>> that is genuine surprise. >> how did they pull this off? what is happening? this is so amazing. >> first-ever baby shower. >> the grandparents will cut the cake for us. >> make a wish. >> with us attorney john durham conducting a criminal investigation into the origins of the russia investigation should officials who started the russia probe be worried? let go to former assistant us attorney andrew mccarthy, good to have you join us, great to see you. we have breaking news that broke overnight that general flynn who pleaded guilty of lying to the fbi, turns out the

fbi might have manipulated his testimony by old familiar sources, peter guyger and lisa page. what do you make of this? >> this is a high-stakes battle. the problem for general flynn is he has pled guilty and told them he doesn't want his plea back because if he got his plea back that would relieve the government of their obligations under the deal and they could prosecute him for anything. the high-stakes strategy he is employing is to try to throw the case out entirely on government misconduct and that requires showing the government acted in a way that shocked the conscience of the court. the problem for them, if they

win they could get the whole thing cost. if they lose, what he is relying on in the sentencing phase is the goodwill of the prosecutors are being attacked. very high-stakes strategy, very interesting for us, we want to know what happened in the course of this investigation to have all of this potential misconduct revealed, how much to the benefit of general flynn. david: beyond general flynn you talk about outrageous conduct by the fbi and other investigators, i assume if they fiddled with his testimony to make it up here he was saying something he didn't that is either illegal or it should be, right? >> it depends how knowing it was, how extensive it was,

whether you could frame it as a civil rights -- we don't want to jump ahead of what we know and what we are getting or what is being alleged by general flynn's lawyer, a very fine lawyer but we haven't heard the other side yet. david: we know that peter guyger and lisa page were involved in this and hated donald trump and they were doing everything to forget him getting into the white house and once he was in the white house to get him out of the white house so we know they had severe biases as we are beginning to see some very disturbing emails we haven't seen before from peter guyger he between guyger he and lisa page, whether it is the cia we are not sure but i will read one of them to you, it says i am beginning to think the

agency had info earlier than we thought it has a shared it completely with us might explain all these seemingly incorrect leads all the media folks haven't highlight agency as a source of some of the leaks. as this troops out it does seem what mister durum might be looking into is the degree to which there was collusion to borrow a phrase between various agencies of the government to get donald trump. >> as you know, in bollix collusion which is my fabulous best-selling book, what i tried to trace out is what is known as the trump russia investigation and the fbi trump investigation begins in late 2015 as strands of foreign

intelligence that come into the cia and a lot of collusion, not just my intuiting this, and other statements that john brennan has made, there was a lot of coordination between the cia and fbi and the cia was at the forefront, the fbi and justice department later than the cia was. >> john brennan has been looked at as well as jim clapper, not as possible suspects but targets of information. is it conceivable as we see this turn into a criminal investigation, the origins of the russia probe that one of these gentlemen could be indicted? >> you started with the premise

that i think is absolutely right, they are absolutely relevant people. the reason i tell you what brennan had to say about this is congress thought these guys were relevant enough that they brought them into testify. why wouldn't for prosecutor looking at this in a comprehensive way and focusing on the intelligence agency seems obvious that these guys would be important witnesses at the least. >> i want to turn to the impeachment inquiry. you wouldn't call it an official impeachment inquiry because they haven't been voted on but in addition to having a wonderful book you have a wonderful column in "national review" which is sometimes picked up by fox news as well titled stop claiming no quid pro quo. there was a testimony from ambassador taylor behind these

secret hearings, that was leaked out as pretty tough stuff from the ambassador suggesting there was quid pro quo. you suggest even if there was, might not be illegal. >> i thought from the beginning the focus on quid pro quo was misguided, and involves quid pro quo and that has a sinister connotation because it is a latin phrase we here in connection with bribery cases but all it means is this for that. all commerce is exchange and it is expected there is exchange on both sides. the context is impeachment, not a criminal prosecution. congress is not under

obligation to prove a quid pro quo to courtroom standards to have an article of impeachment. the focus not to be the president's conduct doesn't rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors regardless of what negotiations were between the two sides. >> we seen the transcript, and we saw the transcript in the white house revealed that and i'm wondering which is more serious? the president's phone call with ukrainian leader, which there is not a direct mention of a quid pro quo or evidence john durum is beginning to dig up about what was going on with the obama administration, we know that there was some contact between the obama administration or officials in the administration and

ukrainians in the trump campaign, led to an indictment of the campaign manager. >> you can say the investigation or inquiry into ukraine, whether you think there's an impeachment inquiry, there is one and we are hearing a lot about it. what inspector general horowitz is doing, that vague report and the durum william barr investigation are extraordinary important. there has to be accountability, the preaching of an american norm where the incumbent administration is not to use the intelligence law enforcement apparatus of the government. >> weapon icing federal

agencies is not good to happen, that is what the nixon impeachment was about a the attempt to impeach him. it is a ball of inclusion, a look at the origin of the russia investigation and pleased to have the author with us. thank you for being here. >> thanks. have a great weekend. david: richardson is following the white house reaction to all this. >> this is now a criminal investigation. look at the origins of the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. >> you will see a lot of bad things. a lot of people think they know they have problems. i leave it up to the attorney general and leave it all up to the people working with the

attorney general. i don't know. david: john durum is leading the investigation into special counsel robert mueller at inquiry. this is a justice department review of itself where durham can subpoena witnesses, donald trump and republican allies charge the mueller probe was a politically motivated investigation designed to damage the president and reversed the results of the 2016 election. fbi officials say they opened the russia investigation after learning from the australian government the trump campaign advisor was -- the democratic vice chairman. senate intel is wrapping up 3 year bipartisan investigation. nothing remotely justifying this. william barr's investigation has justified key international intelligence partnerships and comes before congress and explain himself. this is after a federal judge has decided the justice

department has to turn over some redaction materials to congress. david: as we mentioned there is this hearing that is taking place any time now between the adam schiff committee for lack of a better word and what they are doing and the european affairs assistant secretary for the department of state. you can see him on the right. and not only the closed-door. and secret rooms. and it is a closed-door hearing. and we have a video that when we get it live. and republicans a desperate for that. are they desperate for answers?

