>> all right, good afternoon, let's get straight to a fox news alert involving our military. president trump granting clemency to two army officers accused of war crimes and restoring the rank of a navy seal. welcome to news headquarters, i'm ed henry. clint lorance was released from prison six years after he was convicted of second degree murder and also matt golsteyn will have a murder charge against him dropped and eddie gallagher, the rank of chief petty officer restored after convicted of posing with a photo of a dead islamic state fighter.

lucas joins with details. good afternoon. >> good afternoon, ed. in his first television interview since president trump granted the pardon, matt golsteyn sends the following message to the forces. >> i think it sends a clear signal that the president of the united states is paying attention, that he's not going to be backed off by, you know, institutional elements of the dod that are going to try to retain their ability to do certain things and force outcomes, and weaponize the military justice process, and then hide behind process. >> golsteyn had been charged with murdering a bomb maker in 2010. in an interview with bret bret baier he admitted to killing him because he was afraid he was

kill u.s. civilians. and clint lorance had been serving and nine men from his union testified against him. and eddie gallagher was's rank, was charged with posing for a photograph with another dead isis fighter. and mark esper met with president trump earlier this month. >> i had a robust discussion with the president yesterday and i offered, as i do in all matters, the facts, the options, my advice, the recommendations, and we'll see how things play out. >> in a statement, the pentagon reacted to president trump's decision, quote, the department of defense has confidence in the military justice system. the president is part of the military justice system as the commander-in-chief and has the authority to weigh in on matters of this nature. some pentagon brass are uneasy

with the controversial decision saying it could undermine good order and discipline. ed: thank you for starting us off with that and for a deep dive into this. and the vice chief of staff and a fox news strategic analyst, general, good to have you today. >> good to be with you here, ed, on this show. ed: i'm graduate you're here. i respect my colleague, pete, passionately advocating for the president to provide this clemency and then you have other folks like secretary esper as passionately advocating against it. i've got great respect for your service as well. where do you come down on this? >> well, first of all, i don't second guess the president nor the chain of command that brought the charges. and look it, we don't have the facts here and all we can do is speculate. a couple of things our audience should understand. if you're innocent of something you want to be in the military justice system not the civilian

justice system. why is that? the investigation is done by the unit where the offense committed and that knowledge is brought forward by your peers. if the command is recommending actions against you, that's your commander. he understands what is going on every day. he's not remotely removed from you, he knows who you are and moves up through to a trial. if it goes to a jury trial, you really do have a jury of your peers, in that courtroom, the jury decides guilt, innocent and sentencing. they have lived the same life that you have lived. they have been in combat themselves. if a policeman was charged with doing something wrong in america and he went to a jury trial, there would not be a single policeman on that jury i venture to say, prosecutors wouldn't allow it, so it's a very fair system, but it has mistakes and when people make mistakes in the system, and the president looks at it and says, something isn't right here, then he has the

authority, even without any verbal justification, to change and overturn the jury, but overturning the jury i think is a big deal, but if a prosecutor's run afoul or misrepresented the facts, then it should be doen. ed: general, a quick follow-up on this, the president says, look, we train these young men and women to become war fighters and when they kill somebody with the taliban or other terrorists, sometimes we're looking over their shoulder and second guessing them and that's wrong. but then you've got secretary esper who was nominated by this president, obviously, to be defense secretary and as you heard in that bite, he said we had a robust discussion about it. it sounds like his own defense secretary was not on board with this? >> i don't know for sure, but just reading between the lines, i think he was probably advocating that let the military justice system continue to work its way. it's a good system, it's a fair system, it serves us very well. i suspect that's where he's coming from. make no mistake about this though, you can be a hero one day and then you kill somebody the next day and you murder somebody who is unarmed, even

though that's a bad person. you don't have the authority to do that. we don't want people in america running around with that idea. ed: yeah. >> and we don't want a soldier thinking that he can kill innocent civilians on the battlefield and because he's on the battlefield and somehow that's justified and returning to the united states of america thinking he can get away with killing innocent people, no, no, we put in play in the military justice system the values of our democracy is what is being exercised there. ed: general, let's move to the mideast where we have troops there and the president had big meetings this past week with the president of turkey, president erdogan, in the oval office. i have a source in the oval office the president sort of in the words of this person, gave a civics lessons. these senators don't like you and sanction you more if you don't clean it up. was anything resolved in those meetings? >> no, but i think a couple of things are really happening here. one is, erdogan was vehemently

opposed to the sanctions that the president was imposing on him and that's why he had called him and tried to get relief from that and the president said yes, only if you go to cease-fire and that's what erdogan did erdogan is back here for two reasons. one, the ypg or the syrian kurds, only a portion of this em moved out of that 20-mile so-called safe zone, it's actually 300 miles in length so it's a considerable amount of space and erdogan is contemplating returning to military action to evict them out of there ands' feeling his way here in terms of what would happen to him if he goes back to military operations and sanctions get imposed. he doesn't want that. the second thing is, the congress has passed sanctions against erdogan for buying the russians s-400 missiles and he's also wants to be able to keep those missiles. we do not want him to keep those missiles, at least moth ball those missiles and buy our

missiles and probably give him a good discount under the circumstances. i think he's trying to feel the president out because the president has not slapped those sanctions on him yet. ed: right. >> if that's actually coming and i think the president's trying to tell him, it's coming if you don't moth ball those missiles and buy american. ed: that seems like the message sent in the oval office no doubt. the hot spot in hong kong. the last few days we've seen, there was a student who-- a young student who died on friday. there was a few days ago, the police there in hong kong were taking on a much bigger role. one protester was shot at close range a few days back. this u.s. senate, as you know, is now circulating a bill that's getting some support that is suggesting maybe the u.s. may get more involved here. how do you see this playing out? >> well, i think the hong kong protesters certainly have gained worldwide support, support of the united states. it's such a clash of values here in a repressive authoritarian

regime like chinese party is. and hong kongs, they're on the front line against this thing, but they reflect the values of america. that's what's on the streets there. so, yes, the world is behind them. xi jinping has made some bad mistakes in not tolerating some of the things that should have been done here in terms of exercising their freedoms. if they push in on this thing, i see a low level insurgency starting here. these people are not going to give up. this is a nightmare unfolding for the communist chinese party. and all they have to do is back up and grant them some of the desires they want, give them back freedoms taken away interest them. but the regime is so paranoid that if they do something like that, it's such a sign of weakness that it will undermine the control they have over mainland chinese people. ed: and a lot of pressure on the chinese, communist chinese government now as you suggest, given the trade talks with the

