my thanks to the hannity team and to sean. he'll be back here on monday. appreciate it. >> judge pirro: i'm judge pirro in for laura ingraham. we have an amazing show for you. bombshell new details on the dnc operator who workedd with the ukraine to smear the trump campaign in the 2016. and tom fitton and a former cia analyst expose the real cia story and now they are so obsessed with quid pro quo they are doing it themselves on immigration. d'souza is here to expose the hypocrisy.y.

and climate activists want to cancel thanksgiving and control how many kids you have. i'm not making this up. but first, president trump and the gop getting a big boost. congressman jim jordan has just been assigned to the house intelligence committee just in time to take part in the public hearings that begin next week and president trump says this whole fiasco is actually backfiring on the democrats. >> what they are trying to do is weaken me, but it's actually made me stronger. people are angry about it, and it's made republicans and people that voted for me, not just republicans, really angry. they have become angry because it's a hoax.

>> judge pirro: we're live from our washington bureau with late-breaking developments. >> good evening, judge. one more thing. nunes now wants adam schiff, the chairman of the intelligence committee, to testify himself about what he may or may not the whistleblower. take that news and going into the weekend the president is exuding confidence. president trump: i'm not concerned about anything. the testimony has all been fine. for the most part, i have never even heard of these people. i have no idea who they are. very fine people. you have some never trumpers. >> but new evidence continues to embolden democrats. consider a letter from former national security adviser john bolton's attorney writing about his client's possible testimony. he, meaning bolton, was personally involved in many of the events, conversations about which you've already received testimony as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet

been discussed in the testimony thus far. bolton's attorney says he wants a federal court to rule on whether the white house is overall a congressional subpoena. taking a different tact, the president's chief-of-staff mulvaney defied a subpoena saying he had been ordered by the white house not to appear and mulvaney asserted absolute immunity. >> the president has had an opportunity to allow witnesses to come in who could save him or provide exonerating evidence.g every time he blocks someone, we consider that on instruction of justice. >> fierce trump defender jim jordan is now on the intelligence committee tweeting republicans only h have till saturday to request witnesses for all open hearings. adam schiff decides which witnesses testify, if any. schiff decides when witnessess testify if at all.

the president's counsel still excluded, does this sound like due process? >> so as you know, judge, from your conversations with jim jordan over the years, that tweet is a mere preview of the type of, rhetoric that we're going to hear from him over the next weeks and months. >> judge pirro: thanks so much. today democrats released more transcripts from the secret impeachment hearing including the revealing testimony of nfc official and army officer alexander vindman. the biggest take away, his attorney and house intel chairman adam schiff blocking republicans from getting any real answers. here's one example. congressman jordan. the question is, who did colonel vindman talk to after the july 25th call? vindman's attorney, i'm instructing him and i'm allowing him to say. jordan, are you instructing him that way, counsel? >> schiff: excuse me, mr. jordan. you're not recognized.

jordan: it's our time. schiff: you're not recognized andou your time has expired. jordan: you told us you were going to give us extra time. what you took from us. schiff: and you've used it. and you've used it. here with me is robert driscoll and a campaign advisory board member. robert, i'll start with you what are they tryingri to hide? why are they stopping congressman jordan from questioning? >> well, i mean, i think it's equivalent, where you say, i'm really upset about something and it just causes more tension. when youou read the transcript congressman himself says, i don't want colonel vindman to answer the question because it might reveal who the whistleblower is.

if answering the person who you talked to would reveal who the whistleblower is i think that's a fair inference that colonel vindman f with the whistleblowe. we have this strange thing in washington where everyone knows the whistleblower's name and no one will say it in this hearing apparently, or this testimony they tried to ask vindman who he spoke with and the objection was, that might reveal the name of the whistleblower. so i think for normal person would you say i guess he spoke to the whistleblower then.he judge pirro: having been in a courtroom quite often it would be very simple to say don't mention the name of the person to thell get an answer question to get a sense of motivation, you know, who is he speaking to. what do you think onwh this? >> right, absolutely. it could above handled that way with a quasi motion. in fact, what i would say is before these democrats shut down the questioning and the lawyer caught on to the fact that republicans were gaining ground there actually was some very skillful g questioning by

