>> martha: that is the story of tuesday october 15th 2019 but is always the story goes on and we will see you back here tomorrow night a at 7:00. tucker carlson takes over now. good night, everybody. these musical >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." 30 years ago is pretty fast. 30 years ago was the fall of 1989 believe it or not. seems like yesterday. at the time, if you can remember, america seemed unbeatable. our chief rival, the soviet union, had just collapsed. our economy and ability strength dwarf those of every nation on the planet. america and 1989 was the uncontested leader of the world. free and otherwise. about three decades later, that advantage has evaporated completely. instead of expanding and solidifying power, we have wasted it and as a result we are now in the race of our lives against the country that in 1989

was so poor that many of its people cannot afford meat or electricity. china. at this rate, china will beat us. so the question is, how did america fall so far so fast? the answer is simple. bad leadership. the people who benefited the most from this country cared about it the least. they were also the quickest to sell it out to foreign powers for profit. that's obvious now thanks to people like lebron james. he of course is one of the most famous athletes in history but he started off at the very bottom. he was born to an impoverished 16-year-old mother in akron, ohio. you never went to college. yet, thanks to hard work and remarkable skill, james' endorsement income alone now exceeds $15 million per year. if there's anyone whose life is a tribute to america, to its decency, to its endless opportunity, it is lebron james. in return, he showers america with contempt. just yesterday he was asked to

comment on the nba executive who issued a one line statement in support of democracy in hong kong. here's how he responded. speak i don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with darrell but i believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand and he spoke and so many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually, so just be careful what we tweet and what we say and what we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too. >> tucker: right. so freedom is speech is just fine as long as you don't do anything crazy with it like, i don't know, obliquely criticize the chinese communist party. no. that's out-of-bounds. it might harm people spiritually. it also might potentially make lebron james slightly less rich and of course that's the real problem. do you think we are being

unfair? think that's an unfair interpretation of what you decide? well according to espn, lebron james has been adamant in his defense of chinese fascism. even off-camera. watch this. >> adam silver got up and address the players and lebron james, got up and spoke and said what are we doing here? it darrell maurice these statements, you know that if a player made the same statements and caused more ramifications fr the league, there would be some sort of legal course or repercussions but the players would have to pay. potentially this tweet could cost the nba hundreds of millions of dollars which could come out of the players pockets. that's the double standard that was being addressed in that meeting. you and in in other words, any american who questions china ought to be punished. that's lebron james' view. that's what he's demanding, in fact. the chinese broom must not be criticized and yet, there is a very different standard that

changed the mike james holds for his own country and his own president. watch this. >> he divides. you want to talk to them? no. i would sit across from barack obama though. >> tucker: at the american president he's talking to. well, if you read his twitter fee, he says, injustice everywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. our lives begin to end of the day we become silent about things that matter. okay well, obviously things that matter does not include throwing muslims in concentration camps in china or the oppression of more than a billion people in china. so what does matter to lebron james and his friends and our ruling class? the first thing they care about his popularity and that's why they are delighted to weigh in politically when it's fashionable in west los angeles, bashing the administration or protesting the national anthem or re-tweeting in support transgender rights or whatever. their friends call them brave when they do this, which is one indication it's not bravery, it's in infirmary, which is the

opposite. the other thing that james and the rest care about is money. it when you criticize beijing, it may cost you money. here's a perfect example here lebron james is both starring in and upcoming film calling space jim two. the movie is expected to do business big business in china if it is released there. james can't risk that. west hollywood made the same decision many years ago. it is used to criticize the dictatorship or of china or took the side of tibet. remember richard gere? whatever happened to him? not anymore. in fact, that's unimaginable. you can imagine a major hollywood picture taking the side of tibet or hong kong or the dalai lama or human rights in china, the world's largest country. no. instead, the studio is now groveled for chinese funding. and if china appears in films at all, it's always in a positive portrayal. meanwhile, russia, which is a

