seems to be in flames. >> sandra: extreme red flag warning there, emergency evacuations underway. what a situation unfolding there. we'll be watching this all day on the fox news channel. thank you for joining us, everyone. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, there is now a new wildfire in southern california that is inching its way toward the reagan presidential library. the winds there are gusting above hurricane force winds. it is the latest in what is a series of wild fires burning up and down the state. this is what we are looking at here. we are monitoring it closely, and he will have a live report on the ground. simi valley is where the ronald reagan library is, and that is where this new fire has broken out. they are calling it the easy fire, and this is another area that just gets crushed by santa ana winds this time of year. now this brush that is so dry

has lit, and this is the third of those big fires in the area. we are also keeping an eye on the get the fire they write about. this is the one we've been talking about over the past couple days. it's important to note that the easy fire is a new fire added on top of everything else, and the getty fire, the flames are getting closer and closer to that historic museum that has so many priceless works of art. obviously, we are more concerned about the loss of life. in this instance, with the getty museum, they have fire doors that they say will come down and protect the art inside. but that area has been under threat for days now. now what you are looking at here on the screen near the reagan library, this is a new fire on top of the other ones. they are calling it the easy fire. we will bring you a live report and updates from the scene just as soon as we get it. another fox news alert, two more

witnesses testify on capitol hill today. in the house democrats impeachment inquiry, state department officials catherine croft and christopher anderson are both former assistants to former special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker. anderson is preparing remarks and planning to testify that x r john bolton warned diplomats in june about, attorney rudy giuliani's influence on ukraine. this, as we are learning just how heated this entire process is becoming. a shouting match reportedly erupting during yesterday's deposition, with democrats accusing republicans of trying to out the whistleblower. and republicans accusing house until chair adam schiff of trying to coach the witness, among other things. >> we haven't objected to any of eric questioning. on the other hand, adam schiff continues to shut down republican lines of questioning on important issues in

terms of who is privy to the phone call, who was with the whistleblower. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. attorney on fox news contributor, emily compagno. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. joining us on the couch, former deputy assistant attorney general under president george w. bush, tom dupree. he is "outnumbered" and we are so happy to have your expertises we try and navigate through these legal issues. what do you think about the fight that went on yesterday? also, the way both sides are portraying it, once they come out? to me this is the reason why we want to do these things in public. because everybody is claiming something different happened behind closed doors. what are your thoughts? >> tom: first of all, the little argument we saw yesterday is really a preview of what's to come. particularly, as you note, as this whole impeachment inquiry

and proceeding progresses to a new stage, a public stage, where will there will be a spotlight. i expect is this thing moves forward and legislators ask questions of witnesses in front of cameras that we will see a lot more of these battles, these accusations, the sort of bickering is going to continue. >> melissa: emily, i am relying on catherine herridge's reporting, here. she says -- this is the point of what she's hearing in one of these arguments, when the vindman prepared remarks -- in his prepared remarks he says it was not proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen. but when asked to point to the president's language in the jult backed up his statement, sources said that vindman struggled. after 3 minutes, colonel vindman was still looking for the demand language. later he said that president trump was the party with the most power, superior,

and the whole thing was a demand. >> emily: fascinating, right? to hear about struggle. also, in terms of that transparency, they're hearing all this reported in bits and pieces. the average american citizen here's the opening statements essentially from both sides over and over again, and then piecemeal these little details about what happened inside. i agree with you that it will be refreshing and very persuasive for everyone the more information that they are exposed to. in the interim, it's difficult to know at what depth to believe. we need to know more, because it's not enough to just hear these little details. certainly, at this point, it's just two teams. >> melissa: on the other point, you have representative mccall questioning the idea -- leslie, i will ask you about this -- about how the democrats got together with the whistleblower to bring them forward. one side is saying nurturing, and the other saying, "wait a second, is he really whistleblower?" we have a sound bite on that?