congressman ratliff who got a number of admissions out of vindmam, including that it was just his opinion for a lot of things. it was really his opinion on policy issues that he didn't hear the president saying a lot of what he's claiming and damaging admissions amend that's when the lawyers and adam schiff and cronies tried to block further damaging testimony. so if you read the whole thing it's actually pretty bad and makes vindman look like a clown for the position he's in, coming in with his uniform, like the gravitas is hyped him. judge pirro: and that they are constantly trying to defend the ambassador as if that's a?-- crime in and of itself is rather shocking. you've got vindman's boss saying nothing improper happened and yet vindman is not a party to the call and he's taking back all of this stuff.

>> if i were on the other side of this prepping colonel vindman. c he didn't do a great job separating out the facts from his opinion and his opinion about what might have been wrong with the call from his opinions that he disagreed about the policies being pursued or the manner in which they were being pursued. those are all very different things. as a subordinate employee, some of those things are relevant and some of them aren't. and so frankly whether or not he agrees with the policy is not really relevant. whether or not he thinks the ambassador is a good person who trump shouldn't have removed that's not the point. president trump ist the president, he's entitled to have the ambassador he wants for whatever reason he wants it so that's all kind of a side show. really, the core thing is what happened on the call and do people think it's impeachable and, let's cut to the chase here.re the rest of these things?-- judge pirro: what happened in the call is in the transcript. i want to mention before i go to you, harmony, congressman nunes just tonight, sending a letterpt to congressman schiff saying

prior to the start of your public show trial next week, at least one additional closed door deposition must take place. specifically, i request that you sit for a closed door deposition before the house intelligence foreign affairs and oversight committee. so nowig we've got, harmony, nus saying to schiff, sit your butt down. it's time to find out what you know, what did you and what role you played in this whole thing because now we're hearing in to the whistleblower, hill washi i communication with him ase' wel. >> so was the ambassador. >> vindman a week ago, who is pinning t so much credibility on defending her honor hass potentially perjured himself. at a minimum he should be recusing himself and secondly he should sit for a deposition to find out what role he played in

orchestrating and potentially soliciting the whistleblower complaint and the witness appearing in his sham of a show trial in the skiff. >> judge pirro: it reminds me of everything they accuse the president of boomerangs back. white house visitor logs reveals alexandra?-- the dnc contractor who colluded inea the 2016 campaign, visited the white house 27 times. joining me is tom fitton president of judicial watch and

a real whistleblower. tom, you know what i think of you and judicial watch, you do greatt work. what judicial watch has uncovered here is simply stunning. it seems like the real collusion story is between ukraine and the left. >> and the obama white house which, of course is the left. yeah, 27 visits of this dnc contractor whose accused of colluding directly with the ukrainian embassy to dig up dirt on paul manaforte and attack donald trump and the other half of this alleged whistleblower that person, i don't know if he's the whistleblower, but he worked at the obama white house we looked to see who he was visiting with and a lot of people, like victoria, who was involved in the dossier, the ukrainian behind the blackledger

leak and other soros people were meetingg with him. what's interesting about all of this, judge is that it highlights that this ukrainent story is about the obama white house in a significant way because you had the alleged whistleblower there. dealing on that policy, and then you have the dnc operative virtually having a desk over there. judge pirro: let me ask you kevin, you're a real whistleblower. is he a whistleblower or a lake erie. we're not supposed to mention his name so don't mention his name. i don't know what we're protected but whatever. >> no, judge, this is not a whistleblower. this person is a leaker. there is no question about it. he's not even protected under the whistleblower statutes because he went and met with schiff's staff. not only is he a leaker, he's a political operative and we know from judicial watch's great work the logs show that this person

met withud the executive officer of a soros-funded organization. this is while he was in the white house. what in the world is a officer doing meeting with a soros organization that's bent on eliminating u.s. sovereignty and now removing the president of the united states? i think he's got some answering to do.st judge pirro: i want to read this toto you, tom. it was said the whistleblower could be implicated in the much anticipated fossa abuse report saying the purported direct relationship with james brennan the operative who dug up dirt on the trump campaign in the 2016 election and susan rice, makes them a likely candidate to be at the very least called as a witness in cases that are likely to start following the fisaak report. do you agree, tom?