completely irrelevant country most of the time, is subverting our democracy. that's what they tell us. this is what corruption looks like. dave's fortnight of barstool sports will be weighing in on all of this but first, author of the book republicans by sneakers to, join us tonight. clay, thanks so much for coming on. so i mean i don't think anyone would have a problem is sports figures wanted to stand to saddle politics but james is not wildly political or anything but he does regularly weigh in on american politics, so do many of them, but the idea of criticizing the fascist government in china is over the line. how does this work? >> martha: i think you nailed it. it's all about money. thanks for having me on. first, lebron james is one of the biggest hypocrites and all of sports. if you decided to stay out of politics, if the nba had decided

to saddle politics, they could have dominated by just selling their overall brand of basketball to a market that loves basketball but the nba decided that wasn't good enough to be basketball. they had to be a world basketball league and as part of that, they hold their all-star game out of charlotte, north carolina, out of the transgender bathroom bill, they took away the word owner, and replaced it with the word governor because they decided it was racially insensitive, and that was a conversation that came out of lebron james' barbershop show and so this comment to me, is a major shot across the dial of the nba and i think you hit on something that is really important. back in 1997, 20 years ago, when we started taking our movies to china, they were saying okay, you can play the movie here, but we have to take out 2 minutes, we don't want to offend people inside china, we are going to allow our censorship to play here. note what's going on with this darrell mori tweet. china is not saying to the nba

hay, played by our rules inside the country, they are saying we expect our rules, which govern our country, to also go outside the border of the country, and that is masses and i think it wise to the credit of the nba. they manage to do something that is almost impossible. if they got aoc and ted cruz to china joint letter saying the nba was intolerable the way to respond in which at least is an element of bipartisanship. that's about the nda's position was. >> tucker: but it does seem like we are importing chinese political values into this country being imposed on us by the people in charge. china is governed not simply by force, they do still kill their political dissidents there and sell their organs, but most of the time it's governed by very sophisticated text dominated system of social credit. he stepped out of line, you are punished. why shouldn't we be terrified of something like that coming here? >> we should be and i think

that's why battles like these are so important. lebron james try to stay on more than an athlete. he tried to say i'm not going to shut up and dribble. that was his market, that's what he's been trying to sell for a long time. he tried to brand himself as the modern-day muhammad ali. what you talked about, the necessity for bravery, everything is written in something, money, life, something, what lebron james is trying to do is speak out when there is no cost whatsoever. he can call donald trump a bomb, he can refuse to meet with him, but yet, he will go to communist china and he will dial, he will genuflect at the altar of the chinese communist government, and that is such an inherent hypocrisy. if you wanted to be muhammad ali, muhammad ali said i got no quarrel with the vietcong. he went to battle. he raised his title. he risked his life and liberty in the united states to fight for something he believed in. lebron james had an opportunity here and this is what so disappointing to me. if you want to be political, lebron james last night had an

opportunity to say you know what, i'm an american, i came from nothing, i one day might be a billionaire, that's because america embraces liberty, we embrace human rights, we embrace freedom of religion, freedom of speech, all these things, and i believe that all of the world, including 1.4 billion people in china, should have the exact same rights that i had as a kid growing up in akron, ohio. he didn't say that though. >> tucker: the left does not get credit for being as greedy as they are. it's clinton and obama, all of them, bernie sanders, they agreed heads. travis, great to see you tonight. thank you. senator josh hawley of missouri just returned a few years ago from his visit to hong kong for the night he tweeted this about lebron james. quote, "having just been in hong kong on the streets and with the protesters, this kind of garbage is hard to take. lebron, are you educated on the situation? why don't you go to hong kong? why don't you meet the people are risking their lives for their mostly basic liberties?

