boris johnson sica brexit delay even if his deal passes. the current deadline october 31st. the primacy wants to leave the eu by then. this vote will force the government to request another extension. we will be all over this tomorrow. >> we are outside with some amazing fans. ♪ >> do i want brexit? look at the debate. should i stay or should i go? i am confused role the ominous drumbeat. ♪ >> now is the time, mister speaker, to get this done. >> we are not prepared to sit out the future and we will not back the sellout deal. >> if given the option, the people who reject this bad deal and choose to remain in the european union. >> during the referendum this

parliament on their decision. today is the day to deliver on that promise. >> apparently today is not the day. neil: excuse me if i talk with a british accent. i have been funneling this the entire evening. you are looking live at the british parliament. a rare saturday session where the fight is unfolding and boris johnson is scrambling to get this done but it is not going to happen today. taking a page from donald from where he's lobbying the labour party's efforts who represent districts that voted overwhelmingly for brexit. very similar to what donald trump did when targeting vulnerable democrats in district he won. it comes down to this. with the push off today the prime minister needs 322 back a brexit deal that broke away from him, a deal the calls for

britain breaking away from the west of the european union. still a few dozen veterans. outside parliament thousands of protesters who want to remain part of the union are hoping the deal dies as the world is watching. today, the foxbusiness network at apsley webster in the middle of it all. carley: that is a good question. a lot of people walking around here outside parliament saying now what? inside it is confusing. this amendment passed, and delays boris johnson's deal even if it is approved, boris johnson saying what is the point? the vote has been voided. we understand the prime minister will try to bring it back early next week with all the legislation needed. he says he will have it delivered by the end of october, deadline of october 31st but he is required to go to the eu and say i need a delay. today boris johnson says not going to do it. i have a feeling if he sticks to

that it could end up in the courts but earlier in the day as he was pitching his plan he said we have been doing this too long. it has been a debilitating feud and it is time to get this done and get out of europe. take a listen. >> let's go for a deal that can heal this country and express our legitimate desire the deepest possible friendship and partnership with our neighbors, a deal that allows us to create a shared destiny with them and also allows us to express our confidence in our own democratic institutions. carley: not everybody agrees. the opposition labour party saying jeremy corbin, leader of the labor party saying this is the same deal as teresa may tried 3 times to get through and she failed. take a listen.

>> mister speaker, i totally understand the frustration and fatigue across the country and in this house but we simply cannot vote for a deal that is worse than the one house rejected three times. carley: to your question where do we stand? there's a lot of head scratching, no vote on boris johnson's plan today. downing street will put out a statement later on saying what the prime minister expect to do but the fact he said to the speaker of the house and lawmakers i'm not going to ask for a delay puts us in an interesting situation for those following this, seeing how far he will take it. the fear for lawmakers is no deal clean break which others do support. with everything that is brexit confusion rules. back to you, austin powers. neil: i think my british accent is almost as good as yours,

maybe not. here is what it comes down to. britain is not being cool anymore when you remove the impediments and other issues that the people who brought you the beatles do not need lectures from the french who put eggs on everything. think about that. i don't know why they do that. joe borelli, and republican strategist and the sign you heard from catalina. they put eggs on everything. >> i didn't mean to side. sorry about the drama. they have never been 100% in -- they never played ball from the beginning, they had their pound so everyone knew there would be

drama. it is going to mess with these guys. >> we expected these roadblocks including this measure to effectively and. >> the fact they were voting on the agreement that the beginning of the rebate with the headline saying this isn't going to happen. the fact that you have a buffer. neil: it was a close vote. before we vote on it it was very close that britain might get this. >> i am surprised. it was not the same deal as teresa may on a significant question. the fact that boris made a concession to exit its own deal with a significant possession.

today on the table, as far as the deal we should be -- i can't wait to see boris pull the trigger on the no deal brexit. neil: he's taking a page from donald trump, taking out his opponents particularly labour party members. much work on multiple democrats where he was, apples and oranges but the strategy seems if my friends won't go with me i will work on my enemies. >> like something out of donald trump's playbook. it can change their mind, they are not married what their vote will be. another thing, boris johnson can depend on teresa may's base, she had 259, the target is 320.

of that he needs 61 of 85 available votes. some of the people they expect to vote for this they publicly have not said. neil: even is an opposition in the democratic party -- the conservative party, was criticizing boris the last few months has said bravo on getting the most significant deal. neil: talk about friends who abandoned the prime minister he parted company with the prime minister, joining us a little later to talk about why that is i do get a feeling, looking at what the markets expect that eventually they do not see this as a worry for the united states. >> not only not for the united

states but you have seen the pound, the dollar is increasing steadily over the past two month, almost at the highs -- the british pound is lifting up, generally seen as a sign that something is going to happen and it is relieved. neil: i think it is going to get done and they will be -- >> the united states will benefit, trump will benefit from this to make the uk according to investors have less bargaining power and the pound is not as strong as it has been since 2016. it is a win for the united states. neil: if it breaks apart what do you think? >> i don't know. i talked to somebody getting ready to do a show and is a

member -- i compare this to what is going on now to driving a bus towards a wreck. neil: a lot of drivers. if you are looking at this and you are close to the president i am wondering if you think about the whole vote for brexit in the first place, the populist wave that brought us donald trump. i am wondering. >> is a trump supporter and probably speaking republican this is a win for economic populism and nationalism in the uk and elsewhere. it is not a unique movement to this one country. you see in spain, in france the attempt to restore power. the default and devolution of government is something moving in the direction where i think a lot of trump supporters and republicans are happy about. >> this is not a win for the

people, 27 years we go backwards to the northern border. >> it wouldn't be. >> we don't know what will happen. >> there was life before the euro. there was life before we assigned u2 the same inflation rate, same interest rate. italy had a beautiful currency. >> the euro not many people were afraid of. people were very sad to lose their currency but did it for the greater good to learn from the united states. neil: the unwritten story is whatever happens i think europe is more concerned the sun rises on the british empire the next day and the day after that.

they are worried because countries like spain and portugal, italy, might look around and say we want out too. >> they are losing their second strongest member. germany is there and without the uk it makes the eu we can and it does cause a lot more concerned whether the eu might break up. it is a bit concerning. neil: i think you are right. what was voted on today? it means to put it simply cut to the chase, this would have to be pushed back to october 31st deadline. to turn into a victory, i will only use the british accent if it becomes absolutely necessary. for those who are concerned europe is falling apart, it will put eggs on everything so just chill.