>> i think they are complicit in working with the whistleblower to come forward with this complaint and start this entire impeachment inquiry. i think that's why adam schiff is so protective of the whistleblower, because he is concerned about the truth that will come out if we get access to him. >> melissa: leslie, what do you think? >> leslie: i don't feel that we had all, i disagree. i think protection of the whistleblower instantly because they feel the individual, perhaps family members, would be threatened because of the divisiveness and because of the vitriolic nature of our society right now. especially along political lines. in addition to that, democrats have even said, "we don't even need the whistleblower at this point, necessarily." when you have the testimony like we are having now and more and more people are coming forward that are pretty much echoing the sentiment of the original concern of this whistleblower, you may not need the whistleblower. and who that person's may not be relevant. >> harris: you know who said

that? adam schiff in the very beginning, three weeks ago. saying, "we've got the call record, we don't need a whistleblower." and the gears shifted, and that's when he saw the more secretive and individual. first it was interviews off the record, that it was depositions, which gives you more legal power to protect the nature and details. except for what you want to share out of this conversation. real quickly, tom, it whistleblower is a certain person. it's not just a term you use. is this person following along the lines? is this in fact it whistleblower? >> tom: from what we know why, errors, i would say yes. the federal law defines certain things you do when it comes to whistleblower. he worked for a certain agency, you become aware of information, you conveyed information up through certain channels. based on what we know, it appears as though that person did follow that process. >> harris: does this person is a fraction of identity or any kind under the law? >> tom: i think the federal law entitles this whistleblower and most whistleblowers to a degree of protection.

you keep their identity secret, precisely because revealing their identity would defeat the whole purpose of the whistleblower act. >> harris: republicans say they didn't ask for the identity of this person. democrats say they did, and there ensued that argument that melissa was talking about. the comes out in testimony, is that different from it leaking? and oh, by the way, who thinks it would not leak? >> tom: i agree with that point. yes, that's inherent in the nature of the process. if you are discussing -- >> harris: so even if they had come it would be okay? >> tom: it would. in other words, if people aren't simply disclosing it for the sake of disclosing it, but happens to come out or be revealed or people connect the dots by way of public testimony, that would be a violation of the law. >> melissa: they went to the subject's most public enemy first, adam schiff, before they went to the ig. so i don't know on the process front. that's an odd person to go to first with the information. meanwhile, national security official alexander vindman who testified yesterday is reportedly telling lawmakers that the white house transcript

of the july call between president trump president trump and ukraine's president omitted crucial words and phrases, and that his attempt to have them added to the document failed. emily, i read this "new york times" article closely, because that is a big charge. i hate to say it, but it's "the new york times." the reported stuff like this before that felt like a bombshell and then turned out not to be true. i don't know, in reading, you need someone to cooperate this. it doesn't mean it doesn't exis exist. >> melissa: i feel like you are illustrating a pattern that keeps repeating itself. a bombshell, then we wait with baited breath as the details don't necessarily support it. what's the next 10 degrees beyond? we have at this point doesn't have the specificity that we need. so you failed to correct it, but remember, we are hearing reports

that he struggled to identify exactly where, and then what exactly was omitted? what was mischaracterized? we need that specificity for the average american to understand what's going on. at this point we are simply being led along without knowing the truth. >> leslie: my understanding from the allegation is that the allegation as there are specifi. whether or not the ukrainian president about burisma as a corporation, and the president talking about former vice president joe biden when he was vice president, having a recorded call. >> harris: but on corruption. >> melissa: i think she means on the other front. when he said that and it didn't go in, where did you take it from there? i would need -- we are casting aspersions on the people who were sitting there taking down that call, that is their job and we have talked to other people who have done that. how they are trained, that sort of thing. if they left stuff out, i would want to know why. there would be a trailer record

of the summary. you need some corroboration along the way. >> harris: so what you are asking, at least this is how i understand it, tom -- it seats on the secret server now. what you are asking about. so it is gettable, but maybe not by us. when vindman says crucial words and phrases, where they crucial to him? and you are nodding at me, because that's a different context. >> tom: from his perspective. it seems like everyone and their brother was on this call. >> harris: the president said, "why so many?" >> tom: we would have heard about this a long time ago. >> melissa: from the article, i understand it was put up to the server quickly and left out those details. that's another way to say, if you look at it on the server, these words that he is saying should be there or were there. they aren't there, and he's explaining why. again, to me, i need somebody else to say besides one person that these words were omitted. i don't know, it's all so confusing, right?

