hill, myles garrett taking a swing at we'll see you then tomorrow li live. >> juan: hello, i'm juan williams along with kennedy, stephanie it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." >> even told you with extra time. >> i appreciate it. >> my indulgence wore out with you a long time ago. i have to say that. >> i'm about to gamble you down. >> juan: another testy day on capitol hill. democrats and republicans clashing during the second public hearings, over the four ambassador republican zeroing in if the

witness had first-hand knowledge of key events. >> there are a number of events investigating which i cannot bring any first-hand knowledge. >> were you involved in the trump-zelensky phone called? >> i was not. >> are you involved in the possible military sales to ukraine will! >> i was not. i was not. >> did you ever talk to president trump in 2019? >> no, i have not. >> mick mulvaney? >> no, i have not. >> think you come ambassador. not sure what the ambassador is doing here today. >> juan: when president trump tweeted an attack on the former ambassador in the middle of the hearing. adam schiff then read the tweet. >> i will read one of these tweets. everywhere marie yovanovitch wentz turned bad, and the president in real-time time is

attacking you. what effect do you think that has on other willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing. >> it's very intimidating. >> juan: accusing the president of witness temper >> doesn't allow us to have lawyers. tampering is when schiff doesn't allow us to have witnesses. i've been watching for the first time -- i started watching and it's really sad. it's a political process, it's not a legal process. if i had somebody saying i'm allowed to speak up. >> juan: dana and i were with you all day, we were watching this. bret baier said he thought the tweet changed everything today. do you think that's an example of trump being his own worst enemy? >> dana: the only real interesting thing that happened today, there is that.

many members of congress on the republican side said too that they would not have tweeted th that. i think the democrats and adam schiff in particular initially read it because he wanted to make a point -- trying to say, the president is trying to intimidate you but she wouldn't have known about it had he not read it to her and i think everybody got carried away thinking this is going to be, my god, this is another impeachable offense. i don't think so. it didn't help, but that was at 10:00 this morning? and by 4:00 when we finished our coverage, i think it's pretty much dissipated. that was a pretty fast new cycle. it didn't end up being a big deal. she has got a diplomats scale and the diplomats grace, she's as steady as it goes, i don't know if people tuned in -- will have to see if they do. i did not think it's all that exciting of a hearing. i don't think anything she said

is very helpful to the democrats. it's telling her story over and over and over again. there was a point that lee zeldin made, the republican who said she was never asked about the conversation between trump and zelensky was president zelensky saying to president trump, i'm glad she's no longer going to be in the basket because she had a good relationship with the previous president, and was concerned that yovanovich was not going to be as supportive as her. that's not the democrats fault, the republicans had a chance to ask her and nobody did. now her testimony is don and he she's having a drink, i hope. >> juan: jesse, she said, though, when the president, the earlier transcript was released and the president was revealed to be talking to the president

of ukraine about her, she's a bad ambassador, she's going to go through something, she did say she did feel in fact that she had been smeared. >> jesse: poor baby. when obama got into office he fired all the ambassadors and replace them at will. under obama, ambassadors were coming back in body bags. now everyone is upset because one got fired. so what? people get fired all the time, doesn't make a difference. witness tampering? really? schiff colluded with the whistle-blower. that's witness tampering. bribery? what about when obama says pallets of cash to iran? more of a bride than this. freezing aid in a blink of an eye? let's go to court and you want to get him for obstruction? they are criminalizing everything. >> juan: let me interrupt you and take a look at this thought on tape and you can answer your point, jesse?

>> some have argued that the president has the ability to nominate or remove any ambassador he wants. that they serve at the pleasure of the presidents. that is true. >> i have always understood that i served at the pleasure of the president. >> jesse: listen, they needed something to create momentum after wednesday. wednesday was not good. wednesday was dull. only 13 million tuned in. more than twice that tuned in for the royal wedding coverage. and more tuned in for inauguration. and comey. and michael cohen. this was a little blip. they are going to lose interest very fast especially after today. they needed a moment, tears, some powerful moment, and it didn't materialize. the dow just broke another record. i think everybody has lost touch with the american people on this and they don't see it because they are so wrapped up in what's happening in d.c. >> juan: all right.

