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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hello america, i'm mark live in with the great devin nunes. how are you. it's great to be back on your show. >> you are the second guest originally. we've only had to guess twice, but what you're doing is very crucial to the nation. whether you can impeach a president of the united states basically for anything, let's start at the beginning. who sets american foreign
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policy for the executive branch. >> despite what this date department may think and what many congressmen and senators think, the president of the united states sets the policy. it's very clear. under article two he makes the nominations for investors, he welcomes investors from other countries, he negotiates treaties and sends them to the senate, his commander-in-chief. >> tell me if i'm right or wrong. last time i checked article two there's not a state department and there. >> that's correct. one of the points i made last week very clearly is that the president can hire and fire at any time for any reason. there is nothing in the constitution or anywhere else. the president decides who is representing him overseas. >> who is representing him overseas. let's talk about this. let's talk first about what took place wednesday. you had two witnesses.
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honest to god, i don't know why they were there. these are two long-time bureaucrats who disagree with the president's policies when it came to ukraine. they thought ukraine should get a ton of money, get it right away with no conditions. president of the united states is concerned about these corrup corrupt, not just ukraine, all over the world it's the same practice. >> the president was very clear on foreign policy, he did not like money that we were spending overseas on anything. he's very supportive of having a strong defense, but i think that made a lot of republicans, including myself back in the day, does this guy really know what's going on here, some of these global institutions like nato, they do serve a purpose, but thank god, look at what he's done. finally. what he was pointing out, nato is only paying 1% and they're
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supposed to pay 2% of gdp into the tell. guess what, now finally countries, the president is clear, he doesn't want our state department or defense department working with these european countries and others that are part of nato unless they have a plan to get 2%. this whole talk about bribery and extortion and quid pro quo, the president ran on these issues. as far as he was concerned, ukraine is a corrupt country, it's been a corrupt country, there was no signs out there and there still are very few signs that ukraine is on the mend, you essentially just had a change of a candidate supported by some oligarch and now i candidate supported by a new oligarch. it doesn't mean we aren't looking forward to helping ukraine to move into a better democratic and transparent government, but the president had every right, as a matter fact that congress actually stipulates that we can't be
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giving money to corrupt countries. the whole idea that we would be sitting in congress, going through impeachment inquiry really makes no sense. i'll just finish with the point that you talked about, bringing in these ambassadors who the president has a right to hire any time, like i just said, but these ambassadors were upset that the president somehow was going around them. well, tough. if you really look at the startling thing to me when we been sitting down for six weeks in what we call, we jokingly call the star chamber back in the basement of the capital, armed guards, two doors, all the transcripts being put into the top secret classified computer system, you can't make this up which is of course, were putting
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these depositions in for the top-secret computers. we sit back and you think about it, it's like a cult down there, and then you got all these media freaks that are sitting hundred feet outside, waiting for every word. what happened over the last few weeks, we kept coming out, saying look, we understand there's a policy disagreement, people in the state department didn't like that the president had a special envoy, he didn't like that the eu investor was going over to ukraine, they didn't like that rudy giuliani was investigating what was happening in ukraine, but tough luck. the president gets to make those calls. the democrats, the bureaucrats are trying to create the impression with the american
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people that something irregular is taking place. we have a regular channel with the policy being pushed by the bureaucrats in the state department and an irregular channel of a special envoy. now just for historical purposes, virtually every president has had special envoys using this irregular channel toward george washington had john j, one of the most famous was franklin roosevelt, i know the left likes him. he had harry hopkins who lived in the white house, negotiated for stalin and churchill and others, infuriated the bureaucracy at the state department. since the president sets foreign policy for the executive branch, don't we have this reversed? isn't the state department that's doing the irregular things when they defy a president's policy. >> not only that, you have so many problems in ukraine. the democrats hate to admit
