>> bill: [laughs] best story today! >> melissa: we are getting an hour this weekend, to be clear. make sure you show up to work on time. >> bill: that's good news. have a great weekend, everybody. we are now into november as we march on. >> sandra: "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, she has a plan. and i we know the cost. elizabeth warren finally releasing the details on a medicare for all plan that comes with a staggering $52 trillion price tag. she insists middle-class americans won't pay an extra penny. as part of her plan, war and intensive at the wealthy and corporations with new taxes. the president's chief economist or economic advisor, larry kudlow, giving it a big thumbs down. >> i think would be devastating to the economy. this idea of medicare for all and the so-called green new deal and other proposals i've heard, i don't want to get into politics.

policy grounds, this would have a devastating, catastrophic effect. it would probably take out as much is 15 to 20% of our entire gdp. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox news contributor, katie pavlich. executive director of the serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. u.s. attorney for the southern district attorney of new york and fox news contributor, andy mccarthy. we will get reaction from the couch and just a minute. first, let's bring in peter doocy, is in washington, on reaction from one of warren's biggest 2020 rivals. >> melissa, joe biden has been saying medicare for all is too expensive for months. that's back when he thought it would only cost $30 trillion over a decade. but elizabeth warren has been telling us she has a math major in a phd program. checking the numbers. the big when they came back with was $52 trillion over ten years,

which is how much would be spent on health care without her plan in place. $52 trillion would cover getting rid of all insurance companies and provider networks, and still guarantee sole heir of coverage full health coverage and long-term care for 31 million people. she says she can do it without raising taxes on the middle class. but she is going to start collecting elsewhere with the new taxes on ultra millionaires, new fees on some financial transactions, and an overall cutting back of the budget. she says when released, "my approach to medicare for all would mark one of the greatest federal expansions of middle-class wells in our history. it medicare for all can be financed without any taxes on the middle class, instead of asking giant corporations, the wealthy, and the well-connected to pay their fair share, that exactly what we should do." but the biden campaign believes

warren is bluffing. an official over there says the mathematical gymnastics in this plan are all geared toward adding a simple truth for voters. it's impossible to pay for medicare for all without middle-class tax increases." over the last couple months i've asked warren multiple times on the campaign trail whether or not her health care plan would raise middle-class taxes. she never answered directly. now that her plan is out, it's not clear why she didn't. melissa? >> melissa: i have a lot of questions, peter. thank you for that report. i'm going to start with this one, andy. i want to make sure i had all the verbiage rate she said, "i am releasing my plan, here's the headline -- my plan won't raise taxes 1 penny on middle-class families." then you read it, and really quickly i found three taxes on the middle class. i think she didn't read it. one of them is $1.4 trillion on take-home pay. that's everybody, because middle-class people take home

pay. $2.9 trillion on financial transactions. so she assumes middle-class people don't have one sent in a 401(k) or an ira or roth or anything like that. and $1.25 trillion on small business owners, by taking away the depreciation rule. i look that up. according to payscale.com, the average business owner makes $85,000 to $75,000. i think those people are probably middle-class. i found in her plan three taxes on middle class people, so i would she headline it was what is ostensibly a lie? >> andy: it's hard to understand. those of the direct ones you can quickly find. the big problem with this stuff always is the dynamic effect of it. for example, she is calling for $9 trillion in taxes on employers. anyone who doesn't think that has an effect on everyone who works in the economy is crazy.