greg, i wanted to play another thought for you and see what your reaction. greg >> greg: please do. i shall react. >> how did that make you feel? >> terrible. >> do you know that president trump made specific reference to you in that call? >> no. >> what was your feeling and knowing that?d, frankly. >> how do you mean devastated? >> how this is affected you personally and your family? >> it's been a difficult time. i'm a private person. i don't want to put that all out there. but it's been a difficult time. >> how has it affected your family? >> i really do not want to get into that, but thank you for asking. >> juan: greg? >> greg: they wanted her to cry and they didn't get it there. she's had a long career. that's irrelevant. that is how the hearing was a travesty. it was in a relevant hearing because it was based on

emotions, interpretations, feelings, and reactions to feelings about being fired, a natural process that i know personally about three times. i've been fired three times. i've never had a hearing! by the way, i defend the bosses. in the three times i was fired, i was a really good employee. the reason i was fired? new boss. new boss comes in, he wants new people. if he doesn't feel you are going to be loyal, gets rid of you. that happens at men's health. that happened to me at stuff and maxim. the fact they did -- they talked about trump attacks? she is not immune to donald trump the way none of us are. none of us are immune. he comes in, shakes the box, somebody that got fired. this is why this process is dead because there is no bipartisan support for this because we all know that what happened is completely legitimate. which is why it's so ugly and why people are mad at each other because they know it is b.s. >> juan: can i briefly just

say, though, in fact the trump administration had renewed her in march and you see things change, and the firing. >> greg: who cares? >> juan: i thought you said the new boss -- gre>> greg: if she's playing maroon 5 in the office, he can fire her. >> juan: kennedy, let me look at this from the trump point of view. is she, the deep state, someone who serves for 30 years, comes across as a very patriotic public servant, that's the deep state? >> kennedy: no, i think she's a career diplomat, people -- i wouldn't say necessarily her and republicans and democrats did a good job of not only showing that she has a decades improve record but she was not fired. she was still employed and she's teaching at georgetown. that's pretty great. if you had been fired and you lose your livelihood and you don't have a paycheck, that

sucks, that's what a lot of americans can relate to. this is what we are talking about. we are talking about someone's feelings and i think i would probably be x upset if my contractor is road renewed and then relieved of duty at the next plane out. is that the foundation for the impeachment of a president? no. there was weird stuff. has it risen to the level of impeachment? if it has, that's what we should be focusing on and frankly we are not. should the president be tweeting in her made herein? no, and makes them look like a big dumb baby. the last two days of hearings and testimony would've been a snooze fest and to dana's point, the new cycle move so quickly that even the tweet. >> juan: dana, one thing, the white house tried to preempt this by releasing the transcript of the first phone call earlier at the time the hearing was

starting, but one that came out, it looked like the president didn't talk about corruption. >> dana: we only have a little bit of time to let me explain. anytime there's a call between world leaders, usually there is a readout. the press office goes to the security council, they get the information. or you listen and do it yourself and there are discrepancies. the national security council statement that was released to the white house press office they talk about corruption and territorial integrity, and sovereignty -- they didn't talk about any of that. but that's not impeachable. it's just a thing that happened today. >> juan: all right. there's much more to come on today's impeachment hearing and we've got it all covered. but stay with us on "the five." i'm your 70lb st. bernard puppy,

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>> jesse: welcome back. democrats trying to change their tactics ahead of today's second impeachment hearing. you may have noticed they change their talking point from quid pro quo to something new. listen. >> that is a this for that, in other words a quid pro quo. >> personally with rudy giuliani directing his quid pro quo. that crime is with the quid pro something for something. >> quid pro quo. >> is it extortion or bribery? >> that's bribery. calling for bribery. >> either he committed extortion and bribery of a foreign official, or he committed attempted bribery. >> the reason why they change their talking points is because it pulled better with focus groups. dana, they focus group-80 some

people in battleground states, and they liked bribery. >> i find it hard to imagine that all these professional people and good communicators, it takes a focus group to tell them that bribery is a stronger word than quid pro quo and the democrats spent six weeks using quid pro quo? you actually have all these people -- oh, that means this for that. not everybody knows what it means and they want to use a different word. i have no doubt that bribery is a much stronger word. i can't imagine that they had to do a focus group to figure it out. >> jesse: like murder is worse than homicide because it makes sense. >> greg: does it really? >> jesse: it does. >> greg: it would be interesting if it was the other way, someone was bribing trump. >> jesse: they want the president to take a bribe! >> greg: you say, i want something from you, you give some thing to me, that's how the

