today? waiting to see if and when we get a china trade deals signed. hope was by next week, now, by next month. we shall see. here comes "the five." ♪ >> juan: hello everyone. i'm juan along with kennedy, jesse watters, dana. this is "the five." ♪ >> juan: brand-new developments in the brutal murder in mexico. the suspect had two hostages bound and gagged as well as an assault rifle and bullet proof suv. we are also learning more about how this could have happened. mexican officials say the gunmen

may have mistaken the vehicle for those of an arrival gang. they may have been deliberately targeted. speak of the vehicles had left our community, we believe that t to try to attract the cartel to them to bring the war to them. she came around a corner and they just, i mean, they just unleashed on the vehicle. they came up to the vehicle, shot more shots, searched, you know, rated the vehicle, and then incinerated it, set it a blaze, and burned everybody alive. >> juan: while president trump says it's time to wage war over the killings, mexico's president is being criticized for his response.

senator tom of arkansas, calling out arkansas for not doing more doing more. >> presidents lopez's policy of not bullets. that may be nice for a children's fairy tale, but the only answer is more bullets. if they can't protect people in mexico, we may have to take matters into our own hands. >> juan: we don't know exactly what happened, but what appears to have happened now, according to authorities is that you have one drug cartel going to sonora. apparently, go after these people because they wanted to attract the opposition cartel to go in and fight. >> dana: like using them as bait. yes. i have to say, maybe that's all true. i think the united states should ask for its own people to be

there and do an investigation, but i'm not sure that i would trust what the mexican government is going to say about this, because clearly already they are saying to the president of the united states, we are good here. we don't need your help. we've got a handle on all of this. clearly, they don't have a handle on the cartel. >> juan: but they did capture them. >> dana: again, i would love for that subject to be questioned by an american interrogator. it could be that there are americans there actually d to do that. i go back to what can we do? it's not like you take out one cartel and then the problem is over. this is a deeply entrenched problem all across mexico. imagine if you had 90 homicides a day, what would happen in the country russian market would never happen in this country. if i were the mexicans, it doesn't have to

be made in terms of bullets. maybe it is another way to help them with their governments, but to turn a blind eye to the united states being really frustrated on this problem, i think what leads these mexicans down a really bad path, i would take action as the president of the united states. i think there is ample proof of that from the violence as well as the activities that they participate in. $150 billion of illegal drugs into the country. whether we legalize drugs, maybe we will do that in the future, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. i think days think designating them as a terrorist organization right now, i think that it's the right thing to do. >> juan: the issue of sovereignty does occur. he says well, the drug cartel activity actually crosses the border. there's a lot of drug violence here in the united states that we have to contend with. so, how do you just go into another country and say you know

what? we are coming in? >> jesse: we do that all the time, juan. it's what we do. you look at the guy who runs mexico. hugs, not bullets? it's like code pink is running the show down there. i mean, is he bought off by the cartel? i mean, that's the exact thing that the cartel wants the mexican president to say. "hugs, not bullets." something really disgraceful is going on down there, and they are on the done mike thin ice i agree with dana. you declare war not on drugs, because that's not popular. the political winner is war on cartels. that gives the president enhanced power to fight the violence of trafficking and smuggling. this cartel is so deeply rooted

that you need a counterinsurgency to take them out. i don't really know if this is just about drugs. it's also about smuggling and sovereignty. use of the guy we had on just now saw that this was about one cartel fighting for a smuggling root against another cartel. that means that a wall on the southern border, juan, in strategic locations will work. not all the drugs come through ports of entry. they are talking about smuggli smuggling. >> kennedy: that's what this particular -- >> jesse: that's where a lot of the drugs pour into, because it's so hilly and mountainous. you need walls in strategic locations. the only people that don't want walls, democrats and the carte cartels. >> juan: the war on drugs is not necessarily a winner. >> jesse: i don't think that's a winner. if you do go in hard, it's going to send the price of drugs

skyrocketing. you know? >> juan: all right so, greg, where you come out on this? you also think, war on drugs, what's the point here? >> greg: the blood lust is caused by drug lust. what the cartels don't do is they don't sell pot. the reason why they don't sell anymore pot is because the u.s. competition killed the market. it used to be that pot for decades was going in one direction, north from mexico to the united states. now, it has dropped by 75%. legalization killed the posh market for mexico. i don't think you should legalize something to kill a cartel, but there is something in there you regulated. you have an industry. you get rid of the critical element and that's what happens. i think they are probably dealing fentanyl, heroin, and

