about hillary clinton, accusing everybody about being a russian agent. calling on nancy pelosi to bring it up for a vote, saying that this is something they can do easily. calling them do-nothing democrats. and on syria saying that the cease-fire is holding. we will get more from the meeting as it develops and bring it to you. >> jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ >> this is a fox news alert, awaiting new remarks from president trump who is meeting his cabinet at the white house following syria development, we are seeing troops across from iraq into syria as the withdrawal from the country, this as a top commander of the kurdish lead forces tells jennifer griffin that turkey is continuing its tax despite the cease-fire or pause. and he hopes president trump will choose to keep troops in syria to work with the kurds. some american troops remain in the region regarding oilfield, and the pentagon is discussing a

plan to keep them there. watch. >> there has been a discussion about possibly doing it. there has been no decision with regards to numbers or anything like that, my job, the military's job is to prepare options and present them to the president and let him decide. >> kennedy: this is "outnumbered," welcome to it. here today we have gillian turner, fox news contributor lisa boothe. another fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch, former house speaker newt gingrich, and author of the brand-new book "trump versus china, facing america's greatest threat." he is outnumbered. mr. speaker, welcome to the couch. are you ever "outnumbered"? >> i love coming on the show, because you guys are fun. >> kennedy: fun news in a very serious situation. >> newt: this is party time with four really smart women.

>> kennedy: let's party with some of the facts, because this has been a little bit of a division within the republican party, what do you see in terms of where we are in syria right now and what should we be doing? >> newt: the president campaign in 2015-2016 on getting out of places like syria. he has been asking his senior officers for now two years. and either finding a strategy to victory or withdrawal, and they could not do either one. in some ways he was in frustration pulling the plug. and i think that now people are looking at what are the practicalities, so you end up with some people guarding the oil fields and some people in iraq, but the truth is the whole region is a mess. he will not cease to be a mess. and we will not put in then a number of troops that it would take to make it not a mess. speak to the president is in a meeting with the cabinet, he is telling them, we are hearing out of the initial pool reports,

telling them that the cease-fire which has been widely reported as falling apart shortly after it was aimed last week is holding. so the president is getting intelligence that it is now holding, what do you think about that? >> newt: any time you try to put in a cease-fire, you end up with some sloppiness, because some places don't get the word, some places are engaged in a firefight. i think we will see. i'm sure when vice president of mike pence there that he was a very tough and communicating to president erdogan that we were prepared to engage in putting a lot of pressure on turkey. we did this a while back. and crash the value of the turkish -- in that sense we are expecting them to find a way to get to the cease-fire. >> gillian: senator graham seems to be potentially reversing course a little bit. may be backing down on some of the criticism last week when he said that this could be the

worst decision, pulling troops out of the border region between turkey and syria could be the worst decision of the president's administration. if he's holds the cease-fire and to the americans leave a few hundred troops behind, maybe this could go into a different direction. >> newt: the president will save himself a lot of trouble by calmly bringing in the senior members of congress and having them meet with the defense department, the state department paired having them know in advance what he was doing. and why he was doing it. when you wake up in the morning and you're surprised if you are a senior leader, your first reaction is to assume the worst. >> lisa: somebody who used to work on capitol hill and the campaign, i'm looking at the political locations, and we have seen some of the harshest criticism from people on capitol hill towards the the president. congressman shimkus pulling his name from support over syria, so what are the long-term

applications in terms of his relationship with republicans on capitol hill? and is he able to rectify it? >> newt: it depends on him. if he learns with this and the decision about the doral, there may be issue, consult, and then act. and if he reaches out more, he will be fine. >> kennedy: i think you are right, because having the cleanup make so much more energy and a lot of that is unnecessary considering the agitated state that we are in. >> newt: and gradually phrased ties, when people who think of themselves -- a little bit of lindsey graham, or you look at some of the people to that level or mitch mcconnell. they have been around a long time. and they don't want to wake up in the morning and have no idea what is going to happen next. i would also tell you, the single greatest novel written about the senate, the opening of the novel is the senate majority leader picking up "the washington post" and

