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>> some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason, ukraine data. this is a fictional narrative that is being perpetrated and propagated by the russian security systems themselves. >> with 240 page report, analyze 2016 russian meddling campaign. asked my staff to hand these reports to my two witnesses today. needless to say, it is entirely possible for two separate nations to engage in election meddling at the same time and republicans believe we should take meddling seriously by all foreign countries. regardless of which campaign is the target. >> juan: here is david holmes recalling ambassador sondland's phone call with president trump. >> it was quite loud and the president came on, quite distinctive. when the president came on, he sort of winced and held the

phone away from his ear like this and ambassador sondland says he's going to do the investigation. >> what was ambassador sondland's response? >> he said "oh, yeah, he's going to do it. he'll do anything you ask." >> juan: president trump tweeting his defense of that call. "i've been watching people make phone calls my entire life. my hearing is and has been great. never have i been watching a person make a call which was not on a speakerphone and been able to hear or understand the conversation. i've even tried, but to no avail. try it live." what do you say, jesse? >> jesse: some people say that his hearing is his best attribute. i also will say this. >> juan: was at a putdown of the president? >> jesse: no. the hoaxes over. the whole thing is up in smoke. you guys tried, you failed. you didn't have one witness to

testify that trump directed a quid pro quo involving military aid. not one. so let's go home and forget it all happen. nancy pelosi wasted everyone's time. what did she do in 2019? she shut down the government and then she failed to impeach the president. we are going to look back at 2019 like what? you did nothing. no nafta, renegotiation, doped drug prices, no infrastructure. what happened today? someone overheard a phone call. the president said i don't give a blank about ukraine. neither does the country. i wish even there? this is the reason trump is dual tracking diplomacy and ukraine in the first place because people like fiona. fiona doesn't even know there is ukraine collusion. she actually met christopher steele and saw the dossier before the dossier went public. the whole thing comes down to this.

trump's vision aligns with populism. skeptical of foreign aid and doesn't like these sloppy joe biden-type deals. so we are looking at this, this is the best you've got? try again. space >> juan: let's listen to t nancy pelosi had to say. >> the republicans are in denial about the facts. the republicans do not want to honor their oath of office, then i don't think we should be characterized as partisan in any way because we are patriotic. >> juan: today we heard from fiona hill who said that john bolton who with the national security advisor for president trump knew what was going on, warned her to stay out of domestic politics, that they were handling foreign affairs, you can't say that he is a democrat, and yet he was very leery of the fact he said at onl

talking about rudy and the gang >> dana: i feel like john bolton was a really good boss because he was looking out for his people and didn't want them to get in a situation which was ultimately testifying in front of congress about something they didn't have anything to do with. they have to hire lawyers and take time out of their work and come there and be humiliated by republicans and democrats who just want to make speeches and be rude about them. the thing about fiona hill is in her deposition, she testified that the steele dossier was ridiculous. she said it was discredited. republicans didn't ask her to talk about that today. they went after her for things that were a little bit strange. she was actually defending the president on several things. she said they could be understood that the president. >> juan: why don't we hear it? she has a nice voice. >> dana: great accident.

>> during your deposition, i asked you was christopher steele's dossier a rabbit hole? do you remember the answer you gave? >> yes, i thought it was a rabbit hole. >> you also said a couple pages later in the deposition and then the transcript that i have hear of your deposition that you thought he got played. is that fair? >> that is fair, yes. >> dana: during the deposition, she went deeper into it but if that was one of their goals, they didn't dwell on it. she also defended her from a tax talking about how she was attacked because she was called angry at some point when she said i'm just doing my job. she said also they could be -- she absolutely understood the president would be very hurt and frustrated by the fact that they were all these heads of state and people in the government in europe who were dissing him in 2015 at 2016 but that that did not affect the way that he dealt with those countries.

i thought that was a super strong defense of the president and there they were one by one trying to knock her down and i said why are you doing that to someone who is trying to help you? >> juan: so the rnc is running an ad attacking the hearings. here it is. >> this is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome from occurring next year. >> an imposter. >> he really should be punished. >> that charlatan in the white house. >> i am not running for anything except for the impeachment of trump. >> we cannot obsess over a second term for donald trump. >> if we don't impeach this president, he will get reelecte reelected. >> greg: that's a great ad. the people who want trump out now has always wanted him out. you can't take them seriously because this has been their narrative. it's like dating somebody new. would you take advice from the person you just dumped?

