♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it was a moment thatwe should he united this fractious country, we could use it. instead it became more fodder for those who profit from our division. late saturday night, the trump administration announced the thanks to a successful military raid in northwest syria, the isis m leader abu bakr al-baghdi had been killed. >> he died after running into a dead-end tunnel whimpering and crying and screaming all the way. he was a sick and depraved man and he died in a vicious and violent way as a coward running and crying. he died like a dog.

he died like a coward. the world is now a much safer place. >> tucker: sickac and depraved, it turns out, is not an overstatement as the head of the isis caliphate, baghdadi ran one of the most gruesome death cult in human history. in syria and iraq, his father wasy. murdered untold thousands, beheaded them, drowned them, set them on fire, often on camera. in the u.s. and in europe come c up a terrorist pledging alliance to baghdadi kill hundreds and mass shootings, bombings and vehicle attacks so baghdadi's attack is really nothing less than a victory for civilization itself and yet here in washington, many complained that trump had dared to kill him. house speaker nancy pelosi whined that she hadn't been given appropriate notice of the operation, as if it were all about her. former obama national intelligence director james clapper meanwhile told television viewers that somehow the killing of the isis leader would make isis stronger. and then on cnn, some compared the president to, isis. >> there were lots of moments

during t donald trump's speech which jarred to some degree, some of which is sort of echoed friend with a crudeness ask, expect to hear from isis about the whimpering, screaming baghdadi pinned down in a steel tunnel. it was disturbing to her to some degree. >> doesn't upper level you don't celebrate death. i don't care if it's a terrorist, someone you hate. a human being has died, we don't celebrate that. >> i would not find it and tell mike -- it's embarrassing. >> tucker: i would not use that language, says the guy who's making a career out of using screaming and forming on television. on cnn.com, meanwhile, one of the supporters compiled a list of most shocking lines from his baghdadi announcement. reaching new lows every day. and then there was max boot, always the most arranged, probably because he is also thea dumbest. he complained that trump wasn't expressive, respectful enough of baghdadi. "from could not have heard whimpering and crying because there was no audio.

the assertion that baghdadi died as a coward was contradicted by the fact that rather than be captured he blew himself up. in other words, he says baghdadi was a hero of sorts and shame on trump for calling him a coward. that sounds kind of far out. you should know that msnbc devoted significant coverage to the question of whether baghdadi actually whimpered before he q died. >> he was talking about>> baghdadi's final moments. take a listen to this. >> he died after running into a dead end tunnel whimpering and crying and screaming all the wa way. >> but as you point out a piece there was no live audio from the raid, so square that circle for us. >> tucker: square that circle. beyond parity? that award goes to "the washington post" tonight. here so that paper chose to announce his death. "abu bakr al-baghdadi, auster religious scholar at the helm of islamic state, dies at 40."

that's one for the scrapbook, you can file it with other memorable headlines of history. goal oriented printed german leader from data. movie buff dies piece with 74. osama bin laden, husband of five, killed in invasion. so what is this about? ultimately you're watching the flailing of a leadership class that despises the country it governs. they loathe the elected president so much they are incapable of acknowledging any accomplishment no matter what it is. trump is bad, trump killed baghdadi, therefore killing k baghdadi was bad. that's how these purported geniuses actually think. they are purely reactive about everything, not just the death of terrorists. these are the very people who sat by idol he is our middle-class died and then china rose to take america's place as leader of the world. virtually alone among political figures, trump noted these things. what's going on, he said. he ran on those issues and he won and in response to that, rather than learn something, our

leadership class took the opposite side, they took the side of the fentanyl smugglers from mexico, the side of our mortal enemies in the fascist government of china. those are not positions you would take if you cared about your people, but at this point it's pretty obvious they hate trump far more than they love america. piers morgan is watching all of this w from across the oceans, editor at large for dailymail.com, a brit, but a keen observer of all things america. he joins us today. i know that you're not actually an agreement with the president on a lot of things, but assess, if you would come of the response from our press to this latest announcement. >> i am the side of the ocean, i'm in los angeles. >> tucker: even better! >> i was watching the world series last night and my mind went back to one osama bin laden was killed and i was in new york city that night. and i remember the reaction. i remember the reaction from everybody. there was widespread jubilation throughout new york, throughout washington, throughout america.

