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jillian: good morning, welcome back. a speeding training car stuck on the tracks. incredible moment caught on police dash camera amtrak train hits the car on the tracks seconding it flying right into the parked cop car. this is in new jersey. you can see officers taking cover as debris flies through the air. no one in the car on the tracks, no one was in the car on the tracks and incredibly no one was hurt. thankfully, my goodness, a nearly 20 year police veteran is stopped at universal orlando for wearing this shirt. you see it right there. security telling vincent champion that he is change his retired police officer shirt in order to get in. >> i don't understand why it's happening. i have never been, you know, treated that way or anything before. two people stopped and tapped me on the shoulder and shook my hand and thanked my for my service. jillian: universal orlando apologized. the company says they want guests to easily identify

active law enforcement and that the shirt could have caused confusion. he eventually was allowed to enter the park with the shirt. you hear too many of those stories these days. brian: testimony from ambassador gordon sondland said president trump told him among the many things he said he wanted no quid pro quo. >> i just asked him an open-ended question, mr. chairman, what do you want from ukraine? i keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that what do you want? and it was a very short, abrupt conversation. he was not in a good mood. and he just said "i want nothing. i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. tell zelensky to do the right thing." ainsley: president said he is always in a good mood and he said this all over. so do democrats still have a case? steve: here with perspective fox news senior judicial analyst and host of liberty file on fox nation judge

andrew napolitano. so, judge, he was the democrats' big witness and he made it very clear what the president told him. >> i think the democrats do still have a case. one would expect the president in september, after the whistleblower's allegations came out, after the president was accused of a quid pro quo, to say no quid pro quo. here we go with the latin again. but it is clear from what ambassador sondland testified yesterday that there was an understanding that the president wanted some things from the ukrainians. steve: judge, he said he presumed. >> there is a lot of evidence in which you can base the presumption. steve: he didn't hear the president say it. he said i presume. >> correct. correct. he also said mike pompeo knew it. brian: he said perry. >> rick perry new it, mic mulvaney knew it. when allegations like that are made, and the committee subpoenas those people, and they don't show, for whatever reason, the committee can infer that

their testimony would be consistent with the ambassador's. steve: that's an article of impeachment? >> yes. so the ambassador is not a never trumper. he is not a democrat. he's not somebody wanting to disrupt. this the guy has given a million dollars to the republican party and the most important trump nominated ambassador in europe. and he's saying this is what happened. the president wanted an announcement about burisma he didn't care if there was an investigation. he just wanted the announcement so he could use it. and we know that the money was held up for 55 days. the president didn't tell me that. because the president doesn't say those things. steve: talk to rudy. >> he communicates through rudy. because the president knows from years when he did that here communicate through the lawyer that there is no attorney-client privilege in impeachment. that's why rudy won't testify. brian: what's to be worried about if you are the president or you are adam schiff with fiona hill today? >> again, how many people in

the permanent people in the administration knew about it? like last night we learned from a deputy assistant secretary of defense that the ukrainians began asking what's the holdup the day of the day of the conversation with president zelensky. that's an entirely different narrative than the one the president's people have been giving us for the past few months. brian: zelensky and the foreign minister said they didn't know it was held up. steve: could be a coincidence it was that day. >> i think more is to come. all the best, guys. ainsley: what are voters saying this morning about the fifth democratic debate? steve: todd piro is having breakfast with friends. we're going to check in with him coming up next in georgia. ainsley: good crowd. ♪ ♪ freedom freedom ♪ of a friendly gaze

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steve: democratic hopefuls use the debate stage to push their healthcare and climate change and things like that. what do you think? ainsley: todd piro is getting reaction from a diner in georgia and he joins us now. hey, todd. todd: hey, who watched last night? [cheers] >> who thought there was a clean winner? [chanting trump] todd: with that we begin with marcia, you said there was no winner, why? >> because we are not in a personality contest. we are choosing the president and there is no one who can beat this president's accomplishment. the best economy in the world so, who can beat that? todd: marcia, thank you. adele, who was your winner and why? >> tulsi gabbard stood out to me. she didn't speak the usual

lines that everybody else did. she had her own thoughts. todd: appreciate it. thank you very much, adele. michael, who was your loser and why? >> i think senator warren, her medicare for all for free. give me a break. that's going to cost a lot of money. that will make america poor again. todd: michael, thank you. most interesting answers these two alicia and sally, you thought there should be more impeachment talk. more? why? >> absolutely. because we have already had numerous presidents who have already withheld funds before. so why are we impeaching this one and not going back and impeaching the others? the more they talk about impeachment the more trump is the man to do the job and represent the american people. todd: ladies, thank you. we end with rick. take us home. you say you have debate fatigue, why? >> that is correct. too scripted. they don't say anything important anyway and they have too many pie in the sky programs they want to implement. todd: there we go the marietta, diner, amazing answers. for thousand back to steve, ainsley and brian in new

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♪ >> she supported the terrible war in iraq and i help lead the opposition against it. >> commander-in-chief no time for on-the-job training. i have spent more time in the situation room. more time abroad, more time than anybody up here. >> i also have actually done this work. i think experience should matter. >> washington experience is not the only experience that

matters. more than 100 years of washington experience on this stage and where are we right now as a country? >> i think the most recent example of your inexperience in national security in attorney policy came from your recent careless statement about how you, as president, would be willing to send our troops to mexico. >> that is outlandish even by the standards of today's politics. >> are you saying that you didn't say that. >> you seriously think anybody on this stage is proposing invading mexico? >> that's not what i said. that's not what i said. that's not what i said. steve: they had democrats on stage last night at the tyler perry studios outside atlanta in the oprah winfrey sound stage. one of them will be the democrats' nominee. who will it be? we are just 75 days before the iowa caucus. ainsley: right around the corner. let's bring in newt

gingrich, former speak of the house, fox news contributor and writes a free newsletter available at gingrich 360.com. good morning, mr. speaker. >> good morning. how are you doing? ainsley: winners and losers from last night? >> i think buttigieg was a winner because he is surging and despite tulsi gabbard's best efforts, i don't think thee seriously damaged him. i think, first of all the big loser is the democratic party. the number one reality about these debates is they are boring. standard politicians saying standard things what made the republican debates in 2016 so different they were a reality show with donald trump and people watched them because you didn't know what trump was going to do. steve: yeah. >> trump didn't know what he was going to do. [laughter] and they had a quality of being alive. if you watch these folks, they are going through their numbers, they are saying what they say. they are -- this have been coached and consulted. they have been focus group.

as folks in atlanta said it earlier and on your show, it's staged and boring. and it doesn't get at the real life. i think combined with how boring the impeachments are, the democrats are working very hard to become the boring party. and that's dangerous when you are up against a president who, you know, has spent 13 years in reality television. steve: tv performer indeed. newt, can you just explain, we're going to have more highlights and low lights from last night in the debate later. but can you explain why mayor pete is surging? >> i think because he is not the others. i think a lot of democrats who look up and they go not sanders again. and then i think there is a brief period where elizabeth warren was really gaining momentum until people realized that she actually wanted to take away their health insurance. at that point medicare for all became a disaster and dragging her down ever since she explained it. steve: right.

