- three, displayed the incursion on the ground is relatively limited. but the indirect fire strikes and the air strikes continued. with regard to the broader question come up and down the chain of command from president trump to myself, secretary of state pompeo, chairman millie, our centcom commander, others, we have

spoke to all of our counterparts and urge them to stop this incursion. to highlight the importance of doing so, because of the destabilizing effects of having throughout the region. the dramatic harm i feel is being done to our bilateral relationship. i've also had a similar conversation with the nato secretary general, updated him on the situation. i think you have seen that many of our nato allies have come out and said the same, that turkey must stop this incursion now. that remains our message. stop, let's go back to the status quo, and let's work out the security message it. the safe zone, if you will. to get back to something where we can separate the two forces. >> reporter: with your secretary, you asked the turks to stop and what you have descr. have you seen any sign that they are stopping or slowing? if you are telling the turks to stop, what are you telling the syrian democratic forces?

>> in my conversations with -- again, as of yesterday, with the minister car, i have no indicatio that they are willing to stop. i'm not surprised, because since i came into office in late july, and i've had multiple engagements, this is been there a consistent theme about the terrorist threat that they see , et cetera. how this is affecting international security, et cetera, et cetera. they've been adamant about making this incursion and have been dissatisfied with the progress we've made, so see no lessening with regard to their commitment at this point in time. >> reporter: what are you telling the syrian democratic forces to make >> do you want to comment on that? >> with respect to the turkish military, i just got off the phone shortly ago. my counterpart, multiple calls over the last several relays. again, not seeing any indications of warnings, of any planned stoppage of their military activity. >> reporter: to follow through, what are the u.s.

officials, u.s. military, telling the syrian democratic forces that they should do? in response to this incursion? >> right now we do have forces colocated and we are asking them to continue their partnership with us and continue the protection of our forces, and so on. naturally, there is a considerable amount of anxiety. i think you get a lot of that in your channels, as well. and the leadership of the sdf has given instructions to some of their forces to begin to move north in order to defend what they think is their territory. we are encouraging them not to overreact at this point, and to try and tempt things down in order to allow some sort of diplomatic resolution to some of this. >> reporter: mr. chairman, could you please explain to us how you expect to safeguard these prisoners -- >> harris: a lot of questions and details now from general milley and

secretary esper, as well, at the pentagon. we will continue to monitor this situation. i'm kind of looking down at my notes there. i don't know if you caught that last question about whether or not there was any indication or warning that turkey might stop its strikes. general milley says, joint chiefs of staff, no indication of that happening. well, what are you telling the syrian democratic forces? sdf? he said they are being told not to overreact at this point. we are watching very closely. the situation, of course, along the border of turkey and syria. were the president told to pull out a few hundred of our u.s. troops. in our numbers have been all over the place and it sounds like thousands, but that's not the case pray the president making a determination this week. we have watched unfold politically at home some pushback on the president of the united states, and militarily abroad. the turks move in to syria. it's a complicated and serious situation. we are also sending about a thousand additional troops to saudi arabia. so you see the secretary there,

secretary of defense esper, and you see general milley, joint chiefs of staff, talking about that operation, too. in reaction to the saudi oil facilities that were hit. let's bring it out now and talk about this. you, formerly of the state department, marie. your first thought? >> marie: what was so interesting this press conference, there were two main issues being discussed. one, the present withdrawing the troops from northern syria, and two, the present deciding to send a lot of trips from saudi arabia. they seems to be a mixed message. without this fight back in washington all week were democrats and republicans have been very critical of the president's decision. he said, "you know what? i promised to bring troops home pair that was my campaign promise. we can't solve the worlds problems." and it now we are sending over 1,000 new troops in saudi arabia. what is the goal of those diplomats connect what is the purpose there? those things are very interesting to think about together. >> harris: i want to bring in matt. you look at agreements, whether they be contractual, worldwide, whatever. formerly at the doj, as our

