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congressmen chris stewart and andy biggs are going to be here. and president obama issuing a pretty dramatic warning of his own to democrats. moderate or get out. also, the left's misplaced adulation. i reveal their top five heroes. some say they're actually zeros. speaking of zero, does colin kaepernick really actually want to be in the nfl? you won't believe the stunt he pulled this weekend and the fallout that's continuing tonight. fox sports's clay travis is here. call sets the focus of tonight's angle. you don't want to miss that. but first, a calamitous casting call. that's the focus of tonight's angle. now, i have been saying it for weeks and now we see a poll that bears it out. according to a new abc news/ipsos survey, only 21% of americans surveyed are following these impeachment hearings closely.

now, this has to rattle the democrats given how much time, how much effort and the endless media hype that surrounded this ukraine trump story. >> this is a hard topic to get your head around. how do you deal with the fact that some people aren't even watching it? this is not the kind of thing you can figure out the first time you see it. >> i know sometimes it's not easy to follow all these -- all the names in this particular saga. >> i'm not sure he knows all the names in the saga. but this does explain, does it not, why the democrats have been shifting impeachment goalposts, adding new allegations every day and launching trial balloons as they try to push this p.r,. and you can't call it anything but a desperate effort to try to excite an audience that you get the sense would rather watch disney plus than d-list witnesses in a bogus impeachment hearing. an allegation of a quid pro quo has now morphed into something much different. listen closely and watch the metamorphosis.

>> you don't need an explicit quid pro quo to betray your country. bribery requires that you are soliciting something of value. it doesn't have to be cash. it can be something of value. and clearly, this was something of great value to the president. this is a part of a pattern to intimidate witnesses, and it's also part of a pattern to obstruct. >> obstruct justice. he needs to do like story time for the kids, because he's a good story teller, maybe friday afternoon in an elementary school. and now, still not confident in their case, they're trying to resuscitate -- you guessed it. the mueller investigation. >> democrats may be looking to broaden potential articles of impeachment by investigating whether president trump lied to the special counsel robert mueller. >> president trump may have lied to special counsel robert mueller. >> he's under investigation apparently for not telling the truth under the mueller

investigation. >> ok. they are actually going back to trump's written interrogatory answers in the russia probe? this is just a complete and total sham, and most fair-minded americans know it. that's why you're seeing most people not following this. cnn sent a reporter, i love this today, to the battleground state of wisconsin, a state that remember, trump won narrowly, a lot of people were surprised by that in 2016 and they wanted to go there to test the impeachment waters. see what people thought. the folks didn't seem to actually be gung ho about much of anything in the ukraine saga. >> veteran, business owner and independent voter greg snell says he doesn't like trump but impeachment? >> i believe it's a pretty drastic step. whether i like the man or not is immaterial. impeachment is -- that's pretty drastic. >> ok. that's on cnn.

they couldn't get anyone striking up the band for impeachment. if cnn can't find someone in wisconsin, you know it's bad for the democrats. the democrats did bank, of course, on career civil servants bringing the drama in the hill hearings. got four more today. last week kent and taylor came across as amiable but kind of professorial folks and yovanovitch was just irrelevant to the underlying conduct in question. none of it worked. but you don't have to take my word for it. the television ratings from last week's performances are in and it's not pretty. 13.8 million people across multiple broadcast and cable outlets watched the first day of the hearings. that's a 19% drop from the number who watched jim comey's testimony before the senate intel committee back in june of 2017, and as joe concha notes in "the hill" it's also 1.5 million fewer than the number who tuned in to the first democratic debates which didn't have the benefit of being on most of the

major broadcast networks, and all of the cable news networks. on friday, the number declined even further, with just 12.7 million people tuning in. tuning in, a drop of more than one million viewers from wednesday. so no matter how much the democrats want you to believe otherwise, this is not the show that pelosi and schiff hoped to produce. if this were on broadway it already would have seen its final curtain call, but rather than admit this entire charade was a mistake, should have opened off, off, off broadway, democrats keep doubling down. they're asking for more investors in the show. now it's "trump must testify. if he doesn't, he's definitely guilty." >> there is no way he can take the fifth. if he takes the fifth, according to donald trump he's guilty so that's going to just backfire on donald trump. either way, donald trump is toast. >> who says fossils can't talk? it's not a white house in

crisis. you saw that banner up on all the cables over the weekend, cnn, msnbc, it's not white house in crisis, it's a pelosi-schiff-led house of representatives in crisis, it's a crisis of credibility for a party dragging the president and the nation through a needless, vindictive impeachment circus for one reason and one reason only. they do not trust the voters won't re-elect trump in november. they don't trust you. and they darn well can't debate trump on the merits of his economic policies. on his results on the economy. certainly not on china. or much of anything, for that matter. for them, impeachment is just another campaign strategy. a total travesty. now, if i were trump, i wouldn't even talk about impeachment. i wouldn't tweet about it. i wouldn't dignify it. it's not an impeachment drama. it's a comedy of constitutional errors.