realizing that the president with the night before promise not to name a certain person secretary of state, during the night did exactly what he promised not to do. that's the opening of the novel. so some of this is just washington, and the permanent tension between a president and the congress. >> kennedy: i want to bring jessica in, she has not had a chance either, you can direct it to the speaker or weigh in on your own, because if there is going to be some sort of congressional creed about our military involvement in places like syria, it has to be bipartisan. what are democrats going to do to work with the president to clean up our aspect of involvement in the middle east? specifically in syria, because they do have to work together? >> jessica: they absolutely do, and the defense secretary is on the same page that republicans and democrats are right now. he seems quite measured i would say at our chances of success. i want to stay with the point of comparison between the doral and

pulling out of syria, there is a big difference, because hundreds of lives were lost because of that decision that he made post-call with president erdogan versus three days of bad p.r. and we are talking about leading them behind to guard the oilfields, but they were selling that oil to assad. that is not actually the place that we need to be, when you see this video footage and you listen to jennifer griffin's reporting, the kurds are so angry at us they are throwing tomatoes at u.s. vehicles as they are leaving regions. so i'm not sure that just guarding the oil field is going to do it. >> newt: the big strategic difference, i understand that this is all some secondary story, but we are partially going with the oil field, because we do not want isis to come back and sees the oilfields. so that's why -- >> jessica: but we let them them out of prison. >> newt: but none of the worst

places that they should have been, now you have to ask yourself, how many places on the planet are we prepared to go and be the defenders? you have the equivalent of a mexican civil war on the way, paying no attention to it because we are so tied up in syria and iraq and afghanistan and somalia, go down the list. >> kennedy: is it time for congress, forever they have been ceding their authority to presidents with the use of -- is it time for congress to regain some of that authority? if they criticize president trump on some of the divisions he is making? >> newt: it is time for congress and both parties in the house and senate to hold a series of serious hearings, not just random hearings, but bring in serious officials who know the stuff and figure out what should the american strategy be. >> lisa: that sounds a little too adult for congress. >> kennedy: that is exactly the point. we should be able to no matter

what party you are in, it should be the united states should be about preserving freedom and life, certainly. what i will say about what we are seeing in syria, there is a difference between not getting into these things easily and hopefully we have come to a much larger consensus about that. and getting into new conflicts in the middle east, but getting out quickly and getting out to the wrong way puts our allies at risk. >> newt: there might not be a right way. to the kurds have been fighting for their independence since xenophon broke the alabaster is about 300 years before christ. and they got part of turkey, part of syria, part of iran, and the one thing they agree on is they don't want the kurds to have their own country. so this has been a very long ongoing conflict. >> kennedy: why have they not fought with the united states and? >> newt: it is in their interest to do so. >> gillian: isn't it

disingenuous for the united states to pretend that we were in it for humanitarian purposes. it was in our strategic interest. so the president, whoever the commander in chief is always reserves the right to withdraw the troops and bring them home, what you are saying is that the problem is not with the decision making. the problem is with the messaging. >> newt: both are true at one level, if you have done a better job of consulting, your decisions get better because the viewpoints, there are more points to argue things out and you can think it through. i would say to my many friends. i'm very sympathetic to the kurds, but i would also say, are you prepared to give the kurds a blank check? >> kennedy: no, but there is a difference between asking them for their health and working together with the promise that we will help them in the future, and then essentially pulling out and leaving them at the hands of an authoritarian murderous