u.s., trade talks with the chinese and a lot on the table. >> good luck with the show. ed: i appreciate it. meanwhile, the first week of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry now in the books and the investigation goes on not even taking a break on this saturday. in fact, breaking this hour, another deposition underway on capitol hill. as the white house budget official is testifying behind closed doors. his name is mark sandy. he's expected to talk about the holdup, brief holdup of military aid to ukraine. our senior capitol producer is on the hill. chad you've been working around the clock and now a rare time on saturday they're working behind closed doors. what do we know how it's playing out. >> that tells you a lot just the fact that you'd have someone come up on a saturday morning for a deposition underscores the importance of this official. central to the democrats' argument about impeachment here is there's a reason why aid to ukraine was held up. this whole idea of trying to investigate the bidens, there's a reason why they want to hear

from mark sandy today. keep in mind they've been trying to get other omb officials in the door including the actor director, and the acting director of omb, mick mulvaney, he was subpoenaed, so far no dice on that, ed. ed: interesting. late last night after everything, we'll talk in a moment about what happened in public yesterday. in private, after the hearing ended, there was another official, david holmes, who came in and there were some explosive allegations coming out of that. how stig do we think that may be? >> again, you wouldn't have somebody come up for a deposition on friday night that ran until 10:00 unless they thought the david holmes testimony was critical to this investigation. again, he's a diplomate in ukraine and he said, you know, in his opening statement to investigators that he says that bill taylor the acting ambassador to ukraine told him that gordon sondland ambassador to the european union made clear

on biden urisma, that's why the deposition-- >> i wonder if there's another angle, trying to tie the president closer to what was happening with gordon sondland checking whether or not the bidens were going to be investigated. the republican pushback on that among other things, this is still hearsay. bill taylor heard from, that david holmes, overheard the conversation, and this person told that person, and all the rest. but i wonder if there's another angle here. you mentioned gordon sondland. my understanding in private he's previously testified, sondland that he had not talked to the white house or the biden investigation, the possibility of a biden investigation. this testimony from last night is suggesting that sondland talked directly to the president about potential biden investigations and sondland may have a problem here. >> that's the crux here, gordon

sondland revamped his testimony before the transcript came out about a week and a half ago, he's due to testify next wednesday and republicans are going to point to the idea that at lo of these witnesses are getting information secondhand and thirdhand, you had elise stefan stefanik, and another saying yesterday was a good day for the president. the key is sondland. we've had a couple of big days of hearing so far. marie yovanovitch hearing was significant, and gordon sondland without doubt is the biggest one. ed: and that's what we'll have our eyes in. appreciate you coming in on saturday. >> thank you, ed. ed: joining me for more-- i want to start with gordon sundayland, quote, unquote, witness for democrats.

and they have an issue whether was sondland or taylor, he said that she said that he said and i overheard on a phone call. a lot of hearsay? >> and they've been joking around with the reo speedwagon song, i heard it from a friend who heard it from friend. i saw the light turn red as opposed to my friend called me and told me the light turned red. but to put it in context, i was joking around with some of my colleagues, we've been doing this a long time, trials. let's just start celebrating too much. things can change and momentum can change a little like a football game. right now this is not going particularly well, in my view as a trial lawyer, for the democrats, right. they're not really establishing much of the core themes they want to, but again, as you just teed it up perfectly. you've got the new witness next week and let's see what they say and the other point is the

chronology with respect to the aid. in the political discussions everybody jumps in too quick, they got the money, that's it, but there may be a chronological story line that sheds more light. hard to say, sorry, it's important that the money was paid. ed: and to your big overriding point. >> yeah. ed: at the end of the day after two big hearings so far, it doesn't appear that democrats have made much headway in terms of suggesting there was a crime by the president or anyone around him. i want to play this exchange from the yovanovitch testimony yesterday with republican chris stewart. watch. >> do you have any information regarding the president of the united states accepting any bribes? bribes? >> no. >> do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the united states has been involved with at all? >> no. >> so did you see a crime? >> no. >> extremely powerful. and then when the two diplomates

testified the first day, there was a powerful moment. albeit it's explained that's not their job to make legal conclusions, but you may remember one of the representatives said, what's the crime involved mere? shout it out, you remember. and it was like silence, deafening silence and the again the way things play out in a courtroom or hearing room, it's interesting when you get those moments. in the end, ed, it's a distinction between a political discussion and a legal discussion. ed: it's not a trial. >> it's not a legal case. impeachment is fundamentally political more than it is legal. and so the fact of the matter is, it makes the discussion very confusing, but all of the doj experts and you've seen many of them, guys who worked in doj. i was assisting attorney on the front lines for nine years, every day, day in and day out, we'll tell you if you presented this fact pattern hypothetically to intake prosecutor they would conclude it's extremely weak and decline to make it in. as a bribery or extortion case. so it's a question of relativity. bad moves not smart,

inadvisable, but you can't criminalize it. ed: damaging the president, but the idea of this being an impeachable offense. >> a bit of a stretch in my view. ed: and legal versus political, the president has been frustrated that-- he believes he doesn't have due process and hasn't been able to confront the whistleblower and tweeting during the hearing and there's a lot of to do about it, his side is saying, he has a first amendment right to speak out. adam schiff says, no, it looks like you're tampering with the witness, you're intimidating the witness by tweeting. and here is the quote from stephanie grisham. the press secretary. the tweet was not witness intimidation, it's the president's opinion he's entitled to. this is a totally illegitimate charade stacked against the president. and that's it for the white house, want to be fair to them. but from your perspective was it

a mistake for for him to do it at all. >> i saw ken starr. what he does with the tweet highlights the overall impeachment thing. inadvisable, but it's not a crime. that's the theme of the whole impeachment hearing and that's the theme of the tweet. so if you look at the statute, 18 usc 15-12 tampering with a witness it starts with whoever kills a witness. next, whoever seriously physical harms a witness. and those are anecdotal examples, wait a minute. ed: a far cry from a tweet. the point it, it does go on in fairness anybody would endeavors to intimidate a witness's testimony. again, everybody gets way out in front of the ski tips pontificating about this is an obstruction and-- with the political discussion. ed: thank you for your wife letting you off. >> we were in the car headed for