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this, but their sources for the fusion gps company they were paying to dig up the dirt on trump that made its way into the fbi, there were ukrainian sources there. they were paying people to go into ukraine and dig up dirt. some of the start came from high-ranking ukrainian officials, allegedly. but what we do know is there was another operator out there that was working with ukrainians and the ukrainian ambassador in washington d.c. publicly trashed the trump campaign which is almost unheard of for an investor, a sitting ambassador to side with one party over another in washington d.c. now look, none of the ambassador corps just like known in the media thought president trump was going to win, but i only know of one ambassador that actually came out against the trump campaign in 2016 and that was ukrainian
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ambassador who was working very closely with dnc officials so what's just amazing is that the democrats continue to say this is some kind of conspiracy theory. >> wasn't it in politica politico and the new york times. >> it was in all the news media that they liked at the time and yes, they tried to run from that very quickly so the fact that rudy giuliani would be in ukraine were talking to ukrainians about hey, where is this dirt that's being dug up on my client. it would be dear election of rudy giuliani's response abilities as the personal attorney to the president while he's under investigation by mueller, remember we spent three years with the smaller nonsense, he had every right and response ability, i was
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also interested in ukraine as part of our investigation to pfizer abuse and other matters, we were trying to figure out where was fusion gps getting this dirt, which ones were legitimate. senator grassley was also asking for information on what were these dnc operatives doing talking to the government officials on how to that information ultimately make its way to the fbi so that he can run his investigation. these are all very important points and so the whole idea that you're going to try to impeach the president because his lawyer is trying to figure out what ukrainians were feeding dirt into the fbi, it takes a very relevant thing
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for his attorneys to be doing. in the process of all that you end up with the bidens. >> will get to that in a minute. the president of the united states reads about the stuff to in liberal news outlets. 2016 ukraine did what? the headline in politico said they tried to sabotage his campaign, their word, sabotage , by very liberal reporters including this guy kenneth who works for the new york times. the attorney general's office, the official department of justice and the u.s. attorney for connecticut are investigating this. >> the origins of the russia interference. >> yes which i thought the left and the democrats wanted to get to the bottom to but it seems like they bifurcated from collusion, which there was none, everything before and they don't want to hear about it. when you sit there day in and day out of the intelligence committee and you listen to schiff and these others trying
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to make this a scandal as in the impeachable offense against the president of the united states, this must drive you crazy. >> it's a bit like groundhog day. they switch overnight like a light switch. if republicans talk to russians, every republican had to be investigated to talk to any russian at any time. now all is done you just flip, now any republican who talk to any ukrainian at any time has to be investigated. >> i'm in trouble you know why. >> you can even make it up. my distant ancestry is ukrainian. >> i have as much to say that's relevant as the witnesses there bringing before the intelligence committee. i'm in a tell you something, i watch these witnesses, i learned a lot about the grandparents and the wives and so forth and so on, i learned
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nothing first-hand factual whatsoever, nothing. so the question becomes, when will they have any first-hand witnesses quest mark senator johnson sat in on one of these meetings. it was on this program sitting on in this chair saying the president of the united states never ever said anything like they're saying he said. he said i don't know about them, they been corrupt, i don't know about this new president, he would say the same thing whether it's nato, they need to pay up, he changes policy on north korea, he's change policy in syria, policy on the better for israel, there looking at ukrain ukraine, within 24 hours of the smaller thing being over they switch to ukraine. do you think that's part of the strategy. >> i do. i think they had been looking at this for a while, they didn't just make this about a phone call. when that a list withheld,
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that was their club that they were going to use. that was the card they decided to play and i think they were desperate. they imploded. i said this in my opening statement, they imploded in spectacular fashion without mueller report. even the left-wing media outlet were bashing them. i think to some degree they didn't want to talk about the truth which what was mueller actually doing there for two years and what really happened, who was really running the show because it was clear that mueller himself wasn't running the show. i think it was a bit of a couple cover-up to throw this thing under the rug and move on. i think there are very hard-core partisan and if you look at who some of the people we believe could be this whistleblower even though we don't know because we've never been given a name, if you look
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at some of those names they're all connected even back to the russia hoax. i think you had people who were very disappointed, very upset and on july 25 you had some but he who gets mad, calls all his buddies in the russia hoax and they concoct this scheme, they go talk to the democrats on the house intelligence committee, they then get advice, get a lawyer, go to ig, here's how will do this. if you look at the news media that's what was being written. >> i want to ask about this as soon as we have time. we'll be right back. look.
