washington this morning, obviously the president's announcement on syria there at the white house and you have the hearing on going on capitol hill with mark zuckerberg and the behind the closed door testimony of another witness for the impeachment. thank you for joining us everybody, "outnumbered" starts right now. >> it's a big news day as the president is listing sanctions imposed on turkeys saying that nation has agreed to make the cease-fire with the kurds in northern syria "permanent." but the commander in chief is warning the u.s. will step back in if turkey fails to uphold its premises. the president of the united states. >> president trump: should turkey fail to honor its obligations including the protection of religious and ethnic minorities, which i truly believe they will do, we reserve the right to reimpose crippling sanctions including substantially increased tariffs

on steel and all other products coming out of turkey. >> making huge news today, john roberts outside of the white house. john, "our responsibility is not to police the world, other nations must step in. >> the president has been saying that for a long time. i traveled with pentz and pompeo last week where they confronted president erdogan of turkey saying, you have to declare a cease-fire. gorsucand erdogan had been resit to that, but the conditions were met this morning at the end of that five day period for there to be a lasting or permanent, as

a president put it, cease-fire. i was told that the president likely would not use the word of permanent. but his remarks were swapped out just before he took to the podium. we don't know what changes were made but the president did use the word permanent but added permanent can mean many different things in the middle east. it's interesting to note, too, that while u.s. forces are going to withdraw to southern syria and other bases in the region and the president announced today in the eastern part of syria to look after the oil fields, turkey will not be working hand-in-hand with russia to patrol this 20-mile exclusion or buffer zone between turkey and syria. so it puts a nato ally in russia in cooperation with each other which many people are looking at to say, is not in the best interest of long-term stability for the region. but if it can as rand paul suggested a moment ago, and and

this reinforces the old adage of the middle east that every breakthrough is preceded by a crisis. the president is saying if it hadn't been that flareup between turkey and the kurds, we likely wouldn't have gotten this done. while every breakthrough is preceded by a crisis, not every crisis precedes a breakthrough. so i think a lot of people are going to withhold judgment and see where this goes. >> harris: i talked to martha mcsally, a former combat pilot herself and she said russia was already in the mix. does this mean the united states takes a step back or takes a step away from the table for negotiating in that region? she said absolutely not. and that is the case, we are still there and still in it. what was the immediate reaction? because i know you are there and there are a lot of people that are near you. what is that immediate reaction politically you think that will be?

>> you know, republicans like rand paul who are against u.s. e pleased by this, but the president made the wrong play in withdrawing troops away from the border between turkey and syria. but if he had left those 50 or so u.s. forces in place, turkey may not have invaded at all. the president is making the case today and some people may reluctantly agree with him now that by allowing turkey and the kurds to clash with each other, that was a catalyst for forging a permanent, as he put it, or lasting cease-fire. who knows, it may be short-lived. but without that initial conflict this wouldn't be able to happen. that could just be the president looking back, as a monday morning quarterback and say, the right thing happened after a bad situation or maybe it was the plan all along.

if it was the plan all along, he might be the only one who thought that way. >> harris: there are us clearly something is that we would assume, and we publicly may not even ever known. we got new information on what was happening behind the scenes before the decision to pull american troops out. i hearing some nuances but one was the relationship between the syrian defense forces. at the president mentioned his name several times. >> he data. in the president appears to have a good relationship with him. i know that the president and vice president spo muslim yes tell mike last week when they were in the middle of these negotiations for the temporary cease-fire, when turkey immediately said it wasn't a cease-fire but it did turn out to be a cease-fire. but look at where we are now in terms of the apparent relationships with the kurds up compared to where we were a week ago. the kurds were shouting from the

rooftops that we had abandoned them. look at what was going on. the american forces were retreating back into iraq from syria. they were being pelted with rotten vegetables by the kurds but, general muslim according to president trump seems to agree with everything the president has come up with here. and the idea of protecting your fields in eastern syria, i think he looks probably favorably upon that. but that's a big stretch to make that work. >> harris: if you are talking about with the president said and here's what he said. secretary of treasury will remove sanctions, and he says turkey informed my administration that we will be stopping combat. it could be questionable but, i