world works everywhere. it's unspoken. i'm not surprised these people are screwing up, the same jerks in the media who are enamored by the dossier, enamored by collusion, enamored by kavanaugh, the cabin the accusers, lazy forward, coming to they got every single new story wrong. they've got to get a focus group to save them. >> jesse: explain how this is bribery. >> juan: first of all -- you know how many focus groups are done in politics? it's endless. >> greg: should you be a focus grouping for impeachment? >> juan: its politics! this is a political process. your argument, quid pro quo literally means there is a bribe involved. yes, that's what it is.

and the problem with president trump is it wasn't for the national interest, it was for his political, personal interest. >> greg: they coincide. >> juan: defending ukraine from -- >> greg: what happens if the leading candidate might be compromised by ukraine? >> juan: what happened is the leading candidate joe biden is beating the pants off of him in every poll. >> jesse: why does nobody want to jump in the democrat race? >> juan: look at the numbers, it's unbelievable. >> jesse: i want to play some sound from david gregory who has an analogy i want you to tackle. >> we want to remember benghazi that the republicans expressed that what they considered to be a democratic ministrations disregard for the valor and the bravery of those serving in our diplomatic posts, security and otherwise. >> greg: what major differences do you see in

benghazi and the story? >> kennedy: i will tell you and it's an important one. christopher stevens is no longer living and marie yovanovitch is. that's a very offensive comparison. for david gregory to say that there is somehow a direct comparison here, it's very offensive, particular to the family members who mourn the loss of those who were abandoned there. and marie yovanovitch, i do feel badly for her. that is not an apples-to-apples comparison. i think david gregory knows that and he's better than that. >> jesse: i think the ambassador over in benghazi was begging for security assistance, did not get that assistance. >> juan: wasn't gregory talking about republicans -- >> jesse: did not get that either. adam schiff's impeachment shame continues but we will hear more reaction from donald trump next on "the five."

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>> dana: welcome back. many contentious moments during the impeachment hearing, and one of them... >> i know you had a few quick questions for the ambassador. >> thank you, mr. what is the interruption for this time? >> you are not recognized. >> i just recognized... >> you are not allowed to yield time. >> a ranking member has yielded time. >> that's not accurate. >> that's accurate. >> you are not recognized. >> this is the fifth time you have interrupted members, duly elected members of congress. >> i will suspend.

>> dana: president trump responding to that. >> very talented people wanted to ask questions and they weren't even allowed to ask questions. when we have a great republican representatives, people elected by the people, and they are not even allowed to ask a question, not allowed to make a statement, we are not allowed to have witnesses, we are not allowed to have legal counsel, white house counsel, it's a disgrace and it's an embarrassment to our nation. >> dana: chairman schiff being a strict adherence to the rules, but one other thing about this is a least a having a moment hereduring his d afterwords with the press conference the republicans had, she was the most outspoken and the most effective, you do not see media coverage of her like you did with kamala harris during the kavanaugh hearings, as you remember she was given so much praise. a least a >> greg: i would call him a misogynist but i'm not a democrat! it's a great comparison.

republicans acted that way, it would be the democrats castigating the republicans, it would be the entire media coming out. cnn's left-wing white knights would be condemning them left and right. she might've violated a rule. maybe so. but the fact is that would be relevant if the parties were switched. i would like to say that adam schiff treated her very badly. obviously doesn't like strong women and is a misogynist because that's my impression of a democrat. >> dana: what do you think of all that? >> jesse: i agree and even juan would agree that if adam schiff wanted credibility in this process he'd run it honorably but he's running it dishonorably. he's gobbling down people, not letting everybody have due process, that's why the president is forced to tweet and defend himself because they aren't getting access to people. nobody gets a lawyer, they can't cross-examine effectively and they can call their own witnesses.