deputy attorney general. when you look at our agreement with nato, it's pretty clear. so we've entered that agreement with turkey. the kurds are our regional allies, but they are not part of that agreement. saudi arabia, we are in an agreement with. so those are -- >> marie: not -- >> harris: or not? >> matt: member with the president was faced with. he could have left those hundreds of troops on that border with our allies, in those containing -- the kurds. turkey has had to work coming over. he couldn't talk them out of doing what they're doing. his choice was, our u.s. forces are there right now in the middle of this. >> harris: not a lot of them. >> matt: which is not enough to defend themselves. it's very difficult situation. i think the president was right, pulling back this limiting force out of harm's way or back from what would have been the front line in this incursion.

the same time, for me, the bigger story is two things that we are really not talking about. one is the troops, going to saudi arabia to counter iran. some of what iran is doing. because we have 60,000 troops in the region right now that could be deployed at any time. these are -- >> harris: that was a number, a kind of stopped on that as we were entering this hour. that was part of my introduction, that our fabulous team had written. i kind of stopped on that number for second because i thought, "this is what the present was talking about when he said if something happens, in that category of emergency." and i'm paraphrasing the president. he's better words than i. if something happens, we have resources. a 60,000 is not the number that we often hear or think about. >> marie: but why do the saudis need our help and the kurds don't? >> dagen: i can tell you why they possibly need our help. they're only 250 troops in saudi arabia now. with the 1,000 additional forces, that is a significant

increase. it's always a "why now?" i'm sure this was in planning and the days prior. in iranian tinker knew the saudi arabian coast suffered damage on friday today. and they said it could've been a missile attack. see heavy attacks on the saudi arabian oil facilities. again, in oil destruction disre haven't seen since the first gulf war. recovered there. again, the hostilities are still front and center with this attack on the iranian tinker. >> lisa: one shift that is important, after the attack on the saudis community european allies come out in condemnation during the united states and condemnation were predeceasing them set up the channels the transcript sanctions and help the iranians. and others seem to be more on our side dealing with them. >> harris: that's a really good point. they're still in that deal with iran. we pulled out, they haven't. >> lisa: germany and france

additionally say, "look, it might be term for longer-term talks, additional conversations to be had." that's in a shift from having e support. >> dagen: there is one huge issue in saudi arabia's vast oil facility was attacked. how, with all the money -- we have the biggest budget in the world, in terms of defense. saudi arabia has the third largest budget in the world in terms of defense. how, with all that money and all our technology, did we add saudi arabia allow that oil facility to be attacked? again, there were clear holes in the protection of its greatest resource. maybe that might explain somewhat why we are moving troops into the region. >> harris: there's a lot of moving parts on this topic. i'm really glad you're here, matt whitaker. president trump unloading on the bidens in his first campaign-style rally, since democrats launch their impeachment inquiry. but the president also had words for other democrats, including former president obama.

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two days. by the way, whatever happened to under? where the hell is he? your father was never considered smart. he was only a good vice president because he understood how to kiss barack obama's -- . congressman omar is in america-hating socialist. she >> dagen: met comics when the logic process president trump. >> matt: that is president trump. i think the things that struck me were at the beginning and the middle parts, i was watching the support for law enforcement. that is clearly a group that he has connected with. i saw that when i was of that affirmative justice. i think the other thing is that he is trying to expand the electoral map. he is in minnesota. 20,000 people in downtown minneapolis at the target center. that's impressive.

he is obviously motivating his base. he is touching up issues they care about. aoc, omar, those members of congress that he wants to define as representing what the democrat party stands for. the hunter biden situation, i think it's very interesting to me. the children of candidates are usually off-limits, so to introduce hunter biden into this discussion and ask these questions -- let's just answer the question. hunter biden got the job in ukraine and the money from china because his last name is biden. there was no other qualification. and we should all admit that. and joe biden needs to admit that. at the same time, that was a classic trump rally. the people that showed up and attended that it got exactly what they wanted. they all looked like they were having a great time. to some extent, i think we are looking for a little bit of entertainment in our politics now. >> harris: can i say something about the people who showed up?