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>> donald trump says the cease-fire is going fine but turkish and syrian forces are fighting at the border, not as much but still going at it. steve harrigan is following this. >> the cease-fire agreement signed between mike pence and turkish president erdogan got off to a rocky start friday and today with some violence, some shelling and small arms fire, each side, the turkish military

and kurdish fighters blaming the other for violations of that cease-fire, turkey said they want a huge buffer zone all along the border with syria. 270 miles long, they want now kurdish fighters in the buffer zone or they threaten to restart the military offensive tuesday. with us forces withdrawing russia has become a major player in negotiations, turkish president erdogan goes to russia tuesday to negotiate with vladimir putin. neil: lawmakers are questioning the president's handling of tensions in turkey. ben cardin on that right now. where do you think this is going? there has been bipartisan bashing of the president but he claims the cease-fire is working fine.

>> he was the one who gave a green light to turkey for its offensive and now he says he is responsible for solving the problem. people have been killed, we have abandoned our most reliable ally on the ground with kurdish fighters, russia has advanced, it helped the aside regime, isis can reconstitute in a stronger way. this policy has been a disaster. democrats and republicans have united against the president's policy in syria so you will see some action in the senate. neil: the president will say democrats -- whether it was barack obama and his red line and don't dare cross it or just pooling troops out of the middle east in various stages of his administration, what do you say?

>> we had a strategy. the objective was to get these weapons removed and the weapons were removed so he achieved the objective. with donald trump's policy we are not sure what his policies. we had kurdish white is on our side keeping isis in check and all of a sudden the president tells erdogan go ahead and wipe out our ground troops. that made no sense whatsoever. hard to understand what the president's strategy is in regard to syria but it has helped our enemies. it helps russia, help the bashar al-assad regime and gives oxygen to isis. neil: is at raised alarm in the military the president tweets the stuff out. they say he never bounced it off of them and it will come the same way.

>> the immediate problem is to end the violence turkey has caused and the president gave a green light to. we want to end that but the key is how do we deal with the damage that has already been done? turkey's objective was to do ethnic cleansing. neil: should turkey be a member of nato given the pretty aggressive moves it deserves to be a member of nato, really on our side? >> our objective is to change what turkey is doing under mister erdogan. we would like to maintain the strategic partnership with turkey. it is an important ally in nato but their behavior is unacceptable. what they have done in regard to kurdish fighters is not acceptable. what they've done as far as

trampling on democracy not acceptable. we need to look at turkish current behavior and hope it will impair their relationship so we can move forward with the defense alliance. neil: thank you for taking the time, appreciate it. senator cardin will cease-fire, we will ask louisiana senator john kennedy. for those joining us, boris johnson, crowds are dissipating right now who were very much against this vote that was going to be held today to stay or go. they are putting off which is why a lot of protesters have nothing to do with it. effectively tabled the decision when to get out but they will decide on that later this week, pushing it off for another vote down the road but for now a defeat for boris johnson even though he is out to fight another day. more from her majesty's kingdom

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neil: they say it isn't over until it is over, on the part of joel response in -- boris johnson wanting to break away from the rest of the european union, battle going on for 3 and half years, protesters outside parliament where the debate was raging, thousands gathering to say we don't like the idea, we like being part of the european union but they had to put this off because in a surprise move on the part of rebel leaders it was tabled. that would mean a delay in the

october 31st break up from the rest of europe if it comes to that. boris johnson says there is not going to be a delay, he plans to stick with that but it might be hard to pull that off but that vote was close to anything can happen and probably will, protesters for the moment satisfy their sentiment was delayed but this continues to play out. stay tuned, i will give you more impactful british accent. republican senators studying the senate rule as they prepared to take up impeachment proceedings if and when the house vote to impeach the president of the united states. joining me is senator john kennedy, good to have you. it seems inevitable. i could be wrong but at least now, eventually they are going to vote to impeach, might be drama whether they get this done but then what?

>> when i watch the house impeachment proceedings i'm perplexed and appalled. here is what i hear nancy pelosi and chairman shift saying to the american people. you are stupid and we are smart. i hear them saying to the american people you are so stupid you can't govern yourselves. i hear them saying you are so stupid that you chose donald trump over secretary clinton and we've got to fix it for you. i hear them saying you are so stupid we are not going to show you the evidence, you can't handle it. we are going to do all of this behind closed doors and tell you what we are going to do. i find that appalling. i find it perplexing because i

read these stories about nancy pelosi and what a talented politician she is and she is a strategic thinker and major tactician and i think to myself does she really believe the american people are going to fall for this? i know that nancy pelosi is a smart lady. she is not done. if this were anybody else i would be thinking it must suck to be that them. neil: i could turn around and say are republicans stupid enough to keep carrying the president, moving on syria, what he did in ukraine, holding, that he does the kind of things that put guys like you on the spot. >> i don't mind being on the spot, having a public, not behind closed doors, debate,

public debate about our conduct with respect to the kurds, whether the issue is healthcare or whatever but i have always believed and continue to believe, shoot me when i stop believing that the ultimate arbiter is the american people. neil: those who have spoken out against the president, marco rubio about the turkey thing, just as they try to defend him on the bigger stuff he does, leaves him in a difficult position, fairly conservative newspaper, what do you think? >> this is america and you're entitled to your opinion. i am glad that marco and mitch are saying what is in their heart.