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>> boy, look at this, chaos breaking out with people running for cover after a man opens fire during a high school football game in new jersey last night. the shooting left at least two people seriously wounded, including a 10-year-old boy who at this hour is fighting for his life. it happened in pleasantville, near atlantic city. authorities say five men, including the alleged gunman have been charged in connection with that shooting. and in southern california, the suspected gunman behind a deadly high school shooting has died from a self-inflicted wound. on thursday, that student opened fire at his high school and

injuries other students before shooting himself in the head. it appeared the early morning attack was planned, but the motive behind the deadly shooting still unclear. well, in louisiana voters are headed to the polls today. in the hotly contested gubernatorial race it pits john bell edwards against eddie risponi. he will get your taxes and auto insurance way down as well. casey stegall is live in baton rouge. the complaining for rispone. >> the president has been here three times the last couple of weeks and there's been a great deal of momentum leading up to today's election. in fact, a near record number of early voters, about a half million ballots were cast prior

to the polls opening todayment and that's likely to account for a third or more of the total vote and it's 100,000 more than the number of early voters during last month's primary that led to this runoff in the first place. hard to tell which candidate that could favor. the democratic incumbent governor, john bell edwards who has campaigned largely on his record crisscrossing the state the last couple of weeks and meeting with voters and drumming up support. while his republican challenger, meanwhile, eddie rispone, vowed to get new orleans back to its republican roots. he's used president trump's support to his advantage in the red state noting the similarities between himself and the president. listen. >> when the president comes down here with his popularity, because he's proven that, it really helped me getting the citizens to recognize, yes, you

have that opportunity to get someone just like me in that respect, a business person, conservative outsider, not beholden to special interests, to do for louisiana what he's done for the country. >> largest in our state's history, three consecutive surpluses. [applause] >> today i can stand before you and say over 450,000 louisianaens have health insurance who didn't have it before i became governor. >> the polls close at 8:00 tonight and by all accounts, ed, it's shaping up to be a squeaker. we'll be here and keep you posted. ed: casy stegall, thanks for joining us. in the meantime that crowded 2020 democratic field could get larger. the latest big name that's shaking up the race. a live report from new hampshire is coming up. plus, former president barack obama offering an unusual warning to some of the top

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the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. >> now to democracy 2020. candidates filing paper work to be on the battle in new hampshire. this includes former massachusetts governor deval patrick to says he's in. he's late, but in. and it could get crowded with former new york city mayor mike bloomberg. and it seems that hillary clinton is not quite closing the door on a third try. and paul, good to see you. >> great to join you, thank you. ed: it's a busy week. deval patrick getting in late. let's start with him. somebody very close to barack obama and eyebrows were raised that obama has been on the side lines and not endorsing joe

biden and not saying he's entorsing patrick, but was there a wink and a nod, let's try it out? >> we asked deval patrick to put pen to paper and he said in his confidences with the president, the president is not taking sides. warning him he's getting in late, but not stopping him and that the president agreed with him, you know, a spirited primary is healthy for the party. and so, i don't think you're going to see this president, this former president backing anybody right now, probably not until the nomination process is over. he's got his former vice-president running and julian castro who was a cabinet member as well. >> and the question whether deval patrick is getting in too late in terms of getting organization going and michael bloomberg. he filed for alabama and looks like he may try to skip new hampshire, which is risky. i spoke with a democratic

strategist who used to work for president obama, it looks like bloomberg wants to do an air war and focus on ads for super tuesday, but he needs a ground war. >> i think he's going to to skip and pretty much what his top advisor told him, if he runs, he would be skipping the early voting states, that's obvious here because he did not put his name on the battle here in new hampshire and i don't think he plans to campaign heavily in iowa, south carolina or nevada. he's got the money to drop the ads in the states that vote on super tuesday. he went up the other day with a $100 million digital ad going against donald trump. that's a humongous amount of money, for him i guess just pocket change, but not in new hampshire much. >> and tom steyer with ads in iowa and it hasn't had impacts. there's the question whether the

digital and tv ads has an impact. someone like elizabeth warren has been on the ground in these states and really been picking up speed. what's going on there? the last 24 hours we've heard pete buttigieg and others going after elizabeth warren for medicare and all. is she for all intents and purposes the front runner at this point? >> she's a co-front runner. let's say that. joe biden leads in the national polls. here in the early voting states, voting states like new hampshire and iowa, it's kind of a jumbled top. you've got warren, sanders, biden and buttigieg, a clear four candidates in that top tier. watch out though, next week we've got that debate coming up on the 20th, right, later couple of days. watch out elizabeth warren she's going to be the center of attention and coming under attack big time. you're right about the early voting states like new hampshire and iowa it's all about retail. it's about grass roots outreach. the ads help, but they're not the main thing, you need organization in that state and warren has a big one.

devalue pat trek n-- deval patrick and he's looking ott operatives, maybe former beto o'rourke operatives quickly. ed: you can find his work on foxnews.com. thanks for coming in. ed: thanks, ed. ed: and a strategist and fox news contributor. you've been telling me the field is so strong, we've got candidates. why don't michael bloomberg and deval patrick agree with you. >> i think they make the field absolutely stronger. in the case of deval patrick in particular. here is what deval patrick brings to the field that's missing. he actually has governing experience. he's a governor of what is seen to be a blue state and actually done some transformative things there. before leaving office passed a $13 billion infrastructure bill. beyond that one of the first governors in the country to extend health care access to those addicted to drugs, which

is addicted to opioids, something other states are now trying to adopt. on top of that, he's made moves on a lot of various issues. will he have trouble answering some on-- of course he will, but-- >> when you start talking about deval patrick rattling for two or three things, spending 13 billion dollars, spending on infrastructure, spending on health care. doesn't your party have a problem now when elizabeth warren is outspending bernie sanders, a democratic socialist, and some estimates are the price tag of $52 trillion for medicare for all? isn't that moving too far left? >> i don't think it's too far to the left. i think if you talk to folks the primary voters, the status quo isn't working. the price of health care is far too high for our senior citizens and families and people who go to work every day. whether it's elizabeth warren, joe biden, pete buttigieg

they're all putting forward plans to make sure that health care is affordable. is the elizabeth warren a more robust plan? absolutely. when you talk to joe bidens and buttigiegs of the world, they want expanding, but two world views. ed: you don't think the price tag is too high. i've got news for you, a democrat who you supported for a long time disagrees with you. his name is barack obama. here is what he said behind closed doors to campaign donors even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality, richard. he says the average american does not think we have to completely dare down the system and remake it. by the way the times went on to say wrong the issues he warned democrats in the 2020 field on were immigration, remember in the first debate in miami, would you give health care to illegal immigrants all the hands went up and joe biden did the halfway raise and also health care. we're talking medicare for all.

why is even barack obama now saying the party's got to be careful about going so left? >> well, i don't think me and the president disagree. i don't think that the president is wrong. that the elizabeth warren camp, a new system an of we got the system eight years ago, 13 more to be frank, that the american people don't have an appetite for a new system. what the american people actually want improve the system that's in place. there are things that people like affordable care act. they like the fact that their college student can now get health care. there are things that people doesn't like about the afford cabal air act, the premiums are too high and the co-pay, too high and deductible is too high. what can we do on capitol hill to assure that we decrease deductibles, what can we do on capitol hill that epipen does not cost $1,000 in the united states when it's 30 or $40 in canada. and those are things that democrats and republicans can work on together and shouldn't take a presidential campaign.

ed: less than 30 seconds, you say why don't we do something about epipens and health care. nancy pelosi got elected to do something about the issues and she she's working on impeaching the president. >> we passed tons of bills to do just that decrease the health insurance and mitch mcconnell has not brought it up. and he hasn't said, congress, let's get to work. making the sausage and really ensuring that americans have affordable health care, instead he's tweeting about his impeachment. ed: let's see if the democrats can do both, a little of impeachment and-- >> we definitely can, every day on capitol hill. ed: very optimistic on that saturday. thanks for coming in. >> good to see you. ed: a big week in the impeachment inquiry. after the closed door hearings burst out in the open of the does the testimony actually prove anything or help the president's case? former trump deputy campaign manager joins me live next.

