♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ here tomorrow night, tucker carlson coming up live from washington, d.c., right ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it's halloween, so of course today was that a congress took its first official step towards impeaching the president. the house voted 232-196 to approve a resolution that raise the mic lays out rules for the impeachment process. it was nearly a perfect party line vote. every single republican voted against it, all but two democrats voted in favor of it. adam schiff meanwhile, the congressman from burbank, was ecstatic. schiff has spent years obsessing over impeachment like it was a young jodie foster. colleague said he has pictures of impeachment taped to the walls of his bedroom. he is believed to have written

it steamy unhinged letters usint his own body fluids. so for schiff today was vote was thrilling and only a way a psychiatrist could appreciate. watch it here -- watch as he pretends it was not in fact the best day of his whole life. >> this is a solemn day in the history of our country. when the president 'has misconduct has compelled us to continue to move forward with an impeachment inquiry, we take no joy in having to move down this road and proceed with the impeachment inquiry. but neither do we shrink from it. >> tucker: we take no joy. of all the many lies told at public expense in washington, d.c., and there aree many, that may be the most hilariously brazen of all in at least a generation for those of you keeping track at home. in fact, for democrats, impeachment is like winning the lotto on christmas, but honestly, seriously, believe us now, we are not enjoying it, not even a little bit. we are praying for you and for the president. okay.

that's not real. what israel is at the public is not loving it quite as much as adam schiff is. new polling appears to show support for impeachment in some decline. it is possible that voters are simply confusedin by what's happening. what exactly are the charges here? how do we go from disliking trump to trying to remove them by force, seemingly overnight? who exactly is this whistle-blower who apparently started it all? we still don't know the answer to those, the most basic questions. last night the site real clear investigations published an article about the man it says is the was a blower. schiff's office has not deny the substance of that piece, publicly available information corroborates some of the details in it. a remarkable story in any case. the man is a registered democrat who worked on the national security council as a holdover from the obama administration. over the years he worked for both joe biden and disgraced cia director john brennan. a news article from 2017 identifies this same man as pro-ukraine and anti-russia. he says he was the subject of bitter complaints from some republicans who knew him.

in other words, more than two years ago, conservatives were publicly charging that this man was working from inside the building to undermine the trump administration. according to the real clear investigations piece last night, they were i right. the men worked as a professional left-wing activist, he also held meetings with adam schiff's staff members, several of them wore his former colleagues from the obama white house. and tonight we can tell youm it seems likely that this man, the man in question, was also a source for robert mueller's investigation, his russia investigation. what appears to be the man's name can be found in a footnote in the final report. keep in mind that just a week ago "the new york times" praised the whistle-blower, whoever he is as "a patriotic public servant." his aim, the paper told us, reassured us, was "not to bring down mr. trump out of personal or political animus, but to rescue the republic from his excesses." so if real clear's piece last night is accurate, if the

reporting is right, that framing is an utter lie. virtually everything we've been told about the whistle-blower would be misleading and intentionally so. it would be propaganda, like so much we hear. is it? only adam schiff can clear it up. he should do that immediately for the sake of restoring nfnfidence in the u.s. government. he won't do that because it doesn't serve his political interests but in some ways it doesn't matter, we learned a lot from the peas anyway. whether he was the so-called whistle-blower or not, the man that real clear wrote about was a nakedly partisan political actor in what should be a nonpolitical position. his job is to protect the united states.es he has spent his days trying to get his team elected. that's wrong. unfortunately, it's not unusual. just yesterday former deputy cia head john maclachlan encouraged permanent bureaucrats here in washington to continue to subvert elected officials, the ones that work for. >> thank god for the deep state. [laughter] [applause]