something people could have been harmed by daryl morey expressing contempt for democracy? news flash. people are being harmed right now in hong kong by china, by the communist party the nba so eager to appease. it" he joins us in studio's amazingly tonight. senator, thanks so much for coming on. you went to hong kong. what did you see there, how did it change your view? >> i went and i saw the protest and i said i don't want to be cooped up in some hotel that i want to go out to the streets. we spent hours on the tweets on what would have been sunday night hong kong time and in what turned out to be the biggest area protest that night. i saw the police, i saw them out in force with a riot gear, establishing parameters, i saw the protesters, it's really remarkable. the number of protesters, and income a think about this. from one of the early protest, this is a city of half a million people, 2 million people in the streets. this is a protest movement that

spans class divides, it spans all the people of hong kong united here standing up to communist china, standing up to beijing, and they are just desperate to preserve their basic liberties. see when they are standing up against one of the most powerful governments in the world and enn government. i wonder what they make some of the richest people in our country taking the side of the chinese government. >> i was out with protest leaders and i met with protest leaders on the members of the movement and they just don't understand it. they say china is trying to censor the nba, trying to impose their coercive tactics through the nba, they are trying to course americans through the nba and through apple, frankly, and they said listen, you can expect more of the same. this is how beijing operates. they use their commercial advantage to cores, to tighten the screws, and they are amazed that the nba is going along with it, as am i. i'm amazed and i'm sickened by it. >> tucker: it's not just the

nba. you pointed this out repeatedly. it's a whole layer of america multinationals and executives and actors and professional athletes. how did we get here? >> we got here by these companies, these multinational companies, caring more about making a buck and being willing to sell out. their basic value as americans -- they would rather appease the chinese communist party to get access to china's market than they would to stand up for basic liberties and that shouldn't be controversial. we are talking about controversial stuff here. to hear lebron and others say this is controversial socially, this is uncontroversial. we are talking about basic freedom of speech, basic freedom of seville rights, this is something all americans agree on and all free people everywhere agree on and guess what? the people of hong kong have been guaranteed these rates by beijing. that's part of the deal. it's beijing who is trying to take them away now. doing so you served in the united states senate, you have a tactile sense of people's views there, what you think the

breakdown is in the senate? >> i don't think most people understand how urgent the situation is in hong kong. they don't realize that beijing is escalating. what beijing is doing is progressively taking away -- now they are basically using martial law. the chief executive there has just invoked emergency powers which allows her to suspend right to protest, allows her to say what you can and cannot wear on the streets, this talk of imposing a curfew, all of this without any legislative oversight. they are becoming the police state. it's happening right now and they need this country and the international community to stand up and say hold on, we are not going to roll over. >> tucker: do you think your colleagues and a son and understand that? >> i don't think most do. i don't think ivan understood the urgency of the situation so i'm going to be talking to my colleagues and say the situation is pressing and readily, if we don't take a stand here, if china is able to dominate hong kong, they will dominate her taiwan, they will y will dominate us. let's not lose sight of the fact that they've already ripped off

our jobs and our technology. if they could shut us out of asia, they would absolutely do it. >> tucker: senator, things are coming on tonight. well in the middle of the latest lebron james controversy, barstool sports is now selling this t-shirt. chairman james. dave portnoy found a bar stool. he is now an international bra brand. now he joins us tonight. >> i'm not to be holding to china, tucker, but i'm to be honest, i'm one of the guys they guaranteed me and i may fall in line like everybody else. stealing what you admit it if you do that though? >> that's a thing. that's what drives me insane with all of these people. you have to admit it. if they said hey, we're going to have a billion people by t-shirts, i will go out and put my hand up and be like hey, put money in my pocket. i don't agree with what they're doing. that's what drives me insane.

