jon scott, thanks to you, as well. >> jon: bill hemmer will be back tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: and we begin with a fox news alert. president trump taking on the latest witness in the house democrat impeachment inquiry after his prepared testimony revealed he had concerns about the president's ukraine call at the center of the investigation. and i had contemporaneously reported them. army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who served as a director on the national security council, told lawmakers he did not think it was "proper to demand a foreign government to investigate a u.s. citizen." and that he relayed those concerns to the nsc's top lawyer. he is the first white house official actually on that july 25th call to testify. president trump tweeted this this morning -- "why are people that i never even heard of testifying about the call? just read the call transcript, and the impeachment hoax is

over. ukraine said no pressure." you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. and fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. in the center seat, executive vice president and chair of business finance at the kings college in new york city, brian brenberg. he is "outnumbered." we will get to it all in just a second. let's go straightaway to our chief intelligence correspondent, catherine herridge, who is live on capitol hill. this is fluid. catherine? >> that's right, harris. good afternoons. colonel vindman matters because he's from the national security council. he is a military officer, and according to his prepared remarks for the deposition, he has first-hand direct knowledge of this july 25th phone call between the president and the newly elected ukrainian leader. heading into the deposition today, colonel vindman did not take reported questions. fox news has been reaching out to vindman since mid-october to ask him if he has any knowledge

of how the contents of any classified phone call involving the president got to the whistleblower. he has not responded to those questions. in his prepared remarks for lawmakers, he says "on july 25th 2019 the call occurred. i listened in on the call in the situation room with colleagues from the nsc." thus national security council. "on the office of the vice president. as the transcript is in the public record we are all aware of what was said. i was concerned by the call. i did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen." that the reference to the bidens. "and i was worried about the applications for the u.s. government support of ukraine." earlier today, house democrats accused their colleagues of defining what they characterize as the president's indefensible actions. but republicans say the vindman testimony is overblown. >> people have said that today is the first time we will get to hear from someone who was actually on the phone call, and that's not accurate. we've already heard from

president trump and president zelensky. the fundamental fact has never change. >> of this is about the united states constitution. this is about the rule of law. this is about the national security and the abuse of power. this is about the fact that the president betrayed his oath of office and the american people. also, he undermined the integrity of our elections by soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election. >> well, vindman did not take fox's questions earlier today, s that he is not there whistleblower in this complaint, harris. >> harris: catherine herridge, thank you very much. as we bring it out to the couch. is this relatively a big day, or is it kind of what you expected? >> brian: well, it's a big day in a sense that yet another person on the call who is going to talk. the reason it's not a big day, the problem is that especially for someone like this, i want to know with the

cross-examination looks like. i don't just want to know his perspective. i want to know -- okay, that's what you tell us. you perceive why. what about this, what about tha that? the leaks, the prepared transcript. what does it add to the conversation at the end of the day until we actually get that? >> harris: i'll double down with you a little bit, because i know as a professor you are studying this differently than the rest of us are probably looking at it. as far as impeachment inquiry goes, you get the resolution today. we are told by this afternoon nancy pelosi will give us the text of that resolution. they will do their impeachment vote. that opens up for republicans to be able to call witnesses, issue subpoenas, so on and so forth. >> brian: and to be able to get more of a public hearing on what someone like today's witnesses going to say, and hear that cross-examination in real time. it's not just a process question. everyone is saying that. no, the process affects the substance. the substance we are getting is a matter or a function of how this has been carried out.