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>> adam schiff is trying to impeach a president of the united states behind closed doors. >> in ocean people cooperate with investigations. innocent people follow the rules of the house. >> the american public will see what is going on. >> you go back to complaining about the process and that is what they are doing. david: can't we all get along? i'm david asman. a new closed-door meeting in the impeachment inquiry is less than an hour away. republican status shady. democrats say they are desperate. who has got it right? to debate it, host of sincerely

cat on fox nation, republican strategist joseph piñon and iona college science professor, why is this secret? adam schiff said nothing we are talking about is classified. why does it have to be held in one of these soundproof rooms? >> i am all about transparency and democrats, only when they are trying to get information on the other side and a lot of and criticized the storming the gop did as a political stunt which is fine. the reason we have the phrase political stunned is they are part of politics. alexandria ocasio cortez stormed nancy pelosi's office with all those young activists to try to get a climate change

plan. that wasn't the point. the point was headlines to bring attention to that issue because that is what the republicans got out of that. people are talking about it and all these democrats calling the political stunned and criticizing i want to see how they criticize aoc doing that. >> i will answer my own question. it is secret because mueller came out and embarrassed adam schiff because adam schiff said i have evidence of collusion. the mueller report says no evidence of collusion so he's looking to control the narrative. >> they are looking to control the narrative. it got away from them and it was embarrassing to have mueller lack the energy. he didn't make the point he wanted to make and they have something in their lap. they want to control the narrative as it goes forward. they are saying the reason is a grand jury. if you allow people to testify

in public people coming later know what was said. they are doing it for that reason, the president is indeed indicted or impeached, he would see what that testimony is but they are opening up importantly to people like mitt romney, let there be transparency. >> i care a lot less about mitt romney than i do about 63 million americans who voted for donald trump who want to see this. it is not a grand jury, it is the beginning of an impeachment process they are trying to undo an election and 63 million people want to see what evidence they have. >> democrats have forgotten impeachment is a political process, they wanted to have storytime with bob mueller, that was a dead because you have two volumes, not having

what they want which is collusion. they double down on ukraine. look at the trajectory hear the fact that you have millions of americans who placed their faith in donald trump, do democrats doing things behind closed doors not realizing it is not believable. you end up with nancy pelosi saying no person is be have -- above the law. a high crime or misdemeanor suggesting joe biden be held to the same standard and when you look at it that way it will be a difficult story. david: not to say something isn't coming out of the testimony that is interesting. ambassador taylor, some of this was very interesting, showing for example john bolton is no longer with the administration they had problems with the strategy but what we didn't see, we got stuff that was anti-trump coming out of the committee but there was cross-examination going on the

undermined some contentions and made it clear he had second or third hand information rather than the real stuff. >> that's what democrats want to keep it secret that they are not keeping it secret, they are keeping it selectively secret so that people can think if we are seeing this imagine what else there is and allowing imaginations to run wild. on the liberal side, rather than having all the truth and seeing everything because they were so embarrassed by the mueller investigation it looks like the same will happen again. if i had to make a prediction, i'm not a psychic but that would be it. >> this is more than a grand jury. this is the beginning of an impeachment process americans deserve to see. >> the most serious thing you can do is remove a president from office or hold the president over for trial in the

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>> the big tech ceo mark zuckerberg grilled on capitol hill's for calls to break up the company. jackie has more on the grilling he got. >> reporter: zuckerberg was discussing plans for the

company's crypto currency libra about financial services, to cover a range of topics including west facebook is doing about political ads. >> you plan on doing no effect checking on political ads? >> our policies we do not fractured politicians be. >> what you going to do to shut it down? >> we are working with law enforcement on building technical systems to identify -- >> you are not working hard enough. almost like you think this is a joke when you have ruined the lives of many people, discriminated against them. >> other politicians just facebook is too big and added zuckerberg has opened a discussion whether facebook should be broken up. with respect to libra specifically he made a case for

the new currency or payment system by explaining it would help many people around the world who didn't have access to banking platforms for various reasons including fees. he says transferring money between countries could make things cheaper and easier and this would expedite delivery time with the transition that happens faster and potentially change lives and also the argument that if not done here china will do it. david: imagine he has currency with 2.4 billion people that would make it the biggest central bank in the world. >> a lot of people have a problem with that. david: should facebook be broken up to 2 good to see you all. what do you think? should be broken up? >> i don't think facebook should be broken up. mark zuckerberg should have control, the crypto currency is

a huge issue and he should not be allowed to do that but the seas -- the issues facebook is facing won't be solved by breaking it up. there are censorship issues. david: facebook customers join really, no one forces them to join. they get a lot out of the information they get. facebook get stuff from them but they get a lot as well. >> it is like politicians and chatter. do you break them up from instagram which is worth $100 billion? nothing is going to change. that is political talk, facebook against us. they have done a lot of things wrong. a year ago zuckerberg bs a little bit on the hill who they are, and i think they are trying to do that. the currency thing for me is a

joke, amazon should have one. target, anybody can do a currency if they let facebook do a currency. david: what about the currency? every transaction somebody makes, 2.5 billion people they make through facebook that would go through this currency. that is a daunting thought. >> i don't like the way it sounds but the people in the crypto currency worse than facebook. a lot of them run a scam to regulate fake offerings of coins. facebook would never be that crooked. the crypto coin network is cheap transactions sending a small amount of money, it is still 587% to do that. it became an investment scam. david: a lot of people like the

idea of a -- we don't like central banks, don't like the fed. put it in the hands of individuals, a better way to go. >> it is in the hand of mark zuckerberg. people -- we don't let american and delta merge. if there was too much power in one area prices would get worse. the government's job is to prevent mergers. facebook should never have been able to do this. to break up now -- david: i love hearings with congress where they know so little about the way the internet works compared to zuckerberg. they tell him how she -- he should run his comedy when they don't how to run an internet company. >> he is trying to hire someone to explain how this works. facebook at the end of the day is an advertising company.