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>> do you have any information regarding the president of the united states accepting any bribes? >> no. >> do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the united states has been involved with at all? >> no. ed: that moment yesterday on capitol hill as ousted ukrainian ambassadorive yovanovitch testified in the open inquiry and now it continues behind closed doors. the president of the political action committee, citizens united. >> thanks for having me, ed. ed: i appreciate you come clip because it seems for all the chin pulling and hair scratching and everything, about tweets around the hearing, bottom line is when pressed about this, she

said i didn't see anything illegal. >> right. well, she didn't see anything illegal and adam schiff now has their third witness with absolutely no evidence. as a matter of fact, ed, this ambassador and the other witnesses have never spoken to donald trump, never even heard from donald trump. never met the president. this is an farce. the american people are turning this thing off. the democrats have gone too far. they have let their hatred for this president get to them. they've let their hatred for this president undermine what they're supposed to be doing in congress and they've undermined the rule of law. they've got given the president due process, we could talk about this, this proves to me that the democrats have no evidence and this is a sham and they should really shut it down before they embarrass themselves. ed: fair enough about what happened in the hearing room, but i need to press you on what happened later last night. because david holmes comes in, he's another administration official and he says he

overheard, and i know you're upset about the hearsay and a friend told a friend and-- that ambassador gordon sondland was talking to the president of the united states and among other things, the president asked whether or not the ukrainians were going to go forward with the biden investigation. sund sondland suggested yes. in his private testimony he said under he never talked to anyone about the biden investigation. >> that's hearsay, this witness is a saying had he third something on a phone where it's-- they say it's not on speaker phone so i'm wondering how this individual did hear this in a restaurant. there's going to be a lot of questions, and we could be skeptical about the versus rasty of this witness and i'm going to be because as the former chief investigator for these types of investigations, i would be looking at this person's

background and their political motives. this is-- this sounds more to me like the democrats putting together this piecemeal operation and this information comes out long after the depositions of those individuals. so, how is it that they're just remembering it? >> that's going to be a big question and another thing that happened outside of impeachment, but related to these many investigations out there, roger stone yesterday convicted of impeding investigators in a bid to protect president trump. he's convicted on what is it, seven counts of lying. why is somebody who was advising the president now convicted of lying? >> well, first of all, ed, you know, there's a conversation to be had about what roger stone was or wasn't saying. i was the xa in, personally didn't know roger stone and didn't know anybody who was and e-mail traffic shows there may have been e-mails. there was no advising, i think that's over the top and don't

think that's accurate. however, roger stone would not be convicted today, he wouldn't have been locked at if he had not been helping this president get elected and we see selective prosecutions and i think roej roger stone i'm not a fan of, i have a long history being in legal disputes with him and me winning, and so i'm not a fan of his, but i think he was treated incredibly poorly and he's somebody who only because he supports the president and so, was convicted of these charges and i think that that's an unfair thing and i think that's what the american people really despised about this fake russia collusion case and that's where this stems from. ed: david, as you know, the president is now suggesting this is a fake ukrainian case, and there's maybe an emerging republican star in this young congresswoman elise stefanik from new york. here is her exchange with chairman adam schiff and i want you to react. watch. >> mr. chairman, i have a

parliamentary inquiry. >> the gentle woman is not recognized. i want to comment. >> mr. chairman, i have a point of order under 60-- >> gentle woman state her point of order. >> will the chairman continue to prohibit witnesses from answering republican questions as you've done in closed hearings and as you did in when you interrupted our questions. >> gentle woman will suspend. that's not a point of order. >> he will not let the young republican lawmaker speak and then alexandria ocasio-cortez ends up liking a tweet from someone on the left sort of beating up on congresswoman stefanik and you can see that liz cheney, a republican leader retweeted it to@aoc, the women on the left so afraid of elise stefanik, #teamelise. what is it someone on the left, if this had been a democratic lawmaker shut down by a republican chairman, i bet it would have played out differently?

>> that's absolutely right. the hypocrisy on the left knows no bounds. they can't even be embarrassed. it's ridiculous. adam schiff treats the republicans with no respect. he has a rule, you know, a steel hand in the hearings, no due process, no questioning by the republicans, no lawyers allowed. the president has no basic representation there. it's really a joke and it's a shame. however, elise stefanik has risen to the occasion and she's taken a page, in my opinion out of henry waxman, really one. great democrat congressmen who ran the clinton-- >> at the hearing. >> magnificent, she's taken a page out of his play book. ed: thank you for coming in. >> appreciate it. ed: new details in the convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein, as

the british royal family has questions about his inks will to the scandal.

>> all right some major developments this afternoon in the investigation into jeffrey epstein's death.

both correctional officers responsible for guarding the accused sex trafficker on the night he died rejected offers. and prince andrew is talking about his friendship with the convicted sex offender. good so see you. >> good to see, ed. buckingham plastic has denied that he did anything. and now he's saying he doesn't remember meeting his accuser. bbc host questioned prince andrew over claims of virginia roberts, now virginia duefree who says when she was 16 years old epstein forced her two sex with prince andrew three times, and including in new york. and prince andrew says he regrets his decision to stay with epstein at his manhattan

mansion at that time. >> that statement, that's the bit where i kick myself for on a daily basis, because it was not something that was becoming of a member of the royal family and we try and uphold the highest standards and practices. >> the interview is coming on the heels of climbs from another woman that epstein raped and trafficked her and she filed suit this past week and questioning the bureau of prisons about his death. ed: still a lot of questions. jacqui heinrich, thanks for coming in. that does it for me. come back tomorrow we'll have peter navarro, the white house trade advisor, is there going to be a china deal coming up this week? we shall see. see you tomorrow. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories about vehicle quality. and when they were done, chevy earned more j.d. power quality awards across cars, trucks and suvs than any other brand