there's the political problem, 180 million people who get their health insurance from health insurance. who don't want -- you are reasonably happy with what they have a don't want to change it. >> harris: you mean private? private health insurance. >> andy: yeah. >> melissa: people who don't want the private health care taken away. how do you think this plays? from a political perspective, having been out in the campaign trail against her, she has been answering this question dogging her. how do you feel she did answering it? 's because she answered in a detailed way. we can debate the details but she did put an answer out. she's being pressured to do this for months by other candidates. it was interesting to me that vice president biden's response was so appointed. harsher than i think he's going after her in the past. it feels like health care is going to emerge as one of the real decision points for democratic primary voters. there are people like elizabeth warren, people who

like i work for, seth moulton, and others. they think we need a public option. there's people like pete buttigieg you say "medicare for all who want it." their democrats were nervous about this concept and is emerging at the fault line. in the stomach of a primary. i think it'll be interesting to watch how that plays out going forward. elizabeth warren is running a pretty good campaign in many ways. this is one place i think she's been tripping up a little bit. >> harris: can ask a quick follow? i will ask it of you based on what marie just said, katie. is it possible that this has exploded on the scene? as mary said, it's a focal point. she got that clue from joe biden during the democratic debate. nothing has been done much since voters for democrats in the midterm elections last year promised they would do some things, and that was the number one thing you know about that they listed. you fast-forward, you got nonaction on it. >> katie: if you go back to the 2018 midterms, health care was one of the number one topics and issues people voted on. that will not only be a huge

debate in the democratic primary, but one president trump is going to have to deal with once he gets a final opponent on the left. also, for everyone running for reelection in the house, this is a major topic. democrats are hitting republicans on pre-existing conditions and a lot of other issues that continue to take up the oxygen in the health care debate. when it comes to elizabeth warren's plan, she has become the front runner in the democratic primary at this point. joe biden's response was probably pointed because he has to find a way to get back into that front runner status. when you look at the details, one of the big things that sunk comella harris' campaign is that she was going to take a private insurance for everyone in america. this does exactly that. when you look at what elizabeth warren said, she said "we are going to take money from employers and make them pay into this medicare for all." which is a really government socialist health care program. that means it's an elimination

of private insurance through an employer, which the majority people, that's how they get their health insurance. the vast majority of them like their insurance. so this idea that you are going to keep your plan is a big one. one final thing real quickly, medicare for all or any kind of insurance program is not health care. as we seen with obamacare, we've seen rationing of care, fewer doctors, and this big government program will do more of that. >> marie: if donald trump comes out of his own plan, that would be interesting. elizabeth warren will say, "you might not like my plan but at least i'm thinking big thoughts on this. the republicans promised repeal and replace. where is that?" >> katie: but the white house is working on things piecemeal in terms of prescription drugs. >> harris: i want to ask you about the numbers, if that's okay. i was looking for here. how did elizabeth warren find money between her estimate of $20.5 trillion? not a small number. and the lower estimate that the

urban estimate recently reported of $42 trillion? that's a big chunk of change difference. that would be needed. that amount, $34 trillion to fund a single-payer program. >> melissa: i have no idea. >> harris: coupons? >> melissa: i don't know, there are a lot of people crunching these numbers and i watch the back and forth long. i know a lot of people are trying to get the folks on tv to talk about how they came to these numbers. i think the largest point is, what she is talking about doing when she says, "but we won't be spending this other money that was already going on health care," that is that piece where she is saying we are going to blow up and take away and outlaw the entire private health care industry. >> harris: so all of that spending goes away, because -- all those people are unemployede way. millions of people instantly unemployed. don't forget about that. because we are going to up that industry. which, by the way, we do massive damage to our economy. i don't think anybody really

think this could happen, so they are not playing out how devastating this would be. >> harris: real quickly, you mentioned the tax on financial trades and how that could affect everybody. but there's also this huge fee on large banks to raise $100 billion over a decade. how does it work? >> melissa: she goes to the bank to get money because that's where the money is. >> harris: that's not her money! [laughter] >> andy: [laughs] >> melissa: hollywood a list or aaron sorkin calling out mark zuckerberg and has policy not to remove political ads from the social media site. how zuckerberg dug deep into the aaron sorkin movie archives to flip the script, quite literally. plus, republicans say x white house official tim morrison's testimony in the impeachment inquiry helps provide the president -- helps prove the president did nothing wrong on his ukraine call. but democrats say he backed