>> i think that biden is biden. if you really think -- i mean, look at the clip you had a minute ago. if you really think that telling people you spent 8 years in the white house in washington is a big winner, then you represent a very small part of america. most of america wants to change washington not hire somebody who is an expert in washington. that's a as sure for the democrats as it was in 2016 for republicans. every time republicans would say i have been a governor and senator and people would say i thought. so and they would write them off and left trump. no natural trump and buttigieg comes as close to being a total outsider as anybody on the stage. brian: real quick, i want to get to the sparring session. i want to ask you, when you begin to drop and you don't make that stage and two more people deval patrick and mike bloomberg who are going to come well-financed and backed to get there how much longer do you stay in?

it's already too many people. six that didn't make the cut. you know what it's like to be high and you know what it's like to drop. what is going to decide when these people drop out? >> let me say, first of all, in the periods where i was the frontrunner, it felt much better than when i was dropping. [laughter] steve: no kidding. >> i mean, it's a very -- it's a remarkably human process. you are there and your supporters are there and you think and here's the challenge. if they drop out, they are gone, it's over. they have this sense of oh well maybe the next debate. tulsi gabbard is a good example. i think she has done very, very well. she is an outlier for the democrats very hard to get above 4% or 5%. she is very good on the stage. by contrast to migrate shock as you will remember 8 or 9 months ago i was on this show i thought kamala harris was the most likely nominee. she has been such a bad candidate. brian: yeah. >> that every time she shows up on the stage she drops more. ainsley: yeah. >> i think it's very hard for them.

i would also say, this it's getting very late for newcomers. bloomberg and deval patrick are both going to find that there are states they can't get on the ballot anymore. there are situations they can't get organized. now bloomberg has so much money that he can probably mount a national campaign just by shear weight of money. but whether or not he will spend thatch money, it would take a billion dollars to prop up bloomberg. brian: you were just talking about tulsi gabbard. kamala harris has never recovered from the sparring session they had earlier. she tried to draw blood here. let's listen. >> i think that it's unfortunate that we have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the democratic nominee for president of the united states who during the obama administration spent four years full time on fox news criticizing president obama. who spent full time. >> that's ridiculous. >> spent full time criticizing people on this stage as affiliated with the

democratic party. >> senator harris is doing is unfortunately continuing to traffic in lies and smears and innuendos because she cannot challenge the substance of the argument that i am making. the leadership and the change that i'm seeking to bring in our foreign policy, which only makes me guess that she will, as president, continue the status quo. ainsley: why would harris waste her time going after gabby instead of someone who is a frontrunner? it sounds like they had bad blood previous to this. >> this is very personal. i think harris is really upset -- gabbard in many ways is the beginning of the end of the harris candidacy and was so effective that harris never recovered. and i think she just couldn't help herself. politics at one level is not theoretical discipline. it's very personal human beings. it's egos, it's passion. one of the reasons i happen

to like tulsi gabbard a lot which won't help her at all in the democratic party. if you watch, she has a great smile. she looks totally self-contained. harris looks like she is struggling and attacking. and gabbard just kind of pleasantly smiling. i think as a veteran in the military, she has a sense of the real world that harris does not have. and i think it's hard for her to get through in the democratic party. but, a lot of her message of change is much closer to where the voter is than the message of continuity that let's say biden is carrying out. ainsley: it's interesting harris was criticizing her for going on fox news she after the debate interviewed with your son, right, on fox news. brian: how dare she. pete: it will be interesting to see if any of last night's festivities moved the needle. some people watch the marathon impeachment inquiry yesterday for folks who missed it. here is the lineup we talked about it earlier.

later today fiona hill is going to be testifying at 9:00 two hours from now. she had a problem with the investigations. and david holmes will be on the daondeist as well. here are. so highlights with the ambassador. >> did the president ever tell you personally about any preconditions for anything? >> no. >> no one on this planet told you that donald trump was tying this aid to the investigations because if your answer is yes, then the chairman is wrong and the headline on cnn is wrong. no one on this planet told you that president trump was tying aid to investigations yes or no? >> yes. >> you said to the president of the united states what do you want from ukraine? the president: i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo, i want zelensky to do the right thing. i want him to do what he ran on. why didn't you put that

statement in your opening statement? i think you said you couldn't fit it in; is that right? that we might be here for 46 minutes instead of 45 minutes. >> it wasn't purposeful. trust me. >> it wasn't purposeful? >> no. >> couldn't fit it in a 23 page opener? what they are referring to is the fact in opening statement he said was there quid pro quo with regard to a white house call and white house meeting and he said yes. it wasn't about military aid. he later said he presumed there was. so what happened yesterday, newt. analyze his testimony. >> well, there are two problems for what this is like other than the fact that schiff is a title liar and a disgrace to the country. steve: how do you really feel? brian: i digress. >> you watch schiff for a little while, it is truly appalling how deeply dishonest he is. for example, he claims he doesn't know who the whistleblower is.

while is he trying to protect the whistleblower but how can he protect him if he doesn't know who he is. you just watch the stuff that schiff does. eye digress. the challenge the democrats have is not proving that there is confusion, not proving professional diplomats didn't agree with the president and that's what a lot of this is. a lot of this is well-trained deeply serious professional diplomats who had one idea of policy and a president who had a different idea of policy. and so you get him in there and they will say things. the challenge for the democrats is any of this serious enough to justify impeaching a president of the united states who after all got 63 million votes? i think the answer is going to be no. the democrats are going to, i think, lock step go ahead and pass the impeachment because they are afraid of their own base. you know, then go to the senate where i think it will become very embarrassing for the democrats. and i think in the end nothing will happen. but, all of this doesn't

rise to the standard of a serious crime. it doesn't rise to the standard of getting rid of the president. and i think that's their challenge. steve: well, our special coverage is going to start an hour and 20 minutes from right now. newt gingrich, joining from us palm beach florida, thank you very much. brian: thanks, newt. i haven't heard of a single republican that have said after this so far i'm flipping. steve: senator. brian: or congressman. i haven't seen a republican congressman say it either. steve: 7:11 now in new york city. jillian, good morning. jillian: good morning. we begin right now with a fox news alert. a police officer is shot and killed responding to a home indication call in detroit. the suspect hitting the unidentified officer in the neck. the 18-year veteran is the 37th officer shot and killed on the job this year. is he being remembered for his service. >> we lost a hero. these nights are the worst part of the job for the chief and me. >> he fought a good fight. they knew that he had made the ultimate sacrifice.

jillian: another officer was shot in the leg. the suspect was also shot and arrested. an american and australian professor held hostage by the taliban for three years are now in germany. u.s. ambassador to germany richard grenell told us earlier about his emotional meeting with the american kevin king. >> i say we never forgot about you. the american people have been praying for you, thinking about you, and we wanted you home. for him to look me in the eye and say i have to tell you, i know that and that is what sustained me all these years. and to hear that is pretty -- jillian: king and timothy weeks released earlier this week as part of a prisoner swap. an unforgettable hockey homecoming for american hero. >> [inaudible] who has just

returned home. [cheers and applause] jillian: look at that embrace. ian buck surprising his 10-year-old son at last night's new york ranger's game. buck has been deployed to afghanistan and hadn't seen his son for a year. steve: always gets you. jillian: i know. every time. brian: hockey is as patriotic as it gets. meanwhile president trump restored eddie gallagher's rank after his trial. now the navy is trying to take his trident pen away. steve: calls it retaliation. he joins us live next. billions of mouths.

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wick back meanwhile navy seal he had guy gallagher had his rank restored thanks to president trump. military admiral is launching a review to strip gallagher of trident pin awarded to seals enforce good order and discipline. next guest says this is retailation by the navy: so, you think this is personal, don't you? >> absolutely. brian: why. >> this is action they could have taken from july after the verdict until today. instead the admiral decided president trump takes action on a friday afternoon, monday mornings the admiral comes, in brings everybody

together and says i disagree with the president, we are going to take his trident. >> bruno brian what does it mean personal pride having earned that and they want to take it away? is this a money thing? >> it is but not too much. it doesn't really affect his pension it would affect his pay slightly for whatever time he has left before he retires, this is a procedure that is in place for people that have going to be continuing on in the navy to actually remove them from the seal teams committed major safety violations. you can't be a seal anymore. send you out to a ship. the instruction even says this is not the proper procedure for somebody that's getting out of the navy entirely or should be pushed out of the navy entirely. so what he is doing here is really just an effort to try to publicly humiliate chief gallagher and stick it in the president's eye. brian: it was explained to me, stop me if i am wrong. >> sure. brian: his peers is going to judge him and focus taking

the picture with a dead terrorist. so, if it's his peers, is that okay with you? >> the problem is that the peers are ones that are hand-selected ey by the admiral whatever they recommend the admiral can disregard, it's window dressing the admiral has decided what he wants to do and just have people stand up and put the window dressing on it. if the admiral really wants to do this, he shouldn't try to put people in the middle to put the blame on them. he shouldn't be a coward like that. he should stand up and do it himself. brian: we know the positive part about what the president did for eddie gallagher. the negative, is this the worst of it? are you getting blow back within military circles? >> not really. not at all. you know, there has been some who say that he shouldn't have his rank restored but all of them cite reasons to show that they haven't paid any attention to the case whatsoever. his rank was taken away for something that nobody else

in the history of the seal teams or the military has ever had general court-martial conviction for a photo like this. one of the things that we intend to bring out through this process is how many officers who serve on admiral green's staff, how many officers and senior seals are there out there that also have photos like this? if you want to enforce this standard, you are going to do it -- teams. brian: absolutely. tim parlatore great work. we will see what happens now. i hope they vote to let him keep his trident and we can move on. thanks so much. >> thank you. brian: we reached tout to the navy but we did not hear back. meanwhile, straight ahead, we change gears. let's talk a little politics. elizabeth warren declaring war on the wealthy at last night's debate. >> i'm tired of free loading billionaires. i think it's time that we ask those at the very top to pay more. brian: right, free loading billionaires. i can't stand it. is that the winning strategy? two former advisors to