believe it could be permanent. you were there as at delegation with the vice president, what is the playing field in terms of negotiation with us in the mix? >> i think that the president wants to pull back. he wants to continue to be a diplomatic force in the region and had that hammer and that possibility of american sanctions to continue negotiations with turkey to create a more lasting peace. the united states is clearly not as much of a player militarily as it was in the past, but the device president and secretary of state went over to encore, first of all, and they agreed

they are not going to talk about a cease-fire and then they reluctantly rick agreed to a cease-fire. and even though turkey, maybe we don't need turkey to be part of nato. i think he still wants that relationship with nato and he still wants that relationship with the united states. most importantly he does not want the threat of economic sanctions against turkey because that could really have, could have a very deleterious effect on the turkish economy. >> we've heard that john roberts, thank you so much. air force one is set to arrive in pittsburgh international airport and a take off from joint base andrews within the next hour or so.

and then come and arrive in the 2:00 hour as a president will be there for an event at the shale insight conference. no doubt, reporters will have him because you know on both ends of that trip there will be a couple of tarmac's where there may be some reporter so we will be watching for that news. let's bring it out to the couch. we didn't do formal introductions but you know what? we don't need all that. let's jump right in. so politics, talk to me about this. the president says some in congress wanted another military incursion but i don't think so. >> you know i can't think of any issue in washington that dumb, unifies democrats and republicans more than foreign engagements like this. when you go outside of washington and you talk to regular voters, regular voters if they are unified about anything they are unified in the other direction. donald trump right now is keeping a campaign promise to get out of these kinds of

engagements. obviously we talk a lot about the strange bedfellows that we have in foreign policy, and you especially have strange bedfellows in the middle east. when you have complicated situations like this, it's -- >> harris: it strange and dangerous. >> it strange and dangerous. if you can't explain to american voters with the objectives is who are fighting then you probably shouldn't be there. my rule of thumb that i've kind of learned over 20 years covering washington is, if congress isn't willing to go out there and declare war then we probably shouldn't be somewhere killing people. >> harris: charlie hurt with us today. thank you. let's go lisa boothe. can i ask a question? senator rand paul was with bill hemmer and sam smith right as the president wrapped up 10 minutes ago or so and he never lost his resolve. you have seen some people step of the president and then kind of come back.

he was always very strong with the president on this is the right move to make and we are committed militarily for a whole host of reasons. you know he's leading libertarian, senator rand paul, i guess you could call him that. but where do you put the politics on that? >> lisa: charlie had mentioned the voters at home and there was a new poll out for morning consul that said 37% of americans oppose what president trump is doing in syria, 37% up support but 20% of americans have no opinion. you look at the media bubbles that we exist in and the amount of attention that has been spent on syria and all the major networks, 20% of americans have no opinion on this. so it appears the voters are split on the issue is so the amount of negative attention -- it seems like it's not hitting home with voters. perhaps they don't care about this as much as we do in these

media bubbles that we exist in. additionally another point i will make is it looks like president trump hasn't used sanctions effectively to move erdogan further to him. and we've also seen that he loves these tools. he also uses this effectively with mexico in the threat of terrorist to get them to beef up enforcement. president trump loves these tools and has had success with it. >> harris: so dagen mcdowell, why does this work? >> dagan: we don't know if it will work. we have a small number of troops protecting oil fields and a thousand troops that have moved, roughly a thousand that have moved into iraq that can stay based on what we know today for about four weeks. there are lots of unanswered questions. >> harris: are you doubtful about the sanctions? >> dagan: distinction issue, turkey's exports of steelhead dried up anyway because of the tariffs we had put in place.

and i want to say this. there are other polls out there, the quinnipiac polls found 60% of voters disapproved of the president's decision to move out of northern syria and remove military support. 3 out of 10 republicans disapproved. also, whites with no college degree, 51% disapprove. there was some pushback there. i was listening carefully to the president and this is the president at his best. during the cabinet meeting earlier this week, he started talking about and forming the idea of, we need to use our financial has to. we need to use our economic power rather than sacrifice the lives of men and women. he's talking about not just china but the fact that we are now done world's number one oil