it advertises revenue. this is a new place where we don't have regulation like they were allowed to buy instagram and now -- >> bit midler never shies away from taking shots at gop lawmakers but she tweeted out her support of violence against senator rand paul. was that going to step too far? we debate that next. well, saving on homeowners insurance with geico's help was pretty fun too. ahhhh, it's a tiny dancer. they left a ton of stuff up here. welp, enjoy your house. nope. no thank you. geico could help you save on homeowners and renters insurance.

>> pockets of violence reported in northern syria between turkish and kurdish forces despite the cease-fire being in place. benjamin hall has the latest from syria. >> we have been hearing about cease-fire violations and the humanitarian crisis continues but earlier we were at a hospital and met with victims of a suspected chemical weapons attack. here's what we saw. 30 fighters have come back bearing these mysterious burns all over their bodies, the worst moved to iraq and one was taken in france. the doctors here believe it is white phosphorus and if that is the case it is violation of the chemical weapons treaty. >> the soldiers described to us a terrible burning sensation,

how they tried to rub sand over themselves to stop it. tests are being carried out after samples were sent to norway and finland. not far from the hospital we met families who -- radical islamic fighters. and the spirit of the operation. they are looking for kurds. they kidnapped some and tortured some. >> they were fighting on the turkish border. and they came to the school. families among them and they are telling us for stories. some of the crimes committed by turkish militia. 45 of them in this room alone. they stacked up their bedding here but on the floor, their lives were are on hold.

numerous accusations. and a couple days left with them. there is a lot of tension on the ground. >> look at the faces of the children and imagine what the children have seen. great reporting. from the conflict abroad to the war of words back home. actress bit midler taking issue with comments senator rand paul made about kurds in syria tweeting out i do not promote violence but rand paul says the kurds are being ingrates for tuning frustrations out on us troops which is a reminder to be grateful for the neighbor who beat the blank out of rand paul. is this another case of

hollywood going too far? joining me is actress kristy swanson. what do you make of bit midler's comments? >> highly inappropriate, completely unnecessary, no need for it. obviously she deleted it knowing it was completely wrong and inciting violence and sort of choosing that. it is way out of line, completely out of line. >> nobody is denying her right to do that, to sound off. you tend to be more conservative than liberal. i imagine you get more negative feedback from hollywood folks them that midler does. >> i guess so. i have haters out there on twitter. everybody does.

not all of hollywood has the same mindset that midler does but she tends to go so extreme with things and the troops, our military and rand paul, it happens daily with her to be honest. i don't know why she keeps doing it. david: is no consequence. if you are conservative you do get consequences. i know whether conservatives say the list you are on if you are conservative makes it more difficult to get parts. if you are next to get movies if you're a director. is that true? >> in my case it is hard to prove. how can i prove that is the case? i have never not worked with someone on a project in

hollywood because they were a democrat or voted democrat or liberal or anything like that. i don't hate that stand and never have. but the left tends to do so and they don't hide it. they are open about it. debra messing and her costar were talking about that on twitter. whoever is on the list going to the trump fundraiser. we don't work with them. it is so wrong and i don't understand that mindset. david: clint eastwood tends to be more conservative but works with a lot of liberals, both actors and directors but you do get the sense it is getting less tolerant in hollywood. there were days when politics

didn't interfere with work relationships or friendships. jimmy stewart, opposite side of the political extreme. we reached out to senator rand paul for a statement and were referred to his wife at statement. bit midler has twice tweeted support for the violent attack on rand paul resulted in serious injuries to him. there is 0 repercussions. that is what was said by the wife. final questions you have you keep things cool when you get into a heated debate? you have a way of working with folks, you proved that in your own career despite any differences. when the rhetoric heats up how do you cool it down? >> when i am on set of the show i don't talk about politics but i have found being in the hair or makeup room people coming

and talk trash about conservatives openly and blatantly and their needs to be just a pool that says let's not talk politics at work. on the red carpet. or board shows or onset, at work and everything for everybody would be fine. david: there's a lot to talk about other than politics. i think politics should be deemed less important than it is. thank you for being here. good to see you. millions of americans are living with the burden of student loan debt but a former federal loan official has a plan to fix it, fix what he calls a broken system and he is here next to defend his position and it means higher taxes.