>> emily: it has been so explosive, so why has there been essentially a pigpen tornado around this entire time? >> harris: wouldn't we already know? it's a specific freezing. crucial words and phrases. so whom are they crucial for? >> tom: no one else sounded the alarm. it's the dog that didn't bark. >> melissa: we are monitoring that fast-moving brush fire that is threatening the reagan library in simi valley, california. a live report from the ground ahead. the democrats setting rules for public hearings and a possible vote on impeachment, vowing fairness and transparency. some loopholes could deny the president has rights. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, every day can begin with flakes. it's a reminder of your struggles with psoriasis.

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>> harris: here's what we are following, the wildfire situation in california that's burning on two ends of the state, north and south. we want to direct your attention to something that has happened that is brand-new. the reagan library spokespeople are saying to fox news that the construction of the library is very similar to that of the getty museum. known from recent days of the santa ana winds blowing in the area would put some assets in jeopardy. so that has happened. portions of simi valley, as we got up this morning, were under evacuation orders due to the fire that is now called the easy fire. not because anything easy about fighting it, that's for certain. a few employees on the scene have been joined by fire trucks and police that are working to protect the structure of the reagan library. we have been there recently. leslie marshall, on the couch. i can tell you that this is at the center of a pretty residential area.

when you look at evacuating this, it involves a lot of people. it is high-profile in that area, and there is so much history there. they've got the replica, as each presidential library has come of the oval office in which that particular president served in. and a lot of beautiful things there. it's not under immediate flame jeopardy right now, but look at the thick smoke on your screen right now. the santa ana winds are whipping with hurricane force power, that's what we are being told, in that area. as we watch the wildfires that have forced hundreds of thousands of evacuations, both north and south, you're keeping an eye particularly this hour on the easy fire in simi valley. meanwhile, house democrats have laid out the rules of their impeachment inquiry that of a planned public vote on the floor, which we are expecting to happen tomorrow. the resolution would allow lawmakers and staff more time to

ask questions of witnesses. republicans would finally be able to subpoena witnesses in this whole thing. the president's lawyers will be allowed to cross-examine witnesses, but with one big caveat. democrats will have the "discretion" to deny this right if they believe the white house is stonewalling or providing witnesses or documents on that, rather. on the house until committee will lead the first phase of public testimony. that last point i think it's pretty critical, because the language of the resolution does not provide details about the president's legal rights, while the house until committee is in charge. okay, that seems like a gaping hole. >> tom: [laughs] it does. i've got to say, this falls into the category of what lawyers referred to as making it up as you go along. they are literally constructing these impeachment rules on the fly. >> harris: that's not good! >> tom: it's not good, although there is no rulebook you can consult. in every impeachment process, it's true. >> harris: is a because we

don't see impeachments very often? >> tom: i think that's one thing, fortunately, that we don't see them very often. the constitution does give the house the power to have rules to govern its own proceedings, including impeachment proceedings. i'm happy they are now poised to agree on the ground rules. i think the key thing for no one to lose sight of is that the democrats are going to retain total control over this hearing. the language you put up on the screen that we all saw notes that, yes, republicans have the right to call witnesses and take testimony and develop the evidence, but it's all subject to the supervision and oversight of congressman schiff and natalie. >> harris: if you have to go ask permission, basically, to do something, you've been denied it all along, is it really an open door or is it like a screen to >> tom: here's the thing, i think so much of this is going to come out in the application of it. what's different about this is this is going to be public. people are going to see, the witnesses are going to see the congressman asking questions. if congressman schiff runs this