that is what they are supposed to do. i don't agree with the president and when i disagree i say so publicly and talk to him privately. neil: one of the things that comes up is a fear among republicans the if you challenge this president he will tweet the living hell about you, say what he did about mitt romney and they don't want any of that. >> we both know the president, the president is not a turn the other cheek kind of guy. he thinks if you turn the other cheek you just get it in the neck. neil: it worked for jesus. >> the president thinks if you say something he doesn't agree with he is going to say something. i don't always agree with the way he says it and i have told

him before tweeting a little less would not cause brain damage, but that is okay. that is what the american people expect. some of these issues are pretty tough and reasonable people disagree and -- neil: do you think he should move the club location? >> yes. if the president asked me my opinion i would tell him don't lead with your chin. this just creates more controversy that we don't need. i would tell him to move it but do i think he is going to move it? know. neil: always a pleasure. you speak your mind frankly and consistently. we have heard separately that hillary clinton has been blaming

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>> she knows she can't control me. i stand against everything she represents.

if i'm elected president she won't be able to control me or manipulate me or continue to work from behind the curtain to continue these regime change wars that have been so costly. my brothers and sisters in uniform are killed in iraq, a war that she champions. their blood is on her hands. neil: to for 10 in some of the latest surveys, tulsi gabbard is getting one bit of notoriety after another with presidential candidates responding to the suggestion that russia is grooming her to run as a third-party candidate and not the first time hillary clinton has made waves in the last few weeks tweeting recently don't tempt me. when the president of that she should into the race and say -- referring to her popular vote

but what is she up to. let's ask nathan rubin and republican strategist, what do you think? >> this claim by hillary clinton, any way to know if tulsi gabbard is a russian asset i don't think there is but i think when we look back at claims for hillary clinton as part of the election she made a lot of statements that sounded hyperbolic but in retrospect have been proven quite prescient. i would say one a major presidential nominee speaks we should listen and consider what she has to say. neil: should never mentioned gabbard by name. why is she doing this? i think cynically that it is a way to enter the race. gabbard saw that there was

effective rigging of the nomination inside the dnc, she quit the dnc and endorsed bernie sanders. i see this as payback. there were no substantive allegations that she is a russian asset. that is outrageous to do because she is a former secretary of state. hillary handed in a desperate way but to throw around these charges, i am for strong foreign policy but you just don't call jill sign a russian asset without having any proof. the secretary has proof, put it forward. >> hillary clinton learned something about gas lighting politics. she is throwing this out here. it is newsday around hillary

clinton. >> the point that she is grooming a run. she thinks there's an opening. >> in my opinion, i do not think she is going to put her head in the ring because of one big reason and that is cash. the donors are spread out, a lot of donors were hesitant, they always supported her and 12 people running in the race can spread out the money. i don't think they will rally behind it is all these are our tactics for her to remain relevant during an election year so there is hope for her to play no matter what goes on and maybe she can play. >> a king or queenmaker. >> we are overlooking the last

three years when hillary clinton said russia was interfering in the elections people laughed it off but after the election they create millions of trolls on social media. neil: you are right about that, to say tulsi gabbard -- >> i don't have any evidence to support the claim. i agree that she should release it but at the time. in the past -- neil: i say reckless and the secretary would do best to take her leave, lower her voice. ba elder states woman, not somebody who throws bonds with no credibility. >> what is going on here, the same way we see this paul, the entire field in new hampshire. almost like the party is crying

out for an alternative candidate. >> that is why there was an article, we have so many headlines that michael bloomberg has been telling people he's looking at an independent run. neil: he's concerned about what is going on and he will pick someone who will grab the beat. >> is not going to be there. nobody -- nothing rallying behind hillary clinton taking that spot. they are like a ship without a captain. neil: the fear of the more moderate in the democratic party they fear they will lose with someone like elizabeth warren at the top. >> it is so far from the election we don't know what will happen as we get closer. if you look at statewide polls

the incumbent donald trump is underwater. the incumbency reelection rate is high, donald trump is likely the favorite at this point in time but when you compare head to head, donald trump is losing to a number of the democrats. neil: in this time of trouble. >> elizabeth warren probably can't beat donald trump that donald trump can beat himself. if he makes mistake after mistake and to me the deal with the kurds and erdogan is a profound mistake in terms of fighting islamists into the greater middle east. if he makes mistake after mistake, his chief of staff makes a mistake he made he can find himself quickly and an impeachment trial where his credibility is up for grabs. >> with the g7 and the corruption.

neil: we will see what happens with the trump venue. boris johnson reaching out his enemies because he lost support from a lot of his friends on this brexit thing including nigel farage on why he decided to part company after this. so vets can join? oh yeah. how do you kind of buy a new car? it's used. it's for mikey. you know he's gonna have girls in that car. yeah. he's gonna have two of them. great benefits for veterans from navy federal credit union... our members are the mission.