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congressman, i'm a little confused. i read this whistleblower statute, the so-called whistleblower who we can never name and we can never see testify apparently is not a whistleblower. according to the whistleblower statute he's not whistleblower. the president is not covered by whistleblower statute, the phone calls not covered by the whistleblower statute and anonymity goes to the inspector general of the intelligence community, he supposed to keep the name
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secret with two exceptions. urine and impeachment proceeding, this is the key witness that they brought forward whose name cannot be identified. the new york times knows who it is. i've said the name on my radio show. i've told this individual and my lawyer, if i'm wrong, come on until tens of millions of people that i'm wrong and you're not it, but they don't. i watch these hearings and if you even tiptoe close to using the phrase whistleblower they's shut you down. something's wrong here. >> something's really wrong. anyway, we keep bringing it up so if you really think about this for second, they're not laying any evidence on the table for impeachment, right, if they're gonna come to articles of impeachment, at some point they better come up with evidence. they won't be watching the
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show so i don't give them any advice but my advice would be they need to start laying some evidence down on actual articles of impeachment. i don't know what the hell are thinking because the whistleblower will have to come forward if they actually go through and impeach this president. there is no way they will be able to continue to hide the whistleblower. the challenge that we have is we truly don't know at the end of the day when people speculate who the whistleblower is, but until we see the actual documentation, and that person comes into the intelligence committee, there's no problem they can come in, that's why we have these private locations that we can go and meet that are secure. there's a reason we have an intelligence committee. this individual could come forward could talk to us and answer all our questions. it makes no sense. it doesn't pass any normalcy test, any type of common sense
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test that the american people are not in a by this. so do we believe that the democrats on the committee don't know the name of this person? they definitely know the name and they probably known this person for a very long time, but to keep it secret from the american people and to continue to not show evidence when you're trying to impeach the president of the united states, i just don't think this is gonna work for them. it's not going to end wellin my opinion. >> let me ask about the media. >> my favorite subject. >> yes, mine too. they printed the pentagon papers, they want to keep this from the media, they give it, it's there to keep the information from those who provide us with information. have you ever seen a situation where such a key individual in such a key event is protected
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by the media, and doesn't that demonstrate just how partisan the media has become? >> it's real evident, it's real evidence, i call them corrupt media for a reason. they have become corrupt, assassins from the left and the really stupid and bad habit to. i advise all my colleagues until there's a free and fair press in this country which we don't have right now, we shouldn't be talking to them because all it does is shows that the enemy and they are doing tremendous damage to this country. they are developing the content of which you know who this whistleblower is and in any normal situation they would be outing the whistleblower in a heartbeat,
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but likely it's even worse than that because likely many of these people have known this whistleblower for a long time because he's probably been leaking, would be my guess. if you look back on some of the names that are out there it's clear that information is coming from somewhere from within the nsc and that should be investigated and there should be an investigation. that's one of the things the president's got to do. the nfc is way too big and a lot of the problems have come in the leaks have come from within the nfc, whether it's been fake information for the russia hoax, or now this information that's likely dealing with this whistleblower if you look at one of the people who's gonna testify this next week, there's also someone who worked at the nfc, having for 500 people ther there, coming from the bureaucracy that are
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essentially, you have to imagine the people who were left over there, everyone thought clint was going to win. a lot of them have to be clinton democrats. they want to be in there. i'm sure now a lot of them are out, but that's one of the struggles that we've had dealing with republicans and we try to deal with the nfc and have a relationship there. we should be working with them closely. it's very difficult because there's a lot of partisan democrats that have burrowed their way in and it's caused a lot of problems for the president. >> when you come back i want to ask you about that phrase in the constitution, the impeachment clause what people are saying about it and what it means to you. folks, don't forget you can