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>> harris: we come in with this fox news alert as there is new fallout after the house passed that resolution yesterday, to move forward with the impeachment inquiry against president trump. democrats are looking to speak to four additional witnesses behind closed doors. that is set for monday, and they are pushing for former national security advisor john bolton to testify sometime next week. as attorney says he won't appear without a subpoena.

this, as both political sides are seizing on the testimony of former white house official tim morrison to bolster their argument. republicans noting that morrison testified yesterday he was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed on the president's july phone call with ukrainian president. watch. >> i don't know who the democrats would bring forward, because there hasn't been any witness who has credibly put forth any information that would support that something illegal happened on the call. tim morrison was just the latest to confirm there was nothing illegal or improper. >> harris: however, democrats were saying that morrison backed up other witnesses like the top u.s. diplomat to do ukraine, william taylor, who testified. he did believe there was a quid pro quo. and then adam schiff downplayed the idea that morrison sang nothing illegal happened hurts their case. adam schiff, the house intel

chairman, also denied republican claims that impeachment rules are unfair. andy, let's start with the notion of, where is the crime? what is the crime? as congressman ratcliff was pointing out, do you have any witnesses yet? we haven't seen any. that say there's evidence of a crime? with the exception of maybe bill taylor who says quid pro quo. >> andy: my head is about to explode. >> harris: wasn't my question? [laughter] >> andy: just watching all this! [laughs] they can have -- what is it, 330 million people in the country? they can all read the transcript and they can all give a different expression of what the transcript means. the fact is, we have the transcript. we are reasonably confident what was said. we don't need 20 people who are listening to the conversation and could tell us what it all means. we can figure out for ourselves what it all means. secondly, all this talk about the crime to you don't need a crime for impeachment.

for impeachment, they need to have an abuse of power that is sufficiently egregious. that it goes to the trust we reposed in an office-older. it can be a felony if you have a felony, but it does need to be. so all this chatter about quid pro quo -- there is quid pro quo in every single exchange. the question is, is the exchange in this instance and abuse of power? was it for his personal political advancement, as opposed to something for america? which is not always easy to parse out. >> harris: but you will have to make that clear? right? what you just said love to be clear that clear level. the mega public sees this and they are in a new season. it's a presidential election season. can you pop up that new abc "washington post" poll? which is americans are sharply divided. not a huge surprise, on

whether to impeach and remove the present. remember how the ask the question. "impeach and remove." 49%, katie, said president trump should be impeached and removed. 47% say he should not. the case andy is laying out, it's true -- it's less about a crime. you have to show whether it was a crime or not is enough to undo what the people did. >> katie: there are other polls in key political safe that show the majority of the people don't want the president impeached and removed. it's about the way the question was asked. he might be impeached for the house. this is not an impeachment process officially. he is not going to be removed by the senate. republican senators made it very clear that impeachment, if it goes to the official process, which we are not in, will be dead upon arrival. i just want to ask andy the question and to clarify, because democrats this morning on fox are saying, "i want to be clear,

this is about process. this isn't a real impeachment process. it's an inquiry to start investigation." but back home and fund-raising emails, for example from jerry nadler, he is telling constituents they are doing impeachment. this difference between the few that i don't think has been defined in the language. >> andy: i think what they are parsing is that they have a gun to the formal articles of impeachment. but they've endorsed it. >> melissa: i want to get al-baghdadi hero quickly i want to get marie in hero quickly. then congressman debbie dingell who said, "absolute, this was not impeachment." she was emphatic the other day on "outnumbered." "this is only an investigation." how many democrats would you say are in that camp? are those people you have to win over if you are adam schiff or jerry nadler? >> marie: all but two democrats voted for this in the house, so i would say they are pretty united. it's bigger than just the call. it's not a transcript.