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pnc bank they are tally up the bill for all of those birds and drummers and drumming and, yes, those five golden rings. down to you, steve. steve: all right. thank you, ainsley. democratic hopeful elizabeth warren right there taking aim at america's wealthy while defending her plan to to tax their wealth. >> top 1% of they will pay 3.2% in america. i'm tired of free loading billionaires. i think it's time that we ask those at the very top to pay more. steve: free loading billionaires. here to discuss we have got fox news contributor and former economic advisor to president obama robert wolf who has met with more than half of the 2020 candidates. and don peebles, a two-time member of president obama's national finance committee. guys, thank you very much for staying up late last night to watch those debates so we didn't have to. don, who is the big winner last night, if one at all? >> i think that warren held

her own and biden it was his best night yet. i think biden had a good night. and cory booker emerged as a more of a participant in the debate and hopefully his vision is going to be somewhat contagious and people will rant to it more. >> all right. robert? >> i say it was a great night for cory booker and amy klobuchar and kamala had a strong performance they needed it because they are not frontrunner. four frontrunners held their own and did what they needed to do. mayor pete would have been the circular fire squad going at him and they didn't. steve: you mentioned mayor pete here is he talking about medicare for all and how divisive it is. watch. >> the reason i insist on medicare for all who want it as a strategy to deliver on that goal we share of universal healthcare, is that that is something that as a governing strategy we can unify the american people around. creating a version of medicare, making it available to anybody who wants it but without the decisive step of ordering

people on to it whether they want to or not. steve: all right, don? >> first of all, i don't think anybody wants to waste their air time attacking him. he is not going to be the democratic nominee. no chance to be president. steve: why do you say that? >> he hasn't really -- he run as city, partially. of about 15,000 people. it's one of the poorest. he has a strained relationship with the black community. in his own city. he has police. steve: why is he surging right now. >> because there is a lack of alternatives. i think the candidates that should be emerging like a cory booker for some reason have not emerged. i think harris left a lot of airspace when she fizzled out. so, the party is looking -- and most people aren't paying attention as much as we are right now. steve: okay. and robert, regarding mayor pete and medicare for all? >> yeah. i think he was spot on. and i think actually you have seen over the last few weeks that some of the limelight has been taken out of elizabeth warren because for the most part, people don't want their private

insurance taken away, at least 150 million people don't. and i think, number two, have you seen her pivot quickly. she called it a policy, then she called it a platform. then she said it's happening immediately. and then she says it's going to happen in three years. i actually think mayor pete and joe biden and klobuchar have been spot on in the healthcare debate. steve: because they are more moderate and you think only a moderate can win the general. >> i think electability is key and i think actually the party is center left. we saw that in the midterms. okay. they flipped 41 red to blue seats. we saw that in the recent governorship whether it's kentucky or whether it's louisiana. and i think what we are trying to say is yes, they may be -- i think the moderates are the silent majority. i think where you hear is everything on the populist left. but those who vote right now, i think it's like 57% are moderate. steve: don, regarding elizabeth warren and talking about the free loading billionaires. is that a message that is

resonating with the political left that votes in a primary. >> no. i think it does to her far left on super liberal whites. but african-american voters, especially those in the south, they are much more aspirational. they believe in our capitalistic democracy and they want to be more active participants. they are going to be more responsive to what cory booker articulated last night. i think that her weakness is this class warfare and that's why she is trying to moderate it. however, because there are so many of them right now i think ultimately there will be a far left candidate and a centrist candidate, those two will emerge and that will be what the long primary season will be about. steve: you get the final word. >> i agree with don. i think actually last night cory booker went right after warren on the wealth tax and said he went back to kind of joe biden's kitchen issue. kitchen table issues. we have to make sure we understand what we are giving people. how do we make their wages better? how do we help them with their skills? i actually thought it was a brilliant move by corey

going right after warren her supposed strength. steve: guys, great analysis. thank you very much. >> thank you. steve: robert was talking about cory booker. coming up cory booker going after joe biden once again on the stage. this time over pot. bill bennett served as drug czar under president bush and weighs in on that coming up next. couple kids really wanted to meet the grinch until he actually showed up. look at that face. ♪ you are cuddly as a cactus and charming as an ill. mr. grinch ♪ you're a bad banana with a d. my truck doesn't have that. it offers an optional technology package with up to 15 different camera views. that's quality picture. it even offers one enhanced view that makes your trailer appear invisible - to help you see what's behind you. oh, wow! which in this case happens to be the competition - since they

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the moderate and liberal. impeachment which we expected was clearly a dominant issue and that's what they talked, about listen. >> donald trump doesn't want me to be the nominee. that's pretty clear. and i found out that vladimir putin doesn't want me to be president. >> no one is above the law. we have a constitutional responsibility and we need to neat it. >> but we cannot simply be consumed by donald trump. because if we are, you know what? we are going to lose the election. griff: what was new was mayor pete buttigieg rising in the polls leading in iowa and new hampshire and, of course, as we saw in the fifth debate everyone zeroing in on warren.

they didn't take so much swipes at mayor pete but he did show that he could commands the stage. now, when it came to the time that they spoke, warren had the most time followed by buttigieg, then by kennel and sanders. now, policy-wise, warren's pellet tax was front and center. she defended it and cory booker, senator booker stood out by challenging her on it. listen to this. >> i have proposed a 2-cent wealth tax. so when you make it big, when you make it really big, when you make the top of one tenth of 1% big. pitch in two cents so everybody else gets a chance. >> wealth tax, i'm sorry, it's cumbersome it's been tried by the nations. >> i'm tired of free loading billionaires. >> everybody is tired of free loading billionaires. everybody is tired of corporations get away with paying brother taxes. we are not disagreeing with that. >> thank you. griff: just a few moments ago i was able to catch one senator booker. he is aware testimony that people thought he had a big night. here's what he had to say about that and his vision as a candidate. listen.

>> right now we as a team, team america, we are at each other's throats. we hate each other just because because we vote differently. this is unacceptable in a country that has to pull together and beat our competition around this globe. the democratic party can't run because of what they're against. they need to start talking about what they are for. griff: finally, if you are wondering what president trump thought of that, well, his campaign put out a statement saying that he thought all of the candidates on the stage last night were short on solutions and heavy on an unhealthy obsession to take him down. brian, ainsley, steve. steve: all right. kind of what we would expect. thank you very much. let's dial in bill bennett, fox news contributor. former secretary of education under reagan and host of the wise guys on fox nation. author of the book "americast last best hop hope." kenoshhope.

