that's when gibson said he was waiting for the backdoor slider, and off it went. >> sandra: love it, bill hemmer x and a great job! nice to end on that there you have it. >> bill: i'm out! i've got nothing else. >> sandra: we will see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, hunter biden has broken in silence amid growing scrutiny over overseas business dealings, particularly those during the time of his father, joe biden, as vice president. as he pursues between 20% a bit. hunter biden acknowledging he probably would not have got on the board of the ukrainian oil company, burisma, if his last name or not biden. well he says he doesn't regret his business ventures, he does admit has actions of late into the hands of his father's clinical enemies. watch. >> i'm a human. did i make make a mistake? maybe, in the grand scheme of things, yeah. but to make a mistake upon some unethical labs?

absolutely not. >> harris: meanwhile, joe biden attempting to turn the tables on president trump's attacks, releasing an ethics plan. he says it would ensure no future president can use our office for personal gain, and accusing the trump administration of being mostly corrupt. "the most corrupt in american history." this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox news can become a lisa boothe. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. sound like a wrestling match. [laughter] in the center seat, always good to have him. editor in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation, chris bedford is here. we are saying you're "outnumbered" but always among friends. let's rock 'n' roll. joe biden's son hunter working from the p.r. mode, if you will. how much do you think that interview will hurt or help you mike or not? >> chris: i don't think it will help. i think he's dirty, he has a lot of things he has to deal with. i feel bad for his dad having to do with all the stuff right now when he's trying to run for president, which is a pretty

taxing job. look, he resigned from the board of a chinese firm recently. but he's not going to do any more foreign deals. a reporter dug into the documents behind it and pulled up all the business documents, the last one from september 18th. he may have resigned from the board but doesn't have a lot of power, its advisory. but he still has 10% equity in this company. his business partner still is the financial director of this company. he still owns the company that owns that equity. >> harris: i want to -- on october of 2017, hunter biden invested personally $120,000 to acquire a 10% equity in the chinese company that you just mentioned, that he now plans to exit the board of. b6 exit the board of, but you talk to anybody in business, you can exit the advisory board but if you own 10%, who cares? none of it matters. >> harris: jessica, when he says "when my father becomes president," and that interview, i would no longer do dealings

with foreign companies," and he is asked of it should be that way for everybody, "no, but i won't be doing it." what is the take for the biden family that you know of, versus all democrats, republicans, on whether or not you want to sit on the board? >> jessica: it seems like democrats are pretty unified on this pair this is part of kamala harris' and elizabeth warren's plans that would not allow the child to be vice president or someone serving in the administration to take a board seat of a foreign company. >> harris: should joe biden weigh in on that? what can he say? >> jessica: i honestly believe that joe biden has dealt with this as best as he possibly could, to be defensive and continue to emphasize that nothing improper or illegal was done here. i want to push back on what christmas saying about this not making a difference. i believe hunter biden connected with the audience. he is a very compelling character. he has some of that grief whisper a quality that is what he does pretty talk about his issues with addiction. he talked about having because his family harm. in this nation, we are drawn to

people who show humanity. you saw humanity in that interview. >> chris: he still does because his family harm come all the time. >> jessica: there is a level of nastiness and vitriol when used when discussing after biden, calling him a drug addict -- just b6 there's nothing worse than what he's done to his family. >> harris: i want to hear from under biden, can you play that? >> have you received any money from business dealings at all? not 1 cent? >> not 1 cent. here's the answer -- no one ever paid me $1.5 billion. if they had to, i would not be doing this interview right now. [laughs] >> harris: all all right. biden invested at proximally $420,000 to acquire a 10% equity area talk to me about money. speech you when you are at the partner in a firm and you've taken down that much an investment, there's a capital call, point at which you invested a new company. that's when he would have been asked to put in that -- whatever it was.