the hypocrisy. lebron, what are you talking about? it's you wanting to be a billionaire. that's it. end of story. >> tucker: it is a little much to lecture the rest of us in this country about her feelings while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that the chinese government, which is pretty disgusting, has done anything wrong, ever. why do that? why not just be quiet about all politics? >> i don't like lebron james. i think he's a hypocrite and i voice about. when i saw what he tweeted out, i ran to my computer. i couldn't believe he said it. just keep your mouth shut. how tone -- you have to be? when you put the tweets that he has in his past together, it doesn't matter, basic human rights and then he says the exact opposite. you can't talk. some issues you have to be quiet. it like at this moment -- i talked to them the whole time here he is a hypocrite, he will say people go to l.a. and they don't care about basketball, that's why they -- he's a hypocrite.

he doesn't like to much pressure yet he named his kid lebron james jr. i mean, everything he says is hypocritical. this may be the issue where people finally wake up because like you said, it doesn't matter what side of the isle you were on, doesn't matter. everybody agrees this is about basic decency and you care more about your money and becoming adult billionaire. that's it. >> tucker: what about his handlers at nike? clearly he is taking ownership of them, no? >> here's what i think happen. i don't think he's ever been told no and his life so when he tweeted that out and he said hey, king, the haters don't like this, you may want to just -- their haters though. they will never tell him he did anything wrong. it's like when you're the chevy at a shape heavy champ heavyweight champion of the world. i guarantee you they phrases like we are the crazy ones. like don't worry about it, some people just get rough. i guarantee you he has a huge

pseudo-apology still coming. he has to. >> tucker: but it's fake. >> everything about him is fake. he just showed his true colors. how can anybody come with everything going on, he blames on daryl morey? this is a real issue. this is really human rights violations going on and he is tweeting well, you made me uncomfortable. i didn't get a good night sleep. it's crazy. it's crazy. >> tucker: most people, as you pointed out, are selling t-shirts in china, you are selling t-shirts against renegade how many have you sold? >> a lot. donald trump jr. read tweeted this the second we put the shirt on sale so that certainly helps. he's becoming like a barstool super fan which is great. we sold a lot. i think we are at about 3,000 of these were sold pretty quickly. by the way, again, i'm going to be fair, we actually had an anti-china and pro-china t-shirt in the same blog. blue states, red states, they both buy shirts. it's communist, democrats, they both buy shirts.

we will sell them to whoever is buying. >> tucker: and you're honest about it. the last honest man and digital media, and dave portnoy of barstool sports for a great see you tonight. well as soon as russia went away it was replaced by ukraine and once that scannell passes it will be replaced by something else. or even some on the left are suggesting the fix is in and there's some kai nacua times going on against the president they don't like. how bad is that for them to admit that? ♪ what are you doing back there, junior?

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finally speaking in public. the man at the heart of ukraine candle appeared on "good morning america" over on abc today to defend his service on the board of charisma and to deny allegations of corruption. lisa boothe is following that closely. she joins us tonight. so good to see you lisa. it why hunter biden say? >> so i'm glad amy roback at least part of the point that what helen hunter biden had no relevant experiments to serve on burisma, he didn't have experience in ukraine, he didn't have the dock on a national gas, and this is what he responded with. because you didn't have an extensive knowledge about natural gas or ukraine itself. >> no but i think that i had as much knowledge as anyone else who was on the board. >> in the list you gave me the reasons why you are on the board, you did not list the fact that you are the son of the vice president. >> i think that it is impossible for me to be on any of the boards you just mentioned without saying on the son of the

vice president of the united states. >> so tucker, later in the interview, he more illicitly admitted that he probably wouldn't be on the board if it weren't for his last name, biden. two things to point out about ukraine as well. look, vice president biden was the point person on ukraine and around the same time that hunter joined the board, joe biden had gone to ukraine to encourage them to increase our natural gas production. burisma is a natural gas company so that's a little bit suspicious as well but however, hunter biden in the interview maintained the fact that nothing unethical happened however, he said maybe it was a mistake to join it. >> in retrospect, -- >> you never thought it might now look right? >> i'm a human. you know what? did i make a mistake? maybe in the greater scheme of things, yes. but did i make a mistake based on ethical lapse? absolutely not. >> he was also asked about