no, because they have too much emotional investment in the past, the emotional investment here is the hatred of trump. you think of pelosi saying something about being nonpartisan. she is like the real estate agent pretending to be objective when she gives you a tour of an unmitigated dump and saying it's a charming fixer-upper. no, this is a dump. i think this is going to be a huge boon to trump, we are already seeing in the swing states and it might be setting him up for a landslide. it's like when you watch a running back like franco harris or earl campbell going towards the end zone carrying seven or eight people, the resistance becomes the momentum. he is turning the resistance into momentum that is carrying him forward. that's a football analogy, america. >> what i thought was peeled back today was a really interesting illustration of how important process and old guard and new guard is to a lot of

these structures. i was brought in when i was a federal managing attorney to a certain office and eventually the house, but i what i was doing was inheriting an existing structure and existing process and trying to put a new guard in and it is a struggle that is really difficult to convey i think the weight of that old guard and the weight of the process and how strongly as we saw today from dr. hill who says this is the way that we are use to and the reason we is because it works. the question is whether or not the disruption of that process is in a way that they find impeachable. >> juan: you mean whether or not the evidence presented this week, the testimony about quid pro quo, the people say that's enough or not enough, what do you think? >> whether they find that in a fact-finding week that they have enough to go on. personally representing their constituents to make the vote would be the next step. >> juan: up next, more

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>> jesse: the impeachment circus wrapping up this week as the media continues to embarrass themselves over and over again. every hour contain some kind of bombshell or explosive testimony, but the next one really takes the cake. cnn's chris cuomo clearly inspired by my highly acclaimed moms text series, called his own mom on live tv to prove how easy it is to overhear a call like today's witness claims she did with trump.

>> can you just say hello? mom. >> she probably can't hear me. mom, can you hear me? >> yes, i hear you. say hello to dana. >> hi, mrs. cuomo. how are you? >> all right. >> jesse: that is gold. the best part of the coverage. chris cuomo is the master of the cell phone. whenever he goes for a joke, he is incapable of seeing that he is the of his own jokes which makes me laugh. but to your point about everything, and explosive turning point. this is going to be the day that changes everything. this is porn for people who lost their sex drive.

one of the reasons i think they haven't been able to persuade not only republicans but the regular american people is because you can watch these hearings yourself. you can see them. you don't need to hear cnn or abc tell you what to think. you can watch and if you watch just for an hour, you don't see bombshells. you don't see explosive testimony so you know you are being lied to you when you tune in later. >> dana: it's interesting because fox news has had tremendous viewership throughout this entire thing and not because we have been on tv the entire time even though i'm sure that's why they would like to tune in, people are genuinely interested. the results so far that have come back from public opinion surveys about how they are feeling about impeachment both nationally and in some of the battleground states has shown that the democrats are basically not persuading america that the president should be impeached. i don't think that means is not going to be a close election or it could mean the president ultimately wins in a landslide, too early to tell.

but i think most voters are thinking let's move on, let's fight this out in november of 2020. >> jesse: one of the reasons it is not a persuadable case, it is very complex, a lot of different layers, you have wmd, watergate, contra, you can explain that to an 8-year-old maybe not the monica lewinsky thing, but you can explain that to a very young person. you can watch hours of this and you still don't know what's going on. even people testifying don't know what's going on. >> juan: that's clear. what struck me today was republicans stopped questioning hill and homes. instead, they went to these kind of partisan rants and at the end, they were just ranting at the witness. they didn't want anything to do with facts. she didn't have a fact? >> jesse: she was tired the summer before everything was

started. the three she had a lot of fact facts. dana is upset. >> dana: i'm not upset. >> juan: she was a strong candidate. i think yovanovitch my strong. what fiona hill said is i am here as a witness. is up for you to decide about impeachment but she said i chose to go into the trump administration, here is what happened with my boss john bolton. here are meetings i went into to say you guys can't do this here, it is inappropriate, you are pursuing a separate channel and then hear how she was attacked, by roger stone, she is a george soros plans. this is just offensive. >> jesse: i think when she says i don't like politics and getting involved in diplomacy, barack obama. he lied about benghazi.

he spied on donald trump. >> juan: anything to talk about barack obama. >> here is what happened in the federal government while the viewers -- mainstream media was subjected to these impeachment hearings. what we did this week on wednesday, the senate confirmed, the first cuban-american woman judge of the 11th circuit which shifted that balance towards the g.o.p.'s favor and thus the third course that have been shifted during this administration. that's a big deal. a veteran suicide bill made great strides this weekend in a state that really matters in this election which is wisconsin, a poll says trump's head-to-head or has surpassed all of the dems that are leading and most importantly, the majority of voters they are opposed impeachment so when a state that really matters, no one cares about this. when not going to move on from impeachment because the democrats had a debate last