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democratic lawmakers are expected to call several key witnesses to testify. that includes mr. trump's ambassador to the european union. he is considered a vital witness because he had direct conversations with the president. there's a sudden decision by iran to hike gas prices by 50%. his supreme leader warms up a potential crackdown. they support the iranian people in peaceful protesting. now back to life, liberty and levin. >> one of the interesting thing is how little the cause is discussed including the intelligence committee which must begin with intelligence. it hasn't really been discussed in the judiciary committee. when i watch legal analyst they say impeachment is whatever the house says it
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is. when we go to the framers and try them. they took a lot of time on this cause. they argued whether it ha should be high standard, low standard, leave it to election, they're not judges after all. they came up with this language. it doesn't mean what a lot of people think it means in contemporary english. a misdemeanor doesn't mean jaywalking. they looked at common law, the practice of the british parliament and the colonies and they debated and came up with the standard. treason, bribery, high crimes, misdemeanors. you would think they would figure this out. not treason, not high crime, not misdemeanor, bribery, extortion. now the american people understand extortion. i want to say this and i want your input. that's not what the framers said. the reason the word bribery is in there, it's right there in madison's notes. they were concerned a president would not be bribed
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by a foreign country, the payoffs and loyalty would be to another country. they had certain individuals during the revolutionary war who switched side. that has absolutely nothing to do with what they're talking about here in the president of the united states. no one is buying off the president. in ukraine, giving him money to buy his loyalties. what do you make of this whole area of impeachment? >> i would look at this, what do people out in real america, like your districts out there, like mine in the egg area, i think people would understand that impeachment is for something they feel is really, really bad, like a high crime so, clearly, even though nixon was not impeached there was a challenge because there was a break-in, there was something that went wrong, people could see it and they recognized a cover-up.
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it was really the cover-up because from history i don't think they knew about the initial break-in. when you look at the clinton impeachment, he had lied to a grand jury. that's pretty serious stuff. if you or i lied to a grand jury we would be in big trouble. in this case, they are manufacturing this. that's why i called it the mother of all conspiracy theories the other day. they are manufacturing a narrative out of nothing. they really have nothing because if you're going to do articles of impeachment, you have to be very, very clear about here is the law that was broken and here's all the evidence, all the first-hand witnesses that we have to go in and look at this evidence, and here's the other articles of the impeachment. that's what they should be building.
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they are not doing that and they're not going to have the support of american people for this, which is why they didn't get one republican to vote for the inquiry after they had been operating for six weeks with a phony inquiry, and look, i said this in the last segment, but they better be careful what they wish for because when it gets to the senate, if they impeach, the game is on and these people are going to have to come testify, whistleblower, adam schiff. >> do you think they will get schiff how does he decline the invitation? he is a fact witness in this. what did he or his team know and when did they know it about this whistleblower? it's really important, we have republicans in the senate who don't understand the law they voted for, this whistleblower statute was updated in the 80s and there even saying, we don't want to know who that
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is. if you have an impeachment hearing, trying to remove the president of the united states , we have an election in 11 and a half months, they're trying to remove the president of the united states during the course of the general election where they want to take the decision away from the american people and impose it on them. it was a monumental great thing to do. the constitution trumps any statute or any other so-called statutory interest. it is simply inconceivable to me that key witnesses and key information would be concealed through the course of an impeachment trial. >> right, and if you want to be, something smells about this because it's very easy,
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there was an intelligence committee for a reason in the house and senate. for something like this, if someone is holding classified information, if they were an undercover officer of some kind, which this person is not, it's easy to come down, protect the identity and give us all the information. the fact that they won't even take that little step is even more of an indication that there are problems with this whistleblower and it's why they won't bring this whistleblower forward. >> do you think in part, if you get the whistleblower you get adam schiff? he's covering the whistleblower to cover himself. >> we'll be right back. on the. my truck doesn't have that. it offers an optional technology package with up to 15 different camera views. that's quality picture. it even offers one enhanced view that makes your trailer appear invisible - to help you see what's behind you. oh, wow! which in this case happens to be the competition - since they