china. peter schweizer and reported extensively about the trip to hunter biden took with joe biden in 2013. air force two to china with his dad and left them two weeks later he started a chinese backed private equity fund and n introduced his dad to jonathan lee who is now the ceo of the company. he was asked about china and this is what he said. >> we saw you in those photos getting off of the air force to with your daughter, with your father -- >> i went there because my daughter was on the trip. >> did you talk about china or your deal with china? a 12 hour flight over, that never came up? speak up silly now. >> i think most reasonable people do not believe the fact that this wasn't discussed on a 12 hour flight back from china so i think the interview actually raises more questions then adds additional suspicion then there previously was. >> $50,000 is a lot for someone

who with no relevant experience. it was great to see you tonight, lisa. thank you. as soon as the russia hoax came to its end and was buried, ukraine emerged out of nowhere to replace it. the very same people who brought national politics to a whole for two years insisted that this time the threat to national security was imminent and completely real. >> what the president did on the call with the president of ukraine seriously could undermine our national security. >> there was a clear national security threat involved here. >> putting his own personal and clinical interest ahead of the national security of our country. >> compromises national security for his own personal political gain. >> this is about the rule of law. this is about national security. this is about patriotism. >> this is an extremely urgent

matter that our national security is threatened. >> it's just not believable this time. even some on the left are conceding that appeared recently, matt type b, who in fact wrote a whole book attacking this, described washington's treatment of trump as a permanent coup by the establishment saying as much as i don't look so much like going after him, this is scary. fox news senior political analyst, good to see you. it does seem significant that someone who has taken the time to right a book attacking donald trump would pause and say my view of him remains unchanged but holy smokes, it's supposed to be a democracy and is not functioning as one. >> i think we have a man on the left ear who has no use for donald trump but he equally has no use for the u.s. intelligence community of whom has long been deeply distrustful. though he sees the signs and

symptoms of intelligence community involvement first and the russia hoax or the russia conspiracy that turned out not to be a hoax, and i think you see some of the same footprints here and it's understandable why he would. >> tucker: i'm temperamentally aligns to give him the benefit of the doubt. i grew up with people who worked in a business, i know a lot of good people, but it does -- you can see why decent people would start to get a little paranoid when people like john bright and emerge as political opponents. >> right because former intelligence officials have a tendency to be apolitical, at least outwardly. obviously they have personal sympathies one way or the other. we have really come in our time, seen former intelligence officials take sides in political controversies. and to the extent to which john brennan and others, including even as good a man is mike hayden, doing so, is extremely unusual and i think it speaks of something that reaches back as well into the current

crop of intelligence officials who again the president of a citizen trust and i could see why he would not. >> tucker: yes. i think it's reckless. i have to ask you about something that just breaking now. applying the speaker of the house is delaying a vote on impeachment. the white house it has mandate case that if you are going to make a case for impeachment, vote on it, and now she is saying they are not going to. why do you think it is? >> i can frankly think of a good reason from her perspective why she would hold a vote. it exposes vulnerable democrats who represent trump districts that he carried two of those that constituents in those districts may not like it all. this way, she gets all of the fruits of this particular investigation that she announced going on and none of the downside. and they are conducting a very unusual investigation. he looked back to the nixon impeachment, which is the most widely insert accepted impeachment correlates had come of the proceedings were very

balanced, very dry, republicansd their -- nixon had lawyers involved in the process in the house, none of that is happening here. this is all being done behind closed doors, it is being done with the republicans permitted to attend and asked questions would not call witnesses, and what happens is the witness is come, they appear, and then select portions of their testimony and is leaked and they are creating the impression you would expect leaks from the outset of the aisle took create and it's working like crazy. look at what happened. impeachment was not minority support in this country since ukraine has come along. this support has begun to build and in some holes in it now -- impeachment and removal enjoys the reward majority of support. it's a very effective thing that her and her colleagues have

going on in the house the house. >> tucker: ricky, great to see you. thank you. while road and pharaoh's new book, as you know, exposes the new ways nbc works to protect harvey weinstein. one of the channels on anchors is now calling out the network for that. for that. break. ♪ e than ever. the newday va streamline refi is the reason why. it lets you shortcut the loan process and refinance with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. one call can save you $2000 every year. call my team at newday usa right now.