those are my people. i used to live in minnesota. when i say my people, i mean i covered politics they are. this is a states that gave us staunch both sides of the party. walter mondale lives and has come from neighborhoods in minneapolis. norm coleman, ten paul entity , the former mayor. i'm ready to getting to jesse yet! those are both sides of the political aisle. and then jesse ventura, was also paid my has been covered and when are there. these are people who are really open not just to the entertainment of politics come up with the nuances and the stretch of the brain, and the stretch of what is possible politically. it is a delicious mix of all of that. so it doesn't surprise me at all that the fabulous target center filled up, because people are curious, and they fill themselves with answers to satisfy that curiosity. unlike any place i have ever lived. >> lisa: what i found

interesting was this quote from the military don't act minnesota dfl chairman, democratic group in minnesota, saying he's never seen a ground game like this from republicans." frankie, they can't keep up. that is so interesting. if you look at 2016, he came close to winning minnesota, only spinning $30,000 with a couple of staffers. now they are investing millions of dollars: putting boots on the ground, training volunteers. so minnesota certainly is going to be an interesting state to watch. it so much easier to run when you know who you are running against. right now president trump doesn't have it. if you see it somebody like elizabeth warren, you can see how -- >> harris: he says that if a person will be thirsty. so that helps in. >> lisa: at such a clear contrast when you know you're running against. then you can start really painting her opposition in a certain light. >> marie: for me, one of the most disturbing parts of the rally were the comments he made about the somali americans. there is a huge somali american population in minneapolis, in

st. paul, and he referenced basically these neighbors of people at this rally. they started booing, he started saying they wanted fewer of them in their communities. forget about ilhan omar at all of that controversy -- these are americans who are patriotic. for him to speak that way about them and encourage the crowd to boo was very disconcerting to me in many ways. >> dagen: i will just add that president trump supports in g.o.p. strongholds appears to be rock solid. and approval rating, even as the polls move toward favoring an impeachment inquiry, his approval rating in one new survey was right at 43% where it's been during his time in office. we are just getting brand-new information about debate locations and dates for the 2020 general election, and they all have one very big thing in common. that's next. ♪ i have huge money saving news for veterans. mortgage rates just dropped to near 50-year lows. one call to newday usa can save you $2,000 every year.

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>> harris: breaking news, we are just getting brand-new information about debate locations and dates for the 2020 general election debates. peter doocy has all of the breaking details. peter? >> harris, more than a dozen democrats and the trump campaign can start blocking off hotel rooms in four states that all have one thing in common -- they were all carried in 2016 by president trump. first up, less than a year away at the end of next september is going to be a presidential debate in notre dame, indiana, which is notable because that is right next door to where near pete buttigieg's mayor, and also where mike pence was governor. next up is going to be a vice presidential debate between mike pence and whoever the democratic running mate is. that will be in salt lake city, utah, at the university of utah. next up, a presidential debate at the university of michigan, and another presidential debate in nashville, tennessee at belmont university. these sites were picked by the commission on presidential

debates, which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan group that has literally set the stages for events like this dating back to 1988. they are the ultimate-soaked on the actual case of a presidential campaign. the first debate between trump and clinton in 2016 drew 84 million viewers. harris? one all all right, we will mak4 and one! peter doocy, thank you very much. it will be a huge audience. what you think about the fact they are all carried about president trump committees menus? >> matt: two things surprise me. want to come about des moines, iowa didn't get it. too, that they would have a debate in the very red state of utah. that's an interesting place to have a debate. otherwise, michigan clearly is going to be a swing state come battleground state. you would expect that those types of states would get the debates to sort a those voters and their issues, so of event other