>> i think everyone here has seen this progression of diplomats and intelligence officers and white house people trooping up to capitol hill right nowic and saying these are people who are doing their duty or responding to a higher call. >> tucker: is there anything that could shake the public's faith in this government more than a former cia, of alll agencies, cia official saying things like that? telling us that subverting the will of voters is a higher call? higher apparently than democracy itself. there are many other developments today in the ongoing impeachment saga and for those we are grateful to be joined tonight by catherine herridge, fox's chief intelligence correspondent and she is with us on the set, hey, catherine. >> thanks. this witness seemed to have a sixth sense about the july 25th phone call about president trump and the ukrainian president telling investigators today that he thought it would leak given washington entirely polarized environment and according to this testimony obtainedgh by

fox news, tim morrison set up i want to be clear, i was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed." morrison sat on the national security council and has direct knowledge of the call and significantly, after allegations, the white house released transcript, was tampered with, morrison said today, "to the best of my relevant to recollection," a short form for memorandum of the call" accurately and completely reflects the substance of the call. after the call i probably asked the national security council legal advisor and his deputy to review it." morrison said he had no reason to believe the ukrainians knew the aide was suspended until late august and that timing matters because it's five weeks after the president of austria's conversation with a president zelensky. and it was not early september morrison said he believed the aide was tied to a public statement of ukraine reopening the investigation into the energy firm or hunter biden sat on the board, and for more context, that was just days later that the aide was

released. a source familiar with the deposition said to fox today morrison undercut lieutenant colonel vindman, who has been described as a star witness for democrats, saying he was warnedd about vindman's judgment and on at least one occasion he said vindman, who began his army service nearly two decades ago, went outside the chain of command onon ukraine. >> tucker: amazing story. rather than ask a follow-up -- i've never met a tv person who was less interested in talking about herself and then you are but i should say i should tell our viewers this is the last time you will be on our set because were moving on to cbs news, which is very lucky to have you and i just want to say out loud how much we will miss you and how gratefuluc we are to have had your expertise. if you're one of the people that our viewers trust -- one of the people who i trust to unravel ts happen, particularly what is complex. you've been here for 23 years and i know our viewers have been watching this whole time but i could not resist, i know you're not -- going to hate this. putting up a clip, a younger catherine herridge who looks the same, here she is.

>> at her first news conference, senator-elect hillary clinton's message was bipartisanship. the media glare will intensify when mrs. clinton returns to washington, especially since she's laid out an ambitious legislate of agenda for herself. >> that the headline right there! >> thank you so much for showcasing the reporting here at fox news and taking it to a big audience in prime time. that has really matter to me. >> tucker: there have been many times when i called you because i trust what you say and our viewers were right to. >> thanks for listening. >> tucker: thank you. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: met romney ryan -- t know if you saw the open we just did, but i'm agnostic, i don't know exactly if this is the whistle-blower or not. i know we learned an about a federal employee who is working as a political activist. what does that tell you about the way the city works? >> i would say there are a lot of people in d.c. -- this is kind of a clarifying moment for

us over the last few years in ewhich i really do think a lot f these people find democracy terribly inconvenient, but this is the problem, we are in about a 100 year experiment but we have dropped an administrative state into a constitutional republic and the problem is those inside the ministry of state, these powerful bureaucrats given immense powers now seem to think they are the ones making the decisions in this whole idea of a constitutional republic where the power flows from the people to their duly elected representatives is terribly inconvenient and kind of an archaic idea. that's what we are really dealing with what you think about this person that's now been named by real clear investigations, the federal "washington examiner," not only was he not a whistle-blower, but a partisan political operative. he didn't just show up at the white house, he was detailed from the cia, he was not picked by random. i would argue he was there to represento brennan's interest, the cia interest and if you take it to its full extent, again, i think this person was more of a confidential asset of john brennan's inside the

white house. >> tucker: so unpack if you would, i like all your frameless, i think it's interesting and true. you can't have, you said, and administrative state in the middle of a democratic republic, what does that mean? >> it doesn't work. the administrator of state that the progressives have been pushing for the last hundred years is about consolidating power. it's about removing these o separations of power and powering unelected bureaucrats to be in charge of this massive bureaucracy, millions of employees, and given immense powers inside the surveillance state and law enforcement. at ate certain point, because ty have so much power because they've been seated so much power by our representatives, by congress, they have started to think and almost rightfully so, that they are the ones making the decisions and then donald trump shows up and goes "wait a minute, that's not how this works. in a constitutional republic eye is the duly elected president -- i'm the one that decides to

