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go for you? >> good. i bet you are going to get on the air a little less tomorrow. they will be an interesting week. we've got it with us set to testify this week so we will see how long this will continue, what is your prediction? >> you've got to watch. >> new year's? summer 2020? you are right on there. >> harris>> melissa: fox news a, week to call of public impeachment hearings set to kick off tomorrow, as the republicans continue to plan the process, house speaker nancy pelosi now calling on president trump to testify in person or in writing to present his case if he doesn't like what he's hearing. president trump suggesting that he's open the idea, tweeting "even though i did nothing wrong and don't like giving
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credibility to this no due process hoax, i like the idea and well in order to get congress focused again, strongly consider it. >> harris: and melissa francis coming here today my partner harris faulkner. host "kennedy" on the fox business network, capri cafaro, and in the center seat, fox news contributor, andy mccarthy. he is "outnumbered." thank you for being here, we are going to get to the couch in a minute but first we want to go live on capitol hill with the latest from all of this. >> hey, melissa. the top democrat in the senate is backing up nancy pelosi's imitation, saying if president trump doesn't like what he's hearing, he should show up before the committee and testify under oath. eight people are set to publicly testify before the house intelligence committee over the
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course of three days. we are set to hear from two people who listened in on that july phone call at the heart of the impeachment inquiry. jennifer williams, special advisor to vice president pence and lieutenant colonel alexander ben ben, our ukraine expert will testify in the morning. both testified behind closed doors. williams, according to transcripts, call the phone call inappropriate. the lieutenant colonel told lawmakers there was no doubt. arguably one of the biggest names to watch this week is the u.s. ambassador to the e.u. who is set to testify wednesday. a source close tells fox news, on friday evening, david holmes, a u.s. diplomat based at the embassy told lawmakers he overheard a phone call where president trump asked about the investigation into the bidens.
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spotted on the hill again this morning, had he backed into the classified room where we saw him go in and speak for hours to lawmakers in the basement of the capitol building. >> harris>> melissa: thank you h for that, let me bring it out to the couch. i want to look at this big picture, i heard you say the point of this is really to render the president unelectable. one thing i've heard that i think democrats are really underestimating, i've heard this from at least two dozen regular people who aren't in this every day saying this, he can't possibly win reelection now if he's being impeached and then these people are checking out, mostly democrats who aren't even -- they think, i don't have to worry about this anymore because he's being impeached, he's for sure not going to get reelected and in that sense they are losing a lot of their audience that would get fire up and go out and supported democratic candidate. one way this could really backfire that i haven't heard
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anyone else talking about. my 9-year-old at dinner last night said he can't win reelection because he's being impeached, and i said where did you hear that? all over. >> it underscores it -- impeachment is a political process even when it's done for a very good reasons. but one of the things the framers were most worried about is the idea that it could be exploited in a partisan way which is an abuse of power by the congress. the two ways i think it hurts them are not only what you are suggesting which is that it becomes the assumption out there that he can't be reelected, that will undermine the fervor to go out and work against his election. the other end of the two edged sword for the democrats is if it becomes obvious, palpable that this is a partisan political exercise masquerading as an impeachment effort, under
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circumstances where nobody actually thinks the president is going to be removed from power, nobody sensible anyway, they will be penalized for politicizing and putting the country through this process which is a very fraught to process and that was precisely why the framers made it so hard to do. >> harris: really quick, should he testify that way you saying? >> first of all, for the presidency it's a terrible idea. one of the other things the framers were worried about is that impeachment might give congress too much power over the president. they wanted the branches to be separate and defer to each other in their proper realms of responsibility. the congress has every right to do oversight over the administration and to explore executive wrongdoing. they can't call the president to testify and the president shouldn't put himself in a position to testify in proceeding that is obviously political. this is not a situation where
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it's like he's going into a court of law where there will be an impartial judge and an improper question gets asked from the beginning here. our judge will step in, this is our rancorous partisan proceeding and to have the president himself be injected to it would be bad for the country. >> harris: does that then expose them or open the door, and locked subpoenas and do whatever are they open to do what they need to do to get the law off their back? >> that's a great point, he's