again, today, this testimony is going to be marred by the same problem. we are not going to get to hear the good, legitimate questions from the other side. >> harris: dagen, is this good for the president in the sense this pushes the ball forward and doesn't allow democrats to high hijack without hearing from the other side, the conversation, for longer? >> dagen: is going to be good in the sense that, to brian's point, you are talking about "once the resolution is voted on." be when i haven't talked to democrats or republicans who don't think this will pass in te house. because of the majority democrats, and we don't know of any holdouts at this point that would stop it. >> dagen: right. in terms of -- again, you get daylight on this. again, with the lieutenant colonel's deposition, testimony, whatever you want to call it, this is an interpretation of the phone call that we have a memorandum of. he needs to be asked, "did you

share the contents of the communications with anyone?" because that would be a leak in classified information, potentially. again, all of these witnesses deserve to be -- assuming we are going to use legal terms -- cross-examined. to that extent, it will be beneficial. but what has gone on, smart, crafty nancy pelosi and the democrats, because they kept the secret, you push the voters toward being in favor of impeachment to the point that then you can open it up. but she wanted to get the poll numbers pretty clearly on her side before they ever took a vote. >> harris: jessica, let's talk about this witness today. you heard brian saying it's a big day because it's another person on the call that we will hear from you. but outside of that, we won't know exactly what that person has said. >> jessica: no, we have a statement just like we had bill tailor's opening statement, 15 pages last week. both devastating for the

president and his defenders. it's been unsurprisingly, but disappointingly, attacks on lieutenant colonel vindman that we've seen. last night on the laura ingraham's program, accused of espionage. john duffy talked about dual loyalty to ukraine. this man's story is the ultimate immigration story. it's one we should all be praising. he is a patriot, he has served our nation for 20 years, and the fact the president's supporters feel comfortable going out there and tearing him down and talking about hearsay, this man is corroborating what we have heard from the memorandum of the call, the president on national television, mick mulvaney on national television, bill taylor, also a veteran. fiona hill, as well. >> melissa: if you have that much evidence, why is this continuing behind closed doors to meg not go out and do it -- if the mountain of evidence. >> jessica: it's only taken three and a half weeks to get there. the republic's are disingenuous,

saying going behind closed doors, and i get a chance for their 47 are public in such code >> melissa: you are not answering my questions. why not bring it into the open? >> jessica: they are. >> melissa: i'm saying, vote on it efficiently don't like officially. >> jessica: that is what's happening. >> melissa: no, they're voting on the inquiry, not actual impeachment. i'm saying, if there's a mountain of evidence, get going. >> jessica: but they are getting going. >> melissa: no. >> jessica: yes, this is the beginning of the open air trial, essentially, in the democratic house. which we know about passed. >> melissa: to brian's point, though, when you talk about how honorable this man is, probably. but i need to see that person. in washington, sadly, i don't trust anybody anymore. on any side of the aisle. >> jessica: do you think this is the same guy? >> melissa: no, i'm not saying that. i want to hear with my own ears. we are at the point in our country, if somebody goes up and testifies to something that will try and reverse an election, i

need to hear it with my own ears. i don't trust people's interpretations. >> dagen: are not sitting here, jessica, disparaging this man's character, his record. to say that people on the other side of the aisle can't question or ask about or delve into his motives, his background, his interpretation of this call -- >> harris: and that's why you want a fair process. so everybody gets the opportunity to do that. >> dagen: exactly. >> harris: governor huckabee told me yesterday, we were talking about whether general john kelly, when he was white house chief of staff, really did have that conversation telling the president he would be impeached if he hired yes-people around him, yes-men around them. governor huckabee was very careful. he said, "you know what? i will respect john kelly. so i will step back from whether or not the conversation actually happen, but we are allowed to ask about it." and that's what you are saying. there's a way to talk about the lieutenant colonel vindman without going after him. maybe it gives even more credibility to do that.

because you've got 99 questions. when do you get to ask them? as melissa says, let's start the clock. >> brian: you've got to give people the right way to ask tough questions. we don't have that right now. we don't have the ability to watch him in a public way and have a republicans question him. that is the right way to do it. you can disagree with someone's interpretation, but when that is closed off, what are we supposed to go after? >> harris: they can -- when i say we, i mean the american people. have they already seen the people behind closed doors come out? how do we know with a set public he was even a kin to what they said privately? >> jessica: i'm sure jim jordan will tell you. you will who don't hear from them in person. fiona hill, lieutenant colonel vindman. you say "i'm not disparaging," i named people who are. the grossness of talking about dual loyalty, this is someone who came from the former soviet union. >> harris: you've made that point. we get it. the three of the process is gross. questioning a person who is testifying is due process.