colonel vindman testified there were things removed from it, which i think we should see. next week i think we will start getting to public hearings. the american people -- >> harris: there's pressure on democrats to do that. >> marie: they have said the whole time they are going to. my point is it's not just about the call. it's about a pattern of the relationship with ukraine in the military aid that was held over months. the call is but one part of it. >> andy: i was only interested in the call because that's what he was talking about. let me make this one point -- the president is freezing his defense in place by saying again and again that this was perfect. his best defense here is that this does not rise to the level of impeachment. to make that case, you need to confront what they say was wrong and why it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. as long as they are saying -- as long as their defense is "it's perfect, there is no quid pro quo," they will never get to that. >> melissa: i think it's even easier than that. if you go back to the original argument where you say it's not illegal, that is about the abuse

of power, it means "was it for me come over for the u.s.?" if were honest, both he and joe biden ironically had the exact same defense. they did something that was for them, but they can cloak it in that it also happened to be the best thing for the u.s. >> marie: what did joe biden do, melissa? he did do anything with burisma. what did he do? >> melissa: if i am overseeing ukraine are going to china, all those things. can answer that? it's about the idea of pushing to get rid of the prosecutor. that help to the guy his son was working for -- >> marie: i'm asking about -- >> melissa: you are making my point. >> andy: but you are not supposed to be making government policy if you have a conflict of interest. >> marie: but he wasn't making

it, obama was. >> melissa: can i finish? he was overseeing it. he specifically asked. he said in his own words, as he sat on tape, "you must fire this guy because he's corrupt," that is the thing that helps you personally that is cloaked in what is best for the u.s. if we are all honest -- >> marie: that doesn't help joe biden. >> melissa: it absolutely does. >> marie: it might help his son, but that's not him. >> harris: how do you see that playing a role in this impeachment inquiry? >> melissa: i'm saying that his point is the argument is, "was this for me or the u.s.?" in order for it to be an abuse of power it has to be "this is for me." the fact that it only has to ber the u.s., i think that's his best argument. i don't know how you sell that, but it's answering the abuse of power question. >> andy: i just think your best argument here is that nothing terrible happened. you don't impeach someone over over -- >> marie: we'll see. >> harris: he said it might have had political invitations, but he didn't believe anything

legally untoward -- i'm paraphrasing that part. >> katie: ukrainians also say there wasn't a quid pro quo, so... >> marie: they didn't get the aid. >> katie: if you are going to accuse someone of a quid pro quo, it's kind of required. >> marie: [laughs] this is what these months will be like. [laughter] >> harris: president trump is saying goodbye, new york city! hello, florida! where he says he's pulling up stakes in the city where he achieved his fame and wealth, at least some of it. plus, the hunt is on for hillary clinton's emails. again? why a top republican says it so important that he sees her communications with former president barack obama. ♪ great news for my fellow veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped to near record lows. the newday team is working overtime so every veteran can save $2000 a year.

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clinton's use of a private server as secretary of state could have exposed her communications to foreign adversaries. the "i right to request a no green occasions between former secretary of state under clinton and president obama. general 2018 i requested the department of justice produce emails secretary clinton sent to president obama while she was located in the territory of a sophisticated adversary." johnson adds that the doj says it was not in a position to produce those emails. his new request sites communication from former fbi agent peter strzok to james comey's chief of staff, which johnson says indicates multiple emails exist between obama and clinton. andy, k they can't think andy, they can't get these emails from the permit of justice or the deferment of state, either. why is this still relevant to couple years later? >> andy: when this came up at the time, recollection is there somewhere between -- i want to say one dozen and two dozen

communications between secretary clinton and president obama. i don't know about chains of conviction are individual or discrete communications. at the time when this came up, what my recollection is is that they invoked the presidential records act to seal it. my complaint at the time -- and it's still my complaint -- i think they were classified communications. by invoking the presidential communications act, it was a way of concealing them without having to discuss that they leaked customer information. >> katie: is that why the doj is not producing them? >> andy: certainly president obama would say so, and secretary clinton would have been one of his key advisors. those kind of communications are presumptively -- >> melissa: why do we care about this? do you think there's something in the email, or just proving that the conversation? >> katie: of the context of