that's when he would have had to put it in on that, that particular deal. when he says he's off the board he still is an owner and the company, and it's a very long time horizon. when he says he hasn't gotten anything from that investment, that's because they haven't exited yet. you cash out when you exit the investment. amy didn't know to ask him, "have you collected any board fees? are getting fees on that capital in the meantime?" he's making a lot of money. i think the point is that if you look at the burisma situation, he's being paid three times the normal not you would pay for someone to be on the board and he doesn't have any expertise. that was my child i would say, "what do they think they are going to get from you? if you are getting paid three times the normal amount and you have less experience than anyone else? they want something in return." it may not be illegal, but it's definitely swampy when your dad is running on the moral high ground. >> harris: you wonder if they had that conversation. you and i are helicopter mom, so when our kids are 90 --

>> melissa: wooden chair the common sense if somebody said to you, "i'm going to pay you three times the normal amount for a job you have never done." they want something for me. >> lisa: also, joe biden has previously lied with reporters about having these conversations with his son about overseas business dealings. hunter biden has acknowledged this in previous interviews. so he lied about that. i take issue but he says this is the most corrupt administration we seen in modern history, when under the obama administration in 2014 you had 47 of the 73 inspectors general writing an open letter saying the obama administration was stonewalling their investigations and thwarting their ability to conduct independent investigations. or you have inspector general's go after the obama administration come whether it's fast and furious, the irs targeting of conservatives, or if the cia spying on the senate intelligence committee among the to their own members as they were investigating waterboardin waterboarding. spare me the idea that somehow it be a administration is

corrupt and the obama administration wasn't. a lot of extreme democrats are saying that, and they voted for hillary clinton, who deleted tens of thousands of emails i destroyed evidence of hammer. spain may spare me them having any moral high ground. come on. >> harris: laughter from chris bedard. >> chris: any time you see them call anyone the most anything or unprecedented, you must know they probably don't read behind the headlines that morning. because there's always something history, sometimes very recent history, as you pointed out, that's a little bit more corrupt than that. >> jessica: can we be clear about what's going on here? this is an issue because the president of the united states of america asked a foreign power to interfere, to dig up dirt on his political opponent, which would have a clear effects on the 2020 election. >> chris: dig up dirt? >> harris: i just want to interject with this one question and then take it away, jessica jessica. my big thing when i hear you say that, because we talk about what

about his, but it isn't right now. it's was generally being looked at. the hunter biden thing may legitimately be closer looked at. why can't we do both? >> jessica: it seems like people are, and i applaud hunter biden -- >> harris: what is the problem? when we talk about hunter biden and he comes on -- look, there are some democrats who don't think that helped, so we have to see how it shakes out. >> jessica: they were saying it before the interview came up. i'm not sure how they feel right now. >> harris: we can take the temperature and see how it plays out. go ahead, jessica. go ahead. >> jessica: the issue right now and what the president may very well be impeached for is asking for foreign interference in an election. i would also like to add that everyone wants to sit around cooing about how corrupt the biden's are at all this, they don't want to look at their own house. how much did jared and ivanka make last year? >> harris: i'm going to cue my friend melissa. >> melissa: one of the big difference is that was their actual business. >> jessica: are they supposed to divest? >> melissa: as opposed to

hunter biden, who went and had no expertise, no no knowledge of any of e-cigs from to lobbing a more it's obvious you're making money coming to private equity which would be more mone money. people know about the trumps, that's been out there. joe biden is running as everyone's morro superior. his campaign ad when he started this campaign is, "i will bring decency and morals and respect a buddy back to this country." and by what you are saying, he's doing the same thing. so he's not bringing anything back to anything. he's the same as anyone else. >> harris: as your words hang in a dialogue bubble, i will put this in. democratic president to candidate joe biden has unveiled a plan. we knew this yesterday, about how the initiation would prioritize ethics, should he be elected president in 2020. that is rich considering the controversy that's going on right now. >> chris: it's a little rich, trying to get out of it. the statement yesterday wasn't very impressive. to her point about impeachment,