mr. policy, i decide foreign policy" and these players inside the administrative say not so fast, we don't think so. if that's what all of this ison about. >> tucker: so what about when the next guy shows up. what if elizabeth warren is elected president? presumably her views will be in line with most people in the administered estate but maybe not all. is she going to become -- is any comfortable stomach resident ever going to be comfortable again with the government that would just watch for the last three years try to unseat the guy in charge of it if it doesn't like him? >> this is the amazing point, they are willing to destroy all sorts of norms and undermine the duly elected president of the united states, again because they think they are in power and i would argue everyone, right, left, democrat, republican, should be concerned at this massive abuse of power and the only way you get this fact, the only way you can get this back into proper alignment and actually resort trust in some of these institutions like o the dj and the cia and the fbi, there has to be consequences. i am a freight talker if there are not consequences, what comes

next for the next president regardless of democrat or republican? there has to bedent consequenced how you restore trust, you actually have consequences that actually means something. people go to jail, people have their security clearance permanent and revoked. they have to be shamed or sent to jail, that's how you have consequences to restore trust and to put things back into the proper balance. >> tucker: i think i've been here too long, call me cynical but after 35 years i've concluded you had paul manafort lobby for ukraine, he's likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. tony podesta, close friend of the clintons did the same. he's in italy right now laughing at you. so i don't know. i will believe it when i see it. when anyone on the left is held accountable for anything i will be surprised but happy. >> this o is the problem we hav, we have a bifurcated legal system and if you do not have the right political connections with the right political views he will have the book thrown at you. you have the right connections you get a pass, but the real problem for a republic. >> tucker: a real problem, i would say. great to see you tonight.

jean pinero jeanine pirro -- tht to remake america. she's very busy so when she can come here we are grateful to have her. so we are not, as you juste noted, i haven't given the guy's name, not absolutely certain he's the whistle-blower, appears to g be but i don't have confirmation, schiff knows. we are all under this kind of pressure to protect the identity of thehe whistle-blower because why exactly? >> yeah, well i haven't figured that out because as you think about it, barack obama fired the whistle-blower in fast and furious and in terms of whistle-blowers, they change the loss of this whistle-blower could report on hearsay. they just changed that within the last year because before a whistle-blower couldn't be a whistle-blower and unlesser he r she was directly a part of the conversation. so they change it -- look, thiss is all part of a playbook. it's a narrative. this isf russia collusion all over again. if we are going to dos ukraine collusion and we now have a

brennan acolyte, you got someone who loves susan rice, worked with susan rice, brennan, and a whole lot of them and schiff, this is a redo of russia collusion and you know what the frustrating part of it is? the frustrating part is when you say will we ever see people go out in coughs? that's what i did for 30 years. that's "law & order." the reason that this president is facing it unlike any other president before is because donald trump is the outsider president that the forgotten men and women in america put in the oval office. he is not part of the establishment. he's not one of the guys it's going to slap one guy on the back and then say hey, we are all set. he's there to protect us and so the rules are going to be different. nancy pelosi is going to say i'm not doing impeachment unless it's bipartisan and today the vote is all democrats except two who went with the republicans. every republican said no. and we are going to go forward with a due process -- it's a stain on congress. adam schiff decides who gets

called, the extent of cross examination. this should be in judiciary, they are still having private hearings, it's a joke. and final point on that. we want to tell me what a policy difference over a policy belief has to do with high crime and misdemeanor? a democrat could have a different policy making decision. this is not something to impeach someone on. >> tucker: we are allowed to disagree. it may be he's got a different view on russia. i happen to have that view. adam schiff called me an agent of vladimir putin. i have to -- >> he did? >> tucker: he did. speaking of the degradation of our legal system, i asked school fairly recently about jeffrey epstein and here's what you said. we kept the tape. >> i have tried cases that williston's suicide and i've got a homicide conviction, so they weren't suicides, they were intentional murders. and secondly, the breaking of a hyoid bone, i've tried strange elation cases, that's class against regulation, not in a