you know what i would say? i would say "see you in court." or "see you at the ballot box." now, that's real drama. the type that could bring down the house. and that's "the angle." speaking of dramatics, senator lindsey graham today announced that the d.o.j. inspector general mike horowitz will testify in front of the senate judiciary committee on december 11th. meaning, his fisa abuse report is done and it will be released soon. joining me now, congressman chris stewart of the house intel committee, and congressman andy biggs of house judiciary. congressman stewart, let's start with you. what are you hearing about this report? >> like many of us, we have been waiting. we have been told it was imminent, but we have been told it was imminent for going on several months now but we believe it is close and clearly it's going to be released to be released before the december 11th deadline and i so look forward to this. after the three years of work that we've done on the house intelligence committee, the

revelations that we've brought before the american people, and they're going to be verified now, and i fully expect there will be criminal referrals from this. >> don't you worry about getting your hopes up there on the criminal referrals? i'm always thinking with republicans it's lucy and the football on "charlie brown" because every time you think we've got them now like the democrats with trump, we've got them now but they don't have trump. trump's smarter than they are. >> two things. one, this isn't lucy, this is attorney general barr committed to getting to the truth and telling the american people -- who is committed to getting to the truth and telling the american people and god bless him, he's going to be key to saving the american republic, and the second thing is we know what some of these individuals did and the sum of it was criminal and that's why i'm confident saying some people are going to be held accountable. >> the inspector general can only operate within the d.o.j., and the f.b.i. -- people misunderstand what he is actually legally entitled to do.

he can't go and run around the world and start interviewing joseph mifsud. that's for john durham. won't he drop facts at the feet of john durham to have to pursue beyond what he can do? >> that's exactly right. he's limited. we believe he's already given that information to durham and that's why durham has been around the world conducting interviews and looking for ways to resolve these issues. that's why i think chris is exactly right. you're going to see some indictments probably come out of this and for all we know they might have already convened a grand jury. >> it doesn't come out of i.g., it goes to durham, they're already pursuing the facts that have been developed by the i.g. and we don't probably expect that durham's report or conclusions are going to come out in the summer of next year. don't you expect durham's conclusions will come out long before this election season really is in its full swing? >> i would expect him to do this more of a drip and drab, when he's ready to indict somebody i would expect those to start coming out so you would see a series as opposed to -- >> that's what they did in the russia thing with manafort.

i want to talk about what nancy pelosi couldn't answer today when it came to impeachable conduct. let's watch. >> the constitution defines an impeachable offense as treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. what do you think applies to this case? >> we are unfolding the facts. that's what an inquiry is about. it's not even a decision made to impeach the president. >> do you believe that? >> of course not. of course, i don't think there is a person in america who believes that. i don't think nancy pelosi herself -- >> why is she saying that tonight? >> because it's necessary for her to say. she has to preserve this pretext of being unbiased and let's look at the evidence and then we'll decide. she decided to impeach the day before the whistleblower account was released and -- look, she said the president has betrayed his oath of office. she said the president has betrayed our national security.

and regardless her feelings, i think it's a mistake, i think she's always felt that way. >> got four witnesses tomorrow. vindman, everyone thinks he's a military guy and he's -- an impressive array of medals on his chest and it's impressive to see so apparently people are going to think no matter what he says it's going to hurt trump and it is going to be -- it's going to be good for the democrats but is it that simple? people are questioning his judgment in the transcript that was released yesterday. >> let me say i look forward to questioning him more than any other witness to date and as a former air force pilot, air force officer i know that just because you're in the military doesn't mean you're beyond reproach or question. you have to be held accountable and responsible for the comments you made, and we think we'll be able to do that tomorrow. >> congressman biggs. the drama they've tried to whip up and as you saw from the television ratings last week,

not that that's everything but it's an indication of what the public is taking in or not. what can we expect, do you think, tomorrow? we've got vindman then we've got jennifer hill of the vice president's office, she was listening in on the call, she expressed no concern, by the way, after the call wrapped, it wasn't until after the whistleblower's -- the transcript came out that anything was said by her. >> i think you're going to see continued declining ratings because this is just boring television. nobody likes to watch it. even if i were at home i would probably have it on mute, but vindman himself has so many problems as you know, you addressed with the medals or not, the fact is he basically confesses that this is a policy issue for him and not that there was any legal wrongdoing on the part of the president.