>> jessica: you think it's espionage? >> dagen: you are saying or republicans don't have any ground to stand there in question his background, that it fair. >> harris: all right, you get the last word. thank you, dagen. this is happening right now, plane crash and the faa has released estimate on this. a cessna 414 crashed in a home on berkeley avenue in colonial new jersey. a residential area, it happened a short time ago. local authorities are reporting a house is on fire. checking local officials for information about the scene, number of people on board, and their conditions right now. we are working the story. the faa is on route to the scene to investigate, and the national transportation safety board is n probe to determine what the cause of this accident was. we again don't know how many people are involved in this, either in the plane or in the

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>> my colleagues in the house republican cover-up caucus will ultimately have to decide, when will they put the constitution ahead of corruption? it's unfortunate that they continue to do the bidding of donald trump. >> melissa: a top house democrat taking aim at republicans a short time ago amid the growing war of words on capitol hill over the impeachment inquiry. this, after speaker pelosi announced the house will vote this week on a resolution setting ground rules for the that resolution today. top republicans say her decision to do this now signals the process was botched from the start. >> i applaud the speaker for finally admitting it is a sham, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. a due process starts at the beginning. it doesn't affirm a missed sham investigation all the way through.

in legal terms, it would be the fruit from the poisonous tree. it would be a mistrial. none of this information would go forward. >> melissa: brian, harris and i were talking about that before the show. to me, it seems like saying, "now that she has done what we wanted, too little, too late," it's moving the goalpost. it's sort of yucky washington normal process. >> brian: i think he has a point, though, and that we've had a month of a certain kind of process happening that is just not fair, because it's not giving the american people the context to understand these witnesses. here's what i don't understand about speaker pelosi though -- she made the decision to change this process, but she immediately led with how she doesn't want to do it. this is just to placate republicans. i don't understand why she didn't say, "look, we think this is a good move. we want to move in the right direction with this process." >> harris: she can go back to democrats and say, "you know what? i heard you on this little

nugget. i capitulated." she's the dealmaker. she's the best vote counter on the hill. >> brian: in swing states, people are not as sold on this as other places. in swing states, you are saying "your concerns are not valid this process." that continues to alienate people she is trying to -- >> harris: i don't think that's accidental, do you? >> brian: alienating people she needs to bring on? it's stupid. >> harris: i think she is focusing on the balance at end. that's the nancy plosive you seen >> melissa: the speaker letter asserts that no such vote is needed, but nonetheless is the house will have one. this is what you say when you know your critics have been right but you don't want to admit it. jessica? >> jessica: i think she is during the take away republican talking points. that is how they will move forward. public opinion has swayed toward impeachment. it's not as high in swing states, your ride. there was a poll. it's pretty close, actually.

it's is not the majority on this side. but it's moving. nancy pelosi wants to make sure there can't be more of those goggles with devin nunes and jim jordan and lindsey graham are. they say the process is the problem. so they can't use that excuse anymore. never have these testimonies, the president admitting to it on tv, and we will proceed this way. republicans will get what they ask for, which is hearings televised in public. which, by the way, we know from the previous impeachment hearings, it skyrocketed support for impeachment. as harris said, she is the master vote counter. she knows what she's doing. i support this move. >> melissa: dagen? >> dagen: this fairness issue, a lot of it relates to the parameters of the impeachment inquiry. this resolution will lay out what it authorizes, not just the nuts and bolts of how you transfer evidence from committee to committee, but also the powers that are granted to the president and to his counsel. again, that is the expectation.