>>tom: certainly someone representing the president would want to talk to this alleged whistleblower, and in addition to that, his communications with schiff weren't protected by the law and if classified information was communicated to schiff's staff, there may be legal issues for him. and, of course, if he was talking to people like vindman outside the ordinary course of his duties there could be other problems there as well. you know, and what is schiff doing? he's protecting himself because he's been caught up in a scandal. the idea that schiff is still running the intelligence committee is one of the most outrageous issues related to the corrupt coup that's currently happening. schiff should be nowhere near this investigation. he's compromised. ethically, and he should be conflicted out, and under investigation, not conducting an investigation. judge pirro: you know, kevin what's amazing to me, and i agree with tom totally, i think

this isn't about protecting the whistleblower. it's about protecting the fact that schiff was part of the game plan here, and now we're hearing about a tweet from 2017, the whistleblower's lawyer mark?-- saying the coup, rebellion impeachment is next this has been, you know, they have been planting the seed for this for a long time. so you've got schiff trying to protect himself. but don't you think that at the end of thebu day, kevin, that americans are saying who really gives a darn about ukraine policy? you know, where is the high misdemeanor here? >> that's right. you're right, judge. the russia collusion coup failed and now they are trying another one and it's so shoddy that it'i ridiculous. it's pretty obvious to see, and i'm convinced as we all are this is going to fail, too but that's what this is. another attempted coup by a so-called cia analysis who essentially was a plant and a

political operative that was probably very well planted there by john brennan during the initiation of the coup. that's what's goingby on. this is another coup attempt to remove donald trump from office and that's going to come out for everybody to see.g judge pirro: if in truth, tom in the last few seconds that we have, if this guy is a member of the cia and this is an intelligence community coup then what we've got is just a repeat ofha russia collusion and they are going to lose again. j >> oh, yeah, but it's even more low rent than the russia collusion scam. this is the equivalent of office cooler conversation, mongering and gossip about what the boss is doing and they o don't like t andco they are griping. the gossip girl impeachment, a bunch of bureaucrats complaining about the boss and the idea a tt it would be a basis for an impeachment is an absurdity. judge pirro. amazing. tom, thanks for coming in. if you thought elizabeth

warren's $52 trillion all for medicare plan was crazy, wait until you hear about her quid pro quo proposal on immigration. exposing the hypocrisy. the worst offenders of the week. the tape you don't want to miss is next. the game doesn't end after that insane buzzer beater.

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guys, you know how this works. let's begin with the latest propaganda from cnn who say they moved on from the ukraine whistleblower. >> the identity of the whistleblower is just a red herring at this point. we've moved way past that we've got hours and hours of testimony, and then there is more to come. the whistleblower's identity is beside the point. >> judge pirro: does this kind of idiotic spin from your former employer surprise you anymore? >> no. my old colleague linen, y look the reason why the whistleblower is a "red herring" is because he's being identified prominently out there as somebody who worked with vice president biden in there obama white house and with john brennan. oops that means partisan bias. end of story.

>> judge pirro: and has a history with adam schiff. what say you, charlie? >> exactly. that's exactly right. the more we learn about him the more questionable it becomes. it seems that the left is always focused on talking about the biography of any person that fits their narrative but as soon as there is someone that might have communicated with schiff and worked in the biden white house and has a partisan history it's something they don't want to talk about. >> judge pirro: next up congressman mark meadows facts checks nbc life on nbc. >> republicans can continue to hang everything on our ambassador, volker, hold on congressman meadows?-- he's walking by right now but republicans are really struggling to defend the president -- >> they aren't struggling on anything. the republicansep aren't struggling on anything. >> judge pirro: charlie what on earth would republicans be struggling with? where would she even get that from? >> what i love is just be a journal it. hey, are you struggling? you don't have to tell the congressman what's going on. it's as if he caught them with their own bias in real-time. god bless that whole team that's