if that's the case he's just another pawn in the deep state, isn't he? >> fiona hill expressed concern about his judgment as recounted in one of the transcripts. >> as have others. >> as have others. >> laura, too, think about the viewership. you can only cry wolf so many times and eventually people quit listening. they have been crying wolf for 3 1/2 years now and i think we're seeing that eventually, people quit listening. >> i think if the president just ignored it like does a tree fall in the forest if nobody hears it? i don't think anyone cares about this. i wouldn't do a tweet-a-rama about it, i would ignore most of the noise and do the good stuff for the american people. congressmen, great seeing you tonight. house speaker nancy pelosi is daring president trump to testify in the impeachment drama. >> the president could come right before the committee and talk -- speak all the truth that he wants if he wants to -- if he wants to take the oath of office, he could do it in writing. he has every opportunity to present his case. >> that's unlikely to happen but trump said he would strongly consider submitting written testimony. joining me now alan dershowitz. harvard law professor emeritus, author of the new book "guilt by

accusation" which hits shelves tomorrow, along with bob barr. former clinton impeachment manager, republican congressman. alan, what are the potential pitfalls of the president cooperating in any way? even through written interrogatories? >> they're already going after him on one of his answers to the written interrogatories to mueller in which he said he didn't remember a conversation regarding wikileaks, and when you think it's a crime for the busiest man in the world to not remember something years later, then you know that what the democrats are planning is a perjury trap. and what is a perjury trap? it doesn't mean you have to commit perjury. you can tell the god's honest truth, but if the democrats have one person who will testify differently, then they can claim he committed perjury, and perjury is potentially a high crime and misdemeanor, so they're setting a trap for the president and i don't think he will be advised by his lawyers to go into that trap. >> why do you say strongly

consider? is that flicking off pelosi? >> look, all of my clients always want to testify but i don't let them because i tell them that better judgment prevails. they all want to testify. they want to get their story out. they want to be heard particularly if they honestly believe they're innocent. >> bob, i want to get your reaction to this new revelation about the national security council's top ukraine expert they have, alexander vindman. i just referenced this to the congressman, top n.s.c. aide tim morrison told impeachment investigators i have concern about lieutenant colonel vindman's judgment and fiona and others have concerns about alex's judgment. steve castor, g.o.p. counsel asked did anyone ever bring concerns to you that they believed colonel vindman may have leaked something? morrison answers yes. this all goes to withholding

sensitive information, leaking, perhaps, sensitive or secret information. what about this? >> this is a serious problem for adam schiff and his group of cohorts up there. obvious -- it appears to me that they didn't really vet their witnesses carefully in terms of the credibility of their witnesses. they apparently thought that simply trotting out a military officer with all sorts of ribbons on his chest would be sufficient to grant unquestioned credibility to the witness. well, that's not the case. even though this is not a legal proceeding, it is a proceeding in which the other side, the republicans, do have at least some ability as we saw last friday, for example, some ability to delve into and attack the credibility of the witnesses that the democrats bring forward, and apparently vindman

has some problems in that regard. >> i think it would be a mistake for the democrats -- for the republicans to do. vindman has a very distinguished career. he has a terrific background. and i think you can't presume that he is doing anything wrong, and i think it will backfire if they start attacking this man with an extremely high record and he's not hurting -- and he's not hurting president trump. all he's saying is that there are differences in policy. there are differences in policy. yeah. >> that's a really important point to make. i both disagree and agree with you. just because someone has admirable and maybe even heroic service in the military doesn't mean therefore everything you do after that is necessarily going to be laudable or even correct. right? >> but there is a presumption that applies when you have a long, distinguished career and it has to be overcome by considerable evidence. >> they didn't give that presumption to general flynn, did they? >> i agree with you and i attacked them for not doing that. >> i think we should take people