cory booker and joe biden. we wanted to play this. >> issues matter. i have a lot of respect for the vice president. he swore me into my office. as a hero this week i heard him literally say that i don't think we should legalize marijuana. i thought you might have been high when you said it. [laughter] and let me tell you, because marijuana, marijuana, marijuana in our country is already legal for privileged people. and it's war on drugs has been a war on black and brown people. steve: you were the drug czar for a while. what do you think of what cory booker says? >> well, he is wrong. marijuana is a serious issue by the way. not a laugh line as it is with a lot of liberal audiences. more kids are in drug treatment for marijuana than all of the drugs combined. biden got in trouble because he said something that may be true it. may be a gateway drug and it is for a lot of people. the question is do you think in a country losing 70,000

people a year to illegal drugs that it's good to make the gateway a little broader by making marijuana more accessibility. so, booker is wrong on that. but, joe biden retreated on his position. he was the confirming chairman of me. i was the first drug czar. we spent about 100 hours together on their. he was pretty well educated and had pretty good views but to get this nomination he has got to go goofy. brian: let's talk about impeachment. today fiona hill pretty well respected and senior director for europe and russia and worked directly with john bolt and david holmes. super sonic hearing hear both sides of the conversation and quickly come back and tell everybody about it. hear donald trump and ambassador sondland. having said that what do you expect today. >> the president needs a vetting team to figure out who should be working for him and who shouldn't? i expect more of the same today decent public servants will come up and say what

they think. i note that the democrats are jubilant right now about yesterday because of the quid pro quo. two things, two problems with that one, the president pointed out because of that direct testimony by sondland that he said i don't want anything, there is no quid pro quo. tell him to do the right thing. that's the president's exact words. consider that do the right thing. how about contrast with richard nixon. we remember we could do that but that would be wrong. the president said do the right thing. but the second thing is i think it really opens up to what the real defense of the president has to be. not the quid pro quo so much as is this what you remove a president for? he has broad latitude in foreign policy. he says i want to look into this corruption on 2016. burisma is part of this look into it. republic in jeopardy by having a president who makes that statement. i don't think so. that's where the strongest defense is, i think. brian: bill, if the president gets another four years, this has got to stop. he has got to get organization. he has to get a chart.

the secretary of state has got to be in charge. have a envoy name the envoy and tell them what he is doing. we don't need these two parallel tracks, don't you agree. >> they need to vet people. when i was secretary, first thing we did was interviewed people. i fired about 100 people. have you got to get your team. in that's what an election means. get your team. in i will volunteer to be part of that vetting team. brian: absolutely, you know everybody. >> i'm afraid i do. brian: you do. bill, thanks so much. >> you betcha. brian: have you his best interest at heart. >> yes, i do. steve: 20 minutes before the top of the hour. jillian joins us right now with news out of the white house. jillian: that's right. good morning. get you caught up with this fox news alert. this is breaking right now. the secret service searching a suspicious vehicle. you see it there, after it tried driving up to the white house. agents say the mercedes suv attempted to enter the complex behind another car that was allowed entry. the driver was immediately taken into custody.

we will let you know if we get any more information on that. in the meantime this story. a convicted sex offender is charged in the murder of an iraq war veteran. antonio silva lopez was arrested after adrienne body's found wrapped in the trunk of a abandoned car in southern california. police are looking for additional suspects. swat team found another kidnapping victim along with multiple guns and fentanyl inside lopez want lopez's home. he is due in court tomorrow. man runs into danger car explosion. stop what you are doing and watch this as security cameras roll as car stops in front of train tracks and turns into a fireball. another man then jumps out of his car to pull the driver to safety in connect cut. you see that right there? he suffered burns on his face and hands but will be okay. the man says he was smoking a cigarette when a gas can in the -- with a gas can in the car. that is scary. okay. so parents give their kids an early christmas surprise

and it's nothing like you would expect. watch this. [screams] ♪ you're a mean one ♪ mr. grinch ♪ you really. >> the grinch popping out of the trees. oh my gosh. sending the kids running for their lives. look at those faces. it happened during a family photo shoot in new jersey. their priceless reactions as you can see were caught on camera forever. ainsley: parents are laughing. they think it's hilarious. the little older big brother leaves his little sister. brian: i know. unbelievable. fend for yourself. steve: it's a grinch and it's in a tree. ainsley: when can we watch the drink? how old should kids be by the way? jillian: hilarious. steve: at the same time a lot of kids are afraid of santa. they sit down on santa's lap and they cry. ainsley: depends on the year

four house. we will see what happens this year. steve: jillian, thank you. ainsley: politicians had their time to talk on the debate stage. now it's time for the voters to weigh in. todd piro is talking to them live in georgia. we will talk with them next. ♪ we'll have some fun ♪ when the clock strikes one ♪ we're going to rock around the clock tonight ♪ for all their hard work and sacrifice. we all sleep easier knowing you're out there keeping us safe. and on a personal note... sfx: jet engines ... i just needed to get that off my chest. thank you. geico: proudly supporting the military for over 75 years.

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>> and first 100 days i would bring in 135 million people in medicare for all at no cost to them. everybody under the age of 18. and then, in the third year, when people have had a chance to feel it and taste it, and live with it, we're going to vote and we're going to want medicare for all. >> senator sanders let me bring you into this conversation. >> thank you. i wrote the damn bill. >> democratic hopefuls using last night's debate stage to push their progressive agendas, including healthcare. what do the voters think? steve: well, i'm looking

live down in the atlanta area and todd piro is sitting right there at the marietta diner in marietta, georgia with some of the folks who watched last night. todd? todd: hey, steve, ainsley and brian. good morning to awful you. we have some amazing opinions. great so far. let's see if we can continue. we begin with phil. phil, who was your winner and why? >> if i were a democrat it would be tulsi gabbard, she is the only one that seems to have any logic about her. of course they are attacking her because of that because she doesn't toe their line. you know what? i wish she would be with us but she is not. that's the one i would look at as the winner. >> phil, thank you. linda, you say you were a democrat most of your life. you say all the candidates last night were losers, why? >> because they put forth outrageous programs that nobody can pay for. and bottom line is they want to turn us into a socialist country. and i think that they are very, very mislead. todd: linda, thank you for your time. let's come over here. janet, you say any of the candidates would be a good

candidate. why? >> i think that any of the candidates are really well-qualified to lead the country. i think there are more candidates, more discussions need to happen and if there were a vice presidential partnership that already emerged be easier to pick somebody that i would support. todd: very interesting. you are not voting for trump. you support the impeachment inquiry, but you say there was a little bit too much impeachment talk last night, why? >> i think there was too much impeachment talk. i think there should have been more talk about the climate, corporations involvement in politics, education, the economy. legal challenges to what is an employee, that is being done by large corporations. as well as now legal challenge regarding our civil right laws. todd: thank you very much. we conclude with ben. ben, you say bernie nailed it on impeachment. why? >> bernie made a great point last night. he said if all the candidates keep doing is bashing trump, they are going to lose. the american people want to hear about the issues that are important to us.

we are tired of the trump bashing. we want to move onto the issues that are important for us. todd: ben, thank you. thank you everybody here at the marietta diner. it was a great morning. we sincerely appreciate it. we will toss it on back to new york city. steve, ainsley and brian. steve: all right, todd, thank you very much. [chanting four more years] ainsley: for more years. brian: todd to have four more years at the diner? steve: think think they were saying four more beers. ainsley: even better. 49 minutes after the top of the hour. amy klobuchar calling out her party on the debate stage saying a woman with pete buttigieg's experience won't be there. >> women are held to a higher standard otherwise we could play a name called name your favorite woman president. ainsley: tomi lahren says playing the woman card won't work. she is here live. brian: have you ever played the woman card? great to see you. ♪ ♪

>> women are held to a higher standard. otherwise, we could play a game called name your favorite woman president, which we can't do because it has all been men. ainsley: senator amy klobuchar calling out the democratic party after saying a woman with mayor pete's experience wouldn't be on the debate stage. brian: mayor of a small town. klobuchar says a double standard in our party is apparent. is that true? steve: let's bring in fox nation host tomi lahren joins us on the east coast this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: i know you were covering this last night. what do you make of her comment? >> again, if she is trying to pull the woman card did she not watch the 2016

election and it didn't work for hillary. it's not going to work for amy. they are trying to compete in the impression olympics. the american people don't want to watch that beyond that, if she is trying to tout her experience, if we learned anything from the 2016 election beyond the woman card doesn't work, it's that people aren't necessarily looking for business as usual. they are looking for an outsider. which is why pete actually has a better chance than most of them. she was trying to get a moment there, a feminist moment. i don't think she landed it. ainsley: you can't use the woman card unless it's legitimate. what does she mean by that. >> she means pete doesn't have as much experience as she does. a woman with his experience wouldn't make it as far because they would be told that they don't have enough experience. but, again, the american people are not looking for someone to say poor me, poor me. these are a list of the excuses. we didn't vote for her in 2016. we are not going to vote for her now. brian: one thing elizabeth warren is doing put out plans and how smart she is. everyone says can we open these up? they open them up and there is not enough there. people looking at it saying they don't work. she also was calling out taxpayers. she wants to talk about

using taxpayer dollars, to actually take downtown border wall. listen. >> would you ask taxpayers to pay to take down any part of the wall on the nation's southern border? >> if there are parts of the wall that are not useful in our defense, of course we should do it. the real point here is that we need to stop this man made crisis at the border. trump is the one who has created this crisis. brian: is that true? you have been to the border how many times? >> yeah. i have been to the border several times. i'm going back at the beginning of next month where she actually talked about going to mcallen. i'm excited to see it. she talked about the cages of women and children. i'm going to go see for myself. two things she said there she referred to it again as a man made crisis. i thought even the democrats were admitting it was a crisis. but then saying that the taxpayers should pay to take down wall where it already exists that just shows you not only are democrats for open borders. they want to use your tax dollars to make sure our border is open and take down the infrastructure we already have. steve: you have been talking about that on your show no interruption on fox nation.