this whole process, people would look at it different if you ran in a bipartisan, honorable fashion. what we were just talking about in the last section, we if you look at the ukraine mass, it's a mess, russians were killing ukrainians and the biden family was getting rich. joe biden was doing nothing to stop it, not sending aid. he was helping his son continue to get rich. no one is talking about that. trump comes in, sends lethal aid to the ukraine, his son is not getting rich in ukraine. people need to focus on what the actual facts are in this case and stop worrying about some ambassador. >> dana: do you want to listen to your sound bite? >> juan: allow me to respond for just a second and to say, you know what, elections have consequences. democrats are in the majority of the house. adam schiff ran a logical, legal proceeding under the house rules for impeachment and republicans

were engaged in a strategy of trying to interrupt, disrupt, and prevent the start of her testimony. but now it's being portrayed -- adam schiff is the bad guy. this is, like, absurd but you have to watch to understand, that's not what happened. she was trying to disrupt the hearing. jim jordan was trying -- devin nunes was trying. it's just important to understand once again that when it comes to the republican defense, they go off and, what about, what about this, jesse? the benghazi hearing. where they run any differently? answer, no. democrats were in the minority. >> jesse: wait a second, juan. it was not done in private, and republicans could have witnesses there. >> dana: kennedy would like to lay in on adam schiff's behavior, on a least a phonics elise stefanik's moments. >> kennedy: they had agreed to

the rule, like it or not. that's how both chambers are run and are all playing by the same playbook. if he allowed elise stefanik to use some of the time, adam schiff would glassful down the gavel her down and they knew it would be -- >> dana: do you know what every reader needs? at week end. we'll switch gears. mayhem on the football field for the wild nfl brought everyone's talking about. that's next on "the five."

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>> kennedy: welcome back. it's time for the fastest seven. first up, it's the wild nfl brawl between the cleveland browns and the pittsburgh steelers last night

on fox that's got everyone talking. watch. >> i believe myles garrett... sorting that helmet? >> there will be some ejections coming out of this. some suspensions. >> kennedy: he hits them in the head! suspended indefinitely for attacking steelers quarterback with his helmet. other players involved were also disciplined. we didn't see the beginning of that when he tried to take out garrett's helmet. >> the quarterback initially tried to rip the helmet off the other player. but i always find this interesting because contact sports require you and expect you to crush the opponent and turn that off immediately. when we are on "the five," we get really crazy and in the

breaks we have to be everything is fine but sometimes it's not, right? you are trying to kill somebody and you are supposed to kill turned itself off? i also have to say he was lucky he didn't kill the guy with the helmet. makes me think about -- kennedy candle makes you think how many events in your life are driven by the result and not by the intent. if you are driving and you almost hit somebody, life goes on. if you hit somebody, life is over. >> kennedy: that's attempted murder. you could get the electric chair for attempted murder. >> greg: he didn't start the fight! if i punched tyrus and he punches me, is it up to him not to punch me back to not kill me? is up to him? >> jesse: i do not think this quarterback started it. from what i saw in the video -- >> kennedy: he tried to tear myles garrett's helmet off! you can't do that!

>> jesse: i didn't see them try to rip anybody's helmet off. i saw his hand on the guy's face which happens all the time but when you rip someone's helmet off like that and try to smash his face in, that's, like, assault. that's a criminal act. >> kennedy: when you use a helmet like a weapon -- >> jesse: they know the line. he's very frustrated, having a bad season because he lost his cool. >> greg: you are the quarterback! >> jesse: the quarterback couldn't take his helmet and that she could be blinded. he could never play another down in the rest of his career. >> kennedy: he could be severely injured and that's why myles garrett has been suspended indefinitely. that's the rest of the season and the postseason where the other players got three games and a fine.

but, juan, in hockey, you get 2 minutes. in hockey, you get blood, you get five. >> juan: you don't want to use your stick in hockey, you get in trouble. they want whether that's criminal assault in hockey and the question is if you are a helmet, it's criminal assault and football. these guys are professional athletes. not only going to cost them money, that because his team. that someone who's really out of control in their emotions are not good sense. i think the point was made to say, you get webbed up in an aggressive contact sport. but you can't do that. >> jesse: a bench clearing ball in baseball and the guy comes out of the mound with a bath. >> greg: what about the pitcher throwing a 100-mile-per-hour fastball at someone's head? >> juan: that starts fights. >> dana: i've seen "naked gun."