been fighting so far. she's telling him what goes on and he's the story. >> judge pirro: can you see him. making the spin, and he's walking by her. and i've got to tell her jennifer, anything to add to that? >> yeah.el i tell you something. i had the good fortune with two colleagues from the american spectator, to spend over an hour with the president this week. let me tell you, he's not struggling. he's upbeat. he's focused. he's energetic. good lord, he's in great shape. he's having the time of his life. passionately believes in the american people. you know him, jeannine. he's terrific and he was terrific when i saw him. >> judge pirro: he's in a great place. all right, guy, take a listen. mike bloomberg is entering the 2020 race and the media is already acting like he's their big savior. >> bloomberg entering the race it really could pose a threat to trump. he's probably the most?--

certainly the most successful businessman in new york. he's actually a businessman. he's actually a billionaire. he's actually a philanthropist. all the things trump pretends to baptist donald trump but richer more successful and less offensive. that's the bloomberg argument. >> judge pirro: jeffrey, how could they move on from their love affair with beto so quickly? [laughter] >> the fickle nature of these people never ceases to amaze. a little history check. three mayors of new york have run for president of the united states. john lindsey, rudy giuliani and bill deblasio, every one of them struck out. this one will follow the same path.he >> judge pirro: and you charlie? >> well, i think the bumper sticker will be make 16 ounce drinks illegal again. i'm not really sure how he'll be able to cater to middle america with this metropolitan manhattan malibu agenda but i can't wait to see michael bloomberg become voluntarily more poor so he can

lose to donald trump. a blessing. >> judge pirro: finally, listen to this. ?-- triggered by donned jump. >> i don't think i should have j forego my first amendment rights. it's out there. i've been reading it. i saw it on the dredge report. because of donald trump jr. because he's an outspoken guy?-- >> judge pirro: charlie, is she really at the point where she can't handle basic fact? >> look, john jr. is amazing. it takes a lot of courage for him to go on that show. the name of the book is triggered. she got triggered. you did quite well on that show they treated you horribly. she gotu triggered in real-time. i love that the people in new york are applauding donald trump jr. maybe there are more supporters out there. >> judge pirro: jeffrey, your take? >> i got a laugh, when joy feels that the view is turning into a make america great rally, then

you know don trump jr. has really owned her. god bless him. >> judge pirro: it was quite a show. anyway, charlie and jeffrey thank so much, and beto o'rourke may not be running anymore but there is still plenty of crazy left among 2020 democrat candidates. for starters, elizabeth warren is promising to stop deportationsro until congress gives into her demands. >> i am open to suspending deportations, particularly as a way to push congress for comprehensive immigration reform. medicare for all, as i put this together, covers everyone regardless of immigratione status. >> judge pirro: not to be outdone, bernie sanders is also pledging to stop deportations abolish ice and let in thousands of so-called climate change refugees.

joining me now is d'souza and a former communications director. all right, dinesh, is there no end to the insanity? >> they thought to be the craziest guy in the race would be to assure the nomination and look where it got them. i think what this really shows fact that elizabeth warren is moving in this direction, shows that there is a magnetic force on the left that's pulling these candidates toward craziness. and what that means is their activist base is demanding that they act in this lunatic manner because that's the price that is being extracted of them to get the nomination, so that's why they are doing it. they are not crazy by itself.hy they are responding to the craziness within the party.

>> judge pirro: all right. do you really think that most americans want to pay for medicare for everyone? >> i tell you, elizabeth warren congress is at fault here for not fixing the broken immigration season. it actually passed in the house in 2010. you had bipartisan senate bill passed in 2013, that republicans and democrats were working together, would have passed it and dealt with a lot of problems of the immigration system but republicans at large have blocked it in congress and have created a problem that keeps on creating issues. >> judge pirro: please explain to me how the congress, not passing a law, means that now all of us should pay for medicare for all the illegals in this country? the plain answer. >> that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying we're still dealing with the effects of congress refusing to actually deal with