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and and adam schiff who is the house intel committee chairman having as part of the whole worker. if anything comes out of that it will be leaked and we will share that as soon as we get it. the top official in the federal student loan program resigning this week calling the system fundamentally broken and he is calling to hikes corporate taxes to wipe out billions of dollars in student debt. the official joined me now, wayne johnson not to be confused with iraq, this is another wayne johnson. we are talking a lot of money, not just a few billion but almost $1 trillion worth of student debt. >> the student debt is $1.6 trillion.

how would you pay for wiping out a good chunk of that? >> the way you pay for the program going forward is a 1% tax on for profit and not-for-profit corporations. if you put 1% against $24 trillion which is the revenue those entities put forward, approximately $140 billion of that will go forward with additional $100 billion used to reduce the amount of money already barred by the u.s. treasury and put out to the market. >> i don't want to get too much in the weeds what you are talking a tax on revenue. usually in america we have income tax on money that you have made but a revenue tax is something different, more like

elizabeth warren's wealth tax where you would tax a company even if it didn't make money even if it lost money you would tax them on revenue. that is a whole different ballgame, right? >> it is a very straightforward approach and the reason for the tax on revenue is even though we have a reduction of the tax rate from 35%-21%, the nominal tax rate, many, most successful corporations pay little or no tax. i am sure you recognize not for profits pay no tax but enjoy the opportunity to work force. >> i'm sure you are following

the job numbers, the best in my lifetime. part of the reason is a lot of companies when we lowered the corporate tax, companies in ireland came back, companies began to expand in ways they hadn't before and that led to the job growth. if you are raising taxes on revenue that could be a big raise for a company like apple, it would be 18% increase, a lot of the companies move out again and that would not be good for jobs. >> i looked at different tax rates throughout the world and you have to go someplace like paraguay to enjoy enough of a tax change. david: we saw a lot of companies go to ireland. we got a couple dozen off the

top of my head but one thing i agree with you on his the system is broken. when we put the system in the hands of the government that screwed things up. should we go back to the banking system? >> my proposal is no government loans whatsoever. the amount of education we would put forward would go through a voucher system and that should get everybody through under my plan but when people go for advanced degrees the banking system is fully prepared with liquidity in the system and the banking system will bring the discipline we do not. we have mandatory funding authorized by congress to go against an unlimited drawdown for highly unorthodox loans and

we need to settle in. david: we saw how that worked with the subprime situation. it doesn't help when you give loans to people who can't pay it back. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. mike pence weighing in on the nba china controversy and nba hollow farmer charles barkley wasn't a big fan of what the vp had to say. >> he needs to shut the hell up. oh! you got a fast one there just can't get him to slow down this class will help with that we get it... you got it! we're petsmart!

right of the people of china. >> the vice president needs to shut the hell up number one. all-american companies are doing business in china. i don't understand why these

politicians if they are worried about china why don't they stop all transactions with china? david: charles barkley with some harsh words for mike pence after he criticized nba stars and donors amid the nba china controversy. joining us is sports reporter jared. is it possible that both men could be right? the nba did cave but so did a lot of others. >> they are both speaking past each other a little bit and they are both right. a lot of businesses do business in china. walk through any store today. when you go shopping have a little fun. pick up every item you can and look and see where it was made, your coffee mug or something you are going to pick up as a gift later on, we would all like to see made in duluth,

made in the morning, made in new jersey. just like people say i will shop at the mom and pop shop stop going to those giant stores but you do your shopping -- david: i tend to side with the vp because the nba demanding this apology from the rockets gm, it was just off, like the old reeducation stuff. >> it seemed wishy-washy the way they reacted. adam silver is the most popular commissioner in sports in the short time he has done good things for the nba. for him this is his roger goodell moment. he did not ask for dealing controversy and all of a sudden to have a race war going on in the nfl, adam silver is someone to deal with that he was wishy-washy on it and as much i like charles barkley and can

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>> a state department official arriving on capitol hill for another one of those closed door interviews in the whole closed door sessions that could be leading up eventually to a voted on impeachment inquiry. lucas tomlinson is in d.c. where it's going down. they usually don't work on saturday, right? >> that's right, david. democratic lawmakers are hearing from a witness for the first time on a weekend in the impeachment inquiry over allegations the president withheld aid over a political rival. the acting secretary of state for european affairs, the 54-year-old career diplomate held the acting basis since

march. and they're expected to request reeker about marie yanukovych and the counterpart to investigate counterpart to investigate joe biden for the military aid. and lawmakers require more transparency. >> every hearing has been announced as unclassified. there's no reason he's having them down in the secure facility except to control the information that's come out, but he leaves it unclassified so he can selectively leak is to the media. >> democrats say they need to hear from the witness today because of the elijah cummings funeral in baltimore yesterday. congressman jim jordan urged the witness not to show up. we're surprised and disappointed that you're testifying on a saturday. we encourage you during a

business day. david lucas, good to see you, thank you very much. my next guest is one of the republicans who stormed the closed door meeting earlier this week. alabama congressman bradley burn is on the house armed services committee and he joins us now. good to see you, congressman. what were you hoping to accomplish by storming this meeting? meeting? >> two things, as a member of congress i want to see what's going on inside that room. i have a right to see what's going on in that room. secondly, we want to call attention to what the democrats are doing. it's a sham. when i walked in the room the first thought that hit my head as i looked around, this is pathetic. if the american people see what's going on in that room, they would be disgusted so we're going to continue to call them out because this is a sham. if we don't call it out. nobody else will do it. david you use the words disgusted. what would americans be disgusted about if they say what was going on in that room? >> first of all, remember what happened earlier this year when

the judiciary committee had all of those witnesses. it was in a big hearing room, lots of room for members of congress to be there and cameras to be there. this is a very small room by design. it's where you're supposed to get classified material. everybody is kind of crammed in the room not enough room for the people in there and not enough room for cameras. david forgive me for interrupting, congressman, there is some suggestion that people who did storm the room brought cameras in in the form of their cell phones. did you store your cell phone outside of the room before you went into it? >> the staff and intelligence committee came up to us and took our cell phones from us, that's what they're supposed to do. david the phones were all collected by members who stormed the room. >> so as far as i know. they came and took mine and a number of members around here and i didn't see any members in there with their cell phones out filming anything. david it may be a small start of

story, but you're not supposed to have them there. and congressman schiff says nothing in that room is classified so why does it need to be held in the skiff? >> so he can control how the information gets out. when they tried to do this in the open of day at the judiciary committee, it failed on them. they get in the room to keep the press out to selectively leak out this little piece and that piece, instead of the whole story out and that's what we want, get the whole story out now. >> one of the stories that did get out was the full testimony of ambassador taylor, a 15-page statement, and it had some very critical things to say about the way the state department was dealing with ukraine and even people on trump's staff like john bolton were, according to taylor, anyway, were upset with the way things were going, seemed to be two tracks, one by the state department officials and others by mr. guiliani and others in trump's closer circle.