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they did. where is nadler. >> he's in witness protection program. i don't know where the hell he's at. we haven't seen him. >> maybe that's a good thing. anyway in the intelligence committee, a lot of dangerous things in the world. china and russia on the move, iran with th the nuclear weapons, you have all kinds of things going on. this is the epicenter in the house of representatives that is supposed to be overseeing our intelligence, the agency, law enforcement agencies and foreign policies to some extent, but nancy pelosi is undermining our ability to make sure intelligence activities are working properly, no? >> what happened here is you have a lot of their members, they are, i think, i don't want to label people, but the product of the late 60s,
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early 70s, and they have watergate fantasies. and so, when you look at the way that our intelligence committee is staffed up, i was chair, we were really focused on china and a lot of matters around the globe, they didn't staff up to monitor these intelligence agencies. they brought on people that were prepared for impeachment, so they've had these watergate fantasies for a while, and of course they were counting on mueller to really deliver the goods. so we've been having to deal with this where this has been in the impeachment committee, as a matter of fact, our first meeting when i brought the republicans in at the beginning of the year, i said guys, this, you have to
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understand, this is not going to be the intelligence committee any longer. i know it's been frustrating because we been working on the russia hoax for two years, but that dealt with d.o.j., fbi, overseas issues so we were the right place to do an investigation on that. but it just never stopped and when russia blew up in their face and they converted it over to ukraine, they said mueller just didn't describe it right. if you read the report were really going to be able to get the president. nearly all of the members on the house intelligence committee has called for impeachment over the last couple years. but i think what people should be concerned about here is that the intelligence committees were created for a reason, and that was to oversee these big bureaucracies. now, they do very dangerous work, in many cases they do very good work. they just recently have been able to track down the leader of isis and make sure he is brought to justice. that's what the american people should expect us to do,
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is to make sure we are putting the resources needed to these agencies and exactly what are the priorities of the congress, right, because we represent the people. that is not happening. i had to get my own separate briefing before the raid in syria a few weeks ago. i had to get my own separate briefing for myself and a few of the republican members because the democrats aren't having any briefings. >> oh, they're not interested in any. >> we haven't had a briefing that i can recall in the last three months maybe we have had to. we had one i can remember, we had one after the raid in syria. >> have you had any briefings without details on russia? well, russia is done. >> not that i can recall.
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>> now we've had these publicity stunts that we've done out in the open, the mueller hearing, that sort of thing, but no, we have had very few actual briefings. the republicans have to essentially do the briefings on their own. we have to call people in or go out to the agencies to get these briefings. >> but you're telling me there is not a routine scheduled briefing to say what's going on in iran or with china or russia, that sort of thing? so nobody in the house is doing it. >> no. >> that is shocking. what if we get hit again like 911 and so forth and then everybody's going to point fingers. >> yes and then they'll look at the house intelligence committee and say you weren't even brie briefed, you didn't have meeting spread on the republican side we are trying
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to do all we can do on our own but we don't control the schedule or the gavel. all we can do is get our own separate briefing. we are trying to do that as a committee, but look, this is pretty intense to turn the intelligence committee into the impeachment committee, which really should be running the judiciary committee where you have lawyers, you have precedent, you have all the right things in place in the public, but to turn a committee that supposed to be made up of members who are holding the nations most important secrets and working with patriots, really, and make sure you're holding them accountable because we are the only ones that get to see into these black books, so to speak. do not be doing that work is not only wrong, but at the end of the day it's dangerous to not have a house of representatives engaged into these agencies is how agencies go rogue. and if you recall, we had to spend, we are still spending time, we have a u.s. and attorney out of connecticut looking at the capabilities that were abused over the last
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three years, maybe longer. no one is doing that work today. >> it also strikes me as to how you put together a budget for an intelligence agency when they don't know what the hell they're doing. don't forget you can check us out on levintv most weeknights. give us a call at 844 levintv to sign up or go to blaze tv.com/mark. we'll be right back. f you have high blood pressure. most cold medicines may raise blood pressure. coricidin hbp is the... ...#1 brand that gives... powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure.