due process rights for president trump and his attorneys. i will point, to their credit, to the polls. 5:30 eight did this poll this was kind of an overall -- i know melissa hates polls. [laughter] >> harris: i think we all do. >> jessica: i love them! >> dagen: this one, 11.4% of republican voters support impeachment. for the republicans, that base hasn't moved that much. to nancy pelosi's credit, what she's doing is very smart here. if they are going to start and forcing some of these subpoenas, remember, charles kupperman went to the court and asked. "hey, i'm being conflicted, pulled between legislative and executive branches." if the democrats are going to go to court and try and enforce these subpoenas, number one, they are on much firmer ground if they have a resolution like this. number two, if you stonewall and

don't put these witnesses up, i guess what? that is obstruction of congress. that is another impeachable charge that the democrats can -- >> harris: i would say this, too. when you hear people like hakeem jeffries, we showed. very powerful in the house and leadership, top three. the g.o.p., he is saying, is a "cover-up caucus." it does undercut what nancy pelosi strategy might be in terms of "fairness display." if it is come to try and get to courts, "show us your grand jury testimony, capote will testify," whatever it does undercut people far to . to say things like "the cover-up caucus." >> harris: when we watch the chiefs of police yesterday, that wasn't a rally, but the biggest applause line he got for that entire speech was about the sham impeachment. it's interesting. that's one of the reasons i don't trust those poll numbers anyway.

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>> harris: we have an update on that situation where a plane has crashed in a neighborhood in new jersey. the faa, the ntsb there to investigate. we understand 201st responders are there. this now involves a second home. the plane is still on the roof of one of the houses, and here perhaps a little bit of news that could end up to be good news. as far as we can tell, there were no passengers on board that plane. we are still trying to get the

condition of the pilot, and there were no people reportedly inside the home that was predominantly hit by this plane. we do know again the neighbor next door was able to escape safely. two houses involved. the one next door, that person gets out. nobody home, and the home that was hit. we don't know the condition of the pilot, and no other passengers on that cessna 414. this is new jersey, and we will keep you posted as we learn mor more. and this fox news alert, fear and frustration are growing for millions of californians who are there for days without electricity. but as a safety precaution amid wildfires raging up and down the state, hundreds of people already forced to record their homes, and among the hardest hit areas are in northern california's wine country. our senior correspondent is standing by live there.

the beautiful santa rosa, we can see behind you that it's tough there now. claudia? >> wright, harris. we are at the command center here in santa rosa where firefighters say this is perhaps the most critical date yet as they raced to get the upper hand before strong, gusty winds kick back up in a matter of hours. >> today is our window of opportunity to really get some strong containment lines out on this fire line. we are 4500 firefighters from across the western u.s. working 24-hour shifts to really ensure that we get some solid containment on this fire before we see those winds returned tonight. >> dramatic video shot yesterday shows just what firefighters are facing here. the kincade fire has grown to more than 75,000 acres and is just 15% contained, more than 150,000 people are still out of their homes. the smoky air is hard to breathe, and many still have no power. now that pacific gas and electric has pulled the plug

again to prevent any new fires caused by down power lines. more than a million customers never got their power restored after the last blackout over the weekend, and could be without power for several more days. many californians are skeptical of pg&e's motives, wondering if these intentional shutoffs are really a fire prevention tool or perhaps a way for the embattled utility, already in bankruptcy, to avoid further liability. state regulators are looking into that, while cal fire investigates whether faulty parlance might have sparked fires in the bay area this weekend. quick update on day two of the getty fire, burning south in los angeles. already about 650 acres, just 5% contained. schools there are closed, and thousands also remain evacuated. fortunately, in all of these wild fires burning up and down the state, no one has died and it appears everyone has been accounted for. harris?