>> tucker: experts from road in pharaoh's new book has exposed the lengths to which nbc news went in order to protect their friend harvey once ran over a long period of time. the president of nbc news often strongly, vigorously deny those allegations but of course, you've got to. he was desperately trying to keep his job. most of nbc would pretend to believe often times denials but one wallets. in a segment on his show last night which airs opposite hours are 8:00, chris hayes says his own boss and his claims were not credible. watch this. >> days maintained since his departure, the weinstein story was never broadcast because it lacked sufficient on the record in sourcing even after nbc supported his assignment for

several months. one thing is indisputable though. running for pharaoh walked out of nbc news after working on the weinstein story and within two months, publish an incredible article that not only one backup elixir but helped trigger a massive social and cultural reckoning that continues to hold this day. it is the kind of journalism you want to do as a journalist and everyone who works in this business should want to facilitate. the path of least resistance is always there docketing seductively with an entirely plausible cover story. you have bigger fish to fry. the story isn't ready. but of course it's the very ease of that past that makes it the enemy the kind of work that we as journalists are supposed to do to do. >> tucker: the enemy of the work that we as journalists are supposed to do? that's what he just said. wow. we give msnbc a lot of grief on the show and they deserve it but we are also honest and we are happy to give them credit when they deserve it too and tonight

they do. chris hayes deserves credit. it takes bravery to defy someone who can fire you. by the way, it's an ominous sign for no often hind end and he lacked. if grace hayes is going out for you tv, you are in trouble. while nbc executives were the only one protecting harvey weinstein. hillary clinton intervenes on harvey weinstein's behalf and utterly expressed concerns about pharaoh's reporting, trying to push pharaoh off of the story. tammy bruce hosts get tammy bruce on fox nation and she joins us tonight. probably the only person in america who is not surprised at this. even i, cynical as i am, read this and thought that i can't believe hillary did this but i bet you were shocked. >> i was not and i've been speaking with you on occasion and other media that i do, my radio program, that it was hillary's protection that allowed harvey weinstein to operate as widely and as freely as he did. ronan farrow said that he was

referred to or at least -- it's not like they were just acquaintances who needed parties. yes, he would raise money for her, but he was very involved in the number of different dynamics and he was seen with her, they were considered kind of bodies in a certain way. at one point, when the me too movement started, one actress had noted that she had tried to tell hillary to stop having fund-raisers with harvey weinstein because he was about it, bad man, and that was ignored. so now you have ronan farrow, and we talk about respecting chris hayes, ronan farrow has a great book with a lot of different details, of course these are assertions and allegations and many people are denying what he's asserting, but the fact is he didn't need to bring up the fact that hillary tried to intervene and quash this investigation, if you will. but he did so anyway because it was the right thing to do but he also said it was a punch in the

gut when this happened and we had that quite often. marianne williamson, shocked at how the left turned on her. martina nerve out to lobo when she came out and said look, it's not fair for transgendered women to compete in sports against women. she came under fire for that. she wrote a blog post saying she effectively was shocked and it has since apologized and is trying to get back. she had to d do the ritual apology. and i'll course, ronan farrow. there's a point where if you are a dolls and end swimming with other animals and they kind of resemble you but you don't take a close look, you might want to take a close look because maybe they are a bunch of sharks. you don't want to be surprised in the end when it really matters. so none of this is surprising but it does tell you -- he said it is the power protecting power. i would disagree. i would say that it is like defending like. it is the nature of those in a certain position and is having