hanging. >> tucker: so it turns out you're not alone in thinking that. forensic pathologist hired by epstein's brother says the evidence suggests he didn't kill himself. the injuries to his neck he says are more consistent with strangulation. and then today, the totally discredited but still sort of interesting mayor of new york city, bill de blasio bill de blasio -- my own medical examiner. what do you make of this? >> first of all, why was the medical examiner in such a rush within five days to make a decision that it's suicide as opposed to -- she could have hasaid it was -- you know, it ws under it -- was being investigated. we got five investigations, we are prisons, attorney general, fbi, inspector general and i forget what the fifth one is in this pathologist says it's suicide. how do you know it's suicide? wasn't everybody asleep? weren't the cameras not working? why was his cellmate removed?

you want to tell me why this guy was suicidal? six days ago not suicidal. i could go on and on. >> tucker: put open up -- in a minute and a half we have, open up this world that most of us have never lived in but you spent decades there, why would a medical examiner rush to judgment like this one of the pressures that could come to bear on a medical examiner? >> look, i don't know the medical examiner, i don't know her situation and it's better i don't t know her but i can tell you this, i'm not surprised that another medical examiner would say what t i said because i spet 30 years in law enforcement. i tried homicide cases, when that hyoid bonefo is busted and the thyroid cartilage is busted, it can't be busted from hanging with the sheet, which by the way we still don't have the dna from the sheet that he used apparently, if it is a suicide, and for them to say that that is part of a suicide hanging, that's ridiculous. it's not a suicide.

hyoid being broken is a classic intentional homicide killing. and by the way, epstein said a few days earlier -- he said "look, my cellmate tried to beat the hell out of me." i know the guy, he was from westchester, he beat everybody up. dennis is ahe brother says can i get a copy of the report. >> tucker: i know a guy, he's from westchester, he beats everybody up! >> can't even get the report of the assault in that room. why are they hiding? what are they worried about? >> tucker: and asked the question because if not simple about the death of one man. it's really a referendum on the people were running things. how rotten is the system? that someone could get murdered and they cover it up? i'm not alleging that's what happened but there are questions, as you said, and i think it's worth following, which we will continue doing hope you join us. thanks for joining us tonight. >> i'd love to. thanks. >> tucker: easy to see why they're telling you that ukraine is the most important storyry there is because of the people in charge, they had to look

clearly and honestly at the country theyyk preside over they would have to confront how badly they have failed. we will tell you how badly they have failed after the break. ♪ er - do you have a box of video tapes, film reels, or photos,

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♪ >> tucker: a few months ago on the show we told you about isaiah thompson, who is a new york subway nuisance to authorities in the city kept releasing back onto the street after various crimes, many of them. watch. >> isaiah thompson has delayed hundreds of subway trains with disruptive behavior. people's emergency brakes, he rides on the outside of the cars and much more. since july of 2017, that's only

two years, he's been arrested 18 times for behavior like this. thompson is a past. not saying he's a serial killer but he definitely makes life much worse for thousands, maybe millions, of ordinary people. he's the kind of person authorities are supposed to protect us from what officials in new york don't see him that way. >> tucker: yeah, so they ignored the guy. they were much more interested in protecting him than protecting the public and like any untreated ignored problem, it got worse. last week, here's the update to the story, thompson was caught on camera shoving a woman violently into the side of the train. >> what, what. >> tucker: thompson is also accused of shoving another passenger into a train earlier the sameho day. by itself, neither of these is a war crime, but what's infuriating is that they never had to happen at all.