the broken immigration system. because democrats?-- >> judge pirro: we can deal with the immigration system. what has that got to do with medicare? >> they have done any number of things to strengthen border security. in the obama administration, we dealt with stopping smugglers. >> judge pirro: you're not asking my question. i don't mean to interrupt you you're not answering my question. the fact that they haven't said legals here, illegals over there, we've got at least 30 million illegals in the country. do you really think that hardrd working americans want to pay for medicare for everybody? >> the numbers are close to 10 million to 12 million. >> baloney. we had 150,000 to come through in one month in october 2016. >> you can make up the numbers but the numbers areob 10 million to 12 million. >> judge pirro: i'm telling you?-- >> judge pirro: the issue is medicare. do you think americans want to pay for illegals' medicare? >> i'm not here representing elizabeth warren's's campaign. the problem with immigration is so congress with deal with it like the dreamers who currently have daca, and who should have a path to citizenship.

>> first of all, this is not unique to elizabeth warren. you remember the democratic debate.al every single democratic e candidate held up their hand about providing free healthcare to illegals. so this is a position that's now dominating the party. the second issue is this. elizabeth warren is sort of using a blackmail tactic here. she's basically saying let's encourage lawlessness. let's not deport anybody. let's sort of suspend enforcement ofof the laws to foe congress to do something. well, she's forcing congress to pass new laws. what's to guarantee that those laws would be enforced? why would a major party in the united states encourage lawlessness a partrt of its political platform? >> exactly what you're seeing with the whistleblower republicans encouraging lawlessness to identify somebody who has the protection of law. >> judge pirro: don't talk about the law with me. where is it said that the whistleblower's name can't be identify. if you're going to come on the show with the facts.

all right. answer my question. if you're so smart, where in the whistleblower law does it say you have to protect his anonymity? >> the whistleblower law specifically protects his identity. >> judge pirro: you're wrong. there is another one that want go away. black face?-- is getting ready for what he thinks is common sense gun control laws. >> we used to have one gun per month in virginia,e that worked very well. getting rid of bump stocks. high volume magazines, red flag laws, these are common sense pieces of legislation. i will introduce those again, in january, and i'm convinced with a majority now, in the house'm d the senate, they will become law. >> judge pirro: and that's not all he admitted to the "washington post" that he wants to take away, sought weapons from virginia gun owners. how will this moral arbiter pry guns away from a strong second amendment state?ry >> well, when i've looked deeper

into his interviews what he's said is he's talking about future sales, that he wasn't looking at people who already have those, but that he's talking about banning assault weapons going forward because virginia has, you think of virginia tech, virginia beach massacre, you think about all of the incident that have happened in gun violence over the last few years. this is a state where voters actually want their elected leaders to do something. >> judge pirro: i don't have much time. let me get to dinesh here. >> once again, it's a reflection of the way in which the democratic party has really shifted on all of this. you know, first amendment and the second amendment, the second amendment is no less important than any other amendments. they sort of act as if the second amendment doesn't belong in the constitution. a founder's mistake but i think we need to protect the same amendment with the same zealousness that we protect the first amendment and the fourth amendment. it doesn't matter if voters --

>> we protect the first amendment, but we also say?-- there has to be responsibility attached to those rights. >> judge pirro: thanks for being with us tonight. coming up, president trump pitched his america first agenda to african-american voters in atlanta today. can he get their support? the debate next.

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african-american voters at the launch of his black voices for trump coalition. joining me now is executive director for the national diversity coalition. for trump, and a civil rights attorney. bruce, you know all the things trump has done for the african-american community. getting unemployment and poverty down to a record low creatingon opportunity zones. criminal justice reform, the poll shows his approval is only at 10%. what can they do to bring that number up? >> just keep doing what he's doing, and judge, thanks for having me. i'm so excited. we just left the rally a few hours ago. like young said, lowest black unemployment since 1972 but here's something interesting judge. the president understands, and the black community in terms of promoting business as well as creating generational wealth. remember, previous administration said you didn't build that. the president looked around and said, you know what? of all these great opportunity zones that came to fruition that's a powerful tool, with all