producer. we took that power away from russia. we are now exporting liquefied natural gas to places like poland. germany will start importing it. we take power away from russia by doing that. we listen to this more and more on the campaign trail about using our financial and economic power and hast to battle those countries that are stealing from us that hate us rather than sacrificing the blood of our men and women. >> harris: is only dagen mcdowell can do, she took us forward to 2,02 2,020 ia way that is present. this is as everything jessica seen through political prism. and if that messaging walks out with all the other good economic news that we've seen, what do democrats do? >> i think what political pundits on tv are saying versus what regular people at home whose son or daughters might be

heading off into the middle east a base is particularly resonant and that's on both sides of the aisle. in the aftermath of the iraq and afghanistan wars were a cable news has gotten even more popular in the 24-hour news cycle, people are repulsed by the idea of people sitting on a couch saying, you should go to war or you should stay here or you should do that. i think the president's right to point that out but i will also say what's getting lost in this conversation and what rand paul is saying, and i know he aligns with this perspective more than the rest of his party -- >> dagan: i know democrats want to bring the troops home. >> the point that i'm making, his point is the front from the rest of the mainstream party and certainly from democrats, and charlie is right. i do want to point out that we can't lose sight of the fact that there was no good reason for president trump to have pulled those 50 or so troops out except that he got a call from

president erdogan. >> harris: before we go to our reporter, your head is going to pop. >> charlie: democrats on the campaign trail attacked trump by just attacking trump. they are not going to say that, we need to be in syria. because it is a loser issue among democrats. >> harris: we got jennifer griffin live at the pentagon and you can imagine with leadership now tasked with actually doing all of what the president just talked about on sanctions lifted, there has to be a ton of reaction for you and where you are. jennifer? >> what i didn't point out, is that the de facto agreement between russia and turkey yesterday allows for joint patrols and for russia to have a larger presence in northern syria. that's something we just heard

from investor jim jeffries who is testifying right now to the house foreign affairs committee. when he was brought in by secretary of state pompeo, jeffries who was with pentz and pompeo to negotiate the cease-fire agreement with the turks, he was told that his job as special u.s. envoy to syria was to prevent russia from getting a greater stronghold in syria. the president did not address the fact that u.s. standing in terms of stepping aside and allowing russia to move in and work nato ally turkey that the u.s. may have lost and allow them to work with them through the future. it's also interesting, the president said he had just gotten off the phone with general mazloum, the kurdish leader and head of sts forces. general mazloum, you remember i spoke to him wednesday night and he was very cautious in what he said. he said he was very disappointed in president trump's decision to

pull the u.s. troops back but he wouldn't say it was a betrayal until he said further what the president was planning to do and he said the kurdish fighters still preferred to fight alongside u.s. troops and to work with the u.s. they did not want to work with the russians or the syrians. so it sounds to me, from hearing with the president said, there is an agreement. he's leading some u.s. troops to protect those oil wells. well who benefits from that? kurdish leaders and kurds like general mazloum -- the money goes to the kurds. so the u.s. has basically found a way and it's our understanding that the u.s. military is still supporting the stf through money and also through weapons. so i think general mazloum is still wanting to preserve this relationship with the u.s. military. the u.s. military has pulled back to iraq and we still have

u.s. troops in iraq that could be moved back into syria and the president was convinced to keep some troops down in the south as a deterrent to iran moving in. but again, i think you will have to go back and there was fascinating testimony on the hill for adam kinzinger, a veteran. he said of those 25 troops, if the u.s. had decided to put the full weight of the commander in chief, the u.s. government and also air strikes on the table, the turks would have never crossed the border and those troops could have stayed and would have prevented two weeks of chaos that led to about 500 deaths of kurdish fighters. >> harris: a couple things. when the president says we commit troops, we must do so only when vital national interest is at stake and we need a plan of victory. we always win. nobody can beat us. what response inside the pentagon does that get us?