take a look. a snippet of upcoming episode. >> if you go back to the campaigning that trump did and the type of rhetoric he used and the rhetoric he relied on to garner support, it was to divide people. when you blanketly just call somebody a white power barbie or a white nationalist, because you disagree with their politics, that's going too far. that's rhetoric that's also dangerous. steve: we have anna from the young furyks. >> at politic con which was a fun time. go take a look. always fun to spar with the democrats. they debate always super fairly as you have seen. ainsley: that's a good tease. can't wait to watch it. steve: great toe now is person. >> thanks for having me. brian: live coverage continuess next. i had one second left. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories about vehicle quality. and when they were done,

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>> inpeachable conduct. i call for an impeachment proceeding. >> likely the most corrupt president in the modern history of america. >> president trump when i asked him the open-ended question, as i testified previously, what do you want from ukraine. his answer was i want nothing. >> impeachable conduct in the abuse of power. >> quid pro quo you were discuss was over the aid, correct? >> no. >> i learned something about the impeachment trial. i learned number one donald trump doesn't want me to be nominee. >> i do not recall entering the bidens. that did not enter my mind. it was burisma and 2016 elections. >> ambassador sondland said everyone was in the loop. >> president didn't tell you, mulvaney didn't tell you. pompeo didn't tell you. nobody else on this planet told you that donald trump was tying aid to these investigations, is that correct?

>> yes. steve: man, oh, man. look at that. a big day of television. saw a lot on the fox news channel. gordon sondland the ambassador was testifying throughout much of the day. last night we had a on another cannel the democrat debate down in atlanta. brian: what are we getting done? fiona hill in opening remarks according to "politico" will be critical of republicans pushing fick shunnal narrative of this ukrainian situation. we have a special lawmaker. ainsley: dan crenshaw, house security member and former navy seal. good morning. >> good morning. >> to brian's point, learning about fiona you're an attorney, you will hire the an attorney to interpret the law to be in your favor or judge, want a judge that will side with you or your part of the law. when you read that transcript, isn't it all just an opinion whether or not you felt like

there was quid pro quo? this impeachment hearing, has it really changed anyone's opinion, either you're conservative with the president or you're a democrat you want him impeached? >> you're absolutely right. you can basically spin whatever narrative you want based on the facts we know. i don't know what fiona hill is going to say. she would have to completely refute the "politico" investigation from 2017 which, went into detail how there were ukrainians involved in the 2016 election. so i don't know if she is referring to that specific theory. i don't know if she's referring to the burisma-biden relationship. those facts are not really disputed. there was obviously a conflict of interest. i'm not sure what she's going to say. maybe she bill talk about the crowdstrike server, she maybe have a point about that, we don't know what the deal is with the crowdstrike server. this is about your

interpretation. the more facts come out, the more my interpretation becomes, there is little evidence of any official policy on quid pro quo. there is a lot of people who may be presumed it, like sondland said. i presumed there was. he was never told that there was. all of these other policy implement terse, the ones who are supposed to carry forward the president's policy were never actually told there was an official quid pro quo, that they were withholding aid for these reasons. if you are going to withhold aid for certain reasons you have to tell people eventually and if you never told anybody, it isn't career it was the policy of the president. steve: mr. sondland in his dramatic 25 page opening statement, he said was there quid pro quo, he said yes, but it wasn't about the military aid. to your point, later he presumed at that those talks had been going on. >> right. steve: but he had never spoken

to the president. in the morning, mr. crenshaw, you know the democrats were saying we've been waiting for this guy. he will make our case. by the end of the day, wait, what? >> yeah. this is a really blatant case of spinning narratives. we saw it for years under the mueller probe. you know what? i was silent about that i wanted to wait for the facts. steve: we all did. >> i think that was the right thing to do because we had a special prosecutor who we all deemed to be professional and objective. they came out with the report. they found there was nothing there now we have very unobjective investigation, the media spin on this has been abhorrent. it is amazing to watch the different channels how they assess this, the different stories that come out. if you take an unemotional objective look at the facts, you cannot see what the democrats are seeing here. brian: when you go to take this job, you're somebody like to get things done in your life. you must be extremely frustrated

what could be getting done as opposed to impeachment which is basically the same story over and over again. can't get the usmca done although i did hear there was meeting yesterday with lighthizer and pelosi. defense authorization act, that is not done. gun safety, we started talking about that in bipartisan way, nothing happened. prescription drugs, 90% is agreed on between republicans and democrats. infrastructure we never got past a dollar figure. nothing is getting done. >> you're absolutely right. usmca should have have been passed long ago. democrats are searching every corner to be against the deal. it is great for america. especially texas. we thrive on free trade. businesses need some predictability. we need to get these deals done. i think it is safe to say we would have higher gdp growth, higher wage growth, higher job growth if businesses had predictability to invest. it is extremely important. you're right.

we agree on a lot of drug pricing bills but the democrats wanted to implement poison pills and put price controls in there which we know would curb innovation. steve: sure. >> 15 to 18 less curse said by the cbo. that is the problem. you can make the analysis on many bills passed in the house. we agree a lot of what is in the bills, instead of passing what we agree on, to get to the senate, signed by the president, give the american people actually some sense we're getting something done they don't do that. they use the poison pills to make political statements to use in the campaign in 2020. steve: they don't agree whether the whistleblower should appear before the committee. adam schiff doesn't want because it would be republicans who would ask how did you coordinate with staff members.

fbi wants to interview the whistleblower according to the whistle-blower's attorney. not clear when a date will happen. the fbi is interested in the substance what the whistleblower said in their complaint. apparently it is not about the leaks. so what could it be about? >> i really don't know. i will say that traditional whistleblower should be protected. now it's arguable whether this is a traditional whistleblower. this is a cia analyst who did their own investigation and coordinated that investigation with adam schiff's staff. so that is not really a traditional whistleblower who, i think we all perceive to be somebody who witnesses something or given an order that is unlawful, they deem it to be unlawful, they blow the whistle. we want to protect those kind of people. this is not clear this is that kind of person with all the facts we have now. not surprising republicans want to see him testify.

brian: bottom line as we leave the ukraine. this is the right leader. they need weapons to fight against the russians. that is the right policy. the president had it right. this seems to be the right president. as we shot over to the debates last night. we thought you would like to weigh in on this. kamala harris and pete buttigieg going at it. you see tulsi gabbard weigh in. a brief look what took place over the course of three hours. >> do you seriously think anybody on this stage is proposing invading mexico? talking about -- >> that is not -- >> i think it is unfortunate that we have someone on this stage who is attempting to be the democratic nominee for president of the united states who during the obama administration spent four years full time on fox news criticizing president obama. >> let's also talk about judgment. one of the foreign leaders you mentioned meeting was bashar al as sad. i would not have sat down with a murderous dictator like that.