this was a unified response from a country jubilant at seeing thc end and the grisly demise of the leader of al qaeda. compare and contrast the reaction yesterday to the demise of baghdadi, who i would argue, legitimately i think, has committed even worse atrocities than bin laden. he may not be the motive of name but certainly the work done in his name of isis has been barbaric, despicable, heinous on any level. and his death should d have beea moment to celebrate a brilliant operation by american armed forces, a courageous and bold order to conduct the mission for the president of the united states and a moment for america to show the world that one they say they get tough with terrorism, they meant it. itit should have been a moment o plant the flag firmly -- the american flag on that stand of "we will not tolerate terrorism," but instead it has

become let's just blew the president of the world series. thousands of americans responding to his decision to conduct that mission -- let's respond by booing him. let's chant "lock him up." there is no middle ground, where you think about him, but the teoffice of presidency deserves more respect than i saw last night. particularly ines light of what had happened a few hours earlier. there is no comparison, tucker, between donald trump and baghdadi. baghdadi ran an organization that liked to burn people alive in cages. they liked to throw gay people off rooftops they like to kidnap and rape thousands of women. if they to eliminate vast swaths of their rival muslims. they bombed and massacred and shot their way around the world, committing appalling atrocities against people in paris, in

nice, in london, killing kids at pop concerts, running people over on the promenade. let's not forget what this guy was. so yesterday should have been a great day for america and a great day for the world. instead, the narrative is "let's try and find where trump went wrong in the way he spoke about this." let's try and find a way that makes trump look bad. and by doing that, the message sent to the world is america is bad. this is not a good day, this is a bad day. i don't get it. >> tucker: i don't either but it's worth figuring out what's going on because it's almost like a rorschach blackberry i just want to save our viewers, you've had many disagreements with drum, you're not a trump acolyte or suck up in any sense at all, but you see this happening in your first reaction is of course that's a good thing. but there are a lot of people here in washington to whom that wasn't clear, so what does that say about them? >> well, i was on twitter as rumors were bubbling about what this was when president trump in his tweet saying something big has just happened and people

were beginning to guess it migha be baghdadi and in that moment i already saw the reaction from what i would call the more deranged liberals of america. boiling themselves up, not in jubilation of what has happened, but in fury that somehow trump may have done something right, that he may deserve some legitimate credit, and that was simply unconscionable. they were not going to allow that to happen and ever since this it has not been what it should be, which is the destruction of -- by the way, i take great pleasure and celebrated the death of baghdadi. this is one of the worst terrorists in modern times. i am glad he's gone. i actually quite enjoyed the gory details the president gave, about that sniveling coward's last few seconds on this earth, i did enjoy it because i want him gone, i want him to stop maiming and killing people. it let's put that on the record. but what does it say about these

liberals, these so-called liberals. what i called illiberal liberals. they stand for the complete antithesis of liberalism. if they don't believe in free speech, they don't believe in tolerance or fairness or anything. they just believe right now in screaming at anyone that doesn't fit their narrow worldview, there narrative of events and when that is applied to something like the death of baghdadi, the leader of isis, it is a shocking moment. i thought last night, frankly, was shameful. thousands of americans who thought that was the right way to respond, it shames themselves and they shamed their country. >> tucker: i thinknk that's exactly right, piers morgan, thank you for that, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: an attorney, former u.s. army captain and we think a reliable voice on questions of foreign policy, great to see you. >> great to be back. >> tucker: put this in context for us, what does this mean for the united states? we are impressed by the

operat itself? >> absolutely. killing abu bakr al-baghdadi it was a victory for the united states and it was a great day for all americans whether on the left, the right or the center. but instead, some in the media and the left, although i repeat myself, seem to be incapable of viewing an issue outside the prism of what is good for donald trump is bad and what is bad for donald trump is good and so immediately after the story broke you saw a cascade of attempts to either downplay the significance of the mission or to find a negative angle from which to spin it. john harwood from cnbc, for example, compared killing baghdadi to killing an ant. cnn this morning had a story on the home page called "how does killing baghdadi affect the impeachment inquiry." and of course -- >> tucker: actually had that? >> not even kidding, on the front page. and of course you have max boot, who takes the cake, as he normally does, with stupidity and decided to defend baghdadi from the charges of being a coward.