dictator erdogan who is going to mow through them. >> newt: we were helping the kurds because isis was killing them. >> gillian: that is not in the strategic interest. >> jessica: we have to acknowledge that this would never have happened had erdogan not been on the phone with president trump that sunday. i understand that there was no talking about pulling out of the region, the president may have campaigned on that, but -- you cannot ignore the duress line between what erdogan wanted to come of the call with president trump, which is rumored that he wanted to get off the phone and was done with it. and everybody waking up, and people saying what the hell is going on here? the president played right into the plans of the murderous dictator leaving our allies to die and making an uncertain region even more uncertain. >> newt: let me point out, for us to use air power in the region, we use in cyclic, that

is in turkey. this is a two-way game. erdogan represents the anti-kurdish wing of the politics. one part of the group has been designated as a terrorist group. that is also a fact. so my only point is, the world is messy and difficult, and we had better build a new strategy, because we are not going to be the humanitarians at this point. >> kennedy: you are absolutely right about that, hopefully these are lessons that we can learn from and are very recent past right now, informing us so that in the future, future presidents don't make these decisions to get into conflicts that are impossible to get out of. because you are absolutely right. the alliances are so strange and are constantly shifting. and now the kurds are working with a saudi. and at one point there was a red line, and we don't know if turkey is working with or against isis, the only thing we know is that we should know. we will bring in more remarks

from the white house with the president. meeting with the cabinet as we speak. we will show you when we get them. and the president scrapping plans to host the g7 summit at his resort in miami, the republican backlash force that flip? and adam schiff undergoing fire over the inquiry, and now house republicans are pushing to sentence him. that vote can come to light today. speak of this individual is given the responsibility to be the head of the committee that actually sees the classified inn that members of congress never see? and he lies to the american public about it? the very least we can do is censure him. ♪ connections. patterns. you can see what others can't. ♪

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>> gillian: this is a fox news alert, waiting presidents comments meeting with the cabinet as we speak. and obviously syria is top of mind. the president is going to explain the u.s. directive in syria. and the refocus. and how u.s. troops according to president trump should be more focused on guarding those oilfields, and less so on guarding the kurds. he has made some the comments about not only syria and turkey, and how turkey may in fact pay if they are committing atrocities, but also the role that the press plays in disseminating some of this information. and we will bring you all of that, obviously, a lot of eyes on the cabinet to see where their support is with the president. and here we go to the white house. >> we want to make sure that the american people understand what adam schiff is doing is not the

normal way that you conduct an impeachment inquiry. if this were formalized, the impeachment inquiry, the president would have his counsel. they would be able to bring in witnesses. the minority, us, the republicans will be able to bring in witnesses. part of what happens normally as though whole of the american people get to judge the veracity or credibility of witnesses. we are being denied all of that. >> lisa: there is andy biggs speaking out on his resolution to censure adam schiff ahead of an expected vote later today. more than 170 congressman -- reading a president trump's call with the ukraine leader at a hearing last month. adam schiff also facing criticism over his false claim that his committee had not spoken to the whistle-blower when the individual contacted schiff's aides before filing the complaint.

speaker, what do you make of congressman's schiff's parody parent. was it a parody or something else? >> newt: i think he lost his mind. your greatest credibility is that you know all investments that other people do not know. to the more sober you are, the more realistic you are, the more disciplined you are, the greater your respect and authority. and by opening up this hearing by reading something which he claimed initially was what trump had said in the phone call, and then admitted that it was total fiction then he made up, i think that it was remarkably self-destructive. >> lisa: how much does it undercut democrats attempts with the impeachment inquiry? >> newt: i think when senator sasse described all of this is kind of the equivalent of a circus clown show, it gave you this sense of what is happening in the senate with the republicans alienated from thinking about it, because the

democrats in the house are handling it so badly. the whole idea, that you can have somebody in a secret meeting suggesting to the president of the united states ought to be impeached, the american people should be repudiated, and you think that name will not come out? >> lisa: the transcript between president trump was that bad, why did schiff feel compelled to create a false narrative? >> jessica: was more of a grandstanding moment than it was to create a false narrative. i thought that it did damage to his cause, i think that we do have enough to move forward with articles of impeachment based on the call, the whistle-blower, the text messages between bill taylor et cetera. but there is something dishonest from the republicans. they will sign the measure to censure adam schiff, but they go on the tv, like devin nunes and jim jordan and mark meadows and