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what happens now? mister brexit was ahead of this. very good to have you. >> i want brexit more than anybody. i spent 20 years campaigning for this but the brexit deal he has gone for is a new eu treaty that binds us in and will lead to years more negotiations and acrimony between us and the bureaucrats of brussels. i want a much cleaner let's just leave brexit, take back our independence. i'm pleased that boris wants brexit but not the right way. he's not the real problem. the real problem is we have a country that still wants to leave, most members of parliament want to remain. neil: you think they still want to leave? looking at thousands of protesters outside parliament,

they want to stay. it has been 31/2 years and if you listen to people again would you get the same results kick you >> opinion polling is clear. if you give people the binary choice do you want to leave with a clean break brexit remain in the european union there is a very affordable lead for those who want to leave bigger than three years ago. the british public our firm on this. politicians don't reflect it. my message to the prime minister is rather than pushing through a very bad new eu treaty better to play for time, get a general election and hopefully get a parliament that reflects the country and not just the career politicians currently sitting behind me. neil: you would need a vote for that. >> we would and there are obstacles but it is possible. to have a general election could

be reached between now and christmas but remember we've been a member of this for 46 years and we are leaving setting out the path for many decades to come the better to wait a couple months. to sign up for something you live to regret in the years that follow. neil: boris johnson's view is this isn't perfect but is better than the agreement teresa matt cobbled together, rejected by parliament. this looks like closer support than those attempts. do you agree? >> teresa maps treaty was abject surrender. a shameful document rightly voted down by parliament. boris has embraced part of it. 5% of it is better than it was before. 95% of it is still the same but still leaves us trapped inside

european union laws for many years to come and 31/2 years ago we voted to leave. i just want to get on with it. i want to come to america and talk about trade deals with you guys. i want to move on and boris's deal does it. neil: there is a queen song to that effect. i want to be free but i won't repeated for you. always good catching up with you. nigel farage, he was first in the brexit debate. china keeps bullying the nba finally stopped caring. dinner's almost ready. but one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with our renters insurance. yeah, switching and saving was really easy! drink it all up. good! could have used a little salt.

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adam silver saying chinese officials asked for darrell more to be fired after he supported hong kong protesters but he was not going to cave to pressure. joining me, much more to that, i think it looks like the nba is trying to find its backbone. what do you make of this? >> it feels like a fire drill growing up at school. we always line up in the same order and have evacuation maps and on the off chance there was never a fire we would have a smooth accident everybody could control the panic and chaos and we would minimize damage and injuries but that was for a fire. this came from social media, virtual certainty this arises in some format and the fact the nba didn't have that fire drill in place is shocking. if you smell smoke or see flames you are in trouble and the communications plan we have seen the last couple days is

staggering and letting people burn in the wake. neil: what is their position? they have to walk a tight rope and continue doing business in china, half 1 billion kids playing basketball right now appealing to the nba but i am not sure where they stand and how much they will placate. >> i don't think you are alone in that regard because they have been so wishy-washy in their narrative. the written statement says it is regrettable this happen but then the commissioner said our official position is apologetic. now they are leaning in and saying the nba is an american brand with american values. they are not alone in saying where do you stand? the commissioner circled the wagons around darrell more, but it doesn't come without cost and consequence but the nba book of

business is $4 billion. streaming rights alone go $1.5 billion. a lot of consideration at play. neil: is the nba saying if push comes to shove who walks away from this? >> i don't see that at all. get off the battlefield where you can get them into the operating room and look at what is going on. this was an attempt to stop the bleeding. i lead with the analogy of the fire drill. you have to have a plan in place, you are not left in this position. there is no question they are not going to lose their business but we see the disparate power of the person terms of the chinese economy. they canceled the media tour. there is a boycott across the board and talking about another

portion, billions of dollars and quantifiable damage to say the least. neil: thank you very much. follow the bouncing drama we call the nba. more after this. ...

>> all right. well, alexandria ocasio-cortez is feeling the bern, i guess. the new york councilman is-- congresswoman i should say is set to publicly endorse bernie sanders at a big event in new york city today. ellison barber is there today. that surprised a lot of folks, a lot of people thought she'd go to elizabeth warren, but this big event today. >> yes, a big endorsement we're expecting today. a big day we're expecting today. this is the first time we've seen senator sanders at a campaign event since he spent about two and a half days in the hospital after suffering a heart attack. he is coming back with that significant endorsement. it has been reported that three members of the so-called

progressive squad eventually plan to endorse the senator. one representative alexandria ocasio-cortez is expected to make it official at today's rally. sanders took the debate stage in ohio earlier this week and age has been somewhat of a factor in the race and a question has come up since his heart attack. the current president is over 70 and the top candidates will be at 70 or over 70 in inauguration day. and they've all said about their age and health and they've said they'll release their health records. sanders says he feels good and plans to return to campaigning. and his vigorous campaign schedule with the support of his doctors when he was asked with that special guest, alexandria ocasio-cortez as evidence not only is he still in this fight, but he feels he's healthy and prepared and ready to continue campaigning and trying to make it to the white house in 2020. neil.

neil: all right. ellison, thank you very much. ellison knows that 70 is the new 69. of course, the closer i get to those ages, the less i make a big deal of them. and anyway, sanders's first campaign event since being hospitalized and treated for a heart attack. attention today, the significant endorsement at least three members of the so-called squad expected to nod in his favor and not elizabeth warren's favor. the read on all of that with our panel right now. we've got joe burrelly, doug shone and kathy, this is the squad seems to be saying he's our guy and not you, elizabeth. what do you think of that? >> they've always from the senate, from the beginning it's been the squad and bernie. they've always been on the same page and felt the bern. it's not the surprise, the surprise was when aoc was with warren. none ofs thought it was last because they've always felt the bern. he's good at these voters.