so, was there pushback to what mr. taylor said? was there any attempt to cross examine him? >> well, i don't know because i wasn't allowed to be in the room so we don't have a transcript. >> you must have heard about it. >> the republican members of that committee have been complying with the rules and not telling the rest of us about the substance of testimony, but we should get it every day as it occurs, we shouldn't have to wait upon other members of congress to tell us what happened in that room. we should have full access. >> well, a lot of americans do agree, that if this is going to lead to the undoing of the 2016 election, it should be an open hearing. is that falling on completely deaf ears or are there some people in the democratic party you talk to who say that, even if it's privately, who say it should be open? >> well, i tell you one vignette from that day. when i walked in thereafter adam schiff left, we went down to the other end of the table to talk to our colleagues and i looked at them and i said why does this

have to be in private? why can't this be out in public? >> one of the democratic members put his head down like this and would not look at me. i think that body language tells me that they know they should be doing this like the judiciary committee should, out in the open. they won't say it out loud because their leadership decided to keep it the way it is. >> congressman burn from alabama, appreciate it. fair and balanced reaction to all of this from chief deputy whip dan kildee who joins us from flint, michigan. so, congressman, why do the meetings have to be held in a secret skiff? >> first of all, the republicans are in that room asking questions of these witnesses during these depositions and i think it will obviously lead and always has been the intention of mr. schiff to hold public hearings, but this is very much like the inquiry phase that, for example, when president clinton

was subjected to impeachment, there was a special counsel who held hours and hours and hours of private interviews before there were public hearings on the facts gleaned. since there is no special counsel, this is the inquiry phase similar to what mr. starr did some time ago, but i do agree, and i probably would share some of the views of my republican colleague, mr. burn, that we're all better off when this is a public conversation and we focus on the facts. i do think there is a bet of hyperventilation on both sides around the process where we would all be better served sooner rather than later if we get to the public hearing phase of this. >> absolutely. >> and focus solely on the facts. >> no offense to you guys, but i care a lot less about you than i do about the 63 million americans who voted for president trump who want to hear openly what evidence there is against him and who want to hear

push back. i mean, as i mentioned to your colleague from alabama, there were some very critical things that ambassador taylor said, we saw his transcript. somehow that leaked out with no problem. all the negative stuff leaks out surprisingly from mr. schiff's group, whatever you call it, but the pushback doesn't leak out. and it looks like an attempt by the democrats to get that out and not the exonerating stuff. >> i'm not sure. first of all, it's not mr. schiff's group it's a committee of the-- >> that's not what the republicans say. if it's bipartisan, then they don't. >> it's in the group. >> they can't talk to each other, we don't hear what they're saying, congressman. we hear what you guys want to put out, that is the statement,

for example, of ambassador taylor, but we didn't hear any push back, we didn't hear any cross examination. >> well, that was ambassador taylor's statement. that information and all the opportunity to go deep into this information in a public fashion absolutely will happen. i don't think there's much doubt about that. >> when will it happen? do you have any idea? and originally wrap before thanksgiving? that doesn't look like that now? >> i personally don't know, i don't know the precise timing and i don't know that it will happen before thanksgiving, but i have been advocating that we get to this sooner rather than later. i think the american public would much rather see us deal with the facts of this situation rather than continuing to argue about process. i do wish, however, that some of the outrage that is being expressed about the process perhaps would be expressed about some of the facts that, in fact, have come out. i mean, let's face it, the underlying facts about the president's behavior should be

disturbing to democrats and republicans. >> well certainly mr. taylor's comments were disturbing, i encourage people to read the 15 pages of his testimony, there's a lot of disturbing information there, i don't know whether that's impeachable, up to the american public and up to the congress to decide. we had andy mccarthy thinking on if you think of the worst quid pro quo it may not be impeachable. still, 63 million people who voted for mr. trump who think that the people should decide. you're the representatives of the people and the people are more important than the representatives. >> there's no question about it and i think it will be crystal clear and people will be able to judge based on the facts that are now being gleaned through the inquiry process. >> you're in the wonderful city of flint, michigan which i know and love. what are your constituents tell you about this whole process?

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>> if invests are concerned about the impeachment inquiry, they sure have a funny way of showing it. all the markets rising with the s&p 500 right on verge of hitting a new all-time high.

so is there a message here for the whole country? let' ask our business panel, jackie, danielle, and gary. so we were talking to a congressman from flint, michigan, he's got skin in the game and thinks the impeachment inquiry is going well and the people in my hometown don't care about it, they care about important things like the strike ending. >> i give it on a scale of 1-100 about a 5, the markets. i think because markets know what's going on and what the potential is, what's the worse case scenario and everybody moves on. the business of this country is business. people go to work every day, wanting to do better for their family and themselves. and that's the order at this juncture. david: jackie, what happens if the house votes for impeachment and it goes to senate for a trial? then the market might react.