probably coke. unlike isis, they make stuff we want. so we are killing people who are essentially providing something for us. jesse's point, you should toughen the border, and that includes everything including the wall. talk about criminalization, which i think is important. here's something you can't do. you can't stop small religious sects from moving to a violent wasteland. it puts your family and your children into harm's way. you can advise them that there is not a good idea, that this is nuts, but they still were they are. is this our battle? i'm not so sure this is our battle. if you are willing to stop -- if you aren't willing to stop me from doing drugs after the show, why would you expect someone else to? >> kennedy: why would you think that just targeting supply

is going to defect demand? this is the manifestation of the black market which has now reached a record of off power in mexico and central america. that's why we have the immigration issues that we have, because these governments have been decimated by the ones that want to make money and they have to be the ones to control the market. he loved the idea of legal cocaine in columbia, because he could sell it to anyone. but there is a difference if drugs are legal in the united states, because then they no longer have control over supply and demand. do i think people should be doing drugs? i do not. i wish fewer people did drugs, but the point is they are going to. there's an appetite. we punish people and throw them in prison for making consensual transactions. maybe we need to rethink that aspect of it and to your point, we need to talk about practically how do you get from here, which is thousands and thousands of murders to there, which is destroying their

marketplace? >> juan: just quickly, greg, you would not advise, this was an offshoot of the mormons that had moved there. you would say don't go? >> greg: yeah, absolutely. >> juan: public hearings set for next week. the latest, when "the five" comes right back. ♪ orlando isn't just the theme park capital of the world, it also has the highest growth in manufacturing jobs in the us. it's a competition for the talent. employees need more than just a paycheck. you definitely want to take advantage of all the benefits you can get. 2/3 of employees said that the workplace is an important source for personal savings and protection solutions. the workplace should be a source of financial security. keeping your people happy is what keeps your people. that's financial wellness. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential.

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the top to diplomat in ukraine. >> those open hearings will be an opportunity for the american people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves, to make their own determinations about the credibility of the witnesses, but also learn firsthand about the facts of the president's misconduct. >> jesse: okay, juan, i know you love poll, so i brought a pole dumb i poll for you inquiry moves to a new phase. people don't approve of the democrat's hand meant of impeachment. your thoughts. >> juan: i haven't seen that, but i heard about it. you've got to put some context. it has largely plateaued at this juncture. i think that the question about bill is interested in, because

taylor is a west point grad, a veteran, someone who has been selected by pompeo to serve. efforts to undermine him, to say, you know what, he is a never trumper. he's a bad guy. i think it's very difficult. his testimony is going to have impact. and then i think the secondary argument on this one is that he wasn't on the call. but then you hear from others who were on the call, and you have others saying pretty much the same thing. so it's just like the attack on the whistle-blower, that has been going on. of course, all of the whistle blowers. trump is saying, hey, what about the whistle-blower's? it's a distraction. >> jesse: i feel like the democrats had the american people's attention for a second and they totally lost it. that's not breaking through. >> dana>> kennedy: it's not, bee you don't have the big thing yet. if you have a bunch of little things, people lose track of names, the lose track of

timelines. that is the fault of the democrats who stretched this out in the wrong way. they really should have waited until there was a resolution so we can have all of this in the open. but the problem is, a lot of these people have already testified and so there statements, all now all you're going to have his republicans and democrats acting like show ponies. i don't think we've gotten there yet. you know what it reminds me of a question mark medicare for all. if you ask people, should we ensure everybody? they go, absolutely we should. we should insure everybody. if the president did something bad, should he be impeached? >> absolutely he should be impeached and he should be removed. nobody wants to pay for medicare for all and no one has been shown that what he has done so far is absolutely 100% impeachable. >> juan: bribery, not a

problem. >> jesse: i don't think we are talking about that, juan. >> juan: i'm just saying, there's a lot here. >> jesse: if you are doing all of this stuff in a creepy little dark space, i think americans were focused for a second. then they started thinking about football and what's going on this weekend. i think it's over now. >> greg: i love these open hearings, because it's an opportunity as schiff to see how petty the democrats are. the media has replaced ukraine, replaced russia with ukraine. they aren't keen on it anymore. if you look at the left wing media, they aren't getting that same bump they were with the russia stuff. it's because it's like they are getting back together with someone who cheated on them. that's the ukraine field. they put all their hearts into russia and it fell apart, they can't do it again. they are now beginning to see that this is a fable based on

opinion, based on other opinions. it's all about "if." you are concerned about something that might happen but doesn't or hasn't. if donald trump shot somebody on fifth avenue, would he get away with it? that has never happened. but that question informs the strategy, what i would call the concerned strategy, where they try to avoid the concrete achievements of trump and replace it with hypothetical hysterics. what if he lives? also, the media wants the public to think that quid pro quo is like the plague. actually, it's like the engine of life and commerce. whether it's sales, whether it's a politician, if you give me ask, i'll give you why. put some mustard on the ax, please