>> tucker: stand up for the f manly u virtues of baghdadi. >> let's take a step back here. he ran down a tunnel with three children as human shields. they got to the end of the tunnel and he was cornered and he blew himself up in the children with him. that's not anything other than cowardice. but yet we go back to this prism of what donald trump -- what's good for donald trump is bad and what's bad for donald trump is good too many on the left and you follow that to its logical conclusion and there you have max boot somehow defending the leader of isis. if you find yourself defending the leader of isis, you should take a long walk, take the fedora off, look in the mirror and rethink some things. >> tucker: when you find yourself hating trump more than you love america -- very quick, give us the perspective of the guys who did this. what do they think of this? >> i don't want to speak for them in particular, but i can tell you that anytime you take a major player like baghdadi off

the battlefield, anytime you have a major success like that, it's huge for morale and it sends a message that no matter where you are, the united states is going to come hunt you down and bring them to justice, andn they did that and they deserve all the credit in the world. >> tucker: even if you're underground in northern syria. great to see you tonight, thank you for that. joe biden's presidential campaign -- we are not trying to be mean here -- is struggling. having the endorsement of the america's most popular democrat seems like it would be a boost but accordingic to biden he doesn't even want the endorsement, watch this. >> why hasn't president obama endorsed you? you guys served for eight years. >> i want to earn this on my own. >> did he offer to endorse you? >> we didn't even get there. i asked him not to and he said okay. i think it's better, i think he thinks it's better for me. >> tucker: he thinks it's better, i asked him not to endorse me. joe biden's presidential campaign is already the saddest thing that's ever happened in american politics, but somehow he's working hard to make it even sadder. richard goodstein is an attorney and former advisor to bill and hillary clinton and he joins us

tonight. so richard, if we could just dispense with this sad psychodrama here, do you think it's possible that the former vice president called barack obama and said please don't endorse me? >> he said this back in april whenid he announced, look, let's keep this in perspective. ronald reagan, as you know, did not endorse george h2b bush until may of 1988, after it was clear he was going to be the nominee. >> tucker: was that because bush asked him not to? >> one dwight eisenhower -- when he was running as the vice president to succeed eisenhower, as you know, eisenhower famously said give me a week and i will see if i can thinkiv of one. in contrast, barack obama like that could give you a whole list of everything that joe biden -- >> tucker: barack obama has contempt for joe biden because -- for demographic reasons. he had contempt for him in the white house, ask anyone around biden, he was badly treated byba the obama people. no one ever talked about it but that's real, ask around. my question is not why is he not

endorsing, my question is why is biden telling us that he asked obama not to endorse them when that's obviously not true. >> look at all the pictures of the hogs, the fact that their kids and grandchildren had sleepovers together. this was a real friendship. i would defy you to show one picture of donald trump and mike pence in that same kind of -- >> tucker: it let me just say because i actually know this, some of the family members were close, that is absolutely true, but biden himself was treated like a factotum by a lot of the obamath people, that's also tru. here's the point -- i'm not going to force you to answer the question you're not going to answer. he's lying to us, it sat, the whole campaign is set, he's not going to be the nominee. what does that mean for basically moderate democrats? the biden thing is not working for you, what happens? are you really going to support elizabeth warren? >> again, pardon me, but joe biden wants to win back from the grassroots up, not the top down and if obama did endorse him and somebody else won, that person is -- obama is --