neil: what do we read into this? >> i think a lot. first, that the squad is asserting themselves politically. all the momentum, neil, is with elizabeth warren. by going with bernie after the heart attack, the squad is saying, wait a darn minute. i think it's going to empower bernie, it will give him a real burst of support. i think i'm going to make it that much tougher for elizabeth warren to consolidate progressive voters. neil: now, they gave her a tough time at the debate because unlike bernie sanders and even those who didn't flip over bernie sanders, including a lot of moderates on that stage who were saying the both of you are spending money we don't have, at least in bernie sanders's case, he offered a middle class tax hike. but said they're still going to get more than they would get, now, without it. so they didn't like the fact that elizabeth warren was loosy goosy on this. >> i think that bernie sanders has always been a better

conveyer of socialist vision than elizabeth warren. neil: and a consistent one. >> she called herself a capitalist. >> he means it when he says that, you can't take that away from him. that is a broader marker of the democratic party, how radical it's moving. elizabeth warner and 38 trillion of spending over ten years is not enough. we're socialists, we want an avowed socialist, we want bernie sanders and i'm willing to bet the big winner is not bernie sanders, it's joe biden. losing for joe biden is elizabeth warren consolidating the left and i think this puts another bag of corn pop in the microwave for his campaign. neil: i don't know about the corn pop, but the administration focused more on joe biden and whether he's a crook than elizabeth warrenment me thinks reading into that, they're much more worried than joe biden emerging as the nominee than elizabeth warren because they think they can easily take

elizabeth warren. >> right, right, now the squad is changing things up. in the old days, it was the moderates would win. if you were just moderate and now seems like the g.o.p. way to the right, the democrats way to the left. so, politics has been-- >> well, prompted-- >> cruz is certainly further to the right than donald trump. >> but nothing is in the middle anymore. nothing is in the middle. neil: the party of donald trump is not the republican party i used to cover, right? and the democratic party of elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, et al is not the democratic party of hubert humphrey. >> very good point. that party headed by bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, could it go on to win in a general election? >> i think it would be very tough for that party to win, but if donald trump continues to make gaffe after gaffe, mistake after mistake, donald trump could lose to an elizabeth warren, not the warren candidacy

necessarily, bad pun, trumping the incumbent. neil: you remember what i remember, reading the history books, be careful of the consensus. herbert humphrey, before the stock market crash, he was a force of nature and the democrats are looking ahead, hey, we've got this guy fdr, big government, big everything else and then the crash came and the unthinkable came and a big government, you know, big player in government emerges with an easy victory. >> you're right. neil: situations can change and make for very different election outcomes. you're right. a great example of how there was such a fundamental shift of even the voting populace between herbert hoover and fdr. >> if you look at barack obama and-- >> if you look at the financial meltdown. >> you know, i think that if the doug scohen model plays out.

neil: that's what it's called. >> the mistakes of your opponent to get you the win. i don't think that elizabeth warren in 2020 will be able to sold to the people in the waffle house across america worried about the bottom line. worried about losing their health care in medicare for all and pete buttigieg did point that out in the moderate democrat. and they're not going to be able to sell the enormous tax hikes elizabeth warren doesn't want to speak about and that's where they're going to lose. neil: normally you run to the middle after the nomination. >> right, right. neil: what happens? >> the middle? >> if she has to run back to the middle, she's coming from pluto. >> right, there's no middle. i think with the trump election it was all tied down. everyone was wrong, we all got it wrong. so in an era of trump--

yeah, yeah, sure you got it right, joe. >> he actually did. >> he did. >> in this era of trump, then bernie could win or aoc could win. >> this positions aoc for 2024, let's be clear. neil: really? >> oh, she has her-- >> for mayor of-- >> sights on higher office, mayor, senator or ultimately president. she is as popular in the democratic party as any of these. neil: i always follow where the money is going and the small denominations, it's going to elizabeth warrens and bernie sanders, the president benefitted for that and the support he got in small denominations and i know that's where it goes the question were the votes to follow? what do you think? >> aoc is certainly great at consolidating the base of the democratic party. i think she has trouble

extending her vision out of that. a democratic candidate is looking at against her, a moderate democrat who sees an open. neil: could he beat her in the map on a big way? >> the process doesn't pl-- i think's' the lead of a movie. >> that aoc has a personal branching out. >> i think she will have a problem if she's running for a higher office, outside of the hyper local-- >> she was never supposed to win. the money that came in didn't come in from the democratic party. she got money from everyone she wasn't supposed to win. she not only won and now she's known by three letters. she's one of the most powerful people in our country. neil: normally the road to the white house is a more moderate candidates, normally. the circumstances change as they did fdr in 1932, you could argue

in 2008, with barack obama. but by and large it's the clinton motif that wins. i'm talking bill clinton. do you think that's the same case here? >> no. neil: i didn't think it was either-- >> you have to go left, you have to go populist, anti-systemic. neil: what does that mean. >> aoc, and bernie sanders is well positioned. warren is i'm a capitalist even though i'm against big corporations, i'm for medicare for all, i'm a socialist, but i package myself as a capitalist because i don't want to go too far. unless you are far left against the system, unless you stand up to wealth and power in america, you're not going to be the democratic nominee. i don't see toefy or tom steyer unless they decide to go on dancing with the stars together. >> it's a reality tv world right now and that's who we have in office and in congress and that's what it's going to be in future. we like it, it's fun.