say, this is unprecedented. they are holding these hearings in secret, but mr. speaker, you know better than anybody, being into goal and an impeachment before, that there are special councils for the clinton impeachment and mixed in. so there were months of fact-finding missions that went on behind closed doors to get information before it actually got to the committees. adam schiff is working right now without a special counsel report, and he has made it perfectly clear that what they are doing is to ensure that witnesses who are going to be coming from the committee do not hear what the other one is saying. i don't see how he can do it any other way? >> newt: this is insane, first of all, the other two independent councils, so was robert mueller. >> jessica: that has nothing to do with the impeachable percent right now? >> newt: but if they wanted to they could call a council about ukraine, they did not want to. this is the nastiest timeline driven by aoc and "the squad" to

do something to go after president trump. >> jessica: you have no problem with president trump asking a foreign power to dig up dirt on his opponent? do you have a problem with it? >> newt: first of all, the whistle-blower knew nothing. had no firsthand knowledge. none. >> jessica: the dni said that he spent two weeks doing that and confirmed it. >> lisa: i want to get kennedy in here, because there is a 2-year-old conversation that adam schiff had with -- >> jessica: litigating from the ukrainian officials. >> lisa: we also have the fact that adam schiff, "washington post" gave him four pinocchios for lying about having a contact with the whistle-blower, said that he did not, turns out he did. as adam schiff the guy that should be leading this? >> kennedy: no, i don't think so at all, but i have problems with anybody going to the ukraine for opposition research. rudy giuliani, paul manafort,

hillary clinton, the dnc. it happens all over the place, and it is wrong. we have to universally condemn it. i don't have a problem with that. adam schiff, i spoke with jason chaffetz and blackburn just a few days after adam schiff gave his false farcical testimony, and they said, that actually violates the rules of the house. you cannot do that. you cannot falsely represent in the way that he did, and they were surprised that someone did not call for those comments to be stricken in the moment, and adam schiff has a problem, because if he thinks presiding over an actual house gathering is the same thing as having a press conference, there is a gross disconnected that he has to figure out how to bridge. because there is a difference between policy and procedure and politics. and if he has blended the two so much, he cannot be the person in charge. >> lisa: we have seen criticism from people on the right in the left, still sitting information from ukraine are

trying to work with foreign officials to get various information. is there a role for congress as a bipartisan nature to strengthen the loss of these things? even something like violation restricting individuals in the country from working on behalf of foreign governments and failing to register? >> gillian: a quick note on schiff being the face of nancy pelosi's impeachment inquiry, i have had sources from capitol hill telling me for weeks that they think it is the biggest dip that nancy pelosi could give to republicans having him remain in the spotlight, because the longer that chairman schiff is the face of the impeachment inquiry, the more room it gives republicans to hammer him over what they saw as mishandling of the russian collusion narrative, he was the person that was out front saying, democrats had conclusive irreproachable evidence that the president had colluded with the russian government, and when that proved not to be the case,

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to anyone. that's the message they want to get across to you. that if you stand up against hillary and the power party power brokers, if you stand up to the rich and powerful elite in the war machine, they will discredit your message. >> kennedy: preach it, girl. at 2020 candidate tulsi gabbard hitting back at saying that hillary clinton is "smearing her campaign as payback for endorsing bernie sanders in 2016." this after clinton suggested in an interview that the congresswoman is a russian asset, being "groomed as a third party spoiler to ensure president trump's reelection." tulsi gabbard left her post in 2016 to back bernie sanders and accused party leaders have stifling her free speech and tipping the scales for clinton. so, jessica tarlov, it appears at least in terms of 2016, she is not wrong. but hillary clinton says she will make a claim like this and she will make this implication.