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already compromised his position to argue that he's got executive privilege and a lot of this should remain confidential so he undermines that legal position and the other thing, harris, that he undermines is his position from the beginning has been that this is a clown show, a kangaroo court. to go behind and legitimize it, i don't see the point of that. >> harris: he says he's going to do that in order to get congress moving, there are hundreds of bills and melissa and i go back and forth, but nonetheless there is some kind of work getting moved on. >> let me ask a question based on logic, not that logic has anything to do with this but what is there about the mueller investigation and the president's agreement to provide written answers to the mueller investigation that makes anybody think that this would short-circuit the process? to my mind all it does is extend it. >> melissa: we are confirming this report that's been out in the past little bit that the
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house of representatives is now investigating whether president trump lied to special counsel mueller in the answers he provided in the russia investigation. capri, that gets more -- fuel on the fire to get rid of him anyway you can. do you worry about that? the people i've talked to who disengage, i don't have to worry about him anymore. >> capri: i've said this a million times, that there is investigation fatigue amongst the american public, had we started this process now on this specific and only specific issue about ukraine and quid pro quo, et cetera, maybe this process would have a little more legitimacy and a lot more attention by the american public. that's not what happened. i want to go back for a minute and address what andy was saying about whether the president should or should not testify. i will be really quick.
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obviously what we just heard about mueller, i agree with what you said as far as it eroding the institutions, i want to play devil's advocate on this and say that it might actually be helpful for president trump to testify for two reasons. as a sitting president he is not potentially an jeopardy of being charged with perjury and he ends up controlling the message entirely. the impeachment is going to be on for three days a week on television, guess who gets to own it if he shows up? president trump. >> andy: i don't think the witnesses that testified already think they on the narrative because they appeared, i think they would tell you that adam schiff owns the narrative. >> kennedy: i have to agree with capri here, the president loves to spar with these people, he would love nothing more to show the people who are so supportive of him that he is ready to go there and throw down because he believes he's innocent. it does further polarize the
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process but in a polarized environment, who wins? the chaotic candidate. the democrats have a long ways to go before they have a nominee and the longer they go the more damage they do to each other. even if you have michael bloomberg and hillary clinton entering the race it still may not be enough, used on a wound of entire field. the president, let's say he doesn't want to be president anymore, go ahead and testify. let's say he doesn't he wants a big win, he wants to show everyone he's are in command and hasn't done anything wrong, i think it's a no lose for him. >> melissa: what about this report, did he lie during the statement, the mueller investigation? >> andy: of course they are investigating that, that's been their position throughout, all they are doing it now broadcasting it as their position. at this point a lot of the things that have been kind of in the air for a long time are now being made explicit and i think
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all that's being done to do is contribute to the atmosphere around the hearing. >> harris: really quickly, kennedy, your name was set at every gathering i was at this weekend. we were covering this on friday when it happened, when there was that -- or thursday, when there was that big pop up of a tweet in the middle of the impeachment inquiry hearing, that was friday. >> kennedy: that was friday and just as adam schiff is being unprofessional and emotionally when he comes out and gives press conference and tells the world how much to say and disdain he has for the president, advertising his lack of objectivity, i don't think the president needs to react to all of this in real time. it's fine if he's watching but that could be more problematic and do much more harm than good. so i called him a big dumb baby. >> harris: hashtags everywhere. >> melissa: reaction pouring
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>> harris: it appears there is a new front runner in the nation's new caucus state. mayor pete buttigieg is holding a nine-point lead over his democratic rivals in iowa. the mayor of south bend, indiana, with a 25% support among likely caucus goers, a third in case you are wondering. elizabeth warren is second with 16%, joe biden and
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bernie sanders are tied with 15% apiece. the biden campaign texted its supporters that it is "not what we want to see." the campaign also asked for donations, saying it had to hit oh two million-dollar fund-raising goal by wednesday to invest in necessary resources. $2 million is no small change, kennedy, but bernie and maureen can do that. i don't know, joe biden? >> kennedy: bernie, warm rain, and pete buttigieg have done really well with their fund-rai. pete buttigieg, all his campaign focus has to be, "pete buttigi buttigieg, "i'm not a communist" and amy klobuchar, unfortunately her slogan is "i eat salad with a comb" and she hasn't been able to shake that. there are rational democrats
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going, this guy says the people who really needed can get it but for those who already have insurance -- >> medicare for all who want it. >> capri: i think the reason mayor pete is surging, i think there are a lot of mainstream democrats frustrated with the lurch to the left and here's someone who is outside the beltway, small town mayor in the midwest who is offering something totally different in the sense that he's not a re-trend like joe biden and a socialist like the rest of the guys. >> harris: president obama is weighing in on this. "even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality. the average american doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it," what is that code for? don't lurch to the left?