we shouldn't dispense of the idea that it's a remote possibility, that's going to ben investigation. the democrats tried to impeach the president because he made fun of the squad. the democrats tried to impeach the present because he was mean to the nfl. and they are definitely going to vote to impeach him no matter what. right now they're taking it seriously, they can't tell the public about it. >> jessica: you don't think is legitimate? >> chris: john bolton -- >> jessica: a deep state democrat like john bolton? >> lisa: jessica, the reason why i made that previously, but i think ultimately 2020 is going to come down to -- i think most americans look around and say, "a pox on everyone's house." no one has the moral high ground. my party doesn't come either. >> harris: they don't get things done on capitol hill, we get that. >> lisa: nobody does preultimately comes down to which candidate will advance the position i want advanced. the same thing 2016 came a doctor because that's what 2020 will come down to. all these conversations, "you did this, you did this, yada yada," and that's what 2020 will

be about. >> harris: and ethics suggestion. your last word? >> jessica: chris, you want to stop laughing like that. if you put donald trump versus joe biden up there and you asked for some kind of question about their morality of their ethics, or level of corruption, considering what's going on, right now come with corruption relating to ukraine, you're going to get joe biden by a mile there. donald trump was corrupt in new york city, he was a fraud of a businessman. we know he went bankrupt several times. >> harris: we are running out of time. >> jessica: he puts his name on everything. >> melissa: good marketing. >> chris: i disagree. if the democrats really believe that they wouldn't be trying to impeach him. we'd still be trying to beat him in the election. >> harris: we will move on. lebron james under fire for his latest remarks on the nba china controversy. what lebron james said, and why some people are now up in arms over it. and today marking the deadline for more subpoenas, and house democrats' impeachment in korea.

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>> melissa: fox news alert, house democrats shifting their impeachment inquiry into high gear. president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, facing a deadline today to comply with a subpoena for documents along with the pentagon and the white house budget office. and lawmakers have requested materials from vice president mike pence today, by today, as well. in the meantime, deputy assistant secretary of state george kent is the latest trump associate official to appear on capitol hill for a closed-door deposition. one house republican asking why the democrats insist on holding these interviews in private.

>> if they are not going to have these depositions in public for the entire country to watch in real time, at least release the transcripts. if they're not going to do that, to your question, absolutely, let's have this testimony out in front of the american public. >> melissa: lisa? >> lisa: for me, the big picture remains the same in the sense of the doj criminal investigation took a look at the call and didn't find any criminal wrongdoing with it. additionally, it has not been established that the ukrainians were aware any money was being withheld. so it's hard to imagine that was being leveraged. so those things remain the same. there's been reports of the southern district of new york is potentially looking to giuliani for violations, which strikes me is political. there's only been seven criminal affair cases from 1966 to 2015 in total, and then you have prosecutors go after paul manafort, michael flynn, and potentially rudy giuliani on a fair violations when there are so many people in washington, d.c., that we could be completely guilty of blabbing

on behalf of foreign governments and feeling to register, particularly someone like tony podesta, which it was at least reported that he something similar on behalf of the ukraine. so that strikes me, if you go after them on that specifically, when it's not equally applied, that raises questions. >> melissa: if they don't respond to the subpoenas -- >> chris: don't hold your breath. >> melissa: a link which is in court? what happens from there? >> chris: it will languish in court. they can order the rest of members of the executive. >> harris: we saw members of the house call for that just last week. >> chris: yes, we did. i would say it's unlikely. if eric holder was stonewalled and was aggressive by republicans wanted to get home, i think the executive will do that again. this is the problem the executive faces. they are saying it's unconstitutional. let's democrats are doing. it's constitutional. there are no rules in the constitution on how to impeach anybody. >> harris: which of the argument being? >> chris: they should say it's