who the meals are about and to and from. it's them and legibly discussing emails between peter strzok and james comey. harris, we know we have all these emails coming out talking about insurance policy and with the fbi was doing during the 2016 election. the question has been, "what did president obama know about what has fbi was doing?" >> harris: and there was just the, if you will, the flavor of the time, andy. i will ask you this. that there was bias at the fbi. is that the nugget we are still trying to get to? we don't seem to want to do much when we do find those things. [laughs] what is the accountability there? >> andy: the bias has been pretty much established. what has not been established is whether any decision that they made was traceable to the bias. the way horowitz phrase that part of his report is not entirely clear. but it just seems to me, just if

i were defending president trump on impeachment, i want everything out there in the nature of abuse of power. if we are going to be talking about abuse of power for the next three or four months, i would want to make the point that these are all the things in the nature of abuse of power the democrats are not interested in either learning about or cracking them up on. >> melissa: what do we think is underneath here? it's not about using your email email -- >> katie: republicans had questions about whether the white house under obama, the obama white house, was directing some of this to look into the trump campaign. >> marie: if the insinuation is that hillary clinton and president obama were discussing peter strzok, i would probably put my life savings on the fact that they were not. because they had a lot of things to discuss, and that seems to me like a lot of insinuation and, quite frankly, conspiracy theory. i see no evidence to back up that there's anything in these

emails beyond reaching government business. i think, to andy's point, this is senator johnson tractor for a lot of spaghetti at the wall during the impeachment hearing to try and muddy the waters. "i know you think we are bad, but maybe there's something in these emails we haven'ts: can in that point? i don't know that i would call it spaghetti, but i would agree with you. as you said, to gettion of the conversation so you can point out things and say, "but this was untoward." or whatever. and notice the difference. when you find an actual crime, you defend against that crime or try to prove that crime. but when it is potentially something that some people think might be inappropriate, behavior of a president or whatever, then he tried to do the whataboutism if you think you can sell that politically. speefour but there's no evidence that -- >> melissa: but you don't know that. >> marie: i think johnson doesn't want them out. that he wants to put up the accusation. >> katie: there is evidence in

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phone call with the ukrainian president allowed with the american people to show what a "good call" it was. the president also signaling that he will not cooperate with the democrats impeachment inquiry. andy, two questions for you on this idea. [laughter] comparing donald trump to fdr, my head is now exploding like yours was earlier. two questions for you. do you think this would be politically helpful? a lot of the language in that call does not sound good. b, how would he address the idea that people have now testify that this was not a full transcript? there are things that were omitted in that. i would he deal with that, do you think? >> andy: i think the president likes to brainstorm. and that's what he's doing. [laughter] i do think in principle that the idea of reading the transcript -- and we can debate whether it's a transcript, i get that -- but the idea of reading it is one thing. the idea of giving a speech about the conversation and explaining what he was trying to

accomplish, in a way where they can think about what he's going to say before he says it and make the case, he would be his own best advocate. i think that would be a good idea. the idea of sitting and reading the transcripts, i don't think that's helpful. to give an address in the oval office -- >> melissa: he would have to not ad lib, though. >> harris: i don't agree with that. i think reading the transcript would be interesting to see. >> andy: oh, i agree with that. [laughs] >> harris: no, i mean interesting to see the substance that the president would hit back on and add to. i don't see much difference between those two things. i do agree with melissa that there has to be discipline there for him to stick to the script and to explain why, in fact -- and then we can really understand why, in fact, he calls it a perfect call or whatever he has said. he may say, "you know what? when you get to this part, maybe you have questions about that. let me answer it." to me, he is his own best marketing. if you're not going to have a war room to do it, you do need a