>> harris: claudia, thank you very much. we are learning the second-in-command to isis leader b19 has been killed in a separate attack by u.s. forces inside syria. a senior u.s. defense official is calling this "significant," saying it will even isis leadership vacuum in syria. however, despite that news, defense secretary mark esper is warning the security situation on the ground remains complex. >> al-baghdadi's death will not rid the world of terr it will certainly send a message to those who would question america's resolve, and provide a warning to terrorists who think they can hide. >> harris: of course, that is the pentagon briefing we took live yesterday. what are your thoughts at this point in terms of the politics now for the president with this issue? >> brian: i think people are genuinely happy to see these events and this sort of series of events. it looks like the u.s. is creating some confusion. it's opening up the space were

maybe allegiances can change. more people will turn, better intel will come. i would love to know how we moved from al-baghdadi to the spokesman. did somebody else move to give us information, to get to the next person in line? this works well for the president, and the think the president can say, "my basic strategy hasn't changed. where there are opportunities, we will go after isis. that doesn't mean you have to have the same presence there that we've always had. we are not going to fail to be opportunistic. we have to continue to do this." be one very interesting. senator lindsey graham, it was a very loud critic of the president when decisions were first being made with syria, only like ten days ago or so, here he is on urging the president not to let up on basi basis. >> i'm right by the president. i like the idea of guarding the oil, defeating isis by denying them the oil, continuing to partner with the kurds. mr. president, keep your foot on the throat of these isis

fighters. make sure they don't come here. >> harris: dagen, what we don't know why the actual numbers of our troops on the ground right now. i talked with the major general pittard, the first to commend this group fighting isis inside of iraq in 2014. he told me yesterday, we don't need a lot, but we probably need about a thousand. he said, "i'm not going to tell other people how to do their jobs, but we need some boots on the ground there in substantial numbers if we will continue to protect those oil fields." no one has been able to tell me what the end game is. when do we bring everybody back home again? when are the oil fields protected enough? >> dagen: right, but we do know the risk. jennifer griffin and her ongoing incredible, astonishing reporting says that we watch iraq now, with isis trying to take advantage of the instability to reconstitute there. again, that is the birthplace of isis with the prison breaks from the iraqi prisons. this is a significant development, though. there is a leadership vacuum there now.

benjamin hall, last hour, did this incredible report from this camp where there are about 70,000 isis family members and children being held. this is an area from an incubator, for the next generation and future generations of isis fighters. watch his reporting, because that is one of the greatest concerns of people on the ground. >> melissa: it is a big concern, but at the same time, i think with the president did is show that he won't hesitate to go in and do something instantly as soon as he was the opportunity to see it. it does make the point, how much do we have to have on the ground if you are willing to instantly go in and do something like this? i also think, for those who are talking down what has happened, like nancy pelosi when she knows better -- she says "we told the russians," she should know better that if we are going to fly into an area where the russians are that we do need to let them know so they don't shoot us. you undermine your own credibility when you trash talk anything the president does. >> harris: i think that is an

interesting point. i think that's important. because this information, we talk a little bit about what it's like when you let too much into the bloodstream. not everybody needs to know everything. she was in intel, so maybe she's feeling spirit-burned because it wasn't shared with her. do you have to look at people know who are actually there guns. "don't shoot us, we are coming in to get the bad guys." >> sandra: wow >> jessica: i think there's a difference between notifying everybody come at the going rate. "the washington post" headline was terrible. we have to go. >> harris: let's go to this. how does elizabeth warren plan to fund her medicare for all plan? it's a really good question. one study says it won't be from taxing the rich. we'll get into that report. stay with us. next erica must, "outnumbered overtime." both political sides are digging in with the impeachment inquiry getting hotter. i will have some hot interviews lined up, as well. the top 2020 press secretary, kayleigh mcenany, will join

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♪ >> melissa: a bipartisan budget watchdog finding it would be impossible to fund medicare for all by simply increasing taxes on the rich. duh! [laughter] the report reading, "there is not enough annual income available among higher earners to finance the full cost of medicare for all. on a statistical basis, even increasing the top two income tax rates to 100% --" i've been saying this for so long -- "would not raise $30 trillion over a decade." it's math, its numbers. 2020 presidential candidate senator elizabeth warren said she will release her plan to fund medicare for all soon. i can't wait.