unfair. it's extremely unfair. >> harris: how does that pay politically? >> chris: both administrations that have been impeached or threatened with impeachment, clinton and nixon, both sides had a say. there was a vote. it was treated a little bit more like an actual open process, and they can point to that and say, "hey, this is not fair." it's important people see this is not completely partisan if it will change anything. >> jessica: i was very lucky to run into our own judge napolitano in a green room earlier and ask him about this question come about the transparency issues. so we all agree it's within the democrats' bounds that they can be running at exactly this way. he said what's going on right now is interviewing witnesses. that's hurt in a regular trial since the republicans -- >> harris: you saw the wording on that change today, know they are calling them "depositions." >> jessica: that would never be done in public. democrats don't know if they will call fiona hill or ambassador marie yovanovitch. so they aren't doing anything wrong here. the accusation from republicans, democrats are the only ones in

the world who leak, it's patently false. we know that. every side leaks. i don't really have any problem with this. they're getting bomb shell after it bombshell. go ahead. >> melissa: speaking of bombshells, we are learning that fiona hill, a former white house aide on russian affairs, told house lawmakers yesterday that a july meeting between u.s. and ukrainian officials regarding unspecified investigations left her and former national security advisor, john bolton, concerned. so much so that both and instructed hill to tell a lawyer on the national security council. this was about two weeks before president trump's phone conversation with the leader of ukraine. hill left the administration just days before this cold. that's a lot to keep track of, harris. >> harris: i'm going to kick my time a bit to chris bedford, because it's the messaging, too, that is so much a part of this. how do you handle that? >> chris: john bolton attacking the president? a lot of people are kind of surprised when john bolton during this administration.

john bolton was -- early on, he wanted to be a part of it and wanted to be involved with national security. but he butted heads immediately and was very against a lot of what the president campaigned on. a lot of what his staffers pushed for. john bolton gives a lot of credit for being a bull. he's courageous. he will go anywhere and say anything and be very tough. but you also have to keep in mind that he really takes care of john bolton. a lot of people do that in d.c. or anywhere. i see this as a reflection of that. also, this happened before the phone call that the president is currently in trouble for, that they might impeach him over. that should be mentioned all the time when you are looking at anything going on. >> harris: don't ask >> melissa: what about that? >> jessica: i think the timing obviously matters, but the testimony we heard from both fiona hill and ambassador yovanovitch was that rudy giuliani, the president, speech welcome and those two guys arrested last week, the ukrainians, they are running a shadow foreign policy.

we know that the aide was held up ahead of the call. president zelensky himself didn't know that, but the timing of this makes sense. for people to be sitting down saying john bolton takes care of john bolton, i disagree with 98.9% with the policies they want to see them fomented. but he is someone who loves this country, he is someone who has a very strict and buy the book sense of what is right and wrong. >> chris: they didn't love the country? a >> jessica: i don't think we knew as mayor giuliani of new york on 9/11 is who we are seeing today. he is selling out the united states of america for personal profit and to benefit his client. >> lisa: to your point about your conversation with napolitano, impeachment is political in nature. with the democrats are doing right now looks incredibly partisan. i don't think that helps if he make people pay to talk about the bombshell that has been released, that's what democrats are leaking. put all the information out

there, and if they don't, it looks like this is part of an attempt to append the election. >> harris: democrats agree with that. i mention to him previously in terms of getting the sergeant of arms to get out and arrest people who don't comply the subpoenas. he said do that after you do the furnace move of holding a full vote on the management inquiry on the floor of the house. 47 ready to get on the record. this is a democrat talking. garamendi of california saying, "look, there is precedence for this. it's the right thing to do." and then he said, "let's fight it out. democrats and republicans, the executive, let's all fight it out but do it so everybody can call witnesses, subpoena, whatever. and then if your witnesses don't show up you get the sergeant at arms." took with him he said, "you put them in a little jail." [laughter] he made news saying that last week. i wonder how many other democrats would come on board with him in terms of that way of thinking. >> melissa: strong words from attorney general bill barr

decrying attacks on religious values, and warning of the rise of militant secularism. his comments, and the reaction. plus, president trump issuing new sanctions against turkey over its syria offensive. now vice president pence preparing to lead the u.s. delegation to turkey. so are we any closer to a cease-fire? >> president erdogan reached out and requested the call. president trump communicated to him very clearly, that the united states of america wants turkey to stop the invasion. ♪

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>> harris: president trump is imposing sanctions on turkey amid the growing international uproar over its offensive in syria. this, as vice president mike pence says president trump made his expectations going forward to clear during a phone call with the turkish president yesterday.