>> i think that's something that people across the united states can agree, both republicans and democrats. in the pentagon what it raises is, what's the plan for somalia where they president has u.s. troops, what's the plan for yemen? if you keep the peace in syria, it was a vital national security interest to destroy the caliphate and keep those isis fighters in prison. the question is, the sudden move to pull back in syria has created a destabilizing effect. but how does the president's statement apply to somalia, yemen and elsewhere. and saudi arabia. the one interesting. jennifer griffin live at the pentagon or us as the story continues to break throughout the day. let's get to deep politics now inside of capitol hill. another witness they are today as republicans to ramp up transparency and house democrat

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>> harris: at fox news alert, democrats calling another key witness to testify today. laura cooper played a crucial role in trying to move stalled lawmakers and the impeachment inquiry they are holding, after the acting u.s. ambassador testified yesterday that president trump was willing to withhold military aid and a white house meeting to push ukraine to investigate election interference and accompanying link to joe biden's son. however, kevin mccarthy says a fellow g.o.p. lawmaker quickly dismantled ambassador taylor's testimony. watch. >> in 90 seconds we had john ratcliffe destroyed taylor's whole argument.

what we are finding is dust his questioning in 90 seconds refuted everything in what adam schiff believes. >> charlie? >> charlie: now we gotten to the point where we are bringing in witnesses to psychoanalyze a president. who is this woman to judge what the president's intent was on the phone call. both sides of the phone call agree that there was no quid pro quo in president trump wasn't tying one thing to another and we have had these hearsay witnesses, it's just the most insane thing in the world. >> harris: it's just a dog chasing its tail for democrats. and if so is there risk for that and them? >> the reason they are talking about this, the reason they are doing this is because they don't want to run on the actual issues because they think they are going to lose against donald trump in 2020 and i think that they are, especially if

come next summer we are sitting here in the heat of the 2020 election and democrats arguing, we want to impeach the president which means we want to take your vote, american people, your vote away from you in this election. you can't win that. >> harris: and that's the way i've been framing it here on "outnumbered." if you baseline it jessica and you are telling the public that is democrats -- this isn't the clinton lying to a grand jury. this isn't nixon committing crimes. that's not where we are. so then the argument becomes, you voted this person in and we are going to take that away from you. like how do you defend that as democrats and solid? >> bill taylor's 15 page statement, opening statement was released and has the quid pro quo directly outlined. ambassador sondland -- >> that's

because of conversations that bill taylor was privy to and that's not hearsay. personally involved in. ambassador sondland admitted that military aid and a visit to the white house was tied up in the ukrainian's opening investigations into joe biden and burisma. but either way he told taylor before august -- >> harris: it really quickly, i want to get just a quick rebuttal. >> the president is the president. and -- >> and he gets to break the law? >> not at all. >> the american people get to see what's going on because if you are serious about impeaching a duly elected president then you are going to do it out in the open. instead they are auditioning actors for their christmas pageant.

>> i read bill taylor's statement and to me it seems like he was not privy to a lot of information. ukrainian president zelensky said he was not aware of any sort of quid pro quo going on. >> harris: without a lot of breaking the news because -- chelsea gabbard ramping up for a feud with hillary clinton. can you believe this? i think it's time for her to step out of the spotlight. is she running, or what? >> you want to continue your failed policy directly or indirectly through the nominee. it's time for you to acknowledge the damage that you've caused. ♪ as a struggling actor,

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and she does such a great job of going after hillary clinton and stuff, and she's not doing better in the democratic prima primary. there are other people in the democratic primary that clearly hates the united states of america and want to do everything to change the core of the united states of america. here's the person who clearly loves america and i would love to see the democratic party rally around somebody who has served her country and clearly loves america and obviously wants to make some changes. >> jessica: i just want to put this out there. everybody in the democratic primary as well as the democratic party in general loves this country. >> charlie: but -- he honeymooned in the soviet union.

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>> harris: we come in with the senate judiciary committee lindsey graham vowing to introduce a resolution today condemning the impeachment process saying the white house and republicans have virtually been shut out of the hearing. >> here's the point of the resolution. any impeachment vote based on this process to me is illegitimate and unconstitutional and should be dismissed in the senate without a trial. >> harris: a president trump and his allies are repeatedly growing increasingly frustrated with senate republicans looking for them to hold their own hearings and call witnesses to put democrats on the defensive. degen? >> dagan: i think just let the democrats cook their own goose

in the house. they are doing this in secret and until they let the sunshine do the disinfecting, i don't think the republicans need to get in on this and i will push back on president trump and people in the white house. he should get out of his own way because in the last week or so, abandonment of the kurds and mick mulvaney doing that disastrous belly flop, the real decision in the use of that word, "lynching." so if you folk focus on uniting republicans around it -- >> harris: so you saw the tweet from joe biden, yesterday because he used that word when he was going through it, too. he retweeted it and then tweeted his apology. there's a lot out there with the incendiary language. i want to come to you though on this idea that the presidents