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>> andy: its code for "stay away from warren," i don't think they are worried about bernie as much. joe biden is a sinking ship, it has always seemed to be that -- >> harris: apparently you can see the ocean. >> i have seen the ocean and a sinking ship. biden was never a viable presidential candidate, he's not better now than he was then when they didn't want him -- he's never look like he's up to this and the other thing, people in the trump campaign and on the republican side and i consider myself on that side look at pete buttigieg and say "he can't win." if the 75,000 votes in five counties and three states switched over, we would not be talking about a populist
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revolution, we'd be talking about conventional person of the establishment, mrs. clinton won the expected election. >> harris: i've never seen you not like that, it's like we are at lunch having the same lovely food. >> capri: as a mainstream democrat i am frustrated by the current crop of candidates and i think joe biden has created a very -- presented himself with a very lackluster performance, i think south carolina may be the only primary that he wins in the first four contest. i think pete buttigieg is rising because at least he's presenting himself as someone who is rational and is different, like barack obama in 2008. >> harris: i want to get to a monmouth poll that shows today that his support among black voters is still at 1%. he's got some challenges. >> melissa: he's got a bunch of challenges, i thought it was
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interesting to hear somebody describe him, that his populist message is getting through. it's so trendy right now to be a populist. what does that actually mean, power to the people and democrats in all forms from pete buttigieg all the way up to the top bar against that, they are for a concentration of power in the hands are very few in washington. both power and money all controlled by washington. the opposite of what a populace is so when they try to say he is a populist base of the democrats right now which i heard at least three times today, please go back and look at your definition, there is nothing populist and democrats have nothing to do with each other. >> harris: really quickly because i brought it up, "the washington post" is reporting about that stock photo that was put out, and adverb pete buttigieg's outreach to the black community called the douglas plan and they figured out it was a contract, some kind
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of marketing firm that accidentally pulled that photo of the canyon mom and child and that's imploding out there but it's frustrating -- it frustrates things for pete buttigieg and a community where he's going to need the votes. >> kennedy: we have to not be careful not to lump an entire group of people into one monolithic group. and that's not how voters vote regardless of where they are from. if pete buttigieg really believes in this message, he has to go out and do what he's done in iowa and new hampshire and that's me people and talk to them and go to their homes and go to their community centers and sell his message and look them in the eye. >> harris: i only bring it up because it's in the headlines today. >> andy: it's to make it still goes to why people look at this and say maybe it's not ready for prime time. >> harris: a new report finds border arrests surging under president trump but deportations
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impeachment hearings. at least eight witnesses are slated to testify, the first one starting tomorrow. this has some senate republicans are weighing in on last week's testimony, reportedly saying that hearings did not move the needle and it may not be gaining much traction beyond washington. john horn and telling the hill "i just don't think a lot of my constituents are paying that much attention because they got lives to lead and other important things to do." and lisa murkowski telling "the hill" i checked the mail traffic coming in and it is not something that is occupying the waking hours of alaskans right now. i would add to this as well, firm democratic congressman about what some of his members on his side are saying come... under that. >> there is some discussion among some of them quietly, privately, of concern,
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certainly. what i'm hearing out on the street is with most people they are kind of tired and worn out, they really want to move on. unless there is something new and amazing, we know the end game here. >> melissa: capri, what about that? people are tired and they want to move on. >> capri: i think that is generally the sentiment out and most americans. not to say they are not frustrated or they don't want individuals and government to be held accountable, all of those things but i think they are waiting for the "silver bullet" and it's never come in they feel it's been two and a half, three years. but in all seriousness what i think, all that's happened up to this point is solidifying to the viewer on one side of the other, you are in those camps. with some of the testimony happening this week, individuals