>> president trump communicated to him very clearly that the united states of america wants turkey to stop the invasion, to implement an immediate cease-fire. and the president has directed me and robert o'brien to lead a delegation to turkey in the immediate future to begin discussions and negotiations to bring the bloodshed to an end. >> harris: and he's talking about, of course, what we've learned. and that's that the vice president will leave for turkey within the next 24 hours. meanwhile, there is this -- more backlash from lawmakers, top senate democrats already sang the sanctions will not be enough. house speaker nancy pelosi hitting the president's response so far as falling very short. is she right or wrong? >> chris: following very short? it's embarrassing that senators and congressmen in the united states would criticize trump for not going to war, when they have the power in the u.s. senate to declare war. which they haven't done since 9/11. it's unbelievable to see

mitch mcconnell, to see chuck schumer out there yelling at the executive, "why don't you just expand and start a new war in syria over a different fight with a nato ally?" when they are too afraid to take a vote on it? >> harris: chris, can i just ask you -- our relationship with the kurds. i know they are not nato allies, but they helped put thousands of ices fighters either in the ground or in a jail cell. >> chris: they did. we should let them do that more. >> harris: but we took our people out. i know the president said there were a few troops, not more than a few hundred of them come up now we are moving them compose the out of syria. we want to put on sanctions. is this too much after the fact? should there have been the different move here? >> chris: it's hard to. this would be a complete bait and switch. it's very common in d.c. the kurds have fought courageously alongside united states troops. they were also fighting for their homeland against somebody invading their own land, isis. the united states came in and supported them with a very clear goal of destroying isis.

if that goal switches to building a kurdistan and pushing back turkey? that's a different war. in the senate should vote on a different war. i don't know with your authorization for fighting islamic terror would come in on fighting turkey for kurdistan. i couldn't possibly think that. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: that's not at all what was happening here. there was no reason besides the fact that erdogan called it president trump and said, "i would like this done." there were 50 to to a couple hundred troops in the region. it was bipartisan almost unanimous disapproval of what president trump has done here. >> chris: that's how you know he's wrong. >> jessica: know, chris. we know he's wrong because of all the videos of dead kurds we are seeing. i just want to say -- >> chris: i'm more worried about people from ohio than kurdistan. >> jessica: you can actually be worried about both. >> chris: nodded as an american. >> jessica: hold on. the president says, "who cares

about the kurds? where were the enormity?" and we sent 1800 soldiers to saudi arabia, who i believe were not fighting with us on the beaches of normandy. the president is doing erdogan and president putin's bidding. >> chris: putin? [laughs] okay. >> jessica: you don't know putin controls every thing there? >> chris: yeah, i know he controls every thinker [laughs] >> harris: as you look at this debate, i imagine it is a microcosm of what we are seeing on the hill. i want to ask to look forward. vice president pence is on his way there. what needs to happen to bring both sides together? if we do have to declare something, congress, as chris has pointed out, is going after getting to the middle of all this. >> lisa: i think there's great area, so i actually kind of -- i think everybody on this couch knows i'm very opinionated on a lot of things, but i can kind of see both sides on this issue, to be perfectly honest. i think congress has seeded it supporting authority.