thompson has been a dangerous public nuisance for years. he's hiding in plainn sight. many arrests. it is crimes happened because in new york, as in so many other cities run by the left, officials take the well-being of criminals is more important than the well-being of everyone else, like the people who are paying for all of this. by now you're useday to this but it's part of a much larger trend. in california for example, green fundamentalism is a bigger priority than keeping the lights on. by theli way, they don't actualy care about the environment, the state of california is filthy.te in seattle, racial politics are more important than learning math. in washington, ukraine matters more than falling life expectancy. if you see the point, so does seth baron. joins us tonight. it really gets me going thinking about this. the people we hire to do the basic things like keep the roads paved, keep them from storming the gates, basic stuff. they spend their whole time lecturing us about how they are morally superior to us and

working on problems problems tt exist and you wind up with our biggest state on fire and no electricity. am i making this up in my mind or is this actually happening? >> not at all. the last few weeks in new york city have been l very painful, i think for anybody paying attention. on one hand we have mayor de blasio working really hard to make sure that every school in the system has the same racial composition as the city as a whole and then we have crazy people like a guy three weeks ago bludgeoned for people to death inik chinatown who were just, you know -- other homeless people. he was a criminal, violent criminal, drug addict who was known to the police into the mental health establishment. mayor de blasio just says the same stuff he said to you when he was on your show. no, this is the safest big city in america, everything is fine, the only problem is we don't have enough housing for f these people and wealth inequality. >> tucker: does anybody ever take -- does anybody ever say --

you hired me underpaying me into giving bodyguards and helicopters to protect you from this nonsense. i didn't do it because i was focused on being popular and i'm really sorry that all these people died? does anybody ever take >>sponsibility for a? >> no, no, they just talk about it as a housing issue or, for instance, last week a guy threw a chair at a cop, he had to be put inin a coma, the cop, and te guy was killed, but he too was a mentally ill person whose family had called the city a week before and begged them for help and said look, our brother is spiraling. he has attacked police in the past. he should have been in a psychiatric institution or under assisted outpatient therapy treatment, which is a form of compelling treatment. but the city talked to the guy and said, well, there's no threat of violence here. if something happens, call 911. it's what they told his family, which is precisely the wrong

thing to say and goes even against what de blasio thinks they should do. you know, the city, there's a sense of menace and danger that is creeping out. it's like the element is crawling out from under a rock and sniffing the air. there's a bad feeling and it doesn't look good. i remember what it was like your 30 years ago. >> tucker: i do too. but at the same time, the city council -- i'm not making this up, has banned foie gras. french goose liver pate. if that's reaction to declining standard of living? >> yes, and it's a misdemeanor to handle a pigeon. i guess. this is what they are concerned about. >> tucker: this is -- this is -- this is fiddling -- great to see you tonight. >> great to see you. >> tucker: government officials in saudi arabia, saudi officials, work, and you never

hear this, but it's factually correct, linked to the 9/11 attacks in this country. how exactly? instead of finding truth, our government appears to be, almost 20 years later, still protecting them. why is this happening? presidential candidate tulsi gabbard, one of the few who cares, joins us next. ♪ explain

♪ >> tucker: it has been 18

years since the 9/11 attacks, but the families of the victims arece still finding that their n government, our government, the u.s. government, is standing in the way of justice, and that's not aa metaphor. it's literally standing in the way. a group of them, people's whose loved ones were killed on 9/11 are suing saudi arabia for its alleged role in the attacks but federal officials in this country still for some reason will not declassify the 2012 report that detailed saudi ties to the t 9/11 hijackers, and the were many ties. according toto the department of justice, providing hope and closure to the family of victims would somehow endanger nationalu security. a president a candidate and congresswoman tulsi gabbard will respond to that in just aon mine but first of all we want to talk to two men at the very center, both lost their fathers on 9/11 and they are in the group suing the saudi government over this, they join us tonight. thank you both for coming. so i want to know, i will just go this way, am i overstating the degree to which the u.s. government is standing in a way

of getting this information? >> no. it's been 20 years. there's no reason why the government has declaredd state secrets on something that happened -- >> tucker: what are you looking to find? >> while, i mean personally, i want to find the truth. a foreign power assisted in the murder of my father 20 years ago and 3,000 others. >> i just wanted to say this, first of all, thank you, because you're the only host on any cable news network that had the courage to talk about ouron h s. >> tucker: it such an obvious story -- >> you deserve credit and if the president is listening tonight, and i hope that he is, he needs to know a couple things. chris and i shouldn't know each other. ourch government failed us 18 years ago and they are failing us again today. our fbi failed us 18 years ago in a couple of weeks ago they invokedan state secrets against us, which is the first time it's ever been done in any criminal case in the history of this country. what are they protecting? >> tucker: on behalf of the saudi government. >> our government and our fbi, and i want to say this -- most of the fbi they are good people, they are good americans.