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management and budget official mark sandy is talking to lawmakers behind closed doors. he was issued a subpoena earlier this morning. he's over there. fox news senior capitol hill producer chad pergram has been on the ground since early this morning, he has all the details. >> reporter: we're told so far that the testimony has been technical, dealing with transfer of money. it tells you a lot just the fact that they would are a witness in today because, you know, democrats are trying to create this narrative here saying that there was a holdup on the aid to ukraine. and so to have mark sandy come in to talk about this, he raised some concerns about that. they've tried to get the acting director of omb to come in, also the actual director, mick mulvaney, they have declined those invitations. now, last night there was another witness who came in. they had a closed door deposition that ran until about 10:00. that's pretty significant to

have somebody come in at that hour. this was david holmes, and here's what he hold them in his -- told them in his deposition last night. he says that bill taylor told gordon sundayland, quote -- sondland, quote, it was made clear that some action on a biden-burisma investigation was a precondition for an oval office meeting. most lawmakers coming out of the deposition last night were pretty close-lip ared. eric swalwell, a democrat of california, was one of those members. >> i'm going to leave it to the chairman, you know, to characterize the testimony today. but the arrows continue to point in the direction of a shakedown scheme led by the president of the united states, operated by agents like rudy giuliani, gordon sondland and mick mulvaney. >> reporter: now, a lot of republicans continue to dismiss the hearings and a lot of the criticism. among them is jim jordan, republican of ohio. he was in the deposition this morning. >> i think, frankly are, things

are going well for the president. you know, they've had three hearings, three witnesses with no firsthand knowledge. president trump, president zelensky have said there was no linkage, no pressure, no pushing whatsoever, no linkage between any type of security assistance dollars and an investigation. we have the fact that the ukrainians didn't even know that the aide was -- at the time -- aid was withheld at the time of the call. >> reporter: alexander vindman, the lieutenant colonel who serves on the national security staff and was actually on the call between president trump and the leader of ukraine, he will testify on tuesday. gordon sondland, again, the european union ambassador, he will be up on wednesday, and fiona hill -- the russia adviser who left the nsc over the summer -- she'll be up come thursday. and adam schiff has not ruled out having other public hearings. gillian, back to you. gillian: a little something in there for everyone. chad, thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you,

gillian. leland: all right. attorney general bill barr speaking out against president trump's opponents in congress friday during a speech before the conservative federalist society. take a listen. >> immediately after president trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called the resistance, and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver to sabotage the functioning of the executive branch and his administration. leland: president trump is here in washington today using his twitter account to push back against the impeachment inquiry. ellison barber on the north lawn of the white house with that. >> reporter: hey, leland. a big moment in yesterday's hearing came when president trump attacked the former ambassador to ukraine in a tweet. the committee's top democrat said that the tweet amounted or that he called it witness intimidation in realtime. other committee democrats said

that it amounted to a crime and suggested that they could add another charge to impeachment case. president trump claims he did nothing wrong, he says he has the right to speak, and he does not think his tweets or his words can be intimidating. >> i'll tell you about what tampering is. tampering is when a guy like shifty schiff doesn't let us have lawyers. tampering is when schiff doesn't let us have witnesses, doesn't let us speak. it's a disgrace, and it's an embarrassment to our nation. >> reporter: press secretary stephanie grisham called friday's hearings useless and inconsequential saying, quote: zero evidence of any wrongdoing by the president was presented. in fact, ambassador yovanovitch testified under oath she was unaware of any criminal activity involving president trump. she was not on the july 25th phone call and had no knowledge about the pause on aid to ukraine. it is difficult to imagine a greater waste of time. as our colleague just reported,

friday ended with a u.s. embassy staffer testifying behind closed doors. david holmes reportedly told lawmakers on july 26th he overheard a phone call where president trump asked for an update on the investigation. holmes said he was then told president trump only cared about the big stuff hike the biden investigation -- like the biden investigation being pushed by the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani. president trump has said he has no recollection of that phone call. we continue to the hear from white house officials on the record or just behind closed doors that argument that you heard from the attorney general barr just a minute ago, they keep pointing to the same. they feel like this is a witch hunt, something that has been going on for a long time, and that democrats are trying to make something fit and they've been trying to impeach the president from the very beginning. leland: ellison barber, we'll check back in with you later in the show. and we bring in the gentleman from ohio, congressman brad wenstrup, joining us from

downstairs, deep inside the capitol outside where they are doing all of these depositions. we appreciate you stepping out. first on this point, sir, what do you make of the fact that you guys are all working on a saturday on this? >> well, i mean, i think it comes with the job sometimes. i know that before i even got elected into congress, i remember being at home watching everyone in session over christmas. [laughter] this is going back to 2012 -- leland: [inaudible] over christmas or working on a weekend it's because something's wrong here. do you feel like this is either, a, an attempt at speed by the democrats or, b, an attempt at secrecy? >> well, i think, i think it's probably a little of both, to be honest with you with. i mean, let's face it, what's going on right now being down in the skiff is a a matter of secrecy. and i'm glad you bring that point up because not only will we have these hearings, they will then decide if this is someone they bring forward. if it's somebody that's not

pleading their case, per se, they usually don't bring them forward. and what's even worse is because it's done you should these set of rules -- under these set of rules, we can't even talk about what was said in any other events that are open. so we are completely shut out, and the democrats are only able to bring forward what they want people to hear rather than america getting to hear the whole story. gillian: sir, yesterday we heard an open hearing from former ambassador to the ukraine marie yavanovitch. do you agree with president trump's decision to fire her from if her post in ukraine, and do you agree with the manner in which he did it? yesterday she laid out a strong case that rudy giuliani led a smear campaign against her, and president trump just kind of let that fly. >> is that an impeachable offense? is that what we're talking about here? isn't that what this is supposed to be about -- gillian: but, sir, i asked you

if you agree -- >> hold on, hold on, hold on -- will you let me answer your question? gillian: yes, please. >> okay. but, first of all, this is an impeachment inquiry, and as chris stewart asked yesterday, is there a crime here? no. you're asking me if i agree with how he did it or the fact that he did it, that's up to the president of the united states. and as she said, that is his prerogative. and i can tell you that the same thing happened in poland, because in warsaw they said that we don't really think that this ambassador that's a holdover is in sync with this president, and they made the change there. now, whether she's a victim or not with the situation, a lot of that smearing started from ukrainians. and, you know, sometimes like with a baseball team if the chemistry isn't right, they make the change with the manager -- gillian: sir, everybody is in agreement on the fact that it is the president's prerogative to appoint and dismiss ambassadors as he chooses.