like a soviet show trial, i think the american people will recoil from that. it will go down to the benefit of the republicans, if the president's lawyers get up and try to ask questions and get shot down. try to call witnesses, get shut down prey that won't play well. >> harris: real quickly, senator lindsey graham edwards about the house democrat resolution. the wording we saw yesterday, the rules. let's watch senator lindsey graham about the >> substantially different than the way we've done in the past. the intel committee as part of the process, which has never been done. the president's council is not allowed to participate in the intel committee, and it's behind the closed doors. lack of due process. they are trying to create something new that i think is substantial and dangerous to the president. >> harris: how quickly could this go, emily? we saw senator chuck schumer yesterday saying, "november 21st, they've got to get a spending resolution together." he thinks the president could shutdown the government to stop impeachment. i don't even know where that's

coming from. >> emily: if this moved any faster than glacial, i think we would all be pleasantly surprised. but i personally don't have any faith that it will. if i could just point out what i see is problematic in these new rules, we know that the house intelligence committee essentially has all the muscle, right? when it comes to the judiciary committee, jerry nadler not only has the ability to deny the request for witnesses and attorneys, but also impose when he feels is appropriate remedies if he feels the president has stonewalled in any of these six investigations. so i want to make sure viewers understand he is very curbed and constrained essentially before a headmaster that could essentially slap his hand with a ruler at any point. >> harris: the democrat vision on all of this, you guys could misstep overreaching. that is something we have seen in your political party time and time again. "oh, my goodness, russia collusion! my goodness, got to wait for the bob mueller report to come out!" that comes out and it's like, "well, skip those first few

pages, get past that i get her something else." what is your greatest political fear? >> leslie: my greatest fear is that we will have a redo of what happens with quentin. and impeachment of the house, and acquittal in the senate, the president's approval ratings go up to 74% for bill clinton. he becomes more popular. that party loses, as republicans did, house seats and both the house and the senate. in addition to that, it was newt gingrich that had to sit down as house speaker. in this case it would be nancy pelosi. that's my greatest fear. to your point, there is no instruction manual. but historically, whoever has the rules sets the rules were impeachment. in addition, they have the power to say yea or nay to the witnesses that will be called by the party that is a minority in the house during that impeachment. >> harris: as i said, i don't know if it's a complete open door, but came on. >> tom: came on. this is the beginning of phase one. >> harris: all right. powerful hurricane force winds come as we talk about a moment go, are fanning the flames

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library. if you look behind me you can see some of these active flames. there was a helicopter that just passed us. they did a water drop. those flames were just going, just moments ago. lots and lots of smoke around this area. as we walked around the parking lot, you can see those flames just burning the land here. 407 acres have burned so far in this easy fire. that's what it's being called. the evacuations are underway. around here you have the ventura county school district, that's close. the library is closed. a spokesperson for the reagan library tells fox news that there are five doors across the museum that protect the displays and artifacts inside. you can see, we are just looking at some of the burned land. you can see some of the teams of firefighters out here that are working to control this. again, fighting this both by land and air. they have their houses out. again, these helicopters that just keep circling around here, doing these water drops with

this strong wind. just as we've been out here -- we literally got here within the past 30 minutes -- loosing these fires flare up with those strong wind gusts that are blowing her. we are continuing to monitor the situation. a lot of firefighters out here. the evacuations that are underway, a lot of road closures. sheriff's deputies, a lot of people working the scene to try and get this fire under control. melissa? b2 christina, i grew up near their on that is actually wheree shop at little house on the perry. i know what those wins are in simi valley. i know the way they are whipping right now. is there any sort of a forecast about them dying down anytime soon? is going to hamper any sort of effort to get control of this fire? >> we are being told those strong winds are going to continue throughout today. that is something that a lot of fire officials and state

officials are concerned about. the winds were picking up significantly around l.a. this morning. so that is something firefighters are working with. these strong winds that are fueling these f very dry conditions. melissa? >> melissa: we can see from your camera, it looks like the visibility is terrible. can you describe to us what it's like where you are right now? i know that smell, we used to smell it every halloween because these brushfires really pick up. tell us where it's like where you are. >> the air quality is poor. there's a lot of smoke. you got noses running, eyes watering. it's hard to see, just as we were driving up here there were some areas where the smoke was so sick it was hard to make up the road. as i'm standing right now, it's hard to see much beyond from whe we are at right now in this hillside because of all of the smoke. the air quality is very poor out here right now. melissa?