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with direct knowledge maybe we will see some movement but up until this point i think what we are seeing is more solidifying. >> melissa: it feels like there's nothing new, everybody's made up their mind, everything is so incrementally not different. little nuances here or there but there's nothing new. >> andy: there's nothing new but the big problem they have is there is nothing impeachable. when you have an impeachable offense it grabs people's attention. i was struck sunday watching you some of the talk shows on the different networks and almost all of them followed the same pattern. the first segment was to talk about what was going on in impeachment. the second segment was what was going on in the democratic race and the question in the second segment was "we need to get someone who's going to be able to beat trump" which would not be a question if i thought there was anything to the impeachment
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so it's like the impeachment is this thing we have to go through but nobody thinks that trump is actually going to be removed and people are still assuming he's going to be a formidable opponent in the final election. so if that's the implicit calculus we all have, why is anybody surprised that it is in grabbing people? >> melissa: that conflicts with what people who aren't in the bubble think. i can't tell you how many people have said "there's no way he can win back time." >> harris: i was scrolling down on this new "abc news" poll, 51% of americans believe the president's actions were wrong and he should be impeached and removed from office," there isn't enough emphasis on the difference between those concepts.
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with bill clinton, he'd been impeached but he wasn't removed and he didn't resign as an extended period but i'm starting to see this convergence where they lump those things together. but what i've also noticed is that that is an indication of the averages we've seen over the last couple weeks, it's not moving all that much. i want to dig deeper, see how the questions are asked and look after last week's verse three public hearings to see what it looks like. two people in one, three people. if the talk and the evidence or whatever they are calling it is not moving the needle, we really need to drill down on how we asked the question because impeach and remove are different things. >> kennedy: if it's only about impeach and inflicting that political damage i think these democrats are squandering their focus because they do have national focus and national attention right now and if people don't say something they are going to move away.
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it's a greater likelihood people will vote against the president because they are annoyed, not because there's some big bombshell that's going to reveal something about his character that we've never known. and i think republicans in fact did themselves a favor to say something here, it wasn't right. that's not how we should be doing business, we are better than that. i think that would be okay and it's not a huge admission of guilt. >> melissa: michael bloomberg, the latest democrat to apologize for something in his past. what he's sorry for and why some democrats are not buying it. ♪ >> i got something important wrong. i got something important really wrong. i was totally focused on saving lives but as we know, good intentions aren't good enough. ♪ great presentation, tim. could you email me the part about geico making it easy to switch and save hundreds? oh yeah, sure.
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>> kennedy: former new york city mayor michael bloomberg has still not acted the 2020 race but he is acting more and more like a candidate, already opening up his wallet for a $100 million online ad blitz against president trump targeting voters in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. and it will keep burning whether or not bloomberg launches a campaign. the former mayor also appearing at a black megachurch, apologizing for his stop and frisk policy as mayor. according to policy, it was a mistake. watch. >> i didn't understand that back then, the full impact that stops were having on the black and latino communities. i was totally focused on saving lives, i now see that we could and should have acted sooner and acted faster took out the stops.