chris and i, we are very patriotic people but to learn that the leadership of these departments, department of justice and the fbi are sued, choosing the saudis over us is nauseating, it makes me sick at every american should be sick and we are so grateful that presidential candidate jose gabbard is the first one to stand behind us. >> tucker: getting released just inking about this, that's infuriating. what you think this is about? >> and if one of the things, they are either covering up their own malfeasance or they are covering upf the come placidity of a foreign nation state. >> tucker: yes. >> both of them are equally terrible. >> tucker: so we are not -- i don't want to get over our skis but we do know the overall majority of the hijackers were saudi citizens. >> it's way more than that. we have concrete evidence that nobody is talking about. >> tucker: tell me. >> our government has it. there is the 2012 fbi summary report. it's not about iran. it's not about iraq, it's specifically about saudi arabia.

our fbi has thousands of documents that they are keeping a secret from chris, from me, and the american public that they are not releasing. n this is not a woe is me, i'm sorry i lost my dad, i'm sorry for this, no, this is 18 years on and this is about truth and justice and every american should be concerned -- >> tucker: so the report exist and you just want to see it? >> our lawyers have it but the fbi and the doj and the state department submitted the information under seal, so how disgusting is that? chris and i don't even know the name that are in these reports -- >> one name. >> there's one name. >> one name of a high-ranking saudi official. >> there's a hierarchy off command from senior level saudi official to write on to the hijackers. >> tucker: you guys lost her dad's on 9/11. >> we should know each other. we are here together united -- >> tucker: and our government is taking the side of the saudi kingdom over you. >> i wish we were lying. >> tucker: i don't think you are lying and i'm grateful that you're here and i hope that you will come back and i think it's quite depressing. i>> don't think any person

listening to this good side against you. i really don't. >> thank you. >> tucker: thank you. congresswoman tulsi gabbard is one of the very few demanding full disclosure of saudi ties to 9/11. yesterday she also called for ending u.s. military aid to the kingdom, she joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on, this is one of those issues i don't think is partisan, doesn't need to be, shouldn't be partisan ins any sense, it's an american issue. why would the u.s. government ever side with the saudi kingdom of all countries against our citizens? >> this is the real question that's at stake. the story that we are hearing from the families of those who were killed on 9/11 pushes this issue to the forefront were for so long leaders in our government have said saudi arabia is our great ally, they are our partner in counterterrorism, turning a blind eye or completely walking away from the reality that saudi arabia time and again has proven to be the opposite. they are undermining our national security interests.

they are, as you said, they are the number one exporter of this extremist ideology, it's a fertile recruiting ground for terrorists like al qaeda and isis around thert world. they are directly providing arms and assistance to al qaeda in places like yemen and in syria and as we are seeing here, it is our government, our own government that is hiding the truth from chris and brett and the many other families that those who were killed on 9/11, for what? where do the loyalties really like? >> tucker: i was thinking in the commercial break of the number of people i know personally -- not abstractly but have had lunch with, in this city were taken currently money from the saudi kingdom or theire allies in the emirates, the gulf states and i wonder if that may be placed on rule. a lot of people are on theirlf payroll. >> we talk about the foreign policy establishment in washington, we talk about the political elite, military-industrial complex.