>> harris: christina, just real quickly -- it's harris -- i'm reading now the number has popped to 1.5 million people in 30 counties in the state but now don't have electricity as power companies are trying to keep the sparks down. what is that situation like where you are? >> well, right now i can tell you that in southern california, you have southern california edison, they've shut off power to at least 14,000 customers. they were going to consider doing so for at least 300,000 customers sometime during this very windy wind event. it's unclear how many people are going to be losing power during these very dry, windy conditions, but that is always a concern. a lot of people are very frustrated, as you can imagine, with a power being shut off and not knowing when their power will return. harris? >> harris: you want to close the windows and turn the ac ought to try and protect

yourself, and cover all those doors and things if you haven't left. you can't do that if you don't have power. >> melissa: christina coleman, think of so much. stay safe. >> thank you. >> melissa: the ncaa top decision-makers now allowing college athletes make money off their likeness, names, and images. board members saying in a statement that all changes should make sure student athletes have the same opportunities to make money as all of their students. meanwhile, in response to the rule changes, senator richard burr says he wants to tax scholarships if college athletes cash in. tweeting, "if college athletes make money off their likenesses while in school, there scholarships should be treated like income. i will introduce legislation that subjects scholarships given to athletes who choose to cash into income taxes." wow. i love it. there's money, government! i must get my hand on some!

any money they would earn from endorsements or whatever, that would be taxed. so they want to make sure they get a tax on everything. >> tom: i think it's a great lesson for all of us. as soon as anyone in government is the creation of wealth or value or income, the first direction is, "we must tax it!" >> melissa: "we want our take!" >> tom: it's a difficult situation to solve. it's been out of work for a long time, superstar college athletes that could be monetizing the value they bring could jump to the pros if they wanted to make money instead of remaining in college. i think it sensible to try and realign the incentives, but at the same time, to the extent you can in this day and age, you want to preserve the sanctity of scholar athletes and student athletes and not turn down back to later in college sports in your professional sports. >> melissa: emily, was interesting to me, the trade-off used to be that the university made money off these teams and the players did not, but they were getting the education and the degree. ostensibly, that was for after

they played the sport, they would have something to do. now it seems to me that, ostensibly, the universities in california are admitting the degree isn't worth anything. >> emily: i think it's an admission that the economic disparity along the way has been absolutely huge and really troubling, and a lot of people didn't realize that. remember last year at march madness, we have athletes say, "by the way, i can't afford my pizza for dinner." meanwhile, marge bend his rakes in billions. as with the nike, under armour, everyone. and the schools. it allows people to come together publicly for these athletes. remember, since 1997, the ncaa had had a committee expiring this. took legislation in california for them to come together. the taxation, it's the chain with a gift in hand. it's burdensome, cumbersome come that iron fist behind with the ncaa's paying lip service to you. the reality is frankly horrible. >> melissa: what about the

imbalance between california and everywhere else? will be good athletes go to california where they can cash in? >> leslie: well, that's it. in addition, what they have done here is right. if they had a leslie marshall action figure, which there never will be -- [laughter] >> melissa: i want one! >> leslie: i want a piece of that! really, they are attracting people to the schools. the coaches make a ton of money. the administrators of these organizations in california make a ton of money. the athletes should not be struggling. some will go on to the pros, but most of them will not. but if you are bringing people to buy tickets to these events, or say, "hey, i want to go to that school in california because of these athletes," and not attracting just athletes, but others -- and contributed wealth to the coaches and administrators -- i think it's fair they get a cut. but if you have that action figure and i get a piece, i would have to be taxes because it's income. >> harris: my main concern is for those young children, their only hope to go to college might

be that athletic skill. we've just seen an admissions scandal. so now you flip it, and there is that young person from, you know, a farming community or an urban area and their parents are working and trying to make life for the next level for them academically. but then their best shot might be through their physicality, and they finally get there in the new tax back out of them for their scholarships. it just seems rapacious to me. i don't know. >> melissa: budget, politics, the warning from chuck schumer the president lead the government shutdown to impede the democrat impeachment push. is this overblown? ♪