of these neighborhoods and communities that were just left behind, judge, the opportunitybo zones, it's a tremendous asset. it's a tremendous tool and instrument in these environments that we've had, that have totally been pushed away. the biggest thing about the president he's asking the african-american communities it's time for you to build your business, your generational wealth and billed your communities back, judge. it's a win-win. >> judge pirro: first of all leo, gets to see you, i haven't seen you in a while. good to have you on the show. hit it. >> i say right now it's very shameful for bruce to ignore some facts. i'm a judge, you're a lawyer. here are some facts. black unemployment ratee is higher than white. bruce, answer that. we earn less money than whites. bruce, answer that. we have?1/10 of the wealth of white. bruce, answer that. let me finish. i didn't cut you off. >> i'm trying to answer it.

>> these are facts. we're the first ones fired, last one hired. our wages are low. so don't insult me with just the factag that the lowest unemployment. talk to the three issues that i just gave you so the national audience can understand why >> judge pirro: spoke to the issues. leo, he's going to talk to the issues. you can't give the president credit for getting unemployment the lowest it's been in 50 years? you don't give him credit for that. >> no, because the wages?-- we can second -- >> what is your plan? >> bruce, you're not going to answer those questions. >> no, i am, what is your plan? wait a minute, leo, hold on. i know what your plan is. let's support a child that comes out of the womb and exterminate. let's give healthcare?-- whoa whoa, let's give healthcare to illegal aliens, and let's do that.

let's give healthcare to illegal aliens.e >> you can't answer these questions. he'll not answer those three questions. >> all you can do is criticize.t >> judge pirro: hold on, guys there is a full-screen, i think we have on what the president has done since taking office. he's got record low unemployment rate. that didn't happen during obama. he's got record low poverty. that didn't happen under obama. he created opportunity zones to increase jobs. not under obama. he passed first step act, that no democrat president could get done. leo, give credit where credit is do. >> i'll do this. i'll give credit?-- let me answer this. no. bruce, you wouldn't answer the question. i will simply say this. the bottomnsqu line is this. blacks will not accept him because we're being treated as second class citizens in comparison to rights. >> oh, lord, jesus.

>> that's why he only has less than 10% of the black vote. bruce, you only represent one out of every 10 blacks. those are facts. >> judge pirro: do you rememberr when blacks were unemployed hold on, i'm taking this. were you happy whenever blacks were unemployed and on food stamps? were you happier when it was noe chance of getting out of the inner-city? were you happier when all of that was going on? >> blacks will not sell out for three pieces of silver. we want economic freedom. >> oh, my gosh. >> we want a racially discriminating free society. we don't want to be judged. one other fact. i don't see people of color in the trump administration. why?e >> judge pirro: carson, head of housing and urban development. >> you didn't answer my three questions. >> judge pirro: you're not answering the questions, leo, so be quiet and let him speak.

thank you. >> we're in a new era where you're seeing guys like me across this great nation that are acquiring, because the president is reaching out and asking, you can build that business. you can resurrect that community. and the numbers don't lie, leo. we have 5.4 unemployment. the lowest in the country since 1972. we have the most aggressive opportunity zone. >> judge pirro: i've got 30 seconds. post office seconds.iv the more jobs there are, the more competitive it becomes, the more employers have to pay employees to work,s, it's naturl it's going to come naturally. it wasn't under obama. i've got 15 seconds.me say something nice, leo. i know you can. hit it, leo. 10 seconds. >> i'm going to say something nice.i the first step, i'll give trump a little credit. everything else is a failure towards blacks. [laughter]

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plus get instant access to your teams with the power of your voice. that's simple, easy, awesome. say nba league pass into your voice remote to upgrade for a great low price - or go online today. president trump: you only have president trump: you only have 11 years to live, 11 years because climate change is coming up so fast. i heard someone say it's down to 11. >> the timeline does keep getting shorter and shorter and shorter. now we have even more bad news for you. i'm very sad to announce we have to cancel thanksgiving. i'm leaving. to save theto world. it's true. they came at us with a dire warning. you may want to consider skipping the turkey altogether. more importantly, the travel. and then it questioned, how much damage are we doing with our epic thanksgiving meal every year?