>> kennedy: last word? >> dana: i do not know what to say. i was watching the hearing all day and watching this for the first time. >> greg: should the player be impeached? >> dana: lock him up! >> juan: i will say this. when you see your own kid, i've seen my kid and a hockey fight. you freak out. wow, that's violin! >> dana: did he start the fight? >> juan: i don't know... >> dana: he once dominated the airwaves of msmb msnbc and cnn. but times sure have changed for the disgraced former lawyer for stormy daniels michael avenatti. check out what happened on "jeopardy." >> this lawyer star rose while rubbing his name, forgotten, obviously, michael avenatti.

>> jesse: not even the chance to know your name. sad state. >> dana: james hall tower one of the most decorated champions in history had no idea and he was a pop culture guy. >> greg: this is the thing that i get under avenatti's skin because he wanted to be famous, not forgotten. can create an event that could make a more miserable. people tweeting at him. i was taking some kind of pleasure out of it and i shouldn't say that but i was taking pleasure because he was taking pleasure out of tormenting kavanaugh and other people. i have to say, alex trebek, sorry, pat sajak, you are a number of two. alex trebek is number one for now. >> kennedy: if they had added one time presidential candidate, i think everyone would have gotten it. >> greg: i would've said guest

at a cnn house party. >> jesse: how about creepy poor do you think michael avenatti, needs a little bit of mojo? should he inject himself? >> juan: i think stormy daniels needs to get into the race. that's a contest. >> greg: i would be for that. that would be great to see. >> juan: she should challenge trump on the republican side? >> jesse: she's a democrat, juan. >> dana: if you can't stop buying stuff online there may be a good reason. online shopping addiction is officially a mental health condition. and officially be recognized as one. dana, getting ready for the show and i was reading the story, i might have a problem because i immediately went on amazon and bought something. >> dana: it's so convenient.

shoot, i forgot to buy toothpaste, going to have this -- >> greg: i was going to say... >> dana: i buy a lot online. you have a lot of time to surf the internet when watching these hearings. i wasn't, but i could've. >> kennedy: is this on the spectrum of addiction? >> greg: it's all based on anticipation. whether it is food, buying stuff, or sex, it's the thrill of a new experience that drives you to the addiction so you need to do more whether it's cocaine or porn, whatever. it's actually in everything you do. political strife, conflict on cable tv. >> dana: i was thinking about that today, what will the press do when this president is gone because it's going to be so boring.

>> jesse: withdrawal. >> dana: we are going to have that shakes. >> juan: really? i feel like, wow, can we get over this. can we stop with the twitter, fighting. i must say, i think it's the result of boredom that people get on the cell phone, mobile device and let me buy make this, let me buy that. >> dana: you forget what you order. >> jesse: the worst is something wow returning what you ordered. hijacking pleasure centers, greg. >> greg: mine and others. >> jesse: sounds like an impeachable offense. >> dana: sounds like one of our segments in our hr meetings. friday fan mail next. >> greg: hijacking pleasure centers...

>> greg: we are answering your questions. first one from jail, today is clean your refrigerator day. what's the worst thing you ever found cleaning out your refrigerator, dana? >> dana: there's not a lot of food in there. things are great, but one time not too long ago, i was cleaning

it out and in the vegetable drawer, we don't eat too much at home and i was, like, what is that, i picked it up. it used to be a solid. it was a cucumber. it was horrendous. >> greg: that's a wonderful thing. kennedy, you have kids. you must have weird stuff in your fridge. >> kennedy: they don't put a lot of the slime in the fridge, but the slime is weird trying to figure out what it is. should i be mad or is that slime? if it slime, it's usually fine for the worst thing my mom found in the fridge was my appendix. because i was in eighth grade, i beg the doctor to give it to me in formaldehyde and he did. thank you, doctor. >> greg: there you go. met a great pizza topping. >> jesse: i still have this problem, mold. when you buy fruit, he gets multi-very quickly. i only get organic stuff.

you have to protect mold on the regular. >> juan: coming into the season for this, you have eggnog around christmas time and it's, like, you were in february. here's some eggnog. clumps of ale eggnog.>> greg: i had a buddy oe staying with me in allentown because we took the bar exam in philadelphia and i left for work, sleeping on my couch and before he took the bus he went into my fridge and poured himself some fruit punch and ended up missing the bar -- completely knocked out and he called me. i had pulled out the fruit punch. it was in a solid container. there were stalks growing in it. that's why you shouldn't stand myself up. i don't have a lot of room. >> jesse: reason number one.