>> juan: this is like senator graham yesterday saying it doesn't matter. >> kennedy: i thought that was hillary clinton and the benghazi hearing. >> jesse: dana, greg mentioned the strategy. the president could use some warriors to wake up, put the war paint on, and then fight this impeachment. the messaging, the tactics, the strategy. right now, it's just a leak, leak, leak. >> dana: one of the ways they could do that is to have an effective cross-examination during the public hearing. if you read the transcript, it's not that great from that perspective. he has to be super prepared. i was reminded about adam schiff back in 2008. he was the new chairman. he was going to be investigating karl rove and they were going to get. there were going to get his.

>> no. >> greg: we've got to go to break. it's the one they to the heari hearing. adam schiff is actually unprepared. a meeting from the staff knows and he is not able to actually bring a sale. that goes to the doj. this is not a whole u.s. attorney thing. now, and 2019, and ten years, when you don't even have social media back then really, the democrats are planning to put on a show next wednesday with adam schiff. >> jesse: we've been promised a show for a long time. >> dana: i don't know if they can meet the bar. >> kennedy: why is schiff the guy question my why is he in charge of this whole thing? >> jesse: to the people at home, we want to apologize. this is a family show. >> greg: dana. that's really.

>> jesse: up next, democrats all excited over the election. trump is on his way to a second term. the round up next. ♪

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trump couldn't drag him across the finish line, unfortunately. five out of the other six. it's not good that republicans lost kentucky. i'm going to be honest with that, but it is what it is. it looks like virginia's going blue. the point is that trump is going to win reelection. if you look at all of the economic forecasts, they are killing the democrats on facebook, they are killing them with data. they have no talent on the left. i think he'll win again. >> dana: the democrats thought, they looked the other way. when you have a result, everyone gets to have a say. what do you last night? >> juan: i think that you and i have discussed this, dana. you have an incumbent. there's only two who will don my cabin to won a second term. i guess he is the incumbent i think he's better at campaigning then he is at governing. he throws up a lot of dirt,

because people a lot of names, and people say, you know, if it's just him, we don't have a democratic bank dominic nominee yet you know what, this guy has a real shot at reelection. >> dana: president trump himself has not been on the ballot. i could make a difference. >> kennedy: i think that's actually good news, because people are paying attention to politics in ways that they never have. politics takes up some much of our conversations and so much of our cultural. they may not like a ballot measure that you may think would go a certain way. they may not like a republican governor in a red state, but that doesn't mean necessarily that it's bad news for the president. jimmy carter and george h.w. bush. jimmy carter faced a transformational candidate and ronald reagan. he was a charismatic person with

a solid philosophy from a big state. he had the kind of pixie dust that jimmy carter could have only dreamed of. george h.w. bush had to contend with. although i love the idea -- >> dana: joe biden, slanting greg, what do you make of thi this? >> greg: it's good to see sleepy joe waking up from his nap. he's got his graham crackers and his apple juice. this is his lane. he's got to get in that middle lane instead of saying that this lady is too far left for us. the middle class does need biden. >> dana: she says that she was a public school teacher but she

omits the part about working at harvard. >> jesse: it's in his back pocket. she lied about it for her whole career. he's waiting for that and he's going to drop it. >> juan: that's a petty argument. >> jesse: that's not a petty argument. >> juan: remember we were having a conversation about medicare for all. the idea, and i think this is why joe biden was right to take the offensive. i'm glad to see him go out there, but guess what? people on the left have real arguments and concerns about her medicare for all program and how it's going to be paid for. >> dana: her plan is the longest suicide note in political history. >> juan: fix obamacare. make it work, right?