they don't want to have the take tough votes come most are afraid of their own shadow. this is a particle challenge for president trump, as i've said on this couch before. you got liz cheney leading the charge on the house with dozens of lawmakers on both sides -- dozens of republican lawmakers pay lindsey graham and the senate, key defenders of president trump who are upset with him on this very issue. i just wonder, at what point do a lot of the establishment republicans who do not like controversy, do not like chaos, do not like having to ask tough questions about the president, at what point do they get so exhausted that they threw up their hands? we saw that with john shimkus, who took his name off of the list to support for president trump. >> melissa: you are all right. if i could say come in a tiny microcosm, this is what trump is him is all about. democrats and republicans, everybody in washington is united around the idea that this was the wrong move. that this is not what we do. that we don't turn and leave. >> chris: we don't turn down wars. >> melissa: hang on, hang on. there's a group of thinking out there that's like, "wait a minute? why are we fighting in all these

places?" would really happen if we left and that these people find out and decide? we are going to see conventional wisdom versus this outside thought, what really happened. >> harris: you know what? it's interesting you say that, because you did see the kurds and the syrian government have to agree on the move forward. right? you saw some -- and it was described this way and reports, kind of a tribal conversation, if you will. the kurds are a trio, too. you've got different groups. if they were to come together, with this for something that might not have happened? who knows? >> melissa: we have no idea. >> harris: but you don't know until you make the move. then the question is, is it too late, through sanctions -- because the president can definitely do that -- >> chris: he can threaten turkey's national security. >> harris: more questions than answers at this point. vice president pence will be there in the next 24 hours.

>> chris: i think turkey will establish a buffer zone no matter what. if they think it's in their interest, it secures the country, and then they will stop hopefully. >> harris: we will move on. heading into tonight's democratic debate, one of the candidates is enjoying a big surge, but could have hidden problems. we don't know. we'll take a look behind the numbers, next. ♪ day 23.

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what??? no, no no no no. battery power runs out. lifetime retirement income from tiaa doesn't. guaranteed monthly income for life. nooooo! >> jessica: >> lisa: welcome bao "outnumbered." momentum appears to be with elizabeth warren heading into tonight's debate. she leads the latest national quinnipiac poll, 30% to joe biden's 27%, with bernie sanders trailing the pair at 11%. while warren's lead falls within a margin of error, this marks the third straight time she taps the pack in the key poll. despite the momentum, "the new york times" reports that obstacles remain forever. "she lacks the support of a single governor, big city mayor come or fellow senator outside of massachusetts." jess, i will start with you.

do endorsements even matter? >> jessica: i do think that matter, but i also think it's race is very different than 2016. a congresswoman commented that it's very difficult right now because so many of our friends and partners are in the race. it's not the same thing as hillary and bernie. if you're progressive, bernie. if you're middle-of-the-road, hillary. i do think especially if we get to a contested convention, those investments will matter. especially when superdelegates come into play. it was a great piece in "the new york times," and i was that almost i would also add to it the lack of african-americans part. there's endorsement question and then also that she hasn't really been able to garner strong minority support. >> lisa: to piggyback on that, chris, joe biden, his campaign philosophy seems to really engine caps off caps off joanna. potentially losing the iowa caucus, new hampshire, south carolina's going to be a saving grace. is not a smart strategy? >> chris: he's running in all the more conservative democrat

states. according to the polls. to your, yeah. the endorsement started with president trump when he was running in his primary. it was rock-bottom. it was jeff sessions. and they soured on that relationship. i think it would be tough for joe not to win iowa and new hampshire, because the joe biden, staying above the fray as much as he can, has completely lost control of the joe biden narrative which he is trying to hold onto very strongly. if you lose iowa or lose new hampshire, that narrative -- and sanders in hampshire, as well. >> lisa: she's been up in recent polls in new hampshire, and the iowa caucus. which is a concern for biden. melissa, why do you think warren has seen this rise in the polls? >> melissa: she has been so methodical. she has run a really good campaign, a lot of people who watch her say she looks much more joyful this time around. that they would describe her as