warrior. he has proven in marketing to be just that sort of thing. it started off with economics in this country. i was recently at the fdr presidential library, it's about 45 minutes north of the city here. it's a beautiful place, and they talk about "nothing to fear but fear itself," in those early fireside chat radio addresses. how effective they really were. >> marie: donald trump is not fdr. >> harris: i'm saying has to be. >> melissa: i think he is trolling. trolling democrats, trolling people that he will come out and read it. he is ripping off the theatrica theatrical, dramatic reading of the mueller report. he is riffing off that and trolling democrats who he thinks are risking choking on their own moral fiber when they can't laugh at anything and i've gotten so serious about everything, everything is a dire circumstance per the world was coming to an end. he is trolling. >> harris: or his attorneys don't want them to do it. >> katie: that make space not be true, that he's trolling, but

also has phone call has been taken out of context by a number of, including adam schiff. it was running this impeachment inquiry. if adam schiff can read a fake call in front of all the cameras, i think the president of the united states can read a real phone call that he believes doesn't rise to an impeachable offense, and a lot of people don't -- >> melissa: you could walk to the end of his driveway and read it. >> katie: we always talk about people needing to read things. people are going to read the transcript, but they will listen to the president reading it on air, and watch it. >> harris: are usually thirsty to hear from a defendant in a case? are they going to put that person up on the stand? with the president is doing, as katie is saying, he's taking the material in question and presenting it. maybe along without you get the thoughts. >> andy: always. always, they want to hear from the defendant. this goes back to what i was trying to say at the beginning. maybe i didn't mean to get this well enough. when that happens in a trial, you don't just go with the

transfer. you ask what it means, and you with an elaborate and explain. what i'm saying is i think in oval office speech where he does that, within the framework of the transcript, if that's what you want to do. but where he basically says, "this is what i was trying to get across," that would be very effective for him. >> marie: i would love to see that, andy. we'll get our popcorn ready for that one. speaking of popcorn, one of hollywood's most prominent liberal voices, aaron sorkin, taking shots at the facebook political ad policy. now mark zuckerberg is answering right back. how the facebook foundries using aaron sorkin's own words against him. stay tuned. music mystical ♪ to walk along the lonely street of dreams ♪ ♪ here i go again on my--- you realize your vows are a whitesnake song?

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"america isn't easy. america is advanced citizenship. you got to want it bad." remember when michael douglas said that? book because it's going to put up a fight. it's going to say, you want free speech? lets you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who is standing center stage in advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing of the top of yours. you want to claim this land as the land of the free? been the symbol of your country can be a flag." i think he says "bob." [laughter] "the symbol has been one of its citizens, exercising his right to bring that flag in protest. show me that predefend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. then you can stand up and sing with the land of the free." you're 5 minutes of fame are up to maker 15 can make is that it went? it was a really good movie. what does he do the year >> andy: he depressed me by telling me that movie was more than 20 years old. [laughter] >> melissa: so chu! >> andy: you're killing me

>> andy: c6 my attitude about tr what it is worth, i don't think we want them policing speech. we want speech policed as little as possible. i did terrorism cases for a long time. we have a nice bright line between incitement to violence and criminality, versus "let the sun shine." i think we should be "with the sun shine." you don't facebook in the middle of policing. >> harris: what about the fact-checking? that zuckerberg says he does sometimes but not all the time? that's basically what we learned on l. >> andy: but the fury of our society is that everybody gets to make their case. if it's wrong, or if it's false, that gets flushed out by everybody making their case. i don't think you want facebook policing matt. >> melissa: can i comment a little bit on what mark zuckerberg did by throwing this back at him? it was clever and a couple different ways. in one way, he used his own words. they were very eloquent, and use

them against him. saying come over but you were this beautiful speech about free speech and how it has to be ugly in order to be free. you can't just champion free speech were new like with the person is saying." but he also did, it in there, talk about that it's not easy. that is a lot of the problem with everybody in hollywood telling people the to like facebook and everywhere else how to do their job. it's very easy to sit back and pontificate were not in the trenches trying to do the work. it saying, "aaron sorkin kelly wright movies, that's lovely. but i'm trying to oversee this giant, messy business." as president obama said recently, it's not -- everything isn't black and white. it's not clear." he he singer not going to find the perfect person on the perfect candidate. that everybody has done something. >> harris: not everybody can be completely woke on every