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shutdown, because it might be a diversion away from impeachment. >> harris: the top democrat in the center right there, chuck schumer. i mentioned earlier, saying he's worried president trump leaves the government shutdown is a diversion from impeachment. the government is funded through november 21st and that can fall right into the middle of the house holding impeachment hearings. where is that coming from, leslie marshall? >> leslie: i don't know, and the first thing i thought when i heard that was, "why are you giving them ideas? don't give them any ideas!" >> harris: because that's what chuck schumer does? >> leslie: no, but i think sometimes democrats at a do not pay the other party goes, "good idea." melissa calmly said for the break, "is this wild speculation cannot" so to speak. i'm not so sure. it seems that when you call this constantly witch hunt, though there's not going to be in either there, the democrats are after me, you are playing the victim, what do you do? you try to make it impossible

for the proceedings to happen. if that is the case after november 22nd, the government shuts down, how do they compete? >> harris: that is such a fantasy for democrats, though. because then can say, "the president try to stop them," so on and so forth. >> leslie: maybe he's luring them. >> harris: now they can call witnesses and defend him... >> melissa: i don't think he wants this to stop. i think he likes impeachment train. judging by the ruler he gets from the crowd when he talks about it, i think he thinks this works for him. especially if it gets out in public. what has not been working, and it was interesting to see democrats get a taste of it today when they came out and said the star witness didn't or couldn't respond with evidence, it's like, "i want to see you have exchange for myself." was he really searching? it matters. credibility matters, the way you answer the question matters.

people want to see and judge for themselves. so they've got a taste of how unfair it is to have people come out and leak or talk about what went on behind closed doors. in front of open doors, if you present welcomes that. >> tom: i guess from my perspective, when you get a case ready to try, you read the depositions of your witnesses you say, "substantively come of this person makes great points." but a huge element's presentation. credibility, truthfulness. do they make eye contact with you? to they stumble? to the same to be an honest person?" that is something you been deprived of to date. we know generally through leaks, the substance of what they are saying, but i think it just could be at game-changing situation when we see a lot of these witnesses up on the stand and can assess their credibility for ourselves. >> harris: emily, this does play right into the hands of republicans, as leslie said she was kind of worried about. that's because the president can say, quite eloquently, "why

would i stop it? i haven't done anything wrong." so that slow-roll glacier move that you said the democrats might be doing then suddenly get stymied. like, "oh, wait, we meet it's going to go on? we actually have to do this now?" >> emily: i think it was part of the argument, 35 days into this all of the sudden we are receiving some structure. it did go into the g.o.p. argument, why did this happen in the beginning? too little, too late. >> harris: representative eric swalwell was vocal on this yesterday. this is how it kind of went. "okay." >> emily: i wanted to make the point that, as a federal attorney tom knows this, i've handed out for the papers. it involved whether or not it happens is colossal and wasteful. when she refers around terms like, "we are going to threaten this," all that does is illustrate yet again as a constituent that my legislators cannot legislate and focus on impeachment at the same time.

and they treat government shutdowns like a tool rather than the impact on american citizens' lives that it is. >> harris: that is such a delicious point. remember, there was the schumer shutdown first. all right, we will move on. joe biden has one reason why he says he's getting beat up in the democratic presidential race, as he slides to third place in a new poll. we will get into it. ♪ fine, no one leaves the table until your finished.