a shrill before, which you can argue is sexist, what if it was. but he's coming across as a totally different candidate this time. i would ask jessica, if he doesn't get the support in the primary but she still wins the primary from the african-american vote, is that something you can then go out and re--campaign and get that group? were statistically, if you don't have a group in the primary, do they just not show up in the general? what does history tell us about that? >> jessica: history tells us -- and wolf wolf blitzer discusses on his show he was widely panned for it. that it would come along. i think that's racist. they will decide to the nominee is, and we will tell our core voting block that will set higher percentages than whites, "you will just have to deal with it." the question is, how badly do you want to be donald trump? that's the main motivating factor right now, which is why the electability question is number one most important thing. every sweater here for my friend antjuan seawright in

south carolina, elizabeth warren does not work well with our community. very moderate. >> lisa: how important is tonight's debate to the field? >> harris: i think every time we see them it's important. it seems like every time we see them, you got bernie sanders and elizabeth warren now moving up on joe biden. if if you are out of the number, moving up handily. he is no longer taking more than 50% of the field as if nobody else is running. i think every time we see, especially those three, it's important. with regard to the african-american vote, i would say this. there is a number of candidates who may be vying for some credibility in that lane. i think pete buttigieg, who is also struggling there. some of it is just access. see our question of, can elizabeth warren revisit if she wins the primary? of course, she can. but she is going to need people like south carolina leadership, that our friend antjuan seawright is so familiar with. james clyburn, that sort of thing. hillary clinton needed it.

we will need it. >> jessica: she had it. >> lisa: will leave it there, you're out of time. attorney general william barr warns that more values is behind many of society's problems, and secularism is to blame. reaction from both sides ahead. stay with us. was a good musical the newday va streamline refi is the reason why. it lets you shortcut the loan process and refinance with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. one call can save you $2000 every year. call my team at newday usa right now.

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>> jessica: attorney general william barr blasting what he calls "militant secularists and their attacks on religious values," saying they are contributing to increases in drug use and senseless violence. he also warned about the "progressive movement" in u.s. politics paid watch. >> the campaign to destroy the traditional moral order has coincided, and i believe, has brought with it immense suffering and misery. and yet the forces of secularism, ignoring these tragic results, press on with even greater militancy. among the militant secularists are many so-called "progressives," but where is the progress? >> jessica: i'm one of those militant secularists. [laughter] that my attorney general was speaking about there. i was concerned about a lot of what he was saying, mostly about -- we have a separation of church and state here. do you see any problem with what

he's advocating, and the way he is speaking there? >> melissa: i think he is completing two things. on one side, i do think that you need a reason to make the right choices when no one is looking for a lot of people, that's religion, that's god, that's a basis. i think in place of that you can have a strong family. it can be anything. it can be an aunt, grandmother, whatever. but it's your home base where somebody is teaching you on a day-to-day basis, what is right, what its wrong, wide support to do the right thing even when no one is looking and he will suffer the consequences. why we are community the customer together. that can be family, that can be religion. in some cases, it's neither, and that may be weary of seeing the problem. i don't think blaming secularism is fair, because it's also a victim of family. i don't want to say that in the religious sense, that it's a man and woman and child.

this whole moral base where you have a foundation in the north star and you know someone -- >> jessica: it community. >> melissa: and you know someone would be disappointed in you if you did the long, growing thing. >> chris: family had a religious base for 4,000 years. if you look at the town hall democrats just had on lgbt, the separation of church and state was out the window. to condemn them for not following progressive values can make it was certainly okay. then pete buttigieg came in and said, "that's not okay, you also target mosques." i thought this was a christian country but a parent leads a secular state liberal-run country according to the entire democratic state. >> jessica: it's a multifaith country. >> melissa: is a country where you can the way you please. >> lisa: part of what i think he is saying is that tolerance goes in a bunch of different directions, and often the left tends to be the last dominic least tolerant but they reach tolerance. we saw that with beto o'rourke's