each of them having a button that they can threaten the other one with and then whether it's in ronan's assertion that it was matt lauer, that nbc was threatened by weinstein, that he had the goods on matt lauer so you better stop this ronan farrow reported. that's the kind of thing, when everybody is doing something wrong and something may be kind of awful, that they can use that as a bargaining chip. let me say come in the clinton administration, that behavior, hillary being an enabler and a defender, probably set the tone for an entire generation. >> tucker: i think it did. if she had been elected, we never would've heard any of this. >> so congratulations to both of those two young men. it's doing good to see you tammy. thank you for it while you're getting the picture by now. as an awful lot going on at nbc. someone who knows a lot about what happens in nbc's megyn kelly works there, tomorrow she's making her first

can appear in since she the network. we hope you'll watch tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. well, and a divided america, we need more men like mike rowe. more than ever, he's got a book coming out and drains us to talk about it. we are proud to have him after the break. plus, a top airliner just changed his policies to accommodate people of the new gender, something called gender acts. we will tell you what's happening next. ♪

>> tucker: we want to bring in updated from our neighbor to the north, canada. until this month, crew members on air canada made the pernicious assumption that passengers were either male or female. they believe their biology classes. they address them as ladies and

gentlemen accordingly. it turns out that was oppressive so now, air canada is using the term everybody in order to ensure an inclusive space for everyone, including those who identify with gender x." so free speech and free religion may be vanishing in canada and ruled by a smog black face wearing hypocrite but at least at least it's welcoming out of gender x. we thought you would want to know. well, if there is any time in american history that we could use more men like our next guest, it is it right now mike rowe is one of our favorite guests on the show. he has a brand-new book out called the way i heard it and we are happy to have them on tonight. mike rowe, great to see you. >> you flatter me, sir. thank you. >> tucker: it's true actually. the way i heard it, what is that mean? >> well, i've been sitting here for the last 45 minutes and i'm watching your show and i'm looking at lebron james and

i'm thinking the way he heard it, china is not so bad. i'm looking at chris hayes and the way he heard it, his employer might have swung and missed and the way the canadians just heard it, well, it was not being inclusive enough and i guess maybe when i started writing this podcast called the way i heard it three weeks ago, the last thing i want to do is make more trouble or break any more eggs. i'm a guy, i've got some opinions, and for whatever reason, people have invited me to share them, so i just started prefacing everything i said with look, i'm no expert but the way i heard it, lebron james kind of screwed the pooch on that one. so it's a bad look. so i guess -- i mean in general, paul harvey inspired me to write a podcast because he did such a terrific job years ago with the rest of the story. that's what my podcast is done

and so somebody said you should take some of your favorite stories from the podcast and put them in a book, which i did. then my mother read it and she said michael, this is a very lazy way to write a book. you should intersperse these true stories of famous people that you've never met with true stories about your own miss spent youth that in some way rhymes with the aforementioned telling so i said mom, you've never steered my around. she is a best-selling book on "the new york times" list. she asked about you all the time. the point is, this book, echo's autobiography, biography, back-and-forth, back-and-forth. part mystery, her memoir. it's an accident on the more but a good-natured look at some fascinating people i've never met but like pretend i know. >> tucker: but you wrote it. you got famous doing the show about blue-collar jobs, then you do a podcast and you actually write the podcast yourself. it's not just living it like

some of us do, and then you wrote this book. i mean, at what point -- i admire that, let me say. but did you ever expect that you would turn into a writer? >> well, i've been writing all my life i just never thought i would publish it because honestly i'm just afraid i did screw up my favorite hobbies so i never really did anything except write letters and mail them to friends and my mother has been writing the letters her whole life and suddenly all of her letters got published and then i'm thinking well, maybe i should do something too. honestly though i've never thought of myself as a writer's writer. i write because it's one of the few things left in my life that truly compresses time if that makes sense. you're sitting on the tarmac and you're flying to jfk, you open the laptop, and you start to write a story and then you look at the annual landing and where did the time go? so i always wrote because it did