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i want you to know that i realized back then, i was wrong and i'm sorry. >> kennedy: you are shaking your head, melissa. >> melissa: in this point in time in politics there is no reward for apologizing because all you are doing is emphasizing this thing that happened in the past and putting on record that you are flip-flopping on it. that apology was so clumsy, he was focused on saving lives but now he doesn't care about saving -- there's no way this works out for him and it just shows that, in my mind, he could never be a good national candidate. even though i think actually he would be a great president. >> kennedy: he doesn't have great political instincts, he was better served in the spring when he gave this piece of advice to a couple of other presidential candidates who decided to apologize. watch it. oh, it's a quota. hello, watch me read this quote.
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bloomberg back in march slammed democrats for apologizing, saying "it's not just going to happen on a natural level for somebody like me starting where i am unless i was willing to change all my views and go on what cnn called "an apology to her." i went out and apologize for being male, over 50, white, beto apologized for being born. >> harris: look at the field and self-examination. >> andy: the thing i want to emphasize is this is not something that bloomberg when he was mayor just gave sort of a casual thought to. if i had only been better informed i would've come up with a better apology, he was all in on this, planted with both feet, talked about going to court over it, mastered the details of it,
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was absolutely right down the line in favor of this policy. >> kennedy: plenty of people were pushing back. giving him the other side. >> harris: can he really say he didn't know? >> andy: no, he got the point of view of law enforcement oriented people who were in favor of the policy, including me, i'm not saying i advised him but i was in favor, i am much more sympathetic to this policy that most people are about my point is, he studied this issue. >> capri: maybe he will be better off basically saying look, you may disagree with the policy, i understand the sensitivities and the potential violations, sensitivities amongst african-american and latino communities but on balance, at least try to explain his position. rather than explain it away and i think people like michael
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bloomberg who are outside of the conventional norms of career politicians, people like folks like bloomberg because they are more straight talking and of the second they turn into a career politician they lose that cachet amongst the american public. >> kennedy: there is a something about it, there is so much hubris, he is so full of himself. >> harris: he didn't sit down with a reporter and anchor tat we ask that question, he does it as a pronouncement and an announcement and it doesn't have that ring to it as the intimacy is such an issue, you're right, no matter how you feel about it, you and i are talking very closely with each other, if unit were shouting at me and i was shouting at you -- >> kennedy: when he was done with this speech, he said "how did i do?"
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a little too late. >> melissa: this is the exact difference between a very successful business person and a politician. as a ceo you are saying, there are downsides to both peoples backsides. that's how i call that on this day. that's what a ceo would do but as a call at dema politician going well, now i see this is the amount on this day -- the ad buy is the same kind of thing where he's getting in there, trying to put his way into the race without actually getting involved and in that sense maybe this is a move it to be vice president, be a candidate, say i'm going to be a spoiler unless somebody tells me i will get a position. >> harris: i guess the other question i would have -- >> andy: what i would team i don't understand, what is the operation of the mind i says i t
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sentence. the president also restores the rank of navy chief petty officer and eddie gallagher convicted of posing for a photograph with the body of a dead ices fighter but acquitted of murder. steve scalise is backing the president's decision. watch. >> i think morale is much higher amongst troops i've heard from because this has been a concern i've heard from our men and women in uniform for years, that they felt they were sidelined because they needed a team of attorneys before they could return fire on a battlefield. >> harris: and this response from a democratic congressman. >> this is not a question of our soldiers being constrained by lawyers on the battlefield. we seek justice and that's what we've done and of course the president has a reverse that and that sends a terrible signal to those good people in the military. >> harris: there's been a lot of reaction to this.
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>> melissa: there has and i think it's important to look at them all as individual cases, i didn't know all the details that you mentioned, clint and lawrence serving 19 years, he ordered enlisted soldiers to open fire, according to what i've read this is how his predecessor was killed was that our group came up and they were advancing on him on motorcycles and they were actually coming to try and assassinate his group. when it happened in his case, that commander who had been killed before him, the folks that were coming at them unfortunately were unarmed and it was a huge mistake and he feels terrible about it but he had reason in that moment to believe that his life in the lives of the people around him were in grave jeopardy. and he is going to serve 20 years for that terrible mistake that he regrets. to me that's a miscarriage of justice and it's unfortunate what happened. but you have to look at each case individually.