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crunch saturday turned soggy to match the weather. and an amendment was passed by the lawmakers that basically puts any deal that's agreed to to -- out for a delay to the actual deadline of october 31st. that amendment passed and boris johnson is not happy, and not going for the meaningful vote today and lick our wounds and try again. it's chaos. the opposition later, jeremy corbin says no matter what you do, boris johnson you must ask for an extension to that brexit deadline. take a listen. >> the prime minister must now comply with the law. he can no longer use the threat of a no-deal crash-out to black member members to support his sellout deal. >> there you have it, is a somewhat of a sellout deal according to the opposition.

he probably, and boris johnson may well have had had enough votes to get this thing passed, but this amendment that came before kind of ruined the whole party, but boris johnson after hearing the result of the amendments spoke to lawmakers and said forget about it, i'm not going to negotiate with the eu. take a listen. >> daunted or dismayed by this particular result, the best thing for the u.k. and for the whole of europe is for us to leave with this new deal on october the 31st. and to anticipate the questions that are coming from-- i will not negotiate a delay with the eu and neither-- and neither does the law compel me to do so. >> well, you know, those against boris will say actually the law does compel you. you have to request a delay, but

boris johnson says, uh-uh not going to do it, by 11:00 local time he must send a letter to brussels, please give us extra time, three months to the end of january of 2020, but who knows what he has up his sleeve. maybe he could send a second letter, please ignore what i asked in the first letter and still be complying with that law. lots of head scratching. what happens next? no one knows. and you know we've been covering this since this was past on june 16th, back in 2016. nothing has been easy for brexit and here we go again. the markets, we've seen sterling rise in strength over the last six or seven days on the belief perhaps some certainty would come after this weekend. certainty is not a word you hear very often around here. neil: you know, it's interesting, too, as we look at the crowds that are not dispersing outside of london outside of parliament, they're fans of sticking with europe. either that or they heard that you were in town and are waiting

to see you. but what is going on? [laughter] >> why aren't they dispersing? >> well, they met just on the other side of parliament here. when that result was read of the amendment that basically blocked boris johnson, there was a massive eruption like someone had scored a soccer goal at the world cup. it was very loud, very vocal and now they're drifting away in bits and bobs. they're happy tonight, this could have been the night that parliament passed boris johnson's new deal and they could be facing a brexit 12 days from now. tonight they're happy believing they've thwarted boris johnson again and they want to revel in it for now. >> ashley webster. >> thank you. neil: and it could be that the crowds are with fox business network. and what could go long holding

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>> okay for any federal officials, the president included, to use their own business for government activity and to enrich themselves? the argument is he's not going to make a profit, he's doing it at cost. give me a break. neil: all right, so holding the next g7 summit at a trump resort in florida. what could possibly go wrong? the trump resort signed a contract with, well, donald trump. and mick mulvaney says they're hosting at cost and what's the big deal?

let's request the former whitewater prosecutor ken starr joins us on the phone. ken, i don't know the law. you know the law inside and out. i do know that it just seems a little unseemly. what do you think? [laughte [laughter] >> yeah, i think, exactly. the question is one of appearance. i think it's a political issue. as i see it, it's not a legal issue. the country crossed this bridge about the family business and really, at the beginning of the administration and indeed, during the campaign, the president would not be running the business and his sons, who are already in the business, they're very able, would do that, and here i think is the key. there was a very elaborate process of selection and if that process by which the doral was chosen had integrity.

let's call it regular order then i see no legal problem arising the decision, it's appearance and politics. neil: well, the appearance and politics to it of your point may be rising to the fore here because there's the perception when you're going after the former vice-president and his financial ties with his son in another country and you want to be -- continue to focus on that and make that a key theme of your campaign and then you do something like this, you lose a little bit of the oomph factor, don't you? >> well, that's the political side of it. i leave that to the pundits, but, no, would most of us have done that? no, but then again, we weren't elected president of the united states, and so he does things differently and obviously, there are trade-offs in the process and so, sort of we are where we are, but it's more -- i think it's more fuel for the bonfire that's burning up on capitol

hill, more than anything else. right. it's politics and possibly impeachment, but this is not an impeachable offense, but then again, thus far, i don't see anything in the whole ukrainian drama that constitutes an impeachable offense. you know the fundamental problem with that, and neil, you and i have talked about it, it's a secret process. you know, you just had this wonderful segment on the house of commons. that's an uproarius debate and they get to tune in, i want brexit or i don't want brexit. right now we have a secret process, not regular order which i think should be causing more democrats to have a little bit of angst, whatever they think about impeachment, i don't think they should be going there, they should be doing what they really are doing, which is oversight hearings, checks and balances. but the idea of impeachment

through secret depositions that are then leaked out, i think it's appalling. neil: nevertheless, from the president's moves on syria to ukraine, the g7 thing, the democrats are trying to paint a picture of a president who is slippery when it comes to ethics and slippery when it comes to a lot of stuff and when this stuff keeps happening, it does fuel a narrative i would suspect the president does not want. >> well, i agree with that. the timing of this is extraordinarily unfortunate given what's happening up in the house of representatives and you don't want -- let's move to the politics of impeachment. there cannot be from the president's perspective, an emotion of public support. when we start seeing that, if we do, then it's a very obviously different ball game and that shift can occur rather quickly. it's not going to happen overnight unless there is some

truly -- what we suddenly learn about and we don't have any of that. we have a different style of a presidency, a let's make a deal kind of presidency. and that's who we have. and i just don't see any of this rising to the level of impeachability and i wish we could get off the impeachment train. neil: we'll see what happens. ken starr, thank you very, very much. >> my pleasure. neil: the turkish president erdogan is saying this morning he will indeed put troops into syria if the deal with the united states-- and whatever deal he made with the vice-president and secretary of state when they visited. retired general, an author,

general, i think they call it sabre rattling, what do you think? >> that's a good term for it, neil. we've got a very complicated issue, and you have the kurds who started implementing a federal system, they for a long time wanted their own nation state there. they span about five different countries with syria and iran and armenia and turkey, and iraq, and so there's -- you know, and the kurds have their own interests there and now you've got turkey who for decades, with not centuries, been fighting what they call the mountain turks who are the kurds. and so what you've got is an age-old issues where nobody agrees on anything between the kurds and the turks, so the turks are trying to scratch out a little bit of land in syria to create that buffer zone and so we've got five days for the