joining us now, host of the ethan, are you on-board with cancelling the thanksgiving dinner? i thought i was having with you thison year. are you going to cancel it on me? what's going on? this is very sad. i'm very sad about this. >> i'm not for cancelling thanksgiving. i'm all for getting together with family and celebrating our core values here in the united states. however, there is a point. what are we doing? are we considering what our footprint is doing to our planet? this is just a way to bring attention to the fact that we should be considering what we're doing. maybe eating turkey isn't the healthiest thing for you and maybe the carbon footprint isn't the best. look, i'm actually going to a vegetarian thanksgiving this year. i am cutting out turkey this year. i'm not vegetarian but i'm not having it this year.. >> john from texas, i have a feel you're going to smoke your turkey, fry the turkey.

i have a feeling it's not going to be tofu turkey for you, john? >> no, not for me or a lot of people in texas. look, i feel bad for the people having a vegetarian thanksgiving honestly. like you said before, though real problem is traveling for thanksgiving, right? but if it's a problem toem travl on thanksgiving, because of the carbon footprint then it's a problem to travel all the time. but the climate activists when fly around the world to climate conferences, they are traveling. aoc traveled to denmark last month.er that wasn't a problem. >> laura: this is what happens to the left. they come across as killjoys. like there is just no fun anymore because we have to do more to save the planet and i'm all for conservation but i think yout end up becoming just dire people if you can't be with your family or eat a piece of turkey. all right. the left has a new slogan, your body, our choice.f

well, kind of a joke but 11,000 scientists and "experts" are declaring a climate emergency saying we need to have fewerre people on the planet immediately and they aren't the only ones who want to control the population. >> i think especially in poor countries wherenk they can have the opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, something i'm very strongly supporting. >> the lives of children will be very difficult and it does lead i think, young people to have a legitimate question, you know should, is it okay to still have children? >> laura: john, is this an actual conversation happening on the left? >> this has always been a conversation on the left. if you go back, you knowon progressives in the early 20th century were into eugenics. that was their way to do population control. they have always been having this conversation about how to control the population and how to control what you do, and how you liveha your life.

because they know what's best for the greater good and they know what's best for t you. >> laura: even shaking his?-- ethan is shaking your head what's wrong? >> what we have is evidence of a climate crisis that is happening right now. we have a reduction in mass of up to 70% of insects. the base of our eco-system so we can pretend like none of this is happening but don't misrepresent what was going on with eugenics in the 20th century with what bernie sanders said. empowering women, giving economic opportunities, making birth control widely available allows women to get ahead in the world and when that happens, as evidenced in brazil there was a social campaign that reduced their birth rate from seven children per woman down to two and it was purely social, make economic opportunities available and birthur control becoming available. >> laura: that's not even enough to replace the population though. here's

climate change crusader jane fonda on how she, herself is saving the planet. >> i needed something red. the last piece of clothing i'm every going to buy. >> she's 80 years old, she's bought a lot of stuff. so, you bought a coat that's used. okay. >> it's hard to imagine an example of sort of wealthy climate activism that better encapsulates the problem than what you just showed with that clip. the fact of the matter is climate change isn't going to be reversed by people not buying more clothes or not having turkey at thanksgiving.r the reality is, climate change is being driven by middle classes, rising up in india and china, who want access to electricity, who want access to consumer goods, so the jane fondas of the world don't want

the climate to change and co2 emissions to go up they are basically asking the people of india and china to stay poor. >> ethan?? >> no, we lead in the world and so we lead by demonstrating how to do better. seeing the example, leading the way, demonstrating how we can make the world a more livable place for everybody, does not include coal power plants in india and china and that's why here in the united states we have to demonstrate how we can use technology to produce energy more cleanly so we can then export that technology to india and china which is good for our economy and good for thehi worl. >> laura: gentlemen, great to see you tonight. thanks so much. >> judge pirro: final thoughts when we return. voya helps them to and through retirement... dealing with today's expenses ...while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay? i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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