>> greg: what's the rear weirdest phase you went through growing up, kennedy. your fox news phase? your mtv phase? >> kennedy: when i was in fifth grade i was really into the roller rink because i i likd roller skating with my friends. and i put vaseline on my face because i thought i looked really good. i looked good! if i look weird on tv it's because i think i look great. >> greg: jesse? >> jesse: i thought i was black -- i wanted to be black. i had all the gear -- >> greg: i don't want to know. >> dana: do you want me to call human resources right now? >> juan: actually, he did a test. tell them about the test! >> dana: the dna test! >> juan>> jesse: 1%.

>> juan: there you go. >> greg: did you have a weird phase? where you conservative? >> juan: not around this crew. i never went home. everybody got to mentally home that i was involved with bad stuff. i wasn't. just playing. >> dana: i got my driver's license. can't remember who it was. it was a girlfriend and we used to go all the way downtown to denver to this coffee shop that was very hip and happening, we would sit there every night and we thought we were so cool. >> greg: i would say buying her monica and i bought a harmonica. do you know what i you remind meof? clove cigarettes. of 1988. >> dana: does that come in vape? >> greg: i don't know! i was smoking cloves at the coffee shop. "one more thing" coming up next.

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>> juan: it's time for one more thing on a fun friday. >> dana: a trio of castaway cows feared dead were discovered on north carolina's outer banks paid the cars washed up after swimming miles to escape hurricane dorian's storm surge months ago. they think the stranded cows swam 5 miles during september storm and found near cape lookout and now they are living on cedar island, must be some fresh water for them to survive. the 8-foot mini tsunami that washed these animals away. as seashore spokesman said the cows were heroic after the harrowing feet to survive but had to be returned home. >> greg: that was a mooving

story. >> jesse: major milestone this week. not the dow, another milestone. that's right, jesse watters has hit a million twitter followers which is amazing because i don't really tweet that much. not anything controversial, except what i say on the show. as greg said yesterday, i'm a better person on twitter than i am on real life. also, "watters' world," goes deep in the heart of chicago and ask about barack obama failing them. also, the big quiz show with kate pavlik and i. check that out. i wonder who wins? >> juan: no hints? >> jesse: have to tune into tucker. >> greg: "the greg gutfeld show," you've got one of these. haven't done this in a while. ♪ animals are great ♪ animals are great

when you are fighting over food, you've got to be smart about it, right? check out these three critters right here all wanting a piece of steak and the smart one, always be in the middle. because the other two, they cancel each other out and the one in the middle... [laughter] isn't that amazing? that cat ends up eating all of it and actually helping out the other cat because he's going to eat all the way through it. isn't that a beautiful story? ♪ animals are great ♪ animals are great >> juan: let me go quickly because we are running out of time. legendary harlem globetrotters got more legendary. the basketball team has added six new guinness world record titles, including as a basketball team that played in the most countries around the world. the six new record titles bring the team's total to 22 guinness titles. right now, they just added the

most dribbles in a figure eight while blindfolded. they also added the further shop between the legs, and the longest underhand basketball shot. by the way, you can see them for the holidays. they are on the pushing the limits world tour. kennedy? candidate: animals are great, they are also expensive. >> kennedy: teamed up with this. they've got pupper coates, they've got leashes that range to $575 per they are stylish and extra ordinary. your french bulldog can live like he's on the champs-elysees. >> greg: nice pronunciation! >> juan: would you buy that? >> kennedy: i would accept it as a gift. >> greg: that's a bribe! quid pro quo!

>> juan: what about jeffers? >> kennedy: he has to wear a coat if it's below 20 degrees. >> juan: what about scout? >> juan: that's it for us. we'll be back monday. have a great week. >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i am bret baier. the historic process of impeachment collides with social media to produce a big moment republicans questioned if she had any first-hand information about the main allegation of quid pro quo, now called bribery