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>> jessica: fox news confirming that john durham's investigation of the russia probe has expanded based on new evidence uncovered during recent trip to rome with attorney general bill barr.

he says he's very interested to question james clapper and a former cia director john brennan. jess, let's start with you since you didn't get to talk the last round. why does -- why do people in the media, msnbc has hired john brennan, and we know that he apologized to the senate intel committee for a spying on them and lying about it. so why does anyone treat him with credibility? >> there are a lot of people in both parties who have complicated passes to mike past, who have jobs now doing pundit punditry, but what i think is important is there is disinfectant on all of this and if we have someone investigating it with moral authority and is acting ethically, we will get to

the bottom of it. and i'm all for that. i feel like both sides at this point, it has gone on for years and years and we have a right to know, just let it flow. >> jessica: charlie, about that. if john durham has a sterling reputation and is the guy investigating this. apparently the investigation has now expanded. there was additional information about joseph smith's fluid. what does that mean to you in the fact that he subject he figure in all of this? >> charlie: my view has not changed one iota in the last three years. the biggest story here has always been the fact that the previous administration launched a spying operation onto a political opponent at the how to make height of presidential election. and it, we know that the fbi

launched an investigation into a political opponent and, this is spying on political opponents in america. it doesn't happen, and that's why democrats are all talking about the ukraine. they don't want to talk about the origins of the russia spying operation against the political opponent in the united states of america, and they don't want to talk about that. that leads to a lot of people on their side but it potentially leads -- it does lead to the highest levels of the highest levels of the obama administration and it's terrifying. >> what are you following as we learn more and more about information that surfaces? >> harris: i just, i think like everybody else, more words

and not fewer, and you said it's been a while. what i do think it is, you have to nutshell it for people because there are so many investigations everywhere, this one is going to look into, as you said, some tender spots potentially for previous administration. just tell us what's important to know. a >> jessica: hopefully all that surfaces soon because i know that's all what we want to know. there are new charges against lori laughlin and the college admission scandal, the trouble she could be and is next. stay with us. @cs

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cut a deal. >> charlie: it's a crazy story and i don't really understand it. failure for kids is the best way to learn things. my parents want to step in and fix things or do things for their kids and not let them find their own way is just baffling to me. it's appalling. >> how do you feel, full city have been behind bars. she's been photographed quite a lot. in her jumpsuit. she owned it but they are fighting it. it might end up worse. >> it doesn't shock me that she didn't do what felicity huffman did. felicity huffman was $15,000 versus half a million dollars for lori loughlin. take the deal. if you did that thing. you've set such a poor example for your children. own it and apologize to the court and to the children who

spots you talk by putting your kid on a rowing machine in your basement and saying that they were a champion or throwing them in a pool and saying they are water polo champions. >> lisa: i think that's what makes it more egregious, what lori loughlin did. they have those staged photos. also as someone who played sports in high school and went on to college, it strikes me as odd. you would think that these coaches would have an understanding of who's going to be part of the incoming class. they go out and recruit. they know full well that the people incoming, i know there have been people charged at various schools. i find it shocking that every single coach would not be aware of who these people are and have some sort of role in the recruiting process. >> it's about the ego of the parents they were somehow embarrassed by their kids, that the kids couldn't get into a good school. i don't want the people at the cocktail party to think my kids are stupid. >> charlie: the root of all

bad parenting. >> good to see you. right now it's all about terrorists. we are back here tomorrow at noon. >> harris: thank you. fox news alert. president trump lifting sanctions on turkey after announcing a permanent cease-fire he hopes in northern syria. while reaffirming more and might be called the trump doctrine. "outnumbered over time." i am harris faulkner. the president claiming success while ripping critics of his new to pull out troops from syria, leaving the kurds, some of them are our allies, without the protection of u.s. forces. watch. >> after all the precious blood and treasure america has poured into the deserts of the middle east, i am committed to pursuing a different course, one that leads to victory for america. today's announcement validates our course of action with