than to my not getting one... [laughter] >> harris: i love that. >> marie: the democratic governor's mansion, first there in 16 years, picked up a bunch of congressional seats. it's a classic. i obviously hate them because i'm in ohio state buckeye. as an iowa hawkeye you agree. >> matt: except for last week in. [laughter] >> marie: utah is conservative but they don't like president trump very much. it's a vice presidential debate, so that'll be interesting. i don't want to start thinking about debates yet. i feel like my head hurts and i need a nap. the one i think we are ready. you mention something earlier, lisa, that i thought was intriguing going back and forth here. the president needed to know who the other person will be, his opponent. it could be a socialist. how much does it matter to that of the person, depending on who it is -- and we know the top runners according to recent polling would be war an end biden -- how much is a matter for either one of these are in four states that the president

carried? >> lisa: i don't think it matters that much. with the president is looking at it, it's always easier when you run against somebody when there's a clear contrast. when you know some delay goes elizabeth warren, that's clear is contrast you can paint. she basically over there with bernie sanders of the socialist policies. she's not identifying yourself, self-identified as a socialist or democratic socialist like bernie sanders has. democratic socialist, but it socialist. those are the policy positions she believes in. medicare for all, et cetera, et cetera. that's the clearest contrast or president trump. that being said, that's what i've gone through my mind thinking through the process. i also think elizabeth warren is a better candidate than joe biden. the challenges and the question, do her policies completely alienate people? or is that the product of the fact that she's better candidate than joe biden? does that make her better candidate against president trump? that she end up being a tougher candidate or does she -- >> harris: does she become

more moderate? is that more of a danger politically, dagen, if she turns out to be not as genuine? because we do see that sometimes us candidates. >> dagen: how do you raise your hand at a debate doing her based on mike best tracy flick and say, "i'm going to take theh insurance away from americans tt it from their employer." she's done and she left you on it i love that they are going "nash vegas." it's very blue, the state is very red. it's a burgeoning city. the major metropolis of great health care and universities. >> harris: that store. i'm just saying. >> marie: i'm not going to ann arbor paid [laughter] >> harris: brand-new fox polling shows that candidates are getting seen. should president trump he concerned or can his base get him a second term? we will dig deep. ♪

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>> marie: a new fox poll max shows joe biden and elizabeth warren gaining ground in the 2020 democratic race. together they account for the support of more than half the democratic primary voters. biden still in the lead with 32% of voters, up three points from

september, followed by war and at 20 to 80%, new high for her. bernie sanders was third, dropping down one point from last month. meantime, voters are looking for numbers now compared to last month. we were talking about this of the brick, it's a national poll. frustrated numbers, especially burning coming down a little bit. but elections are based on state polls and state results. there are no national results. >> lisa: i wonder if it's a lie because they have biden up by ten, where national polling has allowed a much closer margin. i wonder about that. secondly, to your question, i think we made this mistake in 2016, as well. people paying so much attention to the national polling. but we don't have an election based on the popular vote, it's based on the electoral college. so it's much more informative to look at state polling, and particularly when you look at the democratic primary, to look at things like the iowa caucus,

the new hampshire primary. and right now you've got warren open those states. iowa and new hampshire are so determinative who ends up being the eventual nominee. both republican and the democratic primary contests. if you are if you are at home, what you should be looking at is these early states and then basing your information off of that. >> marie: we have a hawkeye here on the couch. spending time between washington and des moines. what you make of this? burning coming down, this was in the field a few days after his heart attack. so we probably haven't seen the full outcome of that, either. >> matt: two things have been watching. one is the combined number for elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, who reps of the far left and the heart of the party, which will be a lot of the iowa caucus-goers. that has been hovering around 50%, and joe biden has been below that combined number. the everything i look carefully at what i look at the real clear politics website is the gambling sites and the prediction sites that people are betting money.