she better have some proof. and she does not. >> jessica: a listen to the podcast to make sure that i got this right, because nick mills came out on twitter having confirms that hillary clinton was speaking about tulsi gabbard. he said listen to the podcast it is about republicans. and the question was what are republicans going to be doing for 2020. in hillary said two things. one, they need us to stay home. they need democrats to stay home, president trump cannot get 49.5% of the boy don't -- vote on his own. or they need a third party. and she said, i have my eye on somebody who is being groomed by the republicans to run third party, and that is tulsi gabbard. and the truth of the matter is that i know that this may hurt us initially, democrats in terms of this, because anytime there is a clinton attack it does not help. but hillary clinton is telling the truth about the kind of campaign that tulsi gabbard is running here. >> kennedy: so tulsi gabbard is a russian spy?

>> jessica: you go back to the parts that she says that the asset is different from being groomed as a third party. >> kennedy: in 2012 when she ran third party then? she was not running against hillary? that makes perfect sense. >> jessica: there is so much about joel stein from going to dinner with vladimir putin and mike flynn to what happened in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, the way that she ran the campaign that mirrors the accounts that were boosting her. the russian bot accounts favor tulsi gabbard. >> gillian: of hillary clinton wants to bernie sanders or joe biden to win the nomination, why is she hitting back at -- why is she wasting time hitting back on gabbard? >> jessica: it is not about hitting back on tulsi gabbard, it is important for her to tell the story of russian interference and to help -- >> kennedy: because she is not

letting -- >> jessica: there are millions of people -- >> lisa: what we are seeing is a deeply divided democrat party, and that was because of the wiki links, we saw that the dnc was not in the tank for hillary clinton, and tulsi gabbard is on the receiving end of criticism because she supported bernie sanders. and she spoke out against that fact. >> kennedy: what about the fact that she was at the dnc and saw what was happening from the inside out and knew that the corrupt organization that was favoring hillary clinton at the detriment of bernie sanders and his supporters. >> lisa: speaker, i want to ask you about the divide, democrats have been good about keeping a handle over the democratic process, we saw in crowded primary field in 2018, and are also seeing another crowded primary field right now. so how deeply divided our democrats if they are trying to figure out, you have elizabeth warren on one side and joe biden on the other? >> newt: i don't think on policy they are deeply divided. this is essentially an

increasingly left-wing party. and i think increasingly they accept big government solutions and policies. but the truth is, republicans do not worry about tulsi gabbard. we would love to have hillary get back in the race. we think that that would be the real story. >> gillian: mr. speaker, does it give gabbard a huge boost? >> kennedy: that's what the president said today, jillian. >> newt: i think that hillary inadvertently did give her a huge boost. and i think her response was amazingly brutal and direct. i hope that hillary will counter attack and keep it going. and i think that the president should probably indicate that he endorses tulsi gabbard in the democratic primary. >> kennedy: then the president can talk about that as tulsi gabbard has new piece in the atlantic slamming hillary clinton for her comments, her decision to inject yourself into the 2020 election was a mistake. it was the exact kind of clumsy

self absorbed move that despite her lifetime and the public eye, reveals a total misunderstanding of how politics works." jessica. >> jessica: we have to see how it plays out here. there is merit in listening to what she is saying, because she is accurate about it. she has obviously spent time, a lot of time studying exactly what interference looks like in 2016. and wanting to protect us going forward. >> lisa: she got her information from the kremlin, the dossier was composed of information from the kremlin. >> kennedy: because it is inconvenient? >> jessica: no, i love in, and spread my day is full of inconvenience. no, it is not about that. it is the argument about tulsi gabbard, and even her response on friday, what you said was wonderful, she ran to conservative media to get our message out there. >> gillian: but to label somebody a russian, well, a russian asset.

that is not her place. the point is if you make an accusation, you have to prove it first. this is where we get to the difference of being an asset and a spy, it does not mean that you complicit. >> kennedy: and easy accusation without any proof whatsoever, we will hear from the president about tulsi gabbard and hillary, and so much more including syria, he has at the white house now on the heels of his decision not to host the g7 at one of his own properties. we will talk about that. and reports that republicans were struggling to defend the white house. could that be another issue in 2020? we will discuss. stay with us. ♪ so did you get a new car?