and vows to not sign anything that doesn't cut cost for middle-class families. hmm, "cut costs." there is language, watch that. her rival, bernie sanders, admits this would ultimately raise taxes for all americans but that cost would go down overall for many people. dagen, math is not a myth. it's not right ring conspiracy. it's a real thing. >> dagen: with these left-wing liberals are doing, it's not math. we should call it "schmath." noted as a paid should just call it [blows raspberry] that's what we've been talking about. if you go through this study -- the committee for a responsible federal budget, a 30% payroll tax, that would be more than double what we have in payroll taxes. how about an immediate 42% value-added tax? that is a sales tax on every service that you buy. >> harris: doesn't give them a

lot more money? >> dagen: that goes to the point that if you have a socialist program, you're going to have higher taxes for everybody. it isn't the "schmath," its control over your health care being handed over to the government. >> you're handing over ideas about health care to a woman who ran on this from the beginning and still can't tell you how she's going to pay for it. >> brian: that gets the big point, which is honesty. how long is she going to continue to stick with dodging the line that it's not about the cost? but when we get numbers like this, and the more she does, more people say "wait a second, you are just totally lying to me about this." how my supposed to believe you're going to get cost savings when you can't even tell me theo do my truth about what it's gona cost him the first place? >> harris: you know you so much? senator kamala harris at the last debate. wright, jessica?

>> brian: people should be able to pile in on that. >> jessica: you also sound like joe biden, pete buttigieg, andrew yang, beto o'rourke. welcome to the left. the moderate left. >> brian: then i'm happy to be here. >> jessica: listen, it's been a sticking point for her since the moment she wouldn't differentiate from burning, that she refused to see what bernie sanders was saying, whics being honest about the hike and middle-class tax cuts. 100%. i think it will be difficult for her. i don't think this is a death knell for her campaign. >> harris: i do. i think this will really hurt her. >> jessica: hurting her and being a death knell is different, though. >> harris: that's a basic concept. we are almost in november, when everybody is thinking about new health care enrollments. right now she is playing catch up. i thought she would release the details last week. today miss the email? we are still waiting for something so basic. she hasn't fixed it since the last democratic debate. i don't agree with you, jessica.

i think this hurts her. >> jessica: i think it hurts her but isn't a death knell. she is so popular right now, she has a core base of supporters. something we aren't talking about, she's abolishing private health insurance. bernie sanders has his car-out for union workers who came to him and said, "we are not getting rid of our private insurance." >> harris: or as kamala harris thought, that people were talking about personal insuranc insurance. >> jessica: joe biden is being buoyed in the polls right now from support from moderate democrat who don't want to give up their health care. they want a public option and to improve obamacare. that is the gold standard democratic plan. >> dagen: more government control of your health? we've been there, it's called the eugenics movement. it was until 1979. think about the power you are heading to the federal government. >> melissa: all right come on that terrifying note, a veteran of bill clinton's impeachment with a warning for president trump. y james carville says trouble is

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i'm just saying, as somebody who has seen this before, let me tell you -- trouble is coming. >> dagen: that is -- if you couldn't recognize him, former bill clinton campaign manager james carville with a warning to president trump as the house gives up to vote on a resolution formalizing the impeachment inquiry. recalling president clinton's 1998 impeachment, james carville says he thinks the trump administration is not prepared for what lies ahead. he says clinton began his impeachment or deal with the 71% approval rating. trump is at 41%. and that the white house appears to be relying on keeping trump's base, which carville says won't be enough. but melissa, the economy is good and hearkens back to '98. it wasn't to come actually. the russian debt crisis was that year >> melissa: right, and to make him everything you set up there, that's my nancy pelosi won't

cooperate on the usmca. the economy is good, that is his saving grace. what could undermine the whole economy not getting that trade deal done that is sitting there set up to be signed, that's exactly what's going on with that trade deal. as long as the economy is there, it buoys him. not during the usmca is definitely threatening that. that's my conspiracy theory. b6 carville's statement here is interesting. he is saying the president isn't ready for this, and then he lays out the three things we did to fight impeachment. paint the process as partisan, question the issue at hand, and rally the base. well, what in the world has been happening for a month? class with the term white house is doing. to his point cup i think the president is approaching this just the way -- the approval rating is lower. if you want to trust that poll. i don't think dominic norwood has come critique is is i don't know what is critique actually is. >> jessica: is a little