brian: who got better, dan? >> i think pete buttigieg had a point there. i remember that moment, tulsi did get over her skis alittle bit accusing him of something he really wasn't saying. i agree with pete's assessment of our mexico cooperation with mexico and our military relationships there. president trump does as well. kamala harris as usual took cheap shots at tulsi for criticizing the obama administration. anyone's allowed to criticize whatever administration is in power and if you well-intentioned reasons for doing so you do. we can disagree on those. as usual i think harris took cheap shots. i was cursing "fox & friends" the whole time. i know i had to sit through that because of interview this morning. the debate overall, it was a little bit boring. not a lot of charisma. a lot of platitudes. a lot of platitudes centered on

this idea that democrats are coming to the rescue for you. okay? they will make government work for the little guy. they will root out corruption, stop special interests, same slogans you always hear. you can't govern with slogans. the american people are smarter than that. they want to be spoken to as adults. they don't need to be rescued by their government. they want a system they can thrive in to make right choices. that is stability and economic growth and that this administration is delivering. brian: brian: joe biden ran out of gas. no one went after the surging mayor pete. in the end we wonder where we go from here. congressman, thanks for joining us this morning. sorry to make you sit through it. >> that's okay. brian: with we owe you a favor. ainsley: where is jillian? she is upstairs. she has headlines. jillian: we begin with a fox news alert. a police officer shot and killed

responding to a home invasion call in detroit. the suspect hit the unidentified officer in the neck. the 17 year veteran is the 37th officer shot and killed on the job this year. he is being remembered for his service. >> we lost a hero. these nights are the worst part of the job for the chief and me. he fought a good fight. they knew that he had made the ultimate sacrifice. jillian: another officer was shot in the leg. the suspect also shot was arrested. prison guard charged in jeffrey epstein's death said he is willing to cooperate with federal investigators. he and a fellow prison guard are accused of falsifying documents and claimed they checked epstein every 30 minutes. prosecutors say they did not check on him for hours. he was found in his new york city jail cell in august. it was ruled a suicide. easy there, twinkle toes, a

bank robber falls not once, not twice but three times trying to get away. the armed thief tripping over and over holding up a bank in louisiana. police are looking for him. eventually he got away. those are the headlines. back to you. steve: where is the getaway car. brian: "flintstones" used to get away using their feet. steve: i don't remember "the flinstones" robbing a bank. brian: no? betty and fred? steve: elizabeth warren defending wealth tax. >> i'm tired of freeloading billionaires. i think it is time we ask those at the very top to pay more. brian: home depot cofounder ken langone has something to say about that. he joins us next. that is a game face. ♪. ♪

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♪. >> talk 1/10 of 1% pay two cents more, still pay 3.2%, america. i'm tired of freeloading billionaires. i think it's time that we ask those at the very top to pay more. ainsley: elizabeth warren declaring war on the wealthy. at last night's debate while defending her plan to tax them

even more. is this really a winning strategy? steve: let's talk to home depot cofounder, former director of the new york stock exchange, mr. ken langone. >> thank you for having me. brian: are you a freeloading billionaire? >> they can call me whatever they want. i still go to work every day. what i am a grateful american. what happened to me in my life only happened because my grandparent came to america. she can call me whatever she wants. she is phony. she is a liar, we know that. she is a liar, a horrible liar. steve: what about her suggestion super wealthy people who have over $50 billion should every year pay like two or 3% on the wealth every year? >> look, it's been tried before. it doesn't work. okay? what do they say about insanity? when you do the same thing twice and expect different results, okay? steve: she need as way to pay for all these plans. >> she's a phony.

she's a phony. she has been created by the media. she is worth $18 million. i don't want to see tax returns, it makes me sick, she does nothing to make it. i would like to see how much money she and her husband given a charity over the years, as percentage of their income or percentage of their net worth. brian: is that one of your proudest things? >> my proudest things, what happened to me could only happen in america. there is no place on earth where a poor kid whose parents were uneducated could come, be in this country. look what's happened to me. look at my wife, myself, our kids, our life. let's not flog this thing too much because it works. ainsley: how do these plans, where you're taxing and taxing, taxing, what does that do to the economy? our economy is booming. it is better than it has been in a long time. what does it mean for our country if she becomes

president? >> look there are people like myself who would actually pay to go to work. if you told me, if you want to go to that job tomorrow you got to pay me, would i pay it. i love my work. most people that are successful in good part because they love what they're doing and the more you like what you're doing or love what you're doing, the more passionate, the more enthusiastic, the more effective you are. so she has got me there. but guess what? there are 480,000 people today working in a home depot store. i had a young man yesterday, his name is mark esposito, district manager at 10 stores. brian: you're a cofounder. >> i'm a cofounder. young man called me, he is 44, wanted to tell me is retiring. what the hell are you talking about? you're 44. i came here 18 pushing carts from the parking lot. i educated my kids. i paid off my mortgage. my wife and i want to do

something in health care. i have all i need thanks to home depot. i'm out of here. i want you to know this company changed my life. i can give thousands and thousands and thousands of stories. brian: you know what you're underlying? there is vilification of the wealthy and success that is unhealthy for the country. what people should understand is, when people have money, they decide to invest it into companies they have to hire other people and those other people have an opportunity to work their way up, have their own success story. >> human nature is alive and well and one of the seven deadly sins is envy, okay? i'm sorry, part of what happens to somebody like me that becomes successful, very successful, my old man used to say to me, you want to be successful, not too successful. this is 8th grade education man. wisdom beyond his words. that is part of the price.

that is okay. people want to think i made money by ripping them off. people want to think i exploited people? i can't stop that. steve: envy. >> the one thing i have to live with every day is my conscience. we have, let me give you a glaring example of, that includes everything about america. we have 1700 stores in the united states of america. the woman that runs them, black, started out as a part-time cashier. name is anna marie campbell. i will put her out there, shows every woman people in the world that tries to compete against home depot. she did it on her own. it works. brian: right. why can't a politician say working harder? >> they're liars. the worst people go into politics. not the best. ainsley: that is really cool. you're employing almost half a million people. >> two united states marine corps. ainsley: every single one of us watching, talking to you right

now has something from your store in our house. >> whoa. i had a deal with fox. you don't do anything but shop at home depot now on. everything comes from home depot. i'm out of here. steve: they know me by name at the patterson store. >> i wish they knew you by your credit card frankly. ken, you were watching television yesterday, the last two weeks, the impeachment parade, what do you make how the democrats are prosecuting this case against the president? >> let me tell you what frightens me. impeachment is a very solemn word and a very solemn process. impeachment is going the way the racism. the word racism is a very important word. steve: by the way, ken, that is fiona hill who is arriving. she will appear before the committee in 45 minutes. >> i will not be here in 45 minutes. >> i know. we'll be done in six. >> that process of impeachment should be reserved for only the most serious, serious crimes.

brian: is this a serious crime? >> i don't know if he did anything or not! nobody established one thing. not one thing that has come out would be admissible in a trial in a court. not one thing. steve: because it is political. >> i sound like i am republican. i'm republican. conservative republican, okay? you by also understand something that none of them are talking about. get away from -- that's theater, okay, and bad theater at that. this guy schiff. he just looks like a bad guy. i wish they had somebody more likeable, a guy like tip o'neill. he would have, everybody loved tip o'neill. he was a democrat by the way. the guy that lost in oregon, washington, former speaker. tom foley. brian: okay. >> everybody liked the guy. nancy pelosi's husband cans tuna fish in guam. go look at u.s. territory. go look at minimum wage in guam.

brian: good point. talk about too, you have big news. nyu school of medicine has been renamed. >> been renamed. my wife announced at our violet ball two weeks ago, annual fund-raiser. she and i had the right to name the med school because of a major gift we made. we chose to name it after bob grossman, the dean, ceo, took over 12 years ago, led transformation of one of the greatest health care facilities in the world. there are a lot of great ones. what this man has done with this place, that night we raised $150 million in a single night. >> whoa. how much was a ticket? >> a lot of money. what the hell is her name -- brian: elizabeth warren. >> warren, she won't spend it. she could afford it. she won't spend it. these politicians will give all

the barbed-wire they can eat out of that are pocket for nothing. brian: good to see you. ainsley: we love the one restaurant. >> dimaggios. steve: talking about theater down in washington. we'll take you there live coming up after this. >> god bless you. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere.