issue. >> marie: zuckerberg and jack dorsey at twitter, these companies, i don't feel like they are doing everything they can to crack down on hate speech, on sexist speech, on threats of rape and violence to women." aoc, for all her flaws, she sat in the hearing and asked mark zuckerberg what i thought were very basic questions about his business platform. a private company. he couldn't answer them. you know what? they don't get the benefit of the debt right now. i don't know that aaron sorkin, who i love from "the west wing" and other things, is the right person to make the argument. facebook, you should want your platform being used to purposefully mislead the american people in a democracy. whether they should police speech, i don't think they should come either. but they have to do better. >> andy: they either have to dip it or they don't. >> harris: hold on one second, i want to get katie in here. >> katie: when you start carving out speech you don't like -- sexist speech, hate speech -- as hate speech, you are carving out exceptions of the first amendment.

you can't just ban things because you don't like something because you take it as sexist. but that being said, we want fact-checkers. he was going to do the fact-checking? after this week with the dog being fact-checked and the means of the present out, who is fact-checking the fact-checkers? where they qualified to do it? >> melissa: what about elizabeth warren's adler she said, "this plan right here will not tax the middle class 1 penny?" and i went in and found that immediately is a lie? could that stay up? yes or no? >> marie: who fact-checked the news organizations can make these people exist! they exist in the world! a >> andy: of your news organizations. >> melissa: is a circle. >> harris: president trump, a lifelong new yorker, now changing his primary residence to a key battleground state. why the change? and the reaction from some of his most powerful critics in new york. musical music [ new york, new york."

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the way out, or whatever." i'm glad he added that "or whatever," provided a lot of clarity. [laughter] when i read this this morning, i thought one thing -- i'm getting ripped off in new york city prove my tax burden is higher than ever. with the quality of life is going down and down. if i didn't work here, i would probably go somewhere else, as much as i love new york. do you think it was impetus? >> andy: yeah. [laughs] i saw a picture of the other day, there was some basketball player, i think, who got treated from florida to california, and the first thing he figures that when he gets there is he's now paying lots of taxes instead of none. >> melissa: they should have told them that before they made the deal, that there would be the tax burden. do you think this is about treating badly, or just good economics? >> marie: or politics. >> melissa: how would it be politics? >> marie: there were some rumors in the press, unnamed source and sing political team advised him that it might be best for 2020 if he was a

florida present. i don't know if that's true. he's not a competitive and new york come obviously they will vote for a democrat in the presidential. but florida is a swing state. if he's a resident, maybe you can tip the votes. >> melissa: they kind of treated him like a resident last time around, didn't they? >> marie: he put a ring on it. [laughter] >> katie: if i were president trump paying as much money in taxes as he probably does, living in new york city where everybody hates me, i would leave, too. why not? a >> marie: so we should see his tax returns and judge of our self. i just came up with the answer! >> katie: i think i know what they would say. >> andy: i was in palm beach yesterday, he was 85 degrees and sunny. why does he need a better reason than that? >> melissa: i don't know! >> marie: florida has some issues, too, just be clear. >> melissa: i'm ready to go, but alas! i love my place on the couch so i will stay here. thank you to andrew mccarthy. everybody else on the couch here. we will be back here on the couch at noon eastern.

i will see you at 4:00 p.m. on fox business. here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, former white house russia expert tim morrison is defending president trump's ukraine call. he did so in closed-during testimony. this is "outnumbered overtime," and harris faulkner. morrison told lawmakers he was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed on that call, but worried, perhaps, that there could be some political issues. the testimony added new pressure for house intelligence chairman adam schiff, who was pressed about the lack of witnesses overtly claiming that president trump has committed any crimes. >> none, to my knowledge, so far have said "because i knew it was illegal, or an abuse of his power." do you think that hurts you can marry because certainly bolsters the courage of republicans to say