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>> harris: the breaking news we are watching this hour, you see assets in the air now trying to put out the fire. the easy fire that is burning and forcing evacuations. the reagan presidential library is caught up in this, because they had evacuations earlier today. we had a reporter on the ground earlier, showing us those hurricane force winds that are blowing, the santa ana winds blowing the smoke into areas and making it very difficult to breathe if you are nearby all of this. or even quite far away now, as those winds have really kicked up the gusts carrying all of that smoke. you see flames there, that they are fighting, being driven by the heat and wind. i want a go to someone who can tell us what it's like a fat library, and that's an importane important artifacts and history

represented there. alyssa gaylor is on the phone with me now. she is the spokesperson for the ronald reagan presidential foundation, and institute. i'm so sorry we're talking under these circumstances. under evacuation, what else can you tell us about how you doing with this right now? >> sure. i got the call at 6:30 this morning but the library was under evacuation and to not drive in. we've been watching it really closely ever since. we do have a handful of personnel at the library that had been giving the updates, sending the photos, give me calls and videos and whatnot. the library is very safe. there are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of firefighters and police officers of the library making sure it's protected. they are doing nonstop water drops, helicopters and airplanes. but the fire does seem to be getting close, around maybe 9:00 this morning or eat 45:00 a.m. california time, the fire started coming up on the ridge

of the air force one pavilion side. >> harris: oh, i know where that is. >> yeah, they started doing a lot of water drops and turned the fire away. right now from what i'm seeing on television, the fire is not at presidential drive. the only way really to get into the library. now they are fighting it on that side. the library director on campus just spoke to me and said they still feel incredibly safe, and even though the fire starts coming up this hill sides, every time he comes up a hill, the firefighters get it. we are so incredibly grateful for everything they're doing for us. >> harris: melissa, you give us a time-stamp of 9:45 a.m. it seems like arial water dropping, but the fire is getting closer. i know people are safe according to what you are saying, with all these firefighters. tell me about what protects the

beautiful oval office and all that at the library. >> we have indoor and outdoor protection. the outdoor production is that every year and maybe work with the ventura county fire department, and they bring up 300, 400, or 500 goats. they live on the property for about three weeks and eat all the dead brush around the entire campus perimeter and property, making a fire break. we were told about an hour ago that as the fire was coming up that one hail by the air force one pavilion, that of course the water drop was stopping you. but the fact fire break was there and that there was no dead brush to create fuel really helped us, as well. so that's so wonderful they do that for us each year. then inside, if god forbid the fire was to reach the outside and get to the museum proper, the entire reagan library museum and air force one pavilion, it is built as a fire-safe location. which means all of the museum galleries, all of the archives,

they have these industrial fire doors. if for some unknown reason they fire was to start inside the museum, or a fire like this waso give the building, whatever gallery of the fire happens to be income of the fire doors close, they trap the fire withid industrial fire sprinklers will douse it from the inside. >> harris: indoor and outdoor, that's great detail. as you point out, just moments ago, less than 10 minutes ago, you are giving kind of a visual, if you will, by looking up and seeing the fires seem to be encroaching. we go for intermittent periods where the smoke, as people are watching live in simi valley right now on our air, the perimeter, the command center set up, and farther away via aerial, people can see heavy pockets of smoke and then a break. what if the winds like? >> hurricane gusts. simi valley is a windy city

anyway. we are about a mile up on the hilltop, from the main road. it seems like the reagan library always has a really high winds. i'm being told -- i'm not there -- but i'm being told there's winds at 60 or 75 miles per hour on certain gusts. so that's obviously not up in the fire by any means. >> harris: melissa, thankfully you are not there. >> correct. left my speed when your team has been evacuated from there, but you're getting updates and you are now able to tell us what's going on. we hope the best for the wider community, that beautiful residential area around the library, and the best for the reagan library, as well. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> harris: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. ♪ limu emu & doug

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and so think of when he, as well. >> leslie: it's scary, the winds shift direction and their limited escape routes when the smoke limits visibility. so many people stuck on one free way getting out of there. >> melissa: we will stay on the story. everyone stay safe. we'll be back at noon eastern tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: let's pick it up quickly there with this fox news alert on that situation, hurricane force winds fueling the wired fires near the ronald reagan presidential library in southern california. i just interviewed live, he may have been watching speed 25, the spokesperson for the library they have indoor and outdoor fire protection, she told me. however, of the smoke us there come the flames moving closer. she said the people have been evacuated, and they were protect the things. dozens and dozens of firefighters in that area and even on the property of the reagan presidential library. we will keep an eye on it. this is that executive director is saying this is the close