>> what happens if he for some reason is officially impeached by both bodies, both chambers and if he's removed. if he's not removed it doesn't make a difference. the reason the market is at all-time highs, put impeachment over here, it likes what it's seeing in terms of progress of china and where the bottom line is. everyone was worried about what's happening with china. it turns out no company is saying, i'm missing my numbers because i'm squeezed by china. it's not happening. david: you know, the other thing is that we do-- we've done this before. unfortunately, i think we do the impeachment thing a little too much. we did it with clinton. we all remember the market was just fine during the entire process. of course, clinton was not convicted in the senate, but he was-- the house did vote for impeachment. he was impeached and yet the markets did fine and he ended up, even though he was impeached at the end of his term he had a

60% approval rating. >> that's correct and president trump has a similar situation because clinton at that time, the economy was very strong and just like jackie stated, you know, the market moves strong earnings, the market loves a strong business cycle and that's what we have right now. so president trump has that behind him, and for that reason, why is the market going. david: but the market doesn't love higher taxes and more regulations. if any of this leads to the president not being reelected, gary, that means you're going to have the democrats, all the democrats who said they're going to raise taxes and give us more regulation. >> if we ever got warner or sanders in. david: even biden says he wants to eliminate fossil fuels. >> i think that's time trying to win over the let. he's more moderate. if you get to the general that will back up. if warner or sanders gets in, katie bar the door. i don't think they've got a shot. david: this week talking with joe biden, he suggested that he and president obama deserve

credit for the strong economy under president trump. >> donald trump inherited a strong economy from barack and me, things were beginning to really move and just like everything else, he's inherited, he's in the midst of squandering it. david: remember back in 2010 when then vice-president biden predicted the stimulus package would bring a summer of recovery. here is what he said. >> the truth of the matter is, recovery package talking about it's having, it's over. the truth is we're spending more now this summer, i'm calling this the summer of recovery. he claimed that they would get 500,000 new jobs every month in that summer. in fact, look what actually happened. turns out we lost more than 300,000 jobs over the entire summer, june, july and august in 2010. but to be fair, jobs did come back a little later. jackie, what do you think about it? he doesn't actually have that much bragging rights, does he?

>> unfortunately the opposite of what he said was true. they inherited an economy that could only go up with what happened with the housing crisis. the president inherited an economy that could only go down. he had a ten-year bull market sitting in his lap? what was he supposed to do with it. through policy he's getting the engine going more, which is difficult to do. when i hear the statements it's a little difficult as a market participant, somebody who watches the market to not roll your eyes. david: danielle, the lowest recovery since the great depression during the obama-- because let's face it, one of the first things president obama did was he raised taxes, increased regulations, exactly the opposite you're supposed to do if you inherit a recession. >> yes, that's correct and president trump, i mean, one of the main initiatives that he did was corporate tax cuts and that was something that helped the market as well, and so, for me, i hear that and i don't really believe it. the stock market loves president trump. it's been rallying under

president trump and i think that if the impeachment hearings end up with nothing we'll continue the strong. >> in the seventh year of obama they were still blaming bush for the slowness of the economic recovery and trump comes in and all of a sudden it's because of us. . let me say i'm not all in-- >> that's typical of politicians no matter which party they're from. >> for me the story, the king of regulations was barack obama and the fact that the rollback of regulations i think it's done a ton for businesses and how they feel about business. the ability to not have to look over their shoulders every day. i think that's done a ton. combined with the tax cuts, but again, one day we're going to have to deal with the debt and deficit. david: great panel. >> don't care just yet. david: and bernie bashing biden from taking money from big time denners? is this more about trump's money than biden's money? we do the math, you decide

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>> most 2020 democratic hopefuls in the key state of south carolina. and kristin fisher is in columbia, south carolina and see what's attracting the candidates there. >> hey, david. ten democratic candidates were supposed to be speaking at the forum, but now it's down to nine after cakamala harris pulled ou and she looked at only some of students were able to attend president trump's speech. and unfair treatment to the

impeachment inquiry that many african-americans face in the justice system. he pulled back. and yesterday i received a major award at the same event for being able to produce and sign into law major criminal justice reform legislation. he's referring to the first step act he signed into law last april and this forum is actually called the second step presidential justice forum, so, he does have a legitimate reason to be here, but harris says she will not be complicit in papering over his record, firing back on twitter, quote, my whole life i've fought for justice and for the people. something you'd know nothing about. the only part of criminal justice you can claim credit for is the criminal part. so harris will now be speaking to students at a different college here in columbia, south carolina today. as for the rest of the

democratic field, 10 candidates speaking at the forum-- excuse me, nine speaking in total up on deck, joe biden, bernie sanders, pete buttigieg, cory booker, john delaney, and a sign of how important this early state of south carolina is coming in this race and of course, david, today, big day, 100 days until the iowa caucus. david: it's amazing. it's happening so soon. >> i know. david: kristin fisher on a windy day in columbia, south carolina, thank you very much. >> what can you do? >> you did well, that's what you did. before heading to south carolina, bernie sanders was bashing joe biden for now accepting super pac money. listen. >> well, joe biden didn't have to convince me not to take aid from super pacs. >> i'm not going to be controlled by a handful of wealthy people, i'll be controlled by the working people

of this country. david: but biden's campaign says he has to compete with president trump's war chest being used against him. are they right? our political panel is back, kat, joseph and jeanie, good to see you all. jeanie, first of all, he has to worry about bernie sanders, biden does, more than trump right now because you look at the cash on hand. bernie sanders has about $33 million. joe biden just 8.9 million. >> joe biden has less than kamala harris on hand and that's a bad sign of the he's in fifth place for cash on hand right now and i think it's a big story about small donations and i think you hear bernie sanders saying, you may have thought that my health issues would put me out, but look it, i've got more money than all of you. i am back and by the way, with the small donors, you can go back to them repeatedly. they're giving 10, 20, $30. big donors much, much harder to do and we've seen big donors starting to shy away from joe