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this could be the last day of hearings. none are scheduled for next week because of the holidays. ainsley: we'll learn more about the aid giving to ukraine. brian: gordon sondland his remarks, 20 plus pages. it would be exmost sirf day. fiona hill will be critical of the republicans making up scenarios, i assume aren't plausible. she was very tight with john bolton. fiona hill seems very well-respected in the international community. steve: nonetheless, kicks off half an hour from right now. photographers are getting ready to take pictures of the guests. fiona hill, david holz. special coverage of the impeachment inquiry starts right now. ♪. bill: this could be final leg of marathon hearings on the hill in

this committee. moments from now the final two witnesses of the week will testify on the fifth day of public hearings. we're already giving a glimpse at the opening statement. i'm bill hemmer live in new york city. we'll take you through the day best we can starting right now. sandra: good morning, everyone. i'm sandra smith. fiona hill and david holmes will be before the committee. hill a top advisor to president trump. she left her post before the july 25th phone call. she expressed concerns about handling of the ukraine policy to nsc lawyers. bill: david holz, career officer from department of the state. here is how he fits into the investigation. on the day after the ukraine call, july 26th. he says he overheard a phone conversation between eu ambassador gordon sondland and the president. sandra: fox team coverage live. back with us again, bret baier,

chris wallace in washington. martha maccallum and john roberts in new york. chad pergram in washington. ken starr. bill: chad, start with you in washington. >> good morning, bill, what reverberated the testimony by david sondland, gordon sondland the ambassador to european union where he talked about a quid pro quo to release the aid. republicans were first sympathetic to sondland. listen to devin nunez, the top republican on the committee. >> ambassador sondland, you are here today to be smeared. you will make it through it and i appreciate your service to this country and i am sorry that you have had to go through this. >> a lot of republicans started to question exactly what gordon sondland knew. here is a statement from morgan

ortegas, state department spokeswoman for secretary of state mike pompeo. sondland never told pompeo he believed trump was linking aid to investigations of political opponent. any suggestion to the contrary is flat-out false. republicans really started to get their hooks into sondland during the hearing later. listen to this exchange with mike turner, a republican of ohio. >> is that your testimony, ambassador sondland, that you have evidence that donald trump tied the investigation to the aid because i don't think you're saying that? >> i said repeatedly, congressman, i was presuming. i also said that president trump -- >> no one told, not just the president, giuliani didn't tell you, mulvaney didn't tell you, nobody -- pompeo didn't tell you, nobody else on this planet told you that donald trump was tying aid to these investigations, is that correct? >> yes. >> now these are the last of the scheduled public hearings before

the intelligence committee. we don't know if they might schedule more. they have left the door open on that. we could also have open hear frogs the judiciary committee. if nothing else they might start to write articles of impeachment, bill. bill: chad, you talked to a lot of people, members of congress there, five days of hearings will be in the books at the close of the day. are both sides still locked in, chad? >> absolutely. what republicans and democrat have to do going into the week 1/2 recess, to create a punctuation point to underscore what their issues on with impeachment. there is risk for both sides. for democrats, some wonder if they are being overzealous towards impeachment that could represent 31 democrats that represent districts that president trump carried in 2016. at same concern for republicans if they are appearing to stand four scare behind the president, bill. bill: how bus impeachment affect the other matters of congress?

you have a lot going on with the budget. what about that? >> the senate today will take a vote to sync up with the house to keep the government funded through december 20th. that is key. they have to pig out how to keep up the spending for a month's time that could be a real donnybrook. they have to agree to pass the usmca. that was one of president trump's biggest campaign promises in 2016. you could have a bizarre paradox, approving the usmca, at same time they are impeaching him. they're on a real collusion course. a lot to do in the time period. they might fund the government this round. it will be tough going in next round, bill. bill: we'll be with you throughout the day. fiona hill, david holmes on the hill. sandra: let's bring in bret baier, chris wallace, martha maccallum. bret, why don't you kick off things here. what will you look for these two

witnesses this morning? >> yesterday ambassador sondland shocked people with his opening statements, republicans especially of. everybody knew there was a quid pro quo. here are emails to show it. i believe he said foreign aid was tied to this the morning was bad for republicans. in the afternoon, republicans pressed him did you hear the aid was tied directly to the. he said no. it took shine off that he was trumpian john dean in the afternoon. he was damaging to republican arguments on a number of fronts. laura cooper, pentagon official, it opens the door possibility that ukrainians knew the aid was held as soon as july 25th, the day of the call. is it definite? no. she got a call from the ukrainians at the pentagon where is the aid as of july 25th. that is all circumstantial.

chad mentioned after today house lawmakers take a break until december third. does this momentum continue? is there momentum on the democratic side? they go home. then it goes to the judiciary committee. then what happens there? as far as the ability to make articles of impeachment? are there other elements here we are not seeing? if not, again it is all about the math. today, president trump meets with republican senators at the white house. among them, mitt romney and susan collins. since in recent days he has met with 40 gop senators. do you think they're counting heads? yeah. sandra: all good questions. martha? >> you know fiona hill will be an interesting person to watch in this room. she has a british accent from northern england. she grew up in coal country. she worked very closely with john bolton. i'm constantly struck as we sort of review and look back what we've heard so far what these witnesses have been able to share with the fact that democrats wanted to push this

through very quickly. they didn't want to wait for john bolton. they didn't want to press for mick mulvaney. those are the voices who really -- we talk about a john dean moment. it feels more and more everybody else is sort of talking around the edges of this story. those are the people who are at the heart of it. rudy giuliani also at the heart of this story as well. we have not heard from any of those individuals. iffiona hill is the person in hr testimony who quoted john bolton saying rudy giuliani will be a hand grenade that will blow us all up. the story about the drug deal, didn't want to be part of a drug deal cooked up by sondland and mulvaney. you heard sondland talk about that yesterday. look for her to be critical of this ukraine fiction as she called it in her testimony. she believes russia was the real foe in the election meddling in 2016. look for her to press that point home here today as well. sandra: you look back, what a

week it has been chris wallace, with multiple hearings, multiple witnesses. two more this morning. as we wrap a busy week on capitol hill, your expectation this is morning, chris? >> i think by the end of yesterday everybody, both republicans and democrats were fed up with gordon sondland. yes he did lay out particularly in his opening statement very damaging allegations not only against the president but against his whole senior team, vice president pence, secretary of state mike pompeo, chief of staff mulvaney. in the afternoon as has been pointed out republicans poked some holes, some things that he said, well he presumed, he believed, he didn't have first-hand evidence. the republicans were attacking his credibility. the democrats were saying why did it take you three times to get to the truth about all of this? i think they were all fed up with him. today you will have two people who i think are going to be very specific about what they knew and what they charged and there will not be a lot of wiggle

room. you can either believe it or not believe it. it will be pretty straightforward. in the case of david holmes who is the political counselor in the u.s. embassy in ukraine he will testify i suspect partially about ther. >> campaign against marie yovanovitch carried out by rudy giuliani and some of his associates in ukraine but most importantly he will talk about the july 26th phone call he overheard between gordon sondland and president trump at that restaurant in kiev and where sondland sometimes hedged a little bit, i don't really recall it. he never even told the committee about it during his first testimony. david holmes has been clear, this was such as an extraordinary phone call. i remember it exactly. i remember the language. he quotes it. i think one of the specific things he will be asked about is, he testified at least in his closed-door deposition that when he was asked what the president cares about, sondland said this is sondland to holmes, this is

after the phone call with the president, that the president cares about big things like biden that advance his own interests. now when sondland was asked about that, no it was burisma. i didn't connect burisma and the bidens. very interesting to hear if he stands by his testimony it was the bidens. as far as fiona hill is concerned, she can put -- we've been talking about the fact john bolton would be such a powerful witness. she is the next best thing. she talks about the july 10th meeting in national security council, national security advisor john bolton's office where bolton, according to fiona hill, abruptly stop as meeting when there is any discussion of linking aid or support for ukraine to investigations, political investigations. she is going to say that is not only when bolton stopped the meeting and said this is totally inappropriate, also made his remarks about, that giuliani is a hand grenade but also directed her to immediately report all of

this to the chief lawyer of the national security council. one last point. in her opening statement which is not embargoed, so we can report it, she says that this whole idea it was ukraine who interfered in the 2016 election that it wasn't russia, she says is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian security services themselves and then she says, some of you on the committee have been, clearly talking about the republicans, some of you on the committee have been advancing this. i would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance russian interests. so there is not going to be any hedging by fiona hill. i think she will be as sharp as a diamond. sandra: we'll hear from both the witnesses in their own words moments from now. before i let you go, bret, while all this going on the fifth

presidential primary debate going on in atlanta. i want to show a sampling what we saw. >> i learned something about these impeachment trials. i learned number one, donald trump doesn't want me to be the nominee. secondly i found out vladmir putin doesn't want me to be president. >> we have a president who is not only a pathological liar, likely the most corrupt president in the modern history of america. >> the constitutional process of impeachment should be beyond politics. it is not a part of the campaign but the president's conduct is. >> anyone who wants to give me a big donation, don't ask to be an ambassador because i'm not going to have that happen. sandra: some things they all agreed on, impeachment of the president. a lot they disagreed on, your thoughts, winners and losers last night. >> quickly there were not pointed questions about impeachment, how you feel about it but i think joe biden had his traditional stumbles in various points of this debate but overall made the case that he could be the best to win for the democrats against donald trump.