nobody disagrees with that. what focus on the left are critical of here is the manner in which president trump had her fired. do you -- regardless of his decision, do you agree, do you think that the way he handled it was appropriate and was the right way to do it? to treat an ambassador who spenting the last three decades serving the nation in various posts overseas? >> well, that's not up for me to say, to be honest with you, because the -- gillian: why not? >> well, because i'm not the president of the united states, and i'm not the ambassador. i'm here in congress, and i am having to deal with what the rules of engagement are in this world. and what the laws are. and was -- leland: congressman, let's get to the issue though about what the rules are. >> okay. leland: and you spoke about who was and was not being called to testify. you were alluding, of course, to the fact that there's a number of democrats that republicans want to have testify.

hunter biden probably being target number one for republicans. and you're crying foul on that saying that hunter biden should be there, correct? >> well, i think that that is one of the witnesses that we would like to hear from and we're being denied that, yeah. leland: the question is why is it okay for democrats to deny -- i should say why is it wrong for democrats to deny hunter biden being there, but it's okay for president trump to keep john bolton or mick mulvaney or a number of other white house officials from testifying? >> well, one of the things that i would say is through this process is that the white house doesn't, isn't allowed to have any counsel there. they're not allowed to -- leland: that kind of seems like a -- wait, hold on. that seems like a non sequitur between mick mulvaney or john bolton isn't allowed to be there because they don't have counsel? >> well, or two things. one is executive privilege which has always existed -- leland: okay. which the president can waive. >> he can waive with it or he can keep it in place.

and we start to damage that, i think that that's going to be a problem for future presidents. leland: but is it -- okay. a perfectly reasonable position, but how is it then that republicans come out and say the transcript, the transcript, the transcript which is something that is covered by executive privilege, the president was just fine to release that, so should the president be able to pick and choose what he has executive privilege over? are you okay with that? >> yes. because it's called privilege. it's an executive privilege. ing so i think you answered your own question there. gillian: sir, last question for you. on the whistleblower, would it help you -- are you actively seeking to find out the name and identity of the whistleblower in the course of investigation? >> i would like to speak with the whistleblower or the whistleblower's attorney. and we offered to do that in a secret compartment in a secure facility and keep that, keep the anonymity. although the anonymity is not guaranteed, we did offer to do that. and, of course, we've been denied.

leland: all right. gillian: congressman, thanks so much for your time this afternoon. >> you bet. have a great day. leland: debbie dingell of michigan up next, the democrat will be here in the next hour. gillian: well, an army officer has been released from prison, reunited with his family. he's one of two service members president trump pardoned this week. he also restored the rank of a convicted navy seal. lucas tomlinson has all the details. >> reporter: gillian, president trump personally called all three men to share the news. this morning on "fox & friends," one of those pardon -- former green beret major matt goldstein -- thanked the commander in chief. >> to be able, you know, discipline in very austere circumstances. back here it's become synonymous with suspension of your constitutional rights. i think it sends a clear signal that the president of the united states is paying attention, that he's not going to be backed off by, or you know, institutional

elements of dod that are going to try to, you know, retain their ability to do certain things and forced outcomes. >> reporter: goldstein had been charged with murdering a suspected taliban bomb maker in 2010. in a fox news interview in 2016, goldstein admitted to killing the man after his release from u.s. army custody because he feared he would kill u.s. troops or civilians. another army office was freed last night from leavenworth after also receiving a pardon. he had been serving 6 years of a 19-year sentence for second-degree murder in afghanistan. nine men from his unit testified against him. president trump also ordered navy seal eddie gallagher's rank be restored after being found not guilty of murdering an isis fighter but posing for a photograph with a dead isis fighter. defense secretary mark esper met with president trump earlier this month if.

>> i had the chance to have a robust discussion with the president yesterday, and i offered as i do in all matters the facts, the options, my advice, the recommendations, and we'll see how things play out. >> reporter: in a statement the pentagon reacted. quote: the department of defense has confidence in the military justice system. the president is part of the military justice system as the commander in chief and has the authority to weigh in on matters of this nature. i i am told's per laid out the charges against all three men to give the president president is the complete picture. gillian? gillian: lucas, thank you for that. here for reaction is republican pennsylvania congressman, also a member of the house judiciary committee and a former navy jag attorney, so the perfect person to be with us to talk with us. congressman, thanks so much for being with us today. >> thanks for having me on. gillian: yeah, you bet. so is this really president trump reacting to a military

that's become overly lawyered? you know, the president putting his thumb on the scale in favor of men and women that serve in uniform? >> well, i can tell you from personal experience i had, i represented a navy seal who was false hi accused of covering up abuse on the butcher in fallujah, and i saw firsthand how the obama administration just threw these navy seals under the bus for an allegation that it was very clear it didn't happen. so i think what the president is doing here is he's reversing some of the obama era mindset in the military, including letting war fighters be war fighters. gillian: what strikes me there, right, is you and a lot of others go political on this, right? it's like president obama was wrong, president trump is right. but doesn't that kind of miss the point here? isn't the point really about these men and women in service and figuring out how to create a military culture that obviously works for the fighters on the

ground, but also that the american people are comfortable with? >> well, the culture isn't working. in a lot of these cases, the gallagher case there was prosecutorial misconduct where he hacked into the defense team e-mails. one of the other cases,'s cull pa story evidence --'s cull pa story evidence was not handed over, so there were serious issues of prosecutorial misconduct. that's troubling. but i what it does is it makes the war fighter, especially the special forces, second guess themselves when they're on these missions. jill e jill right. >> when they're on these missions, they have to be thinking about capturing and killing the target, not about getting wrongfully prosecuted back home. so i applaud the president's commutation and pardon of these war fighters -- gillian: having their back kind of. >> right. in the military we'd say he has their six, right? but i applaud this reversal of mindset because this will allow the war fighters to focus on the mission and not have that fear in the back of their head that they're going to be wrongfully

prosecuted stateside. gillian: right. which is incredibly important. i mean, we're asking people to put their well-being, often times they're lives on the line. they've got to feel empowered to do what's best what they think in the moment that it demands. but to go back to something i said a moment ago, because i'm sure a lot of people are going to take issue of it. i talked about creating a military culture that the american people are comfortable with. here's the question. is that something that's necessary, that's important? do you think that military culture does need to kind of reflect where the broader american electorate is, or do you think that what they do is so highly specialized and is so important to national security that the public needs to take a step back, hands off and say you guys do you? >> it's -- gillian: you know what i'm saying? >> there's a lot going on there, but do i think the military should operate without rules and order? no, absolutely not. we have the ucmj, we have rules