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devon nunez, during the course of the hearings the democrats have attacked you and other republicans for attacking the department of justice and fbi. how do you respond to that. >> they always do, what i said the other day, whatever they're doing they actually accuse you of doing, right, so everything they say is everything we say is always a conspiracy theory. one of the scary things is not only have they not come to terms on what they are doing in ukraine but they had democratic operatives working with ukrainians to dig up dirt on trump. they refused to acknowledge what the attorney general and the u.s. attorney out of connecticut continue to look into.
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that is fisa abuse, other matters, the origins of this russia hoax investigation that's a complete hoax. i think the book has been sitting here during the entire show, lee smith's new book, the plot against the president, the true story of how devon nunez uncovered the biggest political candle in u.s. history. >> the first time i was on the show with you this is what we were talking about. i will say that this book is what the democrats on the left, they don't want you to read this because once you read this you will understand, lee smith did a very good job and i know you featured him on your show but he did a very thorough job of covering some aspects they don't want out. one is he ties together some of our work along with some of his investigative work but still didn't really write the
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dossier, the democratic operatives were really involved. secondly, right up your alley, he weaves and how corrupt the media was and how they were in on everything. it's a real-life way to understand in modern times, how the corrupt media worked with the left, worked with the bureaucracy, and the fact that these guys refuse and still referred to it as. [inaudible] the counterintelligence agencies weren't westernized to target a political campaign is astonishing. >> isn't it also astonishing that the media has thrown in with the high levels of intelligence agencies, the highest level of the d.o.j.
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and the fbi, we used to say the media was supposed to watch government, big government, abusive government, that's part of it. it's definitely part of it, and if you remember, one of the important steps that we had a take because we were one of the few committees that had the power to do it, and that is we had to expose the counterintelligence that was occurring in the fbi. we had to put out a memo, remember that? thousands and thousands of stories and comments about how the republicans were destroying this, destroying that and what we really find out now? everything we said at that time was 100% accurate. everything the democrats and the media said at the time, one 100% inaccurate. >> the book is the plot against the president. it is a great book by lee smith. when we return, how is it that barack obama escapes all
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...ask your doctor about piqray. congressman, it's amazing that obama escapes all scrutiny, including by the media on the russia scandal. >> i don't know how he gets away with it, but frankly because what we call, jokingly called the obama dossier, he really started all of this because they were running this counterintelligence investigation into the trunk campaign. then right after the election, they decided they were going to blame fake news and of course trump took that and turned it back on them, and then they concocted the scheme to have the intelligence agencies, which only took three of them, to go out and do a special report about how the russians really wanted trump to win. that was all done in the last few waning days of the obama
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administration. so the only thing we don't know, we don't know who exactly was briefed in the white house and at what time they knew, but for sure we've got the text messages that show there was some involvement in the summer of 2016, that they knew about this counterintelligence investigation into the trunk campaign, at the end of the day it will depend on who withheld, who was held responsible by the u.s. attorney out of connecticu connecticut, if he's able to put together a criminal case or only give us all the facts. until that time it will be hard to know how deep was obama's involvement, but for sure he created the fuse and lit the match after the election and that's how we ended up and this is what we been dealing with for three years. >> i want to thank you. we wouldn't know most of what we know today if it weren't
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for you. you came under attack including attack by your colleagues in the senate. it was a disgrace. thank you very much. >> just remember if they're not attacking, were not on the right target. >> thank you. we will see you next time on life, liberty and levin. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening and welcome to the next revolution. i'm steve hilton. this is the home of positive populism. with me is katrina, rob smith, there they are and here we go. right, this week it was all public hearing. [inaudible] nothing new, what a farce. let's start by enjoying for a moment the laughable hypocrisy of the democrats last major impeachment scandal. apparently it's about bribery now. nancy pelosi said so and they all stand in line. >> to

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