they say elizabeth warren is more than 50%. she jumped in the last several weeks for about 30% likelihood to over percent likelihood. to me, that is telling me that race has clearly shifted to elizabeth warren to be the nominee. she is probably going to end up winning iowa as she brings together that left-wing of the democratic party. i think she's going to be very tough to beat as she heads into some of of those bigger states. >> harris: i had a question so i will kick it back to you, but the democrats and voters. whenever i've talked with democrats like yourself, they tell me the majority of the party are not far left. that they are moderate. however, when i asked people like antjuan seawright, who worked with hillary clinton's campaign in south carolina and very much knows how blacks will vote in that state, he is confused about whether or not she would get the black vote in that particular state. that elizabeth warren maybe okay for the primary but not leads. if you suffer unencumbered to go without? >> the numbers among

african-americans are still externally high. >> harris: what if he is out of the race? >> he will by then. are people scared of the far left and scared that biden can't win? to they go look at amy klobuchar or cory booker? we'll see. >> dagen: one thing i will note, that president trump -- do you think you will be reelected in 2020? no is now at 46%, again a six percentage points. that was notable in the polls. >> marie: we will keep watching this. could we soon call her congresswoman? chelsea clinton, and the reported push to get her to run for a congressional seat that just opened up unexpectedly, next. stay tuned. ♪ employees need more than just a paycheck. you definitely want to take advantage of all the benefits you can get. 2/3 of employees said that the workplace is an important source for personal savings and protection solutions. the workplace should be a source of financial security. keeping your people happy is what keeps your people. that's financial wellness. put your employees on a path

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>> dagen: could we soon have a new clinton and congress? democratic officials in westchester county, new york, just north of new york city, reportedly pitching chelsea clinton about launching a bid for nita lowey 'a seat after the long time you are congresswoman and especially announced her retirement yesterday.

marie, just from a personal perspective, why would chelsea clinton want to subject herself to that? [laughs] >> marie: i could think of no reason that she would want to. she clearly is an impressive woman, and has done her own things in her life. but if i were her eye would get away from this family political situation, do something different. >> matt: i completely disagree. >> marie: of course you do, you want her to run! [laughter] >> matt: this is just from a watcher of american politics. the crew still not clinton brand is an amazing political brand. she needs to run for something if she's going to be in the family business. unless she doesn't want anything to do with it, which -- i think she does. she kind of grew up watching this. there may be a bit -- as children you want to vindicate your parents' legacy. so i'm actually excited about this. maybe i will regret these words. >> dagen: jessica tarlov as pointed out there are millions and millions of people who voted for hillary clinton.

>> marie: absolute. >> dagen: they still have a great affection for her. >> lisa: i think it's a pretty democratic-leaning district, so republicans are probably not going to win. if you are chelsea clinton you have the clinton name, obviously you have incredibly high name i.d. if you're running in the democratic primary. additionally have that donor base, as well. she probably be well-positioned if she wanted to. i don't say this to be cruel, but if you see here an interview she's not particularly inspiring or interesting. so that could potentially be a challenge for her if you have someone in the race that's more dynamic, little stronger in their conviction. >> dagen: again, she wouldn't be a shoe in if she ran? >> lisa: she would have some institutional advantages, that another challenger would not have. name i.d. is so critical, particularly in the primary. then you have that built-in donor basis. >> dagen: matthew whitaker, so

good to see you. please come back. >> matt: thank you, you were all very kind to me. be to thank you so much, matt. we are back here noon eastern, monday. now here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, the pentagon has announced it will send about 1,000 additional u.s. troops to saudi arabia. just last hour we showed you defense secretary esper and joint chiefs chair mark milley saying the move is in response to the strikes on two saudi oil fields back in mid-september. the trump administration and our european allies are blaming iran for those attacks. iran denies involvement. meanwhile, the deadly turkish offensive in northern syria has entered day 3. we will bring you a live report from the pentagon just a bit later. fox news alert on this now, on capitol hill, 18 tells house panel she was kicked out due to pressure from president trump. we will dig deep. this is harris faulkner.