that to the space time continuum. the crazy thing with this podcast, we've done 150 episodes and a year ago, my producer called me and said mike, you've got 110 million downloads. don't stop doing it. and then of course my hobby turned into a job and now here is to promoting a book with the same title but i'm not complaining because the way i heard it, i'm pretty lucky. >> tucker: one of the only people left in america, who men and women, liberals and conservatives, all like. mike rowe. i hope it stays that way. give the universal donor. get old blood type. thank you. elizabeth warren is a stereo torah as well. she's an american indian peered she was fired for being pregnant. she's a victim of sexual harassment. it is any of this actually true? she's the victim of every story. her latest story after the break. ♪

>> tucker: elizabeth warren is currently a creative person. instead of paying bribes to a sandy, she simply makes up stories. our latest edition of tall tales with elizabeth warren tonight, to get a jaw at harvard law, she claimed to be a person of color. she said she was fired from a teaching job when she was pregnant and now a "washington post" story this morning describes how warren once eulogized a dead colleague by telling his grieving children that the man had sexually harassed her by literally chasing her around in circles in his office. one problem, the man she accused of chasing her? he was a polio victim. he couldn't chase anybody. howie carr is a radio host and author of the book what really happened. he joins us tonight. probably not surprised, holly, by this latest roi, would think. >> it seems to be a recurring theme. he is only a polio victim.

for a while in the early 50s, he was in an iron lung. he never your fully regained the use of his limbs. he hobbled around on a walker, he smoked lucky strikes, he was a wheezing -- he was a law professor when she became at the university of houston when she first became a law professor. a baby law professor, as she likes to put it. so when he died in 1997, she went to the wake, or the memorial service, and eulogized him and talked about this funny incident once when he chased her around the desk. he liked her. he found her attractive. the 20 years past, she's a senator and the need to movement starts, meet the press says to these female senators, and you have a need to story? if you have a need to story you can come on and meet the press.

so suddenly the tall tale evolves from this is avuncular professor eugene smith, mr. chips, he becomes a harvey weinstein creditor and she says he was chasing her around and he longed for her and she balled up her fist and was getting ready to punch in and she finally escaped after several times around the desk, she ran out of the office and came back to her office and was shaking and she wore brown afterwards. it's just another story, just like -- and then her defense is always well, you know, maybe the story changed a little bit but she is involved and you know what? women have been chased around a desk just like some women were fired for being pregnant. maybe i wasn't fired for being pregnant but you tell your story to those terrible people who say i'm lying. it why can't i be an american

indian too? i have high cheekbones. this is the way she is operating. i don't know who she's convincing with these stories. i assume we haven't heard the last one either. he >> tucker: a kind of think it's our fault. it's america's fault. when you reward people for victimhood, they pretend to be victims. why wouldn't they? i mean she was responding to incentives that were in front of her. >> all of her stories, she's a victim. the other front runner, he talks his tall tales, joe biden, but he's always a walter mitty-esque superhero. that's the way of the superstar. >> tucker: it's so deep, actually, what you just said that i hope you will come back and unpack that but that's really smart. howie carr, great to see you tonight. thank you. well that's it for us tonight. we are out of time. it's amazing how fast it went great as a metaphor for you. tune in every night, atm, including tomorrow night, where we will remain, as always, the

sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. good night from washington. still the nation's capital. guess what's next? we will give you three guesses. beginning at 9:00 p.m. live from new york, our friend sean hannity takes the reins. ♪ >> sean: welcome to hannity. we start with a massive fox news alert. breaking just moments ago, house speaker nancy pelosi has announced that she will not hold a vote to officially authorize an impeachment inquiry against president trump. guess why? she doesn't have the votes. according to politico, the idea has been met with anxiety among some of those battleground democrats. look at your screen. look at your state. these are all the democrats in districts that donald trump wanted in 2016. politics come into play with us impeachment fantasy of democrats? those are the lawmakers who, by the way, will make or