of engagement. you cannot just join the military and go rogue under the law, right? that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is there's a lot of political correctness that is, unfortunately, at may in the military right now, and i really think that started with the last administration -- gillian: but, sorry, i just want to clarify. if service members behave in a way that the american public thinks is unethical or goes too far, they object to somebody, you know, mistreating a prisoner of war, do you think that the military should take the american public's opinion into account, or do you think they need to kind of block that out and focus on the mission in. >> no. so the american war fighter is a reflection -- with the military as a microcosm, and the war fighters are held to the rules of law, geneva convention, etc. but what's happening now, too often political correctness is getting involved, cases are being brought forward that

shouldn't be brought forward, and worse, the prosecutors are under a lot of pressure to get convictions, and they're cutting corners. we saw it with the gallagher case, in one of these other cases. the case i was on, it got to the point where the prosecutors wouldn't even give me a paper to write a motion. that's how bad it was. i can give you more stories, but that's a problem. these war fighters deserve due process. they have to follow the law, of course, but the law cannot be wrongfully used against them to get wrongful convictions. gillian: well, sir, thanks so much for your time today, for sharing your perspective. really eye-opening, we appreciate it a lot. >> thanks for having me on, gillian. gillian: you bet. leland: gunfire under the friday night lights. not wanting to catch a pass there. happened in new jersey. why the shots rang out, next. ♪ ♪ at bayer, we're helping put more gold

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gillian: it is election day in louisiana, and voters are heading to the polls right now. casting their ballots in the state's gubernatorial race. case i steigel's on -- casey steigel's on the ground in baton rouge. what have you got? >> reporter: hey, gillian. realo pull out a big win here in the state of louisiana today. i've got to tell you, we're outside of a polling location, a

library here in with baton rougd it has been nonstop sin we got -- since we got here this morning, people coming and going, and it really hasn't let up. you know, this is a big deal for the folks of louisiana. early voter turnout was extremely high. in fact, about 30% higher than the actual primary election last month that caused this runoff in the first place. and it's got a lot of national attention. president trump, as you know, was just in the state of louisiana on thursday, drumming up support for millionaire businessman eddie raspone who is the republican challenger to the democratic incumbent governor here, john bel edwards. it's the third time the president has been to louisiana to stump in as many weeks trying to turn the tide and oust the state's democratic leader. raspone has never held public office before, but he is neck and neck with john bel edwards

with this run off. edwards has been in an uphill battle to keep his job, and if he does not win today, it would be just the second time in larry that an incumbent governor had failed to win a second term in a runoff election. listen. >> you have edwards pushing his incumbent record of running for, in terms of running the state for the past few years versus partisanship. and it seem like raspone is trying to run a campaign based mostly on that. >> reporter: a lot of issues are on the minds of louisiana voters as they head into the polls today; education and the economy being two of of the big ones. this is a state that has lost a lot of gas and oil jobs in recent years, and that is something raspone has pointed toward edwards for being responsible for, saying he vows

to get a lot of those jobs back. going to be an interesting one, gillian and leland. back to you guys. gillian: kind of a microcosm, it sounds like, of the rest of the country right now. we'll keep a close eye on it. case i steigel, thanks so much. leland: as casey mentioned, the white house has taken an interest in this race as well. president was making it a referendum about himself. here's president trump speaking in louisiana earlier this week. >> i really need you, but you really need you to send a message to the corrupt democrats in washington. they are corrupt. >> mr. trump, they can't beat you at the polls, so they're trying to overturn our vote in the last election. we're not gonna let that happen. leland: all right. eddie raspone's going to join us in one second. noteworthy, we asked governor john bell ed wades to come -- edwards to come on the program

as well, but he did not agree. appreciate you being here. ing big picture here, this race has become nationalized. how does electing you protect, as you have said, president trump? >> well, i think this election's about do you have a liberal tax and spend trial lawyer, you know, running for governor as our governor, and you have a conservative outsider who is not beholden to potential interests who brings a bunch of -- special interests who brings a bunch of skills there. louisiana loves our president and he loveses us, and so -- leland: but, you're right, you're right, sir. president trump won louisiana by 20 points. he's rallied for you three times, so if louisiana loves the president, he's behind you and he's done three rallieses for you, why is this such a tight race? >> well, you try to get an incumbent out of office, and that's what it's all about as well, you know? you have an incumbent, you have an outsider, a conservative, someone who's never run before,

someone that's not beholden to special interests, very to what the -- very similar to what the president had when he ran. we're 50th, we're last in this country, and he knows we can be a lot -- leland: by what measure, sir, are you last? >> we're last with overall rankings. you go down the list, last in job creation, last -- 49th in education, last in health care. it just goes down the list. and overall ranking is 50th.lee all right. so here is governor edwards defending himself on those points. take a listen. >> the people of louisiana, they will decide this race based on louisiana, not washington, d.c.. leland: governor edwards alluding to the fact that this referendum, nationalized referendum on president trump and the governor's race did not work for the republican incumbent in kentucky.

why should it work in louisiana? >> well, we have a whole different candidate running as a republican. we have a conservative, an outsider, business person, someone who's created thousands of jobs, someone who is not beholden -- leland: respectfully, sir, you said conservative outsider three times. the governor, governor bevan made the exact same arguments on this show i think two weeks ago or a week ago, and then proceeded to lose. so give me manager better than those three -- something better than those three talking points. >> i don't think you can compare the two at all. we have a situation here where we have a job creator, particularly in the oil and gas industry where we've thousands of jobs because of the lawsuit abuse by john bel edwards' plaintiff attorneys. so we need to turn something around here. he is completely beholden to them. we are last -- [inaudible] car insurance again. you know, we go through this over and over again. if we're last, we need to do

manager different, and that's the message that we're getting out there. and the president's been really helpful getting that message out, that we need to do something different if we don't want to be last any longer. that's what we've been doing. the reception has been extraordinary. people are ready for a change, they're ready for something to move forward. leland: you brought up the two issues that appears to be at the center of this race when it comes to taxes and car insurance. once again governor edwards so he gets equal time, then we'll get you to respond. a take a listen. >> mr. rispone is extremely nervous, and he should be. he's invited the president for the third time to come to louisiana to campaign for him, and obviously he's trying to nationalize this race because that's the only shot he has. leland: fair criticism? >> no, it's not fair criticism. i'm not going to be worried about what he's got to say. he's been the failed policies that's kept us last, last for four years in a row. he's had an opportunity to turn the state around, he has not.

and again, you know, we have the second highest car insurance, he's done nothing. we've lost over 70,000 citizens have left this state to find work. he's done nothing but drive the citizens out of this state. we have of got to do something different if we expect different results x that's our message. and the citizens of louisiana keep coming up to me and says, you know, my son and my husband -- leland: to your point, sir, there was a lot of excited people rally you were at on thursday night. we appreciate you taking the time. we see the canvassers and volunteers behind you working. win or lose, come back and talk to us again, sir. >> i appreciate that, leland. thank you for having me. leland: the invitation to governor edwards remains open as well. thank you, sir. gillian: former president barack obama cautioning 2020 democratic presidential hopefuls not to alienate moderate voters ahead of the election. several candidates are taking their message on the campaign trail this weekend, are they taking his advice? ♪ many.