comments on trying to remove tax-exempt status for churches and groups they don't share his view on marriage. that's an intolerant position to have, but at the same time he's trying to preach tolerance. statistically, among a lot of other researchers, they show religious people to have to be happier, they spend more time with other organizations. that's just facts, it statistics. i think sometimes when people are missing those elements from their life, they fill it with things that are not good. whether it's -- >> jessica: there is no evidence of that. the united states attorney general said that people who are not religious are more likely to be violent and to be drug users. >> chris: they are lacking a moral base. >> jessica: as melissa said very eloquently come he can get morality from a lot of places, including our teachers, other places in your community. >> harris: i want to put this back on you for a second, jessica. what is the argument here? because melissa laid out the two lanes. i would add a third. are you saying this messenger shouldn't be giving that message because of separation of church

and state? yet, we have presidents in our history and other leaders in our history saying "god bless america," and already sort of prophesy's income if you will come in their lingo about who we are as a nation. >> jessica: that is very different than talking down to and use and, frankly, offensive troops against people who don't adhere to his, first of all, catholic world view. >> chris: what is offensive about god? >> jessica: what is offensive is someone telling me that i am lesser van and that i have a lower sense of morals and ethics because i'm not a religious person. that is implicitly offensive. that's not how the united states works, first of all. it sounded a lot like -- we've got to go. all right, they are not here to defend themselves. nba star lebron james taking heat for his comments on houston rockets gm treats. we will tell you what he says, next. ♪ biopharmaceutical researchers.

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>> we all do have freedom of speech, but at times there are ramifications for the negative that can happen when you are not thinking about others. and you only think about yourself. i don't want to get into a war of words or a feud with daryl morey, but i believe he was not educated on the situation at hand. >> melissa: lebron james weighing in on -- where my going over here? the houston rockets gm tweet supporting pro-democracy testers in hong kong. he clarified his statement, saying he was talking about the ramifications, not the substance of the treat. adding this. "my team and this league just went through a difficult week. i think people need to understand what a treat or a statement can do to others, and i believe nobody stopped and considered what would happen." could have waited a week to send

it." the "usa today" op-ed blasting james with the title, "lebron james determines values he espoused in most disgraceful moment of career." [sigh] [were talking about this on the break. i want to steal your point but instead it will give you credit. he has a lot of endorsement deals in china. lebron james does. he sells a lot of stuff, as do many players. this, to them, thinking about money, maybe they are slower to the trigger on twitter than they would be if they didn't have a financial interest, which is normal. >> chris: he's talking about ramifications. the impact on him and his colleagues make money selling sneakers, selling their image in a totalitarian state. i'm glad he's down to do business with china, but not south carolina. it's not good for the nva. have to remember that they sell a product that is unique. there is no other nba that can compete. if they have a little bit of power here, they are like some other countries deeply vested in

china. they make their money here and they can abroad. this got power and they should use it. >> melissa: it's interesting, because in some ways -- i've heard other people say this could be the venue where the group that actually has the power to impact change. if the nba wasn't in china, you could see a real chinese revolts. they may actually make change, ironically. >> jessica: absolutely. yao ming is such a pivotal figure. he was the most famous chinese basketball player. there is huge potential to be here. watching that press conference with that reporter got shut down, which i thought was terrible, but i was looking at james harden and russell westbrook sitting there with this look on their faces pair that some of their paid to do, to comment on this. for those that want to come i'm with you. i hope they do a better job than james does, steph curry, steve kerr. that some of their paid to do. >> melissa: should they be treating? speaker you've heard a lot of

athletes talk about police brutality, cops shooting a professor in the middle of the street and clothing them. >> melissa: i think we solved that! we will be back here tomorrow. thanks to chris bedford. here's harris. >> harris: to begin with breaking news. this is felicity huffman, actress. she has reporting today for sentencing to the federal correctional institution of dublin, california. so she is about to do her 14 day stint for the admission scandal that she was part of, and the charges she was found guilty of. she's prepared to serve the term of imprisonment that the judge ordered, as part of the punishment she imposed for huffman's action. she will be serving the remainder of her sentence, with conditions including 1250 hours of community service, once she is released from prison. this is happening now, and as you know there are many other parents caught up in that. we are seeing those other cases