fighting to end and for the kurds to withdraw from those areas or things are going to heat back up. and i think what we're really looking at is an attempt to defacto create a nation state by the kurds and an attempt by the turks to deny that and the question for the president and others in the national security arena here in the united states is, do we want our troops in the middle of turkey, the kurds, syria and russia, all closing in to settle that landis put that's really about a 20-mile buffer so the of the turkish syria border in syria. so that's the real question that's going on here at a macro level. sure. we developed great relationships. the american soldier is the best ambassador for the united states and we develop great relationships with whom we fight and support, and that's where some of this angst is coming

from because you see that our troops who really do our bidding for us on the ground, sure, it's painful to not be fully supporting the goals of the kurds, but we still have troops with the kurds and we are only a plane flight away in case things get you know, really bad for those troops and let's remember, they've been fighting now for years. neil: no doubt about that, general. and just for your incredible service to this country, as a general, do you believe that the president's attacks on generals with whom he has compared himself, much smarter, and his own former defense secretary where he has said, you know, not that great a general, to say of the kurds they were essentially overrated that they weren't that great fighters that we made them the great fighters they are. does that serve any purpose to you? >> yeah, you know, neil, i think

that the generals i know and some of whom have spoken out against the president's decision, they've all served honorably and i'm sure the president, who told us a year ago he wanted to leave syria, believes that he's got the right solution here and at the end of the day he's the commander-in-chief. he's the one who all of the generals should be and admirals should be following and implementing his vision. if his vision is to get out of syria and with our troops and as he says, end the endless wars. when there should be effort and i know there is effort going on to try to in a methodical way, fall back, let this chaos sort of sort itself out and then preserve our troops. the president's first mission is to preserve the safety of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. neil: general, thank you very

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>> all right. there are polls and then there's this moody analytic survey that projects in 2020, no matter what you have heard up until now, here is the score. donald trump will be reelected

president of the united states and by a greater margin at least in the electoral vote, that's what we have, how we elect our president than he enjoyed the last go round. they based that on a paycheck factor and their working environment, the market factor, what the stock market is doing and based how investors are feeling and finally on the job side, the employment predict looks pretty good. whether you want to give the president credit for all of that, we certainly blame presidents when things aren't going well. fair game and fair game for moody's to say that donald trump will be reelected. within with us nathan ruben happy to hear that, and a wall streeter who isn't red or blue and we love that about her, and also making a lot of money doing what she does. and let me-- let me just get your view of this. i think that the moody's analytic, talking about that, only been among since we've had this model in effect, 1981.

that was the last go. >> they did a massive revamp for this year and took in factors and we've got the three components. neil: do you buy this? >> no, i read the whole paper and i've got a quantitative background and and i think the data we have going now makes much more sense than what they were doing before. neil: the only caveat, voter turnout, if there's another anger on the other side that could change things. >> they have three scenarios and basically if it's average turnout or above average republican turnout, trump wins by a landslide, a landslide, and massive. only if every democratic voter turns out, like way above average like maximum on the democratic side, they could win by 62%, a tiny margin. they really have to have a

galvanized personality like somebody on the left that brus brings out every single democrat for them to vote for them. at the moment for them to have any chance in the current economic conditions. neil: and would that galvanizing candidate be elizabeth warren? >> any good one would not say past performance predicts future performance. where we're at now, doesn't predict where we'll be november of 2020. all the data is spitting back now. democrats need to take that into consideration. the stock market is up. consumer index and sentiment is high and frankly unemployment is low. these are going to be in the president's favor. with that said he still has a record disapproval rating. he still has a fair amount of people that peach the impeachment inquiry. a majority of americans support impeaching the president. we are in uncharted territory where, yes, we have the big macro structures in his favor,

but a lot of people that don't like him. >> on the flip side, this is why people voted for trump in the first place. a lot of people were turned off by things he did and side, but they voted for him. the economy and immigration and stacking, making sure the courts were stacked in the republican's favor. neil: i think you're right. but the impeachment issue wasn't a part of this methodology. if you're running against a guy who would possibly, been already impeached in the house, might not go anywhere in the senate. is that something that the democrats want to argue you can argue whether it is or not, but-- >> well, the sentiment is part of the models. so it comes into play and so is his approval ratings go down? but really the key components that they talk about that could really swing are a 12% decline

in the stock market. that could totally change the results. gas prices jumping up really high or unemployment going up in key states and those are some of the three critical points. neil: and that change. >> and those could change. neil: i remember covering the obama and mccain election, they were running fairly even in the polls until we had the funnel meltdown and then a six or eight point gap and stayed at that way through the election of the short of that, is that the democrat's best hope? >> i don't think that anyone wants the economy to crash. neil: the democrats with-- >> i wouldn't go that far, i certainly don't. we need to access exactly what you said, there's almost two economies here, when you look at people that are in the professional class, doing fair which well. people in the money market-- not everybody has money in the market. neil: that's always the case, the have's and have-not's.

>> with the trade, we're hurting farmers in key states. and i don't think we can say this is what the outcome is going to be the point of the medals, the states getting hit the most is for unemployment and that's one of the december to the state. there are a lot of variables. and it's a snapshot in time. you know, snap the shot. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg is focused on protecting something else. no, it's not his hide -- after this. - [narrator] do you have less energy than you used to?