as they are not -- hold on, alan. the point about this is that if he -- if vindman is considered tomorrow's star witness and his colleagues -- not the committee but his colleagues question his judgment on this issue of ukraine policy, forget all the other issues, that is a legitimate point to raise. bob barr. is it not? >> certainly it is a legitimate point to raise, and the best way to do it is exactly, laura, as you have indicated. the republicans don't have to do it directly. they can do it through the words of other witnesses and other individuals who know vindman and who know the problems that he has. i'm a defense attorney as well, alan, and i see nothing wrong with attacking the credibility of a witness despite their heroism beforehand, if, in fact, it helps my client, and my client in this case would be the

president of the united states. >> but you're a jury lawyer and you know that you are taking a real risk when you try to attack somebody who has a deep record -- i agree with you, it depends on how it's done but let me just add the most dangerous thing the democrats are doing now is calling -- saying the president intimidated a witness. the president exercised his first amendment rights to do what all of us have a right to do. i have a woman who is accusing me in my book. do i not have a right to say that if she testifies and testifies falsely i hope she goes to jail? that's a dangerous thing and every civil libertarian ought to be concerned about what the democrats are doing. >> now merely defending yourself is witness intimidation. >> dangerous. >> it's ridiculous and even pelosi seemed to slightly back away from that nonsense. alan and bob, great to see you both tonight. thanks so much. coming up. the left hailing villains as heroes?

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matt schlapp and tom bevan on president obama this weekend warned the far left to knock it off. or 2020 will be a wipeout. >> joining me now, matt schlapp,

>> laura: joining me now, matt schlapp. chairman of the american conservative union and tom bevan, co-founder and president of real clear politics. matt, do warren and sanders care about what obama is saying about the electorate? do they care? does their constituency care? >> i can't believe i'm saying this but i actually don't think they do. they don't refer to obama often. >> ever. >> i don't think there is a lot of back-channelling between those operations, i think they're running as a springboard off obama's left-wing policies further to the left and obama's time has really kind of come and gone. i can't believe i'm saying that. >> tom bevan, in eight years, barack obama had a couple of supreme court justices put on the court upended our health care system. a lot happened. we did the big stimulus. lots of stuff happened. the bailouts preceding him. and now the party seems to be -- doesn't seem to love -- it's

shocking, really. it's like they're treating him like the trump people treated the bushes. >> no, you're right, remember when barack obama was running he said he wanted to fundamentally transform america. he wanted to be the liberal version of ronald reagan. what's ironic about this is that barack obama did not want joe biden to run in 2016, did not want him to run in 2020, said joe, you do not have to do this and good friends with deval patrick who just jumped in, joe biden is seen as the most moderate candidate. barack obama has not endorsed him. has not supported him in any way. that's one of the reasons that you are seeing some of these progressive candidates doing as well as they're doing. and now you've got deval patrick and michael bloomberg come in and somehow try to save the day or salvage the nomination for the moderate or centrist wing of the party. >> i don't think bernie sanders got the message about the travails of going too far left. watch.

>> when we talk about medicare for all, a-l-l, it means all, it means every man, woman and child in this country including the undocumented. >> is that too far left, matt? it's only illegal immigrants getting free access, free health care, dental, vision and everthing else they want. >> give obama some credit if you look at the polls for general election voters, an idea such as that, giving illegal aliens free health care -- very unpopular with people who are going to vote in the general election. i give obama credit for saying that. >> look at the john bel edwards race in louisiana. people think this is terrible for trump. it's just like in kentucky where almost every other major race goes republican. it was a huge series of wins for republicans. they upped their majority,

right, tom bevan, in the state legislature, but you've got a pro-life, pro-gun democrat in louisiana who beats kind of an average, not stellar, not terrible candidate for the republican party. >> no, that's right. i wouldn't read too much into either one of these races. we try to do that. we tend to do that. but matt bevin was in trouble before, wasn't well liked and as you said, all the other republicans did well and democrats -- john bel edwards is a different kind of democrats. democrats at the national level are not going to nominate, i don't think there is a pro-life candidate running in the race let alone a pro gun candidate. that is unique to louisiana and is not going to be part of the 2020 mix at all. >> pete buttigieg is now up nine points in iowa. he's the mayor of south bend, indiana, which has had lots of issues. african-americans there not happy with him in many ways. raymond arroyo did an amazing piece on this a month or so ago, but this new poll shows him surging, and what does that mean, matt schlapp? this guy isn't necessarily very