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capri? >> capri: i have two of course say i am totally disgusted by the reinstatement of whatever rank of the individual that posed with a dead body, that is absolutely unacceptable, not subbing that should be condoned and not something that should be explained away. the horrible things we saw in the context of i believe -- years ago where we had soldiers posing with dead bodies and doing terrible things, this is not the america that we should be. we have to support our men and women in uniform but we should not condone this type of behavior. there are issues of rules of engagement as i know andy had been saying earlier fair. i just -- i believe and i hate to say the same thing the other guy said, but for me this just seems like it sends a very bad message and a bad precedent. >> kennedy: a lot of these people are held to a higher standard and with good reason, we have to remember the vast
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majority of people who wear their uniform and fight to defend our freedom are very good people and perhaps some of the best among us. those who make bad decisions and to take life indiscriminately should be punished. i don't think this is going to do the president harm right now, i think there are a lot of people who support him and feel like he should have the latitude to do this and they support the decision here but i don't think -- melissa is right, you have to separate these three cases. >> harris: talk to me about the legalities of civilian versus military. >> andy: this is an iteration of a problem we had, i started in 1993 and we've been grappling with it ever since, that you have an enemy that conducts itself by melding into the civilian population and mass murdering both civilian populations and attacking western targets and they don't present as a traditional enemy
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because they meld into the population. so what we've really put our military in the position of having to do is try to fight war in a way that is not in setting with an enemy that identifies itself as the enemy. and when they are coming out our guys in the heat of the moment, you don't know if they are mass murderers or if they are just civilians. >> harris: you make the case on one of those three cases, i know you talked about eddie gallagher and we will cover the news as it happens. we will mak be right back.
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800,000 have been deported. the post also points out that isis holding the highest number of foreigners in immigration and u.s. history. what he think about this comparison of president obama? >> andy: i think there's a lot of weirdness that goes on with the numbers of how they calculated this. the calculation got changed when obama came in. a lot of what's going on with trumpets because it's being watched so carefully, and because of the executive orders that got put in place. no matter what you think of the numbers, the fact is this thing cries out for a legislative solution and it doesn't look like we are anywhere close to getting it. >> melissa: how frustrating is that? >> capri: congress needs to do its job and past comprehensive immigration reform in some way, shape, or form. detentions are getting most of the criticism by the public, because of the deplorable conditions. more so than even the deportations right now. >> melissa: kennedy? >> kennedy: hey, man, as long as we are hyper focused on impeachment, democrats don't
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have to walk and chew gum at the same time. they don't have to write immigration bills. we don't have to do anything but impeachment. i think that benefits them. it's very sad. >> harris: it's very frustrating to the american people who want to see usmca, it's just sitting there. 99% of it is agreed upon by everybody. if you don't agree to something, could you please jot it down and sent over to the other side? maybe they could work on it. that is something that would really change people's lives. at the same time, we are all getting notes about health care reenrollment. not working on that. all the things that democrats got elected on because they weren't fixed. whoever is in office bears the burden of that. nobody is working out because their focus on impeachment. what does that mean for democrats, do you think? >> andy: it's the double-edged sword we talked about. they are looking at punishing president trump politically, but if they are seen as overplaying their hand -- and for all the reasons that we just articulated, that's exactly what they are doing -- they could get hurt by this. >> melissa: andy mccarthy, thank you. thank you to the rest of the couch. and now let's send it over to
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harris faulkner. >> harris: we begin with breaking news. police have confirmed the three people have been shot and killed at a walmart in duncan oklahoma. that's about in the myers southwest of okemos city two of the victims, a man and a woman, were shot in a car. another man was in the parking lot. there are reports the shooter turned the gun on himself. we have not independently confirmed that report. we will bring you more on this breaking news story as we get it. this fox news alert, the impeachment inquiry hearings have entered a critical week. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. we are expecting eight more witnesses to testify publicly, beginning tomorrow, including three requested by republicans. and you ambassador gordon
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