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twitter account, elizabeth warren responded i just want to take the white house from him. we're following that and following this big event featuring bernie sanders, with alexandria ocasio-cortez, she's back in, and the squad is backing him. a lot going on. the missouri congressman daniel cleveland with us right now. congressman, take his twitter account away, what do you think of that? >> not much. look, when we start messing around with the first amendment, you know, i think we are moving dangerously into becoming something that i don't think any of us want to be as a nation, and i do think that mr. zuckerberg needs to take a little more responsibility for what's going on and he should be constantly refining facebook and everything else that he's involved in based on this--

the changing technology. you know, we spend a lot of money in the federal government, the committee i'm on. we deal with national security issues now and the cyber world, and i do get a little upset with mr. zuckerberg over just wanting to wash his hands. and at the same time, i don't want to have one person deciding what free speech is. you know, because what one person sees as free speech, someone else sees as dangerous speech and too dangerous to allow it to be free. >> but think about what you just said, sir, think about it. you have the president of the united states criticizing a lot of these big tech names, social media companies like facebook that are not very favorable to him, but then you have someone like kamala harris who says take his twitter account away and

others like elizabeth warren, break up big tech because they're too big for their britches. what gets people concerned who are free market types, wait a minute, do we want the government calling the shots here, making the policy and breaking them up. where do you stand? and with both parties, i should add, it's a dangerous trend. >> look, of all the things that we're dealing with, this, perhaps, is the one we must be more careful with in terms of coming up with a solution proposal, a solution. and that is that, you know, is this going to be a board that says this is hate speech and too dangerous to be out in the web world? i don't know. but i do think that mr. zuckerberg ought to be the

one now looking at what's going on and trying to make proposals to the federal government. i don't want to -- i don't want to get into trying a regulate as a federal government creating some new regulatory body to start looking at facebook and deciding what's what and finding people on that, on what's going on. i don't even look at facebook. i don't spend anytime-- i don't know how to find it on my phone. [laughter] >> so, you know, but i don't want people messing around too much with this great gift we have at the cost of free speech. neil: all right. so you're admitting being a bit of a luddite when it comes to technology? >> maybe a tragaladyte. neil: i'm with you there, sir. we're in the same camp. always a pleasure, thank you. >> thank you. neil: impeachment is on, a full

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>> the requirement that we have a vote so at this time we will not be having a vote and i'm very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on in terms of fairness. >> we're not allowed to representation, we're not allowed to lawyers, we're not allowed to anything. the democrats have treated the republicans very, very badly. neil: all right. so impeachment is on, even though impeachment inquiry which usually starts ahead of an impeachment battle is off. what are we to make about that. the house republican committee, mcclintock. congressman, always good to have you. the president not a fan of this,

saying it's not fair. i assume you agree? >> it's not fair, the process, next to declaring war, that they would take up. it's the nullification of the decision of the american people. in order for that power to be exercised the vast majority of it must see it as a legitimate use of constitutional power. if i rememberness is the bedrock, if it's unfair, it's seen as illegitimate. and the precedent which is controlling in this matter has been completely ignored. the president is, in order to initiate an inquiry, the whole house must vote to initiate that inquiry ap must extend all of due process protections to the president which includes the right to call witnesses, the right to cross examine witnesses, the right to have counsel present, the right to confront your accuser and all of

these are being denied this this process and that's unprecedented in the three times in the american history that this process has been invoked. neil: the first time in 1860, i remember covering that with president at the time and-- just kidding. but two more times with watergate and bill clinton. i understand, sir. if they have an inquiry vote to get the ball rolling formally, you think that the president should cooperate with them? at least it removes some of this cockamamie, this committee is doing this, this committee is doing that, it would organize and cooperate with that. >> he would of to cooperate with that. executive privilege protects conversations between the president and his subordinates and advisors. in the united states versus nixon the supreme court said in the case of an actual impeachment, where due-- well, in the case of a judicial proceedings where due process is

extended, the president's claim to executive privilege is very, very limited. now, impeachment is not judicial, but it is quasi judicial. if they were following precedent and holding a vote and extending due process to the president. neil: then it would be a process, to your point there would be a process. >> exactly right. neil: today there's a story on the cover of the washington post that talks about the republicans' frustrations with the prize that are rising, not impeachable, but they talk about syria and ukraine and phone calls and whether he had underlings doing his bidding there and the whole g7 thing, holding the next g7 at one of his resorts that these might not be high crimes or misdemeanors, but they're embarrassing, morally kind of repugnant incidents. what do you say to that? >> there's an old saying that

says there are many things that might be legal, but still don't look good on the front page of the newspaper and i would commend that to the president and to the attention of his subordinates. you're asking a discussion of twitter on the last interview. this is a man who's never had an untweeted thought and on occasion i think that gets him into a great deal of trouble. i do wish that he was more careful in his choice of words, more presidential in his bearing, more sunny in his disposition, if he had those ronald reaganesque traits, i think his approval rating would be up over 70% right now. neil: we shall see. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. neil: and a quick speak across the pond right now. these protesters who are not keen on separating from the rest of europe and britain, they're not going anywhere, they're staying where they are. they got a sort of promising reprieve, the vote not going

today so they'll have to fight this another day, delayed this departure. this was voted on three and a half years ago. and they're still bloody where they were in the beginning. fox news continues. ♪ ♪

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>> tens of thousands of anti-brexit protesters taking to the streets of london as the british parliament feels a blow to boris johnson voting to postpone a decision on his brexit deal. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm molly line. leland: this has been going on for three and a half years, every time it's going to be the time and then it's not. i'm leland vittert. the final vote count with 322 voting against delay and 306 against it. now there is another possible brexit delay and evidently, allegedly there's an october 31st deadline. ashley webster live from outside the british parliament. is this an alleged deadline or a real deadline?