popular in his own mid sized, small city? >> i spent time in south bend and there is no question that mayor pete is not an overly popular mayor and not popular with african-american voters which is a big issue for him but not so much in iowa where the electorate is more white, and let's face it, when candidates win iowa they tend to get the nomination. this is a big development in this race. >> i remember, tom, 2008 i was in the iowa caucuses and i was in one of the rooms for hillary clinton and i was in another room for barack obama, and the hillary clinton room was really quiet, kind of boring. i walked down the hallway at the des moines high school with my friend debbie, we walked down there and the obama room was like -- comparing it to the trump rally, a mini-rally, and we walked out and we were like it's obama's, he's got this. no problem whatsoever. could that carry buttigieg the entire election?

just one race? is it different this time? >> i'm not sure. i don't know. certainly -- part of the problem for buttigieg -- more broadly speaking i think this race, buttigieg leading in iowa, warren leading in new hampshire, you've got biden holding onto a lead in south carolina so i think there is a lot of fluidity left in this race, but the problem for buttigieg right now, iowa is all about expectations. you either beat expectations and that's the story, or you underperform expectations and that's the story, and right now pete buttigieg -- it's great for him that he surged 16 points and is leading by nine in iowa, we're 70 days away from the vote and he's the leader. if he doesn't win iowa the story is going to be how he lost the lead and that won't be good for his campaign. >> there is a piece out today about -- we'll put it up on the screen -- urging kamala harris to drop out of the race in california. it's time to step out. she's not going anywhere. why do people hang on? it's like people who should

retire and don't. like, go out with some -- i don't know dignity, but is it just you have nothing better to do or what? >> first of all i thought she already had. >> laura: you never hear from her. >> the second thing that's always put out there but sflnt true is that oh, there is so much time left. anything can happen. no, that's not true. the fact is seven out of the last nine democrats who won iowa went on to get the nomination, if you win the early states you get so much money and momentum it's hard to stop them. i'm not saying mayor pete has the nomination but i'm saying whoever wins in these early states, that's who the democrat nominee is going to be. >> laura: tom bevan. >> remember when rudy giuliani thought he was going to wait until florida? >> the charlie -- >> was that 2012? he was going to wait and come in, like spring in when he was going to run for president? that didn't work. >> no. >> that's the michael bloomberg strategy. just wait. i'm not going to participate in

any of these early states. it didn't work for rudy. it's not going to work for bloomberg. >> it's great to see both of you. the left might not cling to religion but they still anoint their saints. >> dinesh d'souza explains what that means when we come back. stay there. 9d

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>> laura: so democrats are busy trying to sell impeachment to a yawning audience. as i pointed out in "the angle" it's a heavy lift which is why the left is trying to anoint heroes to drive the narrative for them. now, these aren't the heroes that a lot of americans think of when they think of heroes like firefighters or folks in the military service. police. no, no, no. the left's heroes are based in things like victimhood or just their opposition to president trump. here is our list of the left's top five heroes. number one. a former ukraine ambassador who is mad because she got fired.

>> this state department hero -- and she's standing up as like the only tree in the forest still standing against all this sleeze. >> a hero to me and most americans today. >> startling profile in courage. >> well, over the weekend, we thought a lot about this and i think leftist hero number two just because it's back in the news, kavanaugh accuser christine blasey ford. >> i did one thing, and when i came forward last september i did not feel courage. i was simply doing my duty as a citizen. i thought anyone in my position of course would do the same thing. i have the example of anita hill. i had a responsibility to my country. >> laura: over the weekend the aclu gave her its hero award.

joining me now, dinesh d'souza, conservative author and film maker. dinesh, i'll have my others on the list of heroes but who tops your list today? we'll trade. >> well, i like your list. in fact, christine ford -- i had completely forgotten that infantile rhetoric and it's back. the middle-aged woman with the voice of a four-year-old. but yes, my top of my list, probably alex vindman who is going to be testifying very shortly. and as you said earlier in the show, the policy disagreement here can be easily excavated from his own remark when he said what disturbed him about trump and about the phone call is that it would undermine bipartisan support for the ukraine so the policy disagreement is really simple. vindman seems to have a ukraine first policy and trump has an america first policy so he's being elevated as a hero. i would also put on my list --