biden, we're a little iffy if he's going to have the momentum we'll put our money into. david: in the past he said he is not doing the big super pacs and now he's forced to. >> in a democratic primary in progressive party and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are making much of that. david: it's not just the money, but he's got to get more information out there and he doesn't have the money to do it. there was a piece yesterday about how democrats, despite the poll numbers that they're bragging about in public. in private they're very concerned about the trump jawinger naught once its-- juggernaut because you have hundreds of thousands and in facebook, jared kushner was involved in that and once that's put in play, biden could fall behind if he was the nominee. >> we're talking politics,

politics is viability and you could statistically say that joe biden is the strongest candidate to go head to head with president trump. i've said many times, his campaign hopes of being nominee is withering in the california sun. if he doesn't win iowa, the last democratic that didn't win iowa was bill clinton, going against a guy from hometown iowa and joe biden thinks he's got a firewall in south carolina, and that firewall won't be there the way it was in hillary clinton in 2008. >> speaking of south carolina. do we have the shot of tulsi gabbard. now, is she there with-- she was talking earlier about her spat with hillary clinton, who of course was accusing her of being a russian asset, or so it was first talked about. there's kind of this reconstruction of what she

actually said that maybe she's a republican asset, but then she called jill stein a russian asset. so, what's happening? are democrats destroying each other before they try, one of them tries to go against trump? >> yes, i think that maybe hillary clinton is a tulsi gabbard asset, based on how-- i mean, nobody was really talking about her, right? and then she made her headline news. we're all talking about her. it's hard to not take someone's side when the other side is baselessly accusing you of being a russian asset. i think that was the best thing that could have possibly happen for tulsi gabbard's campaign especially because she came back at her, she's really great at the comebacks, we saw that in the debate when she took down kamala harris, and she did the same thing with hillary clinton and she messed with the wrong lady and yet, she's kind of milking it and working well for her. david: and jeanie, leaves some to wonder, new york times and

washington post, whether there could be someone else who's not in. as if they needed another candidate. >> we need to be up to 25, 30. no, democrats do this every single election cycle. they have 24 viable candidates, they have that number. there is nobody else going to enter. they're talking about oprah winfrey. they're talking about-- >> the big one is michelle. >> michelle obama. david: michelle obama came in, that would probably be the most formidable opponent. >> absolutely. there was a poll that came out this month that said if michelle obama were to enter the race and she would enter as the front runner and i thought why the poll, why are you wasting time to do the poll? she said there's zero% chance you're running. that's kind after problem. >> the facts that democrats are talking to bloomberg to obama in the race is the disaster. if they don't talk about the 6 million people that have jobs now under president trump,

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>> i just talked to an l.a. county fire captain and he tells me the situation has improved significantly. the wind have died down allowing the firefighters to really get in there and control much of this fire. as of today, 25% of the fire has been contained, but at least 18 structures have been either damaged or destroyed, like this home here behind me. you can see if you look just at the back yard there, you can see all of the water, the debris, the burned wood and there's halloween decorations, so sad. you know, clearly this family, whoever lived here liked to celebrate, but now they're going through this tragedy. you can see the second floor of this building, all of that damage there. now, as of today, these new numbers show that the fire burned at least 4800 acres, the mandatory evacuation has been lifted for at least 20,000 people who live in this area. the l.a. county fire captain tell me they're working to get more people home today. at least 1300 firefighters are checking hot spots and

smoldering embers to stop this fire from spreading and with winds expect today pick up in southern california tomorrow, state officials are on high alert. >> the firefighters have been pre-positioning equipment and personnel. and more than 20,000 acres of vegetation, newsome says it's too early to point the finger at pg&e for the start of the blaze. regardless how it started there's more from the fires. >> and more in sonoma county. at least 2500 acres have burned and only 10% contained this fire, it's burning in remote steep terrain making it hard to put out. the utility company pg&e admits a fire line --

a line malfunctioned before the fire started, an investigation as of last check, the mandatory evacuation has not been lifted for at least 2300 people in that area. now, pg&e shut off power to thousands of residents and they're considering that power has been restored, but they're considering shutting off power to at least 850,000 customers in northern california anytime between now and sunday. so we'll just have to wait and see, back to you. david: christina coleman, thank you so much. to another hot spot in the world, syria. the u.s. now sending armored vehicles to the oil fields after turkey invaded the area. joining me is progressive evil author, bob mcginnis. consumer, thank you for being here. all the talks of bringing the troops home, it seemed to be exaggerated, didn't it? >> to a certain degree it is, david. clearly, we have national interests, engaged obviously in the middle east or the president

wouldn't be, you know, keeping people in the eastern part of syria to guard those oil wells, to keep them out of the hands of resurgence isis or iranian proxies. this is a volatile area now with the russians and the turks obviously involved in a very big way, we have to be watching because a lot of things could happen there. david: right. and the thing that concerns americans most, let's face it, is isis. the battles going on for centuries, we're never going to solve them, but we want to make sure that isis doesn't start its caliphate up again and the fact could we rely on the kurds after they think we let them down and pulling a few troops out, but enough to maybe give turkey the green light. i just want to quote one thing from dr. henry kissinger from way back in 1968 in way he said, it may be dangerous to be america's enemy, but to be

america's friend is fatal. do you think that bears any remembrance when we think of the kurds? >> well, certainly the kurds can resurrect that. so could the south vietnamese during the 1975 withdrawal of the u.s. you know, we are in a volatile area. the russians, obviously, when president, vice-president pence was over in ankara last week talking to erdogan, there was a deal struck. the turks have now said that they're going to honor the long-term cease-fire that they're not going to pursue the kurds outside of-- or inside this buffer. hopefully the kurds will retract themselves, but the real winner here, david, i would argue is russia to a large degree strategically. david: absolutely, absolutely. >> they've gained access. they've gained certainly economically and of course, their arms sales will ratchet up. david: and colonel, the irony here, you have to focus on that. turkey is a member of n.a.t.o.