>> tucker: i live in his country, i'm not for some crazy person getting the nomination. i'm not attacking joe biden. i feel sad the whole thing is imploding. what are you going to do when it does implode? >> i think it's amazing that joe biden with all of this ukraine stuff is actually held up as well as he did and iai wod point out the last ten democratic contested nominations, the person in first in the pollsra in december won a grand total of three times. howard dean was first. john kerry was sixth in december '03 and 5 weeks later carrie has the nomination locked up so i think we just don't know. could cory booker win? he might. >> tucker: if cory booker wins we all have to leave the country so don't even say things like that. you know that's true. let me ask you if biden doesn't get it -- i'm not rooting against biden, not being mean. but if he doesn't, where does that leave noncrazy nonsocialist democrats? are there really going to support elizabeth warren? that's a sinceret question. >> i'm saying we just don't know if that happens, if biden somehow falls away -- and i

think against the odds, he hasn't, but if he does, i don't know whether there's going to be a coalescing around in amy klobuchar, cory booker, michael bennet, who i am actually supporting. it's possible, again, given the history, we just don't know and i think any democrat out there watching who supports some buddy who is a nonsocialist, keep supporting them because you just don't know how things are going tociau break. >> tucker: a look, i never refer anything having to do with the democratic party because i think it's corrupt i am rooting for america and i want -- d is going to be democraticic nomine, i wanted to be the most reasonable person it can be. >> let's hope. >> tucker: richard, thank you. >> sure. >> tucker: record number of americans say their open to informatics socialism, most people young,tl why? part of the reason, the main part of the reason, is because the college system exploits and destroys young people. it's an existential threat to this country. a if the student loan crisis at the heart of it. we will explain it after the break. ♪ prior to going to aspen dental

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♪ >> tucker: that you may be happy with the state of the u.s. economy, but many young people are not and as a result of that, a lot of them are embracing political extremism. a poll released today finds that half of all millennials and even more of the generation that follows them distressed capitalism. fully 70% of millennials say they would be willing to vote for a socialist. if you're not shocked by this, it's only because you have seen it before. polls like this appear to be everywhere all of a sudden and that ought to scare you. it's taken us almost 250 years to build this country. we could wreck it in a single generation. at this rate, we will. polls like this predict a

looming disaster. in order to prevent that, we need to be clear about what has gone wrong. you often hear it said that young people support socialism because they've been brainwashed by the professors and of course there is truth in that. if you've got kids in college you know that we have blessed the most vital job in america, educating the next generation of citizens to some of the most mediocre people in our society. that's a huge problem.o we need to fix it, but believe it or not it's not the main problem. the main problem, the reason that capitalism increasingly is discredited and socialism increasingly is popular is that our current system is making young people poor. go to college, we tell them, you'll be successful if you do. but too often that adviceul is outdated, if not an outer live. huge numbers of our kid wind up impoverished by the experience of college, their dreams the word forever the reason for that is data. 45 million americans now labor under student loans. the average debt burden is

$37,000 per person. that's the price of a brand-new car. imagine starting your first job without hanging over you. and keep in mindve that college debt isn't like ordinary debt next to a well-funded lobbying campaign, student loans cannot be erased by bankruptcy. they last forever. many of today's college freshmen can expect to spend their working lives paying interest on loans that in the end didn't help them at all. so no wonder young people aren't getting married or buying homes orde having children.av they can't afford to and no wonder so many of them support bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. if this is capitalism, they don't want any part of it. the irony, of course, is that the only people benefiting from this i current system are on the far left, the smirking college presidents with multimillion dollar salaries. the authoritarian university administrators on the suddenly ubiquitous diversity and inclusion offices. the tenured professors of nonbinary feminist poetry and

other perverse and pointless fake academic disciplines. as a group, these are without question the least impressive people in this country. and yet they're the only ones coming out ahead in this deal. they are feasting on our children's debt. an entire generation of americans enslaved to interest payments so that a small number of left-wing academics can have lifetime employment making this country worse. that's the arrangement with struct. for the rest of us, socialism. that's what we are going to get out of it in reaction to it. there's got to be a better way to do things. some on the left propose forgetting student loans entirely, which is to say sticking american taxpayers with the bill for all of this. if there's one thing that could make a terrible situation even worse, if that. taxpayers didn't cause this problem, they shouldn't be punished anymore than they already have been. the corrupt higher education establishment concocted this scam. they should pay to fix it. harvard's endowment is