who can forget adam schiff. i think schiff is a hero because he's the perfect sort of setup man. he sets up a scandal. he plants the evidence. then he becomes the detective who goes and finds the evidence. then he becomes the judge who conducts the hearings and rigs the process. and finally, he declares the verdict. his skill at performing all these roles simultaneously with the same straight face -- this is kind of an achievement, so those are two are my candidates. i could go on to ilhan omar but i start with those two. >> ilhan omar is a good one. let's go back to my list. number three on my list is someone who bravely kicked off the impeachment frenzy with an anonymous complaint. >> i believe this is a career service employee, a public servant. i consider him or her a patriot. >> i think there is going to be a wave of patriotic americans

who start coming forward. >> the whistleblower has great risk associated with his life right now. >> dinesh, first of all, how do we know it's a whistleblower? because the i.g. said so? who gets to ever -- you never get to question the i.g., really. you can't appeal a decision by the i.g. to declare someone a whistleblower, but adam schiff claimed he didn't even know who the whistleblower was. obviously, lying last week. is that really a hero? i guess for the left. >> well, he's a hero to the left because look, what's interesting to me is that both the russia collusion investigation and the ukraine investigation both began under extremely cloudy circumstances. they both began with sort of a mystical process, and apparently tampered with evidence. dirty hands at the very beginning of it. and then suddenly the media as well as the people who are

orchestrating the investigation go, oh, no, we don't have to be concerned about how his got started, never mind all that, let's just focus on what we have in front of us. a kind of parallel scamming going on both with russia collusion and now with the ukraine. >> dinesh, number four on the list of leftist heroes, this is kind of off the impeachment deal for a moment but it's stacy abrams, self-proclaimed winner of last year's georgia governor's race despite actually losing by just a mere 50,000 votes. >> we saw what happened in georgia where stacy abrams should be governor of that state. >> the racially motivated patterns of voter suppression that are responsible, i think, for the fact that stacy abrams is not the governor of georgia right now. >> without voter suppression, stacy abrams would be the governor of georgia. >> i don't know why she changed her accent when she said governor of georgia. isn't it odd?

they used to say that trump wasn't going to accept the election results if he lost, but they haven't accepted trump or any democrat's loss, pretty much, if it comes within 100,000 votes. >> you know, i think that stacy abrams, and earlier, of course, i mentioned ilhan omar, these people are protected on the left no matter what absurd things they say. no matter what preposterous scandals they get involved in. the reason they are protected is that they represent something very important to the contemporary left. the marriage of left wing social xhek socialism with identity politics. so in a sense when you have not just the rhetoric of the rich and the poor but you're black, you're a woman, in ilhan's case you're also a muslim, you're a woman from the desert, from somalia, you become untouchable. the left cannot drop you.

cannot go after you. that's what we're seeing here. the elevation ultimately of the ultimate victim. >> do you agree with me, dinesh, on a separate issue that speaking of a member of the squad a.o.c. really is the thought leader of the democratic party? no one comes close to her. she's issuing policies and proclamations and very expansive government programs. she's pushing now for drug legalization. kind of across the board. decriminalizing all drug convictions. most of them, i think. i'm half expecting in six months most people -- maybe not biden because he's against that but most of the democrats will be like that sounds good to us. >> i mean, look at the way in which the socialist agenda although it's in a sense confined strictly speaking to four people, look at the kind of force it exercises on the democratic party. it becomes almost impossible to be against it. you always have to be more to the left than the next guy, and so there is a kind of automatic pressure pulling the mainstream of the democratic party, at least the democrat candidates to the left in that direction.

>> laura: obama is out of the party now. he's basically out. dinesh, great to see you. coming up social justice warrior colin kaepernick versus rapper kanye west. clay travis explains why these two very controversial men take different approaches to life and what it all means. next. - 10 years ago, we started legacybox. if you're like us, you have a box of old video tapes, film reels, and photos, just degrading away in your closet. - [nick] legacybox saves these memories by professionally