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cabinet members at the white house saying it would've been great for democrats and that he would have done it for free. he also says that he gets more promotion than any person that ever lived. a saying that he does not need that promotion, but "the washington post" reports that he had to drop the idea because congressional republicans were feeling mighty uneasy saying "it became clear that the move had alienated republicans and was part of the impeachment inquiry that threatened the presidency. around phone calls with conservative allies this weeke weekend, trump told republicans are struggling to defend him on so many fronts. okay, mr. speaker. i will go to you first. because another saying that i was hearing from hill sources is that republicans were very antsy about this giving nancy pelosi more fodder for the impeachment inquiry, saying that she would then drop an article of impeachment specifically based around the g7 being at the dor doral. >> newt: the mind, i don't think that was a primary driver, because they were prepared to say that they would not make any

money at all out of it, but i think it was just the opposit. how do you go home and explained that we are going to have this terrific big event at his property, but also pretend that he does not profit from it in the long run just in terms of worldwide name recognition? and this is one of those cases where i think the president would have been very well served to have called six members of the congress and say, how is this going to play back home? and i think everyone of of them would've said, this is not something you need. >> gillian: soy temperature track would have solved the problem? >> newt: i'm really glad that they dropped it as fast as they did, and i think the nature of the modern world, it would disappear into days. >> gillian: jessica, people are pointing out that it is not about profit or no profit, but before taking the oath of office, the president recused himself from his business dealings around the world including his golf estates, so, he should not even be thinking

about the fact that he owns this golf course that may or may not be a perfect venue for the g7. >> jessica: q mick mulvaney, chris wallace who said first and foremost, the president is in the hospitality business. >> gillian: he says the president views himself as being in the hospitality business. a >> jessica: not only was it a violation of the clause, but human decency and understanding of conflict of interest, and the way that it was going to be perceived to have look at the decision. he said this in august already, and there was uproar over it. it is so ridiculous that he could not think it. and i have to believe that what is going on with impeachment and how high the temperature was, that was mick mulvaney saying to jonathan carl's question, yes, it was a quid pro quo in the press conference that the president has to go with anything that will distract.

and so he is just throwing things at the wall to say, get nancy out of my room, i just need to put focus on anything even if it is bad, which is misguided, and he should be talking to people before he does his stuff, but mick mulvaney did not have to have the press conference. >> lisa: one thing that i find frustrating, mick mulvaney was saying that president trump wanted to get to the bottom of 2016. so what we see as we saw multiple congressional investigations. we saw president trump had the intel community do an assessment review of russian meddling. we saw a special counsel all to get to the bottom of russian meddling, but when we had the ukraine court saying that the head of the anticorruption video had released information, according to a statement, saying that it was if you hand them out, meddling of the united states election, we have that politico piece talking about a dnc contractor who admitted to working with the ukrainian embassy to dig up

information about paul manafort and take that information back to the dnc as well as the clinton campaign as well. so you multiple examples. and a general prosecutor out there at one point saying that ukrainian officials could've meddled in 2016, the 2016 prosecutor. >> gillian: i want to bring in kennedy. >> lisa: but nobody is interested in getting into that meddling. >> gillian: but let's talk about the last word, was at an unforced error? >> kennedy: i love florida, and i've been to jarrell, it is a great place. a fine course with lovely amenities, and the president has been president for almost three years, he knows that this is a bad idea. it is not his first month or first hundred days. he knows better than this. he says absolutely right, he does not have to contact, members of congress, he should know in his presidential gut that it is a bad move. and there are some lovely resorts, universal is great.