$40 billion. yale's endowment is 30 billion, so let's startbi there. what's clear is that we need to move the crushing financial burden of student debt off the shoulders of middle-class families and 22-year-olds and back to the people who have gotten rich fromnd it. that's an idea that every sensible person can support and in fact there's a big political payoff for any politician wise enough to adopted. the candidate who promises to make colleges ease the student loan burden will without question be the next president of the united states. and samuel has spent a great deal of time in academic america, a former supreme court clerk among other things and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so because ae small group of greedy, totally mediocre liberals have wrecked the u.s. economy, the rest of us get socialism. does that seem fair to you? >> well, obviously i like the idea of everybody getting

socialism, but i was intrigued by one part of your proposal, which is i do like the idea of making the people who caused the problem pay for it. and i do wonder if there is real promise in the idea of saying, look, these endowments are big and rich, much bigger and richer than the debt load of all the students out there who are sort of carrying this burden, so let's make a deal, right? we will have free public colleges and universities and we will relieve the student debt burden of all of the people who were sort of hoodwinked into participating in thewi system in the first place and, not for nothing -- i don't want to forget this, by the way, the real people who really get screwed by the system are the people who are chased off of going to college in the first place because they don't thinknk they're going to be able to afford it and they don't want that crushing debt burden and i think that they are a professionally done my perfectly reasonable target to strip with the rest endowments. >> tucker: so why is it -- you're getting warmer, in my opinion, but why is it that all the student radicals are always telling me how radical they are -- so radical -- and they

are of course just devoted to and protecting the ruling class of course, whether they know it or not, but none of them ever suggest this seizing just seizing the endowments. 30 billion. why doesn't anybody ever stand up and say we are taking our endowment and we are using it to pay off student debt? nobody ever says that. why? >> will sometimes all you need to do to move the window is to suggest an out loud a few times. to be honest, i have actually connected the two. i like that idea too it's amazing how fast the stuff and work so i think that's a perfectly reasonable idea and i think it's a reasonable idea for all sorts of debt that exists out there. >> tucker: if trump wants to get reelected -- if he really wants to get reelected he will suggest that, because who's against that? but i bet you 20 bucks that none of the radicals out there -- ekstrom suggested, will be forld it. >> i don't know about that because i think we may have a slightly different idea of what counts as radical but what ide will say is -- i was thinking

about this the other day, it feels a little unfair if you are for example going to have a gun buyback program, what is the taxpayer have to pay for that? why shouldn't you confiscate the profits of the gun companies?ro this is sort of in that spirit. you caused this problem, you have a nice house, may be some of these people should get some of these profits. it's restitution, in other words. i know you're not going to love the gun companies thing -- >> tucker: nobody hurts this country more than the academic establishment. that's the reason an entire generation isn't getting marrie married. isn't having kids. we are going to see a demographic collapse and that's bad, by the way, if you care about america you want it citizens of all backgrounds to be fruitful and multiply and get married. and they can't because a small group of left-wing creeps is taking all the money, they are losing america, so why does elizabeth want -- -- defend them? >> what i hear there is a very good financing proposal for universal public child care. these are big endowments and we

may have some left over after we're done forgiving of all the student debt. >> tucker: they don't want to hire someone from the third world to raise their own -- parents want to raise their own kid. how about even more radical, let's have an economy where one parent can support a family? >> that sounds good, and i will do you one better, universal allowance for a parent who stays home to take care of a child? pay them for that work? >> tucker: i would be for that. now we are agreeing. >> this is producing an unusual level of consensus. although i don't think my oldon college at harvard are going to love it. >> tucker: i don't think they're going to like it, sorry. well, for decades the americanan left shied away from socialism even as it took off around the globe. we are not socialist, they say, we're just liberals. now the situation is reversed. socialist governments are collapsing around the world because the economics don't work, we know that for certain, but here in theco united states, democrat after democrat proudly pushes a socialist agenda. >> i tell you what i believe in terms of democratic socialism, i agree with what goes on in canada and in scandinavia

guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. >> i think undocumented people need to have a means by which they can be covered when they are sick. >> raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. [applause] [cheers and applause] >> okay. >> tucker: author and columnist mark steyn joins us. so with the perspective that you have on the rest of the world, you're seeing lots of even the left in europe saying maybe open borders doesn't work. maybe we can't afford a d welfae state for the entire world and yet why is that message not filtered down to liberals in our country? >> because i think there is a huge constituency for it and i think it's very different from the way socialism took off in europe, forr example. socialism got hold because you were a coalminer and your family had been coalminer's for generations and you were going to be a coalminer all your life

so you wanted to organize, to protect the economic security of being a coalminer and just as in the modern era america has helped china find the only economically viable form of communism, so at home it has had a knock on effect and we now have a kind of prosperous people who have had one of the most privileged upbringings of all who are socialists because, as you were talking about with your previous guest, they spend six and a half years getting a worthless piece of paper which leaves them with six figures of debt, so that means that they enter adulthood at her later. we now have huge numbers of people in their late 20s and early 30s still living with their parents. traipsing up the stairs every night to the same bedroom they slept and when they were seven

with the teddy bear wallpaper and a longer -- so we have deferred adults would and when you maintain people inho adolescence, it's not surprising that an essentially adolescent political philosophy like socialism retains a grip on the them. 1970, i think it was 60 -- >> tucker: can i just pause and acknowledge that's deeper than anything i've acknowledged in a long time? that is so smart and you're right. >> it goes back to what you are saying about family formation. in 1970, 70% of 25-year-olds were married and had a family and that's fallen by more than half. in other words, the church hill line about how if you're not a liberal 20, you have no heart and if you're not a conservative at 40 you haveve no brain, with actually extended that lower limit so that by maintaining people as children until their

late 20s and early 30s, why be surprised that something like socialism has an ever greater purchase on them? >> tucker: it's totally true but we are robbing them of life's great pleasure, which is becoming an adult. >> absolutely, absolutely, and that's at the core of it. and en's solution, if we just had more government credits for this so you could hire somebody from yemen or venezuela to look after your child -- that doesn't correct the problem. >> tucker: a no, hiring other people to raise her kids is not the answer to these problem. great to see you tonight, thank you so much. >> thanks a lot. >> tucker: in case you been gone for the last several years, not so long ago, all of official washington insisted the russia hoax was absolutely real. now they'rea demanding we beliee that the investigation into that hoax is fake, it's a conspiracy theory. okay. we will get details after the break. ♪ ♪

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>> tucker: the russia collusion hoax wasted millions and millions of dollars but much worse than that even it wasted a lot of time and the final remaining reservoir of goodwill in washington. for two years congress was paralyzed by a witch hunt, they are the bed. the tape will live forever in infamy until youtube scrubs ad, which i'm sure they will at some point. within the credibility we saw of the fbi, the cia and other institutions, the institutions we need, was destroyed. figuring out how all that happened is critical if we want to restore public trust in our system, if we want a system or thrusting but official washington does not want that to happen. they hate and fear the idea of the investigation so without any sense of irony they're telling us the whole thing is a conspiracy theory. >> the justice department is pursuing a criminal investigation into its own investigators, elevating what had been widely denounced as a conspiracy theory.

>> from baseless conspiracy theory about the 2016 election. >> he's running around based on a conspiracy theory of what happeneded in 2016. >> traveling the globe in an effort to dig up truths of a conspiracy theory. >> reviving a discredited conspiracy theory about what happened in the 2016 campaign. >> go to this quote from a deep conspiracy theory the president has been pushing for a long tim time. >> tucker: some of the same personal grievances of conspiracy theories have also feel the interaction with ukraine. >> isn't that what sort of got the administration in trouble in the first place? >> it is, and it's a conspiracy theory. >> the president says he was the victim of a deep state spy operation in 2016, a conspiracy theory the attorney general has embraced. >> tucker: ever notice how politicians and journalists use exactly the same talking points? congressman devin nunes has noticed that, he's been at the heart of the russia probe since the very beginning and knows better than anyone what official washington didni to reverse the