>> jesse: the elite as him in the democratic primary, it seems soft. >> juan: . >> juan: elitism? >> jesse: i want to see more blood. >> dana: introducing a bill that would make the school day ten hours long. doors would be open from 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. greg. >> greg: i read something on twitter that blew my mind. he tweeted some casual tweets. he said, "if you put a child through 16 years of education, at the end, you would have batman. if you think about it." technically, 16 years of actual real education, you should have a navy seal who can play classical violin, but we don't. think about 16 years. you put somebody through 16 years of real education that tells you, we have to reevaluate education. it's not about more, common law. it's about better.

we've got to get rid of courses and focus on talent. you should have all of those things. >> dana: let's talk to the mom on this panel. kennedy? >> kennedy: we don't have that, because we don't allow kids to follow their passion. kids don't develop skills deeply like they should, because we are resting on this outdated model. we need school choice. >> juan: i agree, but why are we attacking connolly harris not only did bernie sanders not get the blowback that she's getting, i think every mother in america says oh, yeah. that's a rational idea. >> greg: but she does love putting kids away.

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♪ >> greg: as you know, hillary clinton is on her please don't forget me tour. yes, trump is her meal ticket, her free bird, her stairway to heaven. she brought to chelsea, as she is also unemployed. her name is crystal. >> if anyone should be telling trump jokes, it's me. 50% of trump's tweets have been attacks on people. 100% have been attacks on the english language. it came out to a total of 6,000 tweets attacking people, even

more surprising, only 3,000 of those were about my emails. >> sean spicer now is on "dancing with the stars." it is an improvement on his own job, dancing around the issue. i can't blame trump for trying to help sean spicer, but if there is one thing we've learned, is that these guys really can't win the popular vote. >> greg: those jokes really killed says the ghost of just dominic jeffrey epstein. he lets you know he's all right but is still dying inside. yet, it's good to laugh, but also to move on. maybe this is a new thing though. open night for losers. after hillary, invite jeff. four years ago, you were given

two choices. trump wins and hillary is doing stand-up. every time hillary cracks a joke, it's a reminder which one you got. hillary is welcome to overstay her welcome. it's fun to be reminded that trumped and it just win. he put an exclamation point finally at the end of her sentence. he killed the dynasty. enjoy the jokes. when it's coming from the clintons. they right themselves. i love hillary kennedy. i never wanted her to leave. ask me happy. >> kennedy: her daughter has the charisma of a cold bowl of bleach. it's really an act of desperation. at this point, i know hillary's former spokesperson made the rounds on various -- he is saying while, the is not

closed. go ahead and run. otherwise, what is this exactly? because it's not necessary for the political conversation. she's not talking about any ideas. >> greg: it well, she has a book out. >> jesse: she is working to promote the book than she did to promotwhen the white house. she wants to be president of the united states. they are trying to groom her to be a political figure. the grooming is not going very well. i mean, she can't deliver a joke even if the jokes were written for her. does she make money at the clinton foundation? again, i'm not going to go there. it's not something that takes a lot of time. chelsea needs a step up and she reached down, she grabbed chelsea, and they are trying to help chelsea out a little bit. see to it i get being obsessed

with winning, but being obsessed with winning this kind of sad. i feel bad for her while i'm enjoying it. >> juan: i think you are enjoying it. i think in fact, it's republicans who delight in tormenting and holding her up. he asked her to do that show. i'm saying, hang on, kennedy. she gets an audience. there are people who want to see her. politically, guess what, she is making an important point for democrats, which is pay attention to the electoral college. she's been making that point. don't lose your focus. you've got to focus on the swing states, the electoral college, if you're serious about beating trump. >> dana: exactly. that's a great lesson. thanks to take away from your loss, pay attention to the electoral college.

also, somebody must be telling them that they are doing great. i was so funny. i was dying. i had to remind it. so funny. >> juan: good friends tell you when you are bombing. >> jesse: well, i mean bill's happy. >> kennedy: that's why she lost, because she has people around her who won it tell her, "you are doing the wrong thing." it was very clear from 2015 on that people cling to give a sense of who she really was. she was giving the wrong speech, she was focusing on the wrong issues. she took so much for granted, because she has so many fans around her blowing air upper -- >> juan: you are saying that hillary has fans in the air of donald trump? holy smokes. >> kennedy: i'm not going to use unsavory language to fulfill

your -- anyone who can't let go of a presidential loss, it's pathological. >> juan: trump has the same email problem. >> kennedy: if somebody said, ma'am, this is a really bad id idea -- >> greg: liberals are coming for your thanksgiving turkey. we'll tell you about it next. ♪ as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut.