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>> jessica: elizabeth warren says she will soon release a plan for medicare for all after coming under fire for 2020 rivals for dodging questions on how she intends to pay for it. and whether middle-class tax heights would cover the cost. here she is yesterday in iowa. >> i will be putting out a plan that talks specifically about the cost of medicare for all, and how we can pay for it. right now the estimates for the cost of medicare for all, very by trillions and trillions of dollars. >> jessica: 2020 democrats have been hammering elizabeth warren on this. >> i'm surprised that we have not been seeing it yet, because i think that if she had a good

answer, we would've seen it by now. but i look forward to seeing it. >> jessica: so mr. speaker, i will go to you first. i see this as a little bit of an unforced error on elizabeth warren's part, because bernie sanders has owned the middle-class tax heights saying that it will go down, why is she so duggan about this? >> newt: i think it is the 30-second ad that once to raise taxes. and i expect that -- the middle class, she will raise your tax taxes. >> jessica: will this hurt elizabeth warren? >> newt: your instinct was right, if she is going down this road, she would've been better to start saying up front from day one, yes, there will be a tax increase, but your overall family budget will be better o off. >> gillian: do you believe that she does not know the cost? >> newt: no one knows the cost. >> kennedy: bingo. >> gillian: which she had put

this forward, this is elizabeth warren, she has a plan for everything. what she had put forward this idea without having some number in her mind? >> newt: the truth is, i've dealt with health policy since 1974, nobody has any idea what the cost is. this -- it depends on how you structure it and what you include in it. you could end up with a cost structure that is easily in the trillions, and may be in the five or eight or 10 trillion. >> lisa: another big soft spot for democrats or weak spot for democrats on medicare for all, not just the cost aspect, but that but that's a disruption in the market, we saw that with obamacare in 2010, and we saw that it led to democrats losing 63 seats in the house, so that alone could be very damaging for democrats in 2020. also elizabeth warren has been protected by the media, and when she has faced income comments, she has not done so well paid when she got attacked about

pocahontas, she released an ad telling americans that she is less american than the average white person. so you would be a little bit worried. >> jessica: yes, kennedy, given an agreement hand. >> kennedy: we don't know what it will cost, we know that it will be in the trillions of dollars, and we cannot afford trillions of dollars. the conservative estimate for medicare for all our somewhere in the $32 trillion range over a 10-year period. that is $3.2 trillion a year, and that's assuming that things stay static, which they won't, and one of the big factors that no one can really put a price on is how much more will people see the doctor when they can see any doctor at any point for anything? because cost is a limiting factor for how often people seek health care. once you can see a doctor anytime you want, the sky's the limit. and we cannot afford the sky. >> jessica: i'm on my way to the doctor because i can do it,

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>> lisa: welcome back to "outnumbered," speaker newt gingrich is out with a new book. speaker, tell us about your bo book. >> newt: the essence is simple, the chinese today are a total dictatorship on this mod model, xi jinping is the general secretary of the chinese party, much more than he is the head of the government, and i think that all of us need to recognize that they are a bigger threat in the soviet union or nazi germany, probably a bigger threat than anything we faced since the british empire in the -- 1970s, and we all need to understand that if we are going to survive this threat. >> lisa: when is it out?

>> newt: it comes out tomorrow. i'm very excited about it. >> lisa: congratulations, and thank you for being here today. we are back at 12:00 eastern tomorrow, and here is julie banderas emperor harris. >> we begin with a fox news alert, good afternoon to you. we are awaiting new remarks from president trump at his cabinet meeting amid the impeachment showdown, questions over his serious strategy. "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. i'm julie banderas emperor harris faulkner. the president just a short time ago, doubling down on defending his decision to pull u.s. troops out of northeastern syria saying that the u.s. never gave a permanent commitment to protect the kurds. meanwhile the president is also calling for republicans to get tougher when it comes to pushing back against the democrats impeachment inquiry. as acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney is denying that he denied a quid pro quo with ukraine. >>