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♪ ♪ leland: the countdown to iowa caucuses is on. several 2020 democrats are in iowa today, working to get a jump. christina coleman with who's on the campaign trail this weekend. hi, christina. >> reporter: hi, leland. it's a tight race right now in iowa with the top four candidates all within a nine-point margin. according to a monmouth university poll out this week, senators amy klobuchar and elizabeth warren holding campaign events in iowa today, two of the top tier iowa contenders are in california right now as the california democratic party's fall convention is underway this weekend. pete buttigieg, who now leads the polls for iowa's democratic nomination, is here in california along with bernie sanders who had a a campaign stop in central california last night and another in los angeles today. bernie and mayor pete will both

be at the state convention today. california would be a big win for bernie who nearly doubled his campaign staff in the state this week. bernie making it clear just how important it is to win voters in the golden state. >> it is no great secret, it is no great secret that california has more delegates to the democratic national convention than any other state. [cheers and applause] you are the largest state in america. [cheers and applause] the truth is that that candidate who wins california has an excellent chance to win the nomination. [cheers and applause] >> reporter: senator kamala harris' campaign, meanwhile, touting the endorsement of the 10,000 member strong united farm workers union, a key endorsement for her struggling campaign especially in the mid of the growing list of democratic

presidential contenders. former massachusetts governor deval patrick officially entered the race on thursday, and billionaire former new york city mayor michael bloomberg taking some first steps at a presidential bid. he filed paperwork to become a presidential candidate in arkansas' democratic primary on tuesday, and he qualified for alabama's primary last week drawing sharp criticism for missing out on months of campaigning. candidates will take part in the next democratic debate this week, but unlike the last debate, beto o'rourke dropped out of the race and former hud secretary julian castro the did not qualify. leland? leland: and deval patrick won't be there either. christina coleman, thanks so much. gillian? gillian: president barack obama weighing in on on the 2020 race yesterday, warning candidates not to alienate more moderate voters saying, quote: even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision, we also are

to be rooted in reality. the average american doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. is so to react to this, we bring in our a-team political panel. we've got democratic strategist robin birow and republican strategist eric beech. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us today. robin, to you first. so president obama kind of saying, you know, the american people, by and large, don't want a revolution, they just want, you know, incremental steps that will make their lives better. maybe the most pragmatic thing he's ever said. >> absolutely. and at his heart, he is a moderate centrist. but i want to make the point that he's being a a little bit disingenuous here, because our campaign message in 2008 when i was one of his directors was that he was the progressive candidate. now, in the general election we dialed that back to make it more palatable to your everyday

viewer. so for him to say that right now in the primary is a little bit disingenuous, but i understand the point that he's making. gillian: well, follow up on that. he also hasn't weighed in much. this is really one of the first things he's said at all. so it seems like it's a very calculated move. it seems like the kind of thing he could say to seniors in the party behind closed doors. >> yes, it does. and, you know, honestly, you could almost take this as an endorsement of joe biden, that's how i looked at it when i read these stories. of. gillian: eric, what do you make of the comments? >> but he hasn't endorsed joe biden. at this time in 2015, there were two outsiders ahead in the polls, donald trump and ben carson, and their message was to change the complete system of obama and biden. so i think there's a lot of disarray in terms of the party on picking a candidate. at this point they're candidate shopping because joe biden was posed to be the foregone conclusion, and you've got folks like elizabeth warren that are rising in the polls, and i

believe that most moderates in the party think they cannot win in the general election. we welcome elizabeth warren if she can get there, but i think most people in the moderate party want to stay away from that type of progressive candidate in the general election. so i think that's what obama's message was, and i agree with robin, i think it was a pseudo-ene doorsment, if you will, of vice president biden. gillian: you guys agreed, so we can end the segment -- [laughter] leland: watch football, drink beer. gillian: robin, so let's talk about bloomberg for a second. >> yeah. gillian: the common kind of political analyst wisdom here in washington is that he's entering the race because he's recognized biden is newly vulnerable, is so he thinks he can kind of swoop in and pick up, you know, some moderate scheme here, or steam from moderates. is that how you see it? >> it's not just that. he's also looking at the money. joe biden just has not been raising enough money. he's got less than $10 million in his campaign coffers, donald

trump has more than $100 million in his with the rnc having hundreds of millions of dollars. so bloomberg, with his $52 billion, is looking at this like, you know, there may be some opportunity here. gillian: eric, $52 billion in his pocket, a lot of, you know, republicans are saying this is really a vanity project for him, it's not serious. if he was serious, he would have taken the steps he needed to start taking, you know, a year ago. >> well, i'm not sure about that. democrats said the same thing about donald trump when he came into the election. i think bloomberg looks at this and says joe biden has made a serious -- series of campaign gaffes. but i think bloomberg is making a calculated decision saying, look, you know, i can run to the center between elizabeth warren and joe biden, same as mayor pete is doing, and i think if joe biden tanks, not only do you see bloomberg jump into the race and be formidable, i also think

you're seeing a possibility of hillary clinton reentering the race -- gillian: we are coming up hard on a hard break, gentlemen. i'm sorry to cut in on you. we will bring both of you back very soon. stick with us, we'll be back in a moment. ♪ ♪

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telling you about. a witness described the scene as mayhem when gunshots broke out during the third quarter of the state playoff game between hampton and -- [inaudible] [background sounds] >> what you saw was a wave of people coming away from the shooting, parents holding their babies and little children so they weren't injured -- [inaudible] people running away from the shooting. and i think part of the fence was -- [inaudible] from bodies of people just going over the fence. it was just a lot of people afraid, there were kids getting separated from their parents running around on the field. >> reporter: on the other side of the country in california, the santa clarita community is still in mourning after it became the latest site of a school shooting on thursday. police say the 16-year-old student who hot five of his classmates before turning the gun on himself died friday x. after dozens of interviews, investigators are still at a loss for what was behind the

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gillian: britain's prince andrew now speaking out for the first time about his relationship with jeffrey epstein. he's saying he doesn't remember a woman who has now accused him of coercing her into having sex with him when she was only 17 years old. jacqui heinrich joining us with the latest in the saga. >> reporter: well, buckingham palace has always firmly denied prince andrew had any improper relationships with minors. in 2015 the palace called the suggestion categorically untrue, so what's interesting about this

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