we hear things from some of those people, hey, we sell a lot of weapons to saudi arabia, so if we burn bridges with them,it then who are we going to sell our weapons -- where are we going to get that money from? use all of these excuses that have nothing to do with the interests of the american people, with our national security interests, and that's it -- i'm proud and honored to be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with his 9/11 families in demanding this truth, because yes, it is about truth and justice and closure for all of them now as we approach 20 years since that attack on 9/11. it's also about our national security. safety and security of the americant' people. >> tucker: i will never forget right after 9/11 living here in the city of washington, our gairports were closed, all airports were closed in this country and learning that chartered flights of saudi citizens had been allowed with tiu.s. government approval to te off and run back to saudi arabia without being questioned by authorities here and thinking if that i would be in prison. why are we giving preference to

saudi citizens over our own citizens? >> exactly. it makes no sense if you think about -- what would happen if we actually o have leaders who were putting the interest of our country above all else? you follow the money trail. back to the military-industrial complex. if you look at how many of the think tanks here in washingtonra who send so-called experts to go and testifynk before congress wo are funded by saudi arabia to spout their talking points. if you saw the legislation that we passed in congress -- i was proud to vote for legislation that allowed families like chria and brett's to sue saudi arabia. they trotted out all of their lobbyists to say why that would be so dangerous. so dangerous for our interests for them to be allowed to seek justice for their families. this is about standing up for ours. country. this is about standing up for our principles and our freedoms and for the truth. >> tucker: so hillary clinton was secretary of state and she's honestly deeply interested in foreign affairs and she still talking about them, as you found out recently.

why isn't hillary clinton leading the charge on something like this? >> that's a great question, one that is veryre current low is wy am i the only presidential candidate -- >> tucker: [laughs] that's a good question! >> i'm serious. every single presidential candidate, every single american should be standing with these families, standing up for the truth, recognizing that this attack on our country was an attack on all of us. i enlisted because of this attack on 9/11, i wanted to do everything that i could to defeat and destroy the evil thay visited us on that day, so not only i feel personally invested in thiss like so many americans, but to see our government standing with saudi arabia, a country that continues to directly and indirectly support the very terrorists who attacked us on that day, that is a betrayal for me, for every one of my brothers and sisters who have been killed in combat i'm up for every these families who lost their ones on that date, the first responders, every single american has been betrayed by our leaders for

siding with saudi arabia rather than with --de >> tucker: i don't even see the other side to this debate and by the way, anyone who has another perspective is welcome on the set, i would like to hear it. >> so what i. >> tucker: tulsi gabbard, thank you so much, good to see you. oberlin college was timed to find over $30 million for trying to destroy a small business right on the road. has the school paid any of that money? and if not, why not? we have a fascinating update to that saga after the break. also, mark steyn joins us tonight. he's ahead. ♪ tonight. whether you're out here on lte.

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most liberal college, try to rob a family business -- try to steal a bottle of booze among other things. when they were caught, one of them assaulted the son of the owner physically. in response to that oberlin college amazingly attacked the bakery is racist and tried to destroy, try to run it out of business. they sued in a few months ago a jury awarded oberlin to pay the family $44 million in damages. so that's where we last left the story. what happened next? jacobson is follow the story closer than maybe anybody and maybe -- think he has. bill, what happened? 44 million, is the gibson family enjoying their reward? >> they are not, the college continues to fight a purity irony of ironies, liberal oberlin invoked republican tort reform caps and got the award reduced from 44 million to 25 -- >> tucker: you're making that up. >> i'm not making that up. >> and then the judge awarded six and a half million dollars

of legal fees for gibson's with about 32 million that oberlin owes. they are continuing to fight it, they have appealed it, they are continuing to attack the bakery. in fact in a really extraordinary move, after the trial was over, they tried to get unsealed facebook records from one of the gibson's children, the clerk. the students who wasn't a party, didn't testify and why release these facebook records? it's because oberlin continues to demonize this small family bakery, refuses to accept any responsibility for what they did to them and shows no remorse and they are appealing at. they fired additional lawyers for the appeal. they've already spent or their insurers spent $5 million fighting this little bakery and they just cannot seem -- >> tucker: shafting the little people. oberlin, meanwhile for viewers who are not aware, it's like the scary type of the annoying rich kid school. it is not actually a real college but it's incredibly expensive but it's incredibly expensive and i have a lot of