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>> laura: this is a fox news alert. there are several big developments in the jeffrey epstein death investigation. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher is live in our west coast newsroom with the late breaking details. trace. >> hi, laura. abc news has said very little about this matter, now it appears the network will have to explain why it decided not to run a story concerning convicted

child sex offender jeffrey epstein. house minority leader kevin mccarthy and other top republicans sent a letter to the network demanding answers. the story got out when someone leaked hot-mic video of abc anchor amy robach complaining that higher-ups at her network killed the story, specifically that abc news refused to air an interview she conducted with one of epstein's victims. >> i tried for three years to get it on to no avail, and now it's coming out, these new revelations and i freaking had all of it, i am so pissed now. >> so now kevin mccarthy is asking abc to provide, among other things, the interview robach conducted with the victim, information about who decided not to run the story and why, and exactly what outside forces amy robach was referring to as potentially being responsible for the story not running. meantime, separately, the two jail guards who failed to check on jeffrey epstein the night of his death could now face criminal charges for falsifying

prison documents. the guards were supposed to check on epstein every 30 minutes, but there are reports that one or both of them fell asleep and then doctored the logs. both guards were already offered a plea deal but turned them down. bureau of prison's chief will now face questions on capitol hill tomorrow. laura. >> trace, thanks so much tonight. and now to two controversial figures who have very different approaches to life. first is unemployed nfl quarterback colin kaepernick, who pulled the rug out from under a special try-out that the nfl was going to hold for him over the weekend. >> i been ready for three years. i been denied for three years. we have nothing to hide. so we're waiting for the 32 owners and 32 teams, roger goodell, all of them to stop running. >> meanwhile, kanye west held a massive, boisterous sunday church service in texas with tele-evangelist joel osteen.

>> sing for the lord, produce for the lord. every song, every single millisecond be in service to god. >> number one album in the country, his gospel album. joining me now is clay travis, host of "outkick the coverage" on fox sports radio. >> laura: clay. i have to get first to this kaepernick thing because it is like -- i said this earlier, though, in relation to what's going on with this ridiculous ukraine impeachment deal but it's like lucy and the football but the nfl is charlie brown. with this kaepernick situation. tell us what happened. >> well, this is just so ridiculous. the nfl finally said to colin kaepernick, "hey, we're going to set up an unbelievable job interview for you, and one that

makes a lot of sense, and i can't believe colin kaepernick wasn't on your list of left-wing heroes. >> good point. >> in a world of sports. brought to bear by colin kaepernick that if they were interested in hiring him, potentially as their back-up quarterback, if they brought him in to their facility and then didn't offer him a job they would get crushed on both sides, right? everybody who loves kaepernick would be up for him so the nfl sets up this perfect theory where they're going to bring all the teams in who are interested in him, allow him to work out at the atlanta falcons facility, unprecedented, and colin kaepernick won't do it because he's worried about some sort of legal maneuver there. he has to sign a waiver. >> do you believe any -- i can't believe clay travis who is like one of the most brilliant people on sports, you're saying he's not doing it because of a

waiver? >> no, i don't believe that at all. >> hold on. i want to tell you. i want to play what stephen a. smith said. >> you don't want to work. you just want to make noise. you want to control the narrative. it's over. colin kaepernick's aspiration in the nfl. for an nfl career. it's over. >> he was ranting before that. it was actually pretty good. >> stephen a is right. they were. what happened was colin kaepernick wanted to work on an ad for nike. he wants to be a martyr. he wants to win the social justice warrior victim brigade and this was an opportunity for the nfl through jay-z, through everybody else to give him a

chance to prove that he deserves to be in the league and the truth is this, laura, the minute he signs and stands on the sideline during a game and isn't playing he becomes utterly irrelevant. he and his advisors know this so they crafted this scenario where he could get out of it. >> kanye west, meanwhile, is reviled. we're not going to play the sound bite because we're out of time but he goes to texas and has a massive turnout and is like the number one album in the country and he says i'm changing. i'm changing my approach to things. this is an interesting study in contrast. clay, great to see you tonight as always and a special announcement about this show when we come back. always. in a special ..

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>> laura: don't >> an important note about the show. the senior producer here on the intermingle has been with us for

years and done some of the greatest work we have done over the last year. in chicago, at the border. at the indiana women's prison. it does incredible longform production and we are going to miss her a lot. today is the last day. good luck. that is all-time we have tonight. mike emanuel, fox news and mate team, take it from here. >> the pressure is on for answers, what happened to jeffrey epstein and the convicted sex offender, the federal bureau of prisons taking the hot seat on capitol hill. lawmakers likely to press for answers how he died despite supervision of prison guards and republicans demanding abc explain what happened with the story on epstein, the royalton former president bill clinton. pete buttigie