2016 election. that story is told in a new book, the plot against the president, the true story about congressman devin nunes, uncover the biggest political scandal in history, by lee smith, which at this hour apparently is number one on amazon which tells you a lot. congressman joins us tonight, thanks so much for coming on. because thank you, the title is very kind but there's a lot of people that did a lot of great work. >> tucker: i'm going to read it. it lee smith is a credible importer. tell me what you make of journalists in washington demanding that we stop asking questions. our default has always been we want to know more. that's our job. and yet there telling us no more questions. why are they telling us that? >> it's even worse. you had on the conspiracy theories. they are chasing daily conspiracy theories on this ukraine hoax so what i've been trying to tell my colleagues, if these are mainstream reporters and they're out there asking you questions about conspiracy theories, about trump and what do you think about -- did you send anybody to this place --

every day is a new conspiracy theory and when i walked in the halls i have to continue to that, look, i'm not going to talk to you in this lifetime or the next, because these aren't real reporters, they are assassins. they are assassins that are taking information from the democrats and the intelligence committee and they are spreading it out there. >> tucker: they are dnc operatives. >> their operatives, yet. we need a free press, we need a free and fair press but that's not what we have today. >> tucker: on the show we are not always rushing reflectively to defend trump on everything, i don't work for trump. i say what i think. these people work for the democratic party, they are hacks. so let me ask you, why don't we know at this late date what exactly happened? why haven't we seen, to name one among many examples, the full fisa applications? >> so that's waiting o horwitz, fisa applications specifically. gathering all the evidence, it's finished. he notified congress that it's finished. he said last friday i believe that it's going to have very few

reductions, so that would tell me that we are going to get to see a lot of what went into that fisa. when you go to the broader investigation, why did mueller spend $30 million and not get to the bottom of what actually happened? look, and i think this really needs to happen, there are investigators and lawyers that were on the mueller team that also have to be looked at, because if they didn't get to some of the stuff that durham is going to get to the bottom of an horwitz is going to get to the bottom of, i think we have a lot to be about.ed just today another breaking news, there's always breaking news every single day on this subject, but general flynn, who was maligned and lee talks about in his book, he was maligned back in 2014. they really maligned him in 2016, said he had this russian girlfriend. it was all nonsense. so finally today a judge canceled the flynn hearing, so

i'm hopeful that the judge will read what flynn's lawyers now have put in front of the judge and hopefully the judge will throw this out. this is not a way to treat a war hero. >> tucker: of course not. meanwhile -- he's not the only one. next week roger stone is going on trial in this city, likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. >> that's going to be questionable, we will see what happens with that.t. there's a lot more i think to be learned on that case too. >> tucker: thanks as always for coming on tonight, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure as always. >> tucker: a revolution under nbc news. a couple of their honor hosts are openly defying their bosses, the same bosses who covered up the crimes of harvey weinstein. where is this going? we will give you the very latest next. ♪ if you have medicare, listen up.

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>> tucker: it's been almost two years since reporter ronan farrow broke the harvey weinstein story and for those twon years, nbc's have denied ay wrongdoing. we had nothing to do with it, they said, despite overwhelming evidence that has mounted year-by-year that they killed that story. now the on-air talent over there at nbc appear to be so angry they can no longer contain themselves. just last week chris hayes on the air suggested that their denials are not credible. chris hayes is the guy who was opposite us at 8:00. now rachel maddow, who's got the 9:00 p.m. show on msnbc has joined the revolt. on friday she announced that she had independently confirmed the chief allegation against nbc. watch this. >> acquisitions the people in positions of authority in this building may have been complicit in some way in shielding those guys from accountability.

those accusations are very, very hard to stomach. as to whether or not ronan farrow was told to hit pause on any new reporting at a time when nbc didn't think there was enough to go to air with, we have independently confirmed that nbc news did that, that that did happen, he was told to pause his reporting. >> tucker: senior correspondent for variety joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so it seems like this would be the beginning, rather than the end of the conversation. there's rachel maddow, one of the most prominent female anchors at the company saying yes, it's true, our companyr covered up for harvey weinstein. how can that be the end of it? >> it can't be, and this is a about this whole saga and spoke about her network live on air. she spent and dedicated three segments to it and then brought ronan farrow on the air, who we