money. why don't they just pay? >> they have a reputation of being a kooky lefty he started school but they have really shown a cold heart here. they have been completely heartless towards this bakery. they have no empathy towards the bakery. it's almost a sociopathic sort of malevolence towards this bakery because the bakery stood up to them and it's really bizarre, i don't know what's going on there but i know a lot of alumni are very upset about it and i would be too if i weren't oberlin alum because the value of your degree has been diminished by multiple administrations at oberlin who simply want to crush this little family bakery and it makes no sense in any real world. >> tucker: third degree is less than worthless. i would never hire someone who went there, but this is so revealing, scratch a liberal and you find a fascist. what a public service you have done following the story, i hope you will come back to it we will celebrate when they finally get their money. baby it's cold outside has become "baby it's woke outside."

the holiday classic is rewritten for the #metoo era, mark steyn on that. ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ i wish i knew how ♪ to break the spell ♪ i'll take your hat ♪ your head looks swell >> tucker: the holidays are

approaching so it's time for what's become a new annual ritual. people in brooklyn fretting over baby it's cold outside. a songwriter is teaming up to release a new version of the duet. their version includes lyrics like "i can call you a rod" and the abortion affirming, it's your body, it's your choice. trivia new holiday classic. marc stein is also a fairly renowned musicologist. are you getting the album, mark? >> i don't think i will be. it's not enough at our age, we can't create anything new. we also have to destroy everything that went before us, and this is an appalling act of vandalism on a great song by a great songwriter. i think one of the reasons this is happening, tucker, is because basically lame chemistry free celebrity do you rest about the

only thing propping up the music industry these days. there are a lot of seasonal duets. everybody does it. tony bennett, lady gaga, but the point about this -- >> tucker: i like that. >> the point about this songing it's flurry station on both parts and one of the hideous things about the last 10 years is that social media has made everyone incredibly literal, and so we can't actually understand something where, as you saw just how they are actually playing the sub text. they are actually saying, we're singing words but underneath we're attracted to each other, and that concept is too mind bobblingly complex for our

literal generation and it's one reason why, as a famous songwriter said complaining to me, if you look at something like santa baby, every version -- contemporary singers doing standards, they often miss the point of these things as they have done on a nuclear scale with "baby, it's cold outside." >> tucker: it seems right to me what you just said. you think social media is a digital immersion. you think that's what driving this? >> i would say so. for example, if you -- you look at what john legends written, do you really want to be singing a love duet. esther and ricardo -- they are singing the song because they are attracted to each other. otherwise, you don't spend three minutes singing back and forth to each other. the minute john legend says,

instead of singing "baby it's cold outside," he says i can call you a ride, i guess because he can't come up with a rhyme. it's beyond him. the minute you say, the minute you say i really can't -- oh, no problem. i totally respect that. the song is over. where are you going to go? that's not material to sing about but we've reached such a stage of bone crushing literalism. you know the one other thing about this, tucker -- was exposed to this song in greeley, colorado, in 1949. he went back to egypt and bank the leading force behind the muslim brotherhood because, baby, it's cold outside. the world has reached the same stage, the same attitude to baby it's cold outside as the muslim brotherhood. they have actually reached the same point in the continuum. >> tucker: they don't even believe in god. they don't have a good excuse for it. marc stein. great to see you tonight.

thank you, as always. >> i really can't stay, tucker, put some records on. we're out of time. we'll be back tomorrow. sean hannity from new york. >> welcome to hannity, yeah, crazy democrats exposed. let not your heart be troubled. the great one mark levine, i just checked in with him, he is fired up and he will be joining us tonight. lara trump joins us tonight, so many of you have been asking -- we have the history -- two days after president trump is elected, impeachment started all through 2017, 2018, 2019 -- we got it all covered. we've got the long version but we can't play it every night because it takes too long. that is coming up. plus mystery surrounding the identity of the