n.a.t.o. was started up to prevent russian aggression and now turkey is working with russia. so, i mean, it's weird that they're even in n.a.t.o., turkey is. >> well, it is. and turkey -- i suspect if they get any closer as secretary esper said the other day, to russia, then we probably are going to have to insist that brussels where mr. esper was, begin to reconsider that membership. now, keep in mind, also, we have not only an air force base, but allegedly we have 50 of our crowned jewels sitting there that were there as an insurance policy to help the ankara government and now that may change. now, but russia is not going to get out of this easily. david: quickly. >> because it's going to be in the cross-hairs between iran, israel of course the radicals, extremist ins--

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>> so the typical american workday is eight hours at least, it's a lot more here in new york, but now a tech firm in germany is testing a five-hour workday. maybe it sounds good, there's a catch. employees can't use cell phones or social media so they will be more productive while they're there. does it sound like a good idea? back with me is kat and jonas max ferris on both sides. >> and passionately so. i get it would be only be five

hours, but the entire five hours you would be in hell. okay? no phones. phone in the backpack, what if there's an emergency, you think after good tweet? what if your boss is breathing down your neck the entire time. i know, their job is different as a tech firm, but as a writer, writers block, get out the phone, play a candy crush, i'm good to go. i would never ever ever want to do this. >> this is exactly what they're trying to stop is this millennial phone obsession, wasting half the way, checking out-- >> time you enjoy wasting is not wasted, jonas. >> okay. first of all, as a worker, if i was in that kind of a capacity, i would-- i like the european model where you work a low day and there's a lot of studies that working a five hour workday you're as productive, if you're careful about phone use and distractions, and you really concentrate as much productivity you're going to get out after worker, even a four-day work week. my problem with the study it

hasn't shown up in the numbers for the whole economy. germany already works a lower work week and they're per capita is lower-- >> more than that, it's negative right now. they're in the first stage of recession. >> this is where the study is flawed. singapore has a really good economy, but they work really long hours like americans. americans work long, very little vacation compared to the rest of european countries and it hasn't shown up as like the stock market benefits, profits, companies. it has worker satisfaction. david: i think i get where you're coming from. i'm more clear about where kat is coming from. i kind of agree with you, during the workday and we in new york, nobody works eight hours here, it's at least ten hours, you talk to cab drivers, they work at least 12 hours, but there's a cycle. you know, you need a little bit of down time to get the next up cycle. you need the cycles in there. >> and you need breaks.

and it says five hours, it would feel like, according to my calculations, five million hours, according to my study. >> and the idea is to get your break time at home and not in the office. and obviously would work in tech jobs. jobs: if you're a cabdriver, you need to work, and you can't have baristas work four hours day. >> you work at home a lot. >> i do. david: how much time-- i tried-- i did two years as a free-lance writer and i worked at home. the first year was awful because i would spend so much time getting up, cleaning this, getting up and doing that, and getting up. you don't -- when you're not forced to be concentrated on one thing, you don't do it. >> it's very tough work, and the dog always needs to be brushed. david: the dog, don't get me started on the dog. >> a lot of people work in the home so you've got to get good at it. david: did he convince you of anything? >> absolutely not. if you take my phone from me,

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this week to ban him for his handling of the parkland school shooting back in 2018. andr andrew pollack's daughter meadow was killed in the shooting. he wrote a book about it "why meadow died" and he joins us now. andrew, it's a tough subject, always is. and we're grateful? >> well, i think he's an embarrassment to all sheriffs or anyone who put a uniform on in law enforcement because the guy has no integrity and he's a shameless person to even trying to get his job back after the multitude of failures from 40 calls to the killer's house, without the killer ever getting arrested. he's the bso sheriff's office dropped the tip that the shooter was going to shoot up the school and they never followed up on it. to the day of the shooting,

dave, you know, not a lot of people know this, but eight deputies totally, in total, took a perimeter around the school while kids were getting shot and they never entered the building where coral springs p.d., there was a difference where they rushed the building, but it was too late for my daughter. david: now, five state senators in broward county voted to keep the sheriff in. why do you think they did that? >> there's some that have political ambition. it was pretty pathetic. people wouldn't believe me. in the district even where the school is, senator vote today reinstate and there's one senator that sticks out, her name is lauren book. her district is only a mile from the school, dave, but she sat on the msd commission and she was privy to more information than any other senator. she knew about all the failures and meanwhile, in her testimony, in the rules committee, she was

deceitful to all the other senators, because she knew the facts. she knew seven deputies didn't go in that day and she failed to mention that. she only mentioned one deputy. and she knew about all the calls to the killer's house, and she didn't mention that either. so i think, i don't know, they're deceitful, despicable, there's not enough adjectives to talk about these people and how, what they did to the families the whole week and you know, dave, all the families were united the parkland families regardless of their political affiliation. we didn't want that sheriff to be reinstated because it would put the whole community at risk and we were together on it and we were successful up until-- it was a stressful week, but at the end of the day, he failed at his position and wasn't reinstate snood. david: i'm really glad you got

through it, andrew. ki quickly, how does the spirit of your daughter live on through you in your life? >> she was a fighter, dave, and i fight for her, for accountability, all the people that failed her. it makes me sick to my stomach, the sheriff, the superintendent munsey at the school board, all the deputies that failed her. so, i fight for accountability because that's what she would want, dave, and that's all i have. you know, it's something that you can't explain because it's a dull pain that stays with you every day when you lose a child, but one by one i'm going to hold them accountable and lets all of our listeners know, but there's nothing i wouldn't do for my daughter. david: god bless you, andrew. and god bless meadow. andrew pollack. we'll be right back. oice aski, "is your daughter ok?" that's where i felt relief. we're the rivera family and we plan to be with usaa for life. see how much you can save

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