different, and lindsey graham as chris has a present for this. he doesn't have a war room for this. president clinton was set up to be president and go to battle on impeachment. the west wing was bifurcated. these are the impeachment people and these are the governing people. >> harris: you can see the thought bubble above my head, dagen. you've got to wait until the process actually gives you something to fight specifically. this is why i asked you earlier, does this impeachment inquiry vote help the president? as soon as we know, tick-tock, everything that's coming, republicans, the white house attorneys, everyone can team up. >> jessica: they know it's coming. >> harris: they didn't #warroom. i know to jet set wasn't part of the strategy. >> jessica: it wasn't, but that wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a formalized thing with three or four people on top of this. >> harris: you don't know what that man would have or would not have said. >> jessica: mick mulvaney? >> harris: you don't know.

going forward, the process at least gets to be more fair, dagen. >> dagen: he is going back to 1998, right? today is a different day. we have social media. you don't know the impact on the voter of this process until people actually go to the polls. the real polls, and will for the president. i don't think you can get your head around it. we went after ken starr. >> jessica: does anybody think this is going well for the president? that he's handling this will? >> melissa: judging from that applause line yesterday -- >> jessica: to remove police chiefs? okay, what about the country? we are all his constituents. >> melissa: is a remove police chiefs, it's not a rally. i just love that was interesting. >> dagen: what did carville say, they went after ken starr and framed them in a way? what is president trump doing with adam schiff? >> harris: we don't know exactly what their plan is going to be yet. we've got to watch.

>> dagen: hundreds of facebook employees sending an angry letter to ceo mark zuckerberg about the way the social media giant is handling political ads. what they are demanding, next. ♪ and they lived happily ever after. the end.

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is to slap a label across the middle of it. this is the political ad. on one hand, i can see -- you shouldn't be able to have an ad that is blatantly false. on the other hand, who decides where that line is cannot go ahead, brian. >> brian: it's the middle ground that matter so much. we can agree on these extreme cases, but you get to that middle ground really quickly when you talk about something like medicare for all and what the cause is of this thing. will it bring down costs? is that a lie, and this truth? will be labeled that? i'm not going to allow elizabeth warren to say that? will be not allow president trump to make tax cuts? do you want mark zuckerberg or employees at facebook making a determination but which of those counts as a lie or a truth? >> jessica: dig in, you talking about studies, the public telling what's truthful and what isn't. >> melissa: there been studies done about people's ability to ascertain on social media, "oh, that's accurate, that's not

accurate." again, for people to sniff out a liar. that is essentially what mark zuckerberg was trying to say. i would argue that these technology companies are very left-leaning, they are very liberal, and if these employees were worried about -- it depends on whose life they're worried about. again, were they up in arms when president obama's campaign in 2012 was using the social graft? and the access to the information, friends of friends, that facebook -- again, with cambridge analytica, it was a big uproar. but that was part of the obama campaign's success in 2012, until facebook shut down that access to people's information. again, if it is on the right, if it is conservative, it's a travesty. if it's on the left, if it's a liberal, we are okay with it. >> jessica: in defense of liberals, which is my job here on the couch. [i'm just saying, mark zuckerberg has made it a point to do conservative

outreach. it's one of the major stories we've been talking about. i don't think it's fair to say that they can just -- thank you for coming, brian bedard. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. now here's harris. >> harris: we begin of major developments in the democrat impeachment inquiry as a white house official is testifying now. you're watching "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. >> nancy pelosi during a 180 and announcing a full house vote thursday to establish the parameters for the impeachment inquiry. we could get the language of that resolution at any moment. republicans have been demanding a full vote, but weeks later say that now it's too little, too late. >> this is a sham. it's not something to simply cor their problems that they've had with this investigation. >> they realize this process is completely unfair, completed partisan. >> they are attempting to put a cloak of legitimacy around this process. to speak of the cow was