know has not really appeared much on nbc's air. he says that they don't want them there. so this cannot be the end of it. the fact that she came out here with guns blazing and spoke out against her bosses, she very muchch told reviewers what the climate is like at that buildin building. that's a huge deal. it's pretty much unheard of for anchors to go on and report about their networks on the air. we seen that happen numerous networks throughout the #metoo movement but for rachel maddow to do do the scum of the most prominent anchor, that's a big deal, but she also knows that she is safe there, she has their top ratings, she can't be fired, this is quite a statement not just for her but really for her staff. when i saw this i thought to myself rachel maddow knows what her staff is feeling, they are angry, they'res confused, they are quite possibly living in a climate of fear, that's what i've heard from sources. she's doing this, she's really speaking for her staff as well. >> tucker: it's not a mystery as to how this happened or who did it, no oppenheimer did it. the head of news division over

there shielded harvey weinstein. so my question is you've got noncrazy people at the helm higher up, roberts at comcast, where everyone says is a decent person. steve burke, the ceo of nbc universal. why has no one asked them what nethey think of this and why thy are continuing to employ thesehi guys? >> comcast, they have stood by him. they stood by and he lacked, stood byys nbc news. i was on your show when i broke the story of variety with them at lower allegations two years ago in 2017. nbc news at that time released a statement that says we knew nothing about lower. we found out about the allegations, a woman came to hr, now we know that woman was brooke nettles and we fired within 24 hours. if they've been saying the same thing, they've been singing the same to them for two years. it's hardye not to backtrack and say just kidding, what we set for two years actually isn't the truth. >> tucker: so how about oppenheimer is profiting from hawking products on the air and

is selling screenplays to hollywood while he supposed to be running a news division? is the kind of anything he can do that's too much? >> that has obviously been a complaint people pointed out, that he was a a screenwriter of jackie and of course there's been rumors and s ronan farrow s alluded to this, is that why he was kind of in bed with harvey weinstein? that has been denied. and comcast, you know they have released statements in support of them, so they seem to be sticking by the bosses. i think that's why we see chris hayes, i think that's why we see rachel maddow going on air because they are having a similar reaction to you and many of the viewers i'm sure who are going how does this make much sense? >> tucker: if you're brian robison you're onnyi the treadml and you're looking up and this is happening in your thinking why do i need this? i don'ted know. >> i think that's exactly where rachel maddow said that, because look, she knows that she's fine, she knows with those ratings that she will be protected and i think that quite frankly she's

pissed off, this doesn't make sense, i want answers, i've been confused, give me answers, that's what she gets them.r: >> tucker: it reflects poorly on everybody who works there. thank you so much, but to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: a former mumble of a thruple. an update on the katie hill story, pretty amazing while it lasted, stay tuned. usable

>> tucker: katie hill is humbled but she's not defeated. america's most famous polyamorous lawmaker is leaving the u.s. congress with her head held high. in fact, on a sassy note. she's breaking news. correspondent trace gallagher has the latest. >> tucker, following a series of reports on the so-called throuple, hill vowed to fight on then came reports of an affair

with her legislative director and last night katie hill made her decision saying her resignation was the hardest thing she's ever done but it was best for her constituents, community and country but katie hill claims now that she's the victim of revenge pon. a reference to compromising photos that surfaced along with the news of her throuple. watch. >> some people call this electronic assault. digital exploitation. others call it revenge pon. as the victim of it i call it one of the worst things we can do to our sisters and our daughters. i am grateful to all of you who have spoken out about this in recent days. >> katie hill says she is reviewing her legal options though it should be noted that she admitted to the throuple, and those involved both say it

was hill who was abusive to them. house speaker nancy pelosi said errors in judgment mean she cannot continue her service as a member of congress. >> tucker: hannity is next. >> busy hannity tonight. we start with amazing, great good news. >> sean: great for the news business. the cold-blooded, the evil, mass murdering terrorist known as abu bakr al-baghdadi is now dead. this radical isis chief blew himself up after a top-secret raid by our elite u.s. special forces who chased the cowardly terrorist into a corridor with a dead-end. president trump watched the operation play out real time on a live stream and he described baghdadi's final moments. take a look. >> the thug