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♪ >> kennedy: george. jorge. crusaders honing in on a new target to save the planet. thanksgiving. yes. according to "the huffington post," you should give up eating turkey and consider changing your travel plans to reduce your carbon footprint. greg, no turkey, no traveling, just a bunch of brussels sprouts in your own gassy apartment. that sounds like a wonderful w way -- >> greg: this is the war on thanksgiving. the only war there bloggers are

waging is against the elastic waistband and their soiled sweatpants. they should make them right about sports. [laughter] this is an example of i'm telling you to do this knowing that nobody will check that writer to see if they are taking their own medicine, right? if you call them on it, they'll say, oh, no, writing the article is my contribution. i don't really have to do anything but write the article. >> kennedy: dana, i understand, it's nice to have suggestions. people will say, why not bring a vegetable to the thanksgiving table? they are really trying to shame us. >> dana: i just like the turkey. and the cranberries. i like to mix the turkey and the cranberry. i don't like the brussels sprouts. on the opposite of this. the other thing is, on "the huffington post," i'm pretty sure that four times a week you can read about how

lonely americans are and how it is an epidemic. now they are saying to not visit your family on the day of the year. >> jesse: i understand that people don't want to drive on thanksgiving, though. i-95 on the x giving is terrible. i get it. you don't want to see your in-laws. anything that follows "according to "the huffington post"" is. they want to fight again? i helped win the war on christmas. >> greg: and you didn't even get a medal. >> kennedy: with that heroic dog that helped take out al-baghdadi. >> dana: i don't even take them. >> jesse: i don't even take them. so rude.

>> juan: excuse me, folks. i mean, let's be real. there's almost a 100% consensus that global warming is real. so now you guys are saying, all you know what? people are so stupid? they want to control the world but they are stupid for saying, hey, i acknowledge that something is going on and we need to figure out a way -- [laughter] but dana, the article didn't say don't meet your relatives. it said, consider how far you go. >> greg: you got to live it for thanksgiving. you've got to follow through. >> kennedy: turkey hill is not where we die. that's where martha stewart lives. >> juan: the war on christmas, that went so great for jesse. >> jesse: number one, don't insult a native american.

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>> juan: good times. it's time for one more thing. jesse. >> jesse: mom text. some of these mom texts were so hot and edgy that producers told me not to read some of them. please, i pray, you do not support the president's words. it's not how you have been raised to behave. number two. you are already smirking. just please don't scream and be sarcastic. you are screaming, honey.

why? most of them are about screaming actually, and pointing. pay attention to your sources. thank you, mom. >> juan: go mom, go. dreams do come true. for a basketball player in michigan, it came true as a surprise. take a look at what this coach is announcing. speak i'm going to be an rn. he got into nursing school today. [cheers and applause] >> juan: he got the news that he got accepted into the nursing program. it was the best way to find out, because all of his teammates were there. way to go. we need good nurses. >> dana: i had the honor of

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>> juan: no, but you supported them. that's great. >> greg: i'm with scott adams. we discussed his new book. it's fantastic. it's a great interview. you'll learn a lot. i also did a two hour podcast that is up on twitter right now. if you go to my twitter address, whatever you want to call it. we talk about everything. that's on reason.com as well. everything. now let's do something like th this. i'll put them are great ♪ i have a feeling that tonight i'm going to be going out. we might have a little too much to drink. who knows. i have a feeling that it might look like this. this is just a coming home. three in the morning. he tries to get up. all!

[laughter] 2:30 in the morning. that always happens. >> dana: what's the story? >> greg: they are fainting goats. you know what fainting goats are? yeah, they paralyzed when they are nervous. they get paralyzed. >> juan: all right, kennedy. go for it. >> kennedy: all right. you know how hard it is to get rid of your old. chris brown solve that problem. he tweeted out to his 89 million followers that he was having a garage sale. he had a two day 18 hour yard sale. they had to make sure that security was in check and he made a hundred $75 million. >> juan: is that true? >> kennedy: no, but wanted to be great if he did?

>> greg: did he punch anybody there? >> i will never forgive him for punching rihanna. >> juan: never miss an episode of "the five." >> bret: you guys are fiery tonight. more closed-door testimony is released and debated. mistaken identity. president trump marks a judicial milestone assuring his influence will go on long after his presidency is over. this is "special report." ♪ good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. tonight we know when public impeachment hearings will begin and to the first witnesses will be. house democrats announcing their plans today to hear from top