i think most media organizations saw amy klobuchar as a big winner last night. she is in fourth, fifth position in iowa. by the way she will be on "special report" tonight at 6:00 if we have a show. i think that, it was an interesting moment that impeachment hung over the back of it but there were still the big issues of health care, african-american support for somebody like mayor pete buttigieg, and the people on the outskirts trying to throw bombs to get back in the game. sandra: we're moments away. bret, martha, chris. see you. bill: big admission from the debate. no questions directed at joe biden when it comes to his position as point person about president obama on ukraine. no questions about his son hunter biden on board of burisma at a time the hearings are underway in a bit of a split screen. that sets the table. in moments two key witnesses set to testify. wrapping up marathon week of

public hearings. ken starr, john roberts will join us on the coverage what we learned thussh far. help turn back the clock on gingivitis with parodontax. leave bleeding gums behind. parodontax.

bill: 12 minutes away. day five of impeachment hearings set to go on the hill getting underway in a matter of moments.

we heard long testimony from the eu ambassador gordon sondland yesterday. what did we learn, where are we at the moment? chief white house correspondent john roberts joins us. good to see you back here in new york. former independent counsel ken starr. ken i want to begin with you. where is your focus, where are you looking? >> we need to step back. all these witnesses are in the high court of impeachment. we're not in trial. we're in a fact gathering mode but what are we gathering facts about? was there a crime? let's weigh the gravity and seriousness of that crime. does it reach the level of treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors? my assessment of the evidence thus far nowhere close. the evidence is conflicting an ambiguous. i think ambassador sondland's testimony yesterday was a clear indication of gosh, where are we at the end of the day? clearly in his opening statement

a quid pro quo. then he says, later, well, the president said, i don't want anything, right? the president zelensky should do the right thing. i mean that is the words, from the president himself. so the record at the end of the day is likely to be ambiguous at best, conflicting at best, and you cannot convict, you shouldn't charge, but you can't convict a sitting president on the basis of conflicting an ambiguous evidence and destablize the american government. bill: interesting. i heard from an influential democrat last night who suggested the hearings have gone on for too long and his idea was that once they're over, democrats at most should push for censure. a group of them communicated that with nancy pelosi already. is that democrat in the minority or do you see, is there any talk of that? is there any trend toward, ken? >> at a political level i would defer to others but i say this.

it is better to have the conversation then stay on this track toward impeachment. this is so terrible for the country. during the clinton years, during the clinton impeachment, voices such as dianne feinstein, she is still in the senate, said this is serious, i'm paraphrasing, this is serious misconduct but do we really want to remove a sitting president from office? let's censure him. i at least i hope the democrats will have the conversation about we don't like the way foreign policy was conducted here. the delay and so forth. that's debatable, but not the stuff of impeachment. bill: thank you, ken. stand by we'll lean on you for analysis throughout the entire day today. here in new york is john roberts. the president is already tweeting a lot. what are you getting from the west wing at 8:50 a.m.? >> good morning bill. the white house feeling going into the final round of hearses at least appears in this phase

the worst is over. that worst was sondland yesterday and that the worst wasn't so bad at all. sondland was pretty firm about this idea that there was a quid pro quo about in an oval office meeting but is that a impeachable offense? do you want to take the president out on conditioning a oval office meeting on something political? when it came to aid, he was definitive the president told him there was no quid pro quo. president in austin, texas at at new apple facility with ceo tim cook, he said i think it was fantastic talking about yesterday's hearings. i think they have to end it now. the president did absolutely nothing wrong. he referred to the telephone call, he called and said, what we should do? i said i want nothing. i repeated it, i want nothing, i want no quid proquote. tell the president as you know of ukraine just to do the right

thing. you could argue that the white house was aware there was a whistleblower complaint out there and so the president knew to use the words quid pro quo but it was awfully fortuitous gordon sondland decided to call him at this particular moment to get an opinion from the president. what is interesting about all of this, everything sondland testified to yesterday in terms of this idea of a quid pro quo of a meeting and phone call seemed to be conditioned on what he had heard from rudy giuliani and presumed that rudy giuliani was speaking for the president. but when it came to the aid, direct evidence from the president said no quid pro quo. so the white house is hanging its hat on that to say, proof, that he did nothing wrong. bill: john, thank you. stand by as well. to ken starr, how strong are the witnesses today when you consider what fiona hill will talk about a lot. >> this meeting at white house on july 7th where he said

john bolton and ambassador sondland were all involved in that meeting that day, david holmes will talk about hearing a phone call in ukraine on 25th of july. sondland took on his own cell phone, holmes will allege that president trump was on the other end of that phone call. neither person, in voice you have the presence of the president. you do not have the physical presence and direct contact with either witness. >> i think, bill, that fiona hill, so let's begin with her, has a recollection at least in her closed-door testimony, she doesn't talk about it in her testimony this morning, that july 10th meeting, yet there are other takes on that same meeting. ambassador volcker, who i think thus far has been one of the key witnesses just helping us all understand that there was this nefariousness that is being

seen, this evil that is being seen just doesn't translate into the formation of u.s. foreign policy. and he has a very distinct and different recollection from dr. hill. that just happens in the law. it happens in trial. witnesses have different recollections. what she does bring is the sense from john bolton, that rudy giuliani is doing things that aren't very helpful to put it mildly. in her closed-door testimony, she was quite critical of rudy not just with respect to this irregular dimension of carrying out foreign policy, but also that he was in the ukraine pursuing his own interests and with very shady characters. the soup is so mixed up. with respect to mr. holmes, i hope there will be no negative tweeting about career foreign

service officers who tried to do, or experts in dr. hill's case trying to be honest. this is what i saw. this is what i heard and so forth. but it is so limited. it is one telephone call. it is probably not going to be flattering to the president. once again where are we? we're in the court of impeachment. not close. bill: point you're making ken, ambiguous at best, not impeachable, you cannot convict but does not appear that will be the outcome of this. if you listen to the majority of democrats in the house it appears if they are hell-bent, headed toward that direction. do you see anything this week that will stop that? >> no. so i hope, again, wiser, cooler heads will prevail but as we have been noting throughout these hearings, there has been this pell-mell rush, we must impeach this president. again the famous 19 minutes after inauguration, "washington post," the effort to

impeach him has begun. we're living, bill as i said before, in a culture of impeachment. we need to close the chapter on this terrible culture by creation, ironically look who is talking of the independent counsel law. we created this dynamic toward, let's impeach the president. it's a terrible, terrible dynamic. bill: ken starr, thank you. john roberts stand by here in new york. sandra. sandra: two more witnesses about to face the house intelligence committee in washington. are democrats successfully building their case towards impeachment this week? do republicans believe their strategy is working? we'll be right back. eling light. getting settled. rewarded. learn more at the explorer card dot com.

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>> 9:00 on the east coast. awaiting testimony for the fifth day of public impeachment hearings about to begin. welcome to our ongoing coverage on fox. welcome to thursday. bill hemmer live in new york. >> good morning to you. i'm sandra smith. today's highly anticipated testimony will come from former top white house russia advisor fiona hill and ukraine u.s. embassy official david holmes. we'll have fox team coverage throughout the morning and day. bret baier is here and chris wallace joining us from