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>> they're going to have to do two things. defeat donald trump, that's number one, and number two, going to have to be able to go into states like georgia and north carolina and other places and get a senate majority. >> greg: maybe is not his fault, he did just find out he was a grandfather. then there is the cop pretending to be something she's not. >> i think it is unfortunate that we have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the democratic nominee for president of the united states who during the obama administration spent four years full-time on on fox news criticizing president obama. it's unfortunate to have the guts to go on tv and faced tough questions. maybe you should throw her in jail. and who is this guy again? >> i am different from everybody else on this stage. i am the only person who will say that climate is the number

one priority for me. i am the only person on this stage who spent decades building international business. i am the person who can do it. >> greg: did someone leave john kerry out in the sun? he would have been aghast. but at least they focused on child welfare. >> we should codify roe v. wade into wall. >> it is women who control their own bodies, not politicians. >> this is a voting issue. this is a voter suppression issue. >> abortion rights are human rights. >> greg: in case you forgot, abortion is the ultimate child care. no need for a babysitter when there's no baby to say. bottom line, you could have found more fire in a bag of prunes. impeachment either drained them of energy and intelligence leading them all searching for something to say to each other other than orange man bad. none of them laid a glove on the other which is good hygiene, but

you know what the debate stage really was? it was that cabin at camp crystal lake from friday the 13th and all those candidates are the teenagers making idiotic decisions. let's go skinny-dipping alone. above all else, don't hop in that escape and trump is the ever present jason waiting to pick each and every one of them off. he is they are on that stage even when he isn't. it's sad to think that someday, trump will not be president and the whole world will look like a democratic debate. but like jason, maybe we'll just keep bringing him back. let's look at the positives. i thought booker won. i thought that he expressed energy and brains. but do you think it's too late for him? >> juan: is not too late because this is up in the air in many ways. i don't know why you thought he won. you are saying finally, one of the democrats defended the rich because what he said was

elizabeth warren going after wealth tax on the richest 2% on people who have billions, said no, the real way to do this to appeal to voters as talk about wealth creation. how can we help you to become rich. but i thought he was pretty much a nonfactor early on. he didn't get much airtime. i thought if you are looking for a winner and loser scenario, i would say pete buttigieg who is now the front runner in iowa at least, i don't think anybody went after him. i thought elizabeth warren again, not that she made any breakthroughs, but she stood there and i think she occupied a lot of time, spoke a lot and bernie, i just don't think it change anything and as you look at the ratings, i don't think many people were watching. >> greg: it kind of just laid there flat. >> jesse: i was laying flat while i was watching it. i thought it was the worst debate so far. i thought it was pathetic, a bunch of platitudes. these people are unwatchable. and they are boring.

no one is breaking through with any clear policy, not even sound bites or sharp exchanges. they are talking about climate refugees. what is the climate refugee? it is too hot somewhere so you pack up and move north? these things aren't real things that people care about in this country. i heard biden's answer that first question but i thought to myself it's officially over for him. he had some dark energy going on last night. he looked medicated. bernie, what you see is what you get. we know, you hate billionaires. what is biden doing punching down to tom steyer? why is kamala harris punching down ted tulsi gabbard? they don't even know how to win elections. mayor pete is sitting there at 5'3" all polished, no one is laying a glove on him and he is surging and they're not even pretending like they know what they're doing. booker asked like barney, the big purple guy in the cartoon.

he is surprised at everything. these are not really impressive candidates, and i think this impeachment thing is actually enhanced donald trump's aura. he is out there besieged by enemies, killing terrorists and these people are squabbling over climate refugees. it's over. anything to add to that? >> i think that set it all. i felt like it was like when you see a sequel to a movie that just totally repeats the original movie and it is so frustrating and this is nothing new. >> greg: oceans 55. >> juan: what about when booker said biden must've been high? so you did watch. >> emily: i think it illustrated a little bit, but probably nothing that we didn't know already but who gets flustered and who would shine or could hold their own i would say against president trump?

>> dana: i think he is one of the only guys that is talking to the suburbs. understands the sus anxiety, he speaks to what he has idea for how to deal with their anxiety whether you like him or not, but he is talking to that suburban group when i think that's how he's able to maintain five or 6%. got to be the nominee, but he sticks out there and mayor pete seems to be the only one able to ad lib. everyone else has things that are well written out for them so they know when they're going to cue my line. was hard to imagine last night how any of them gets 270 electoral votes. >> jesse: interesting. but we are going to do it again next block. coming bad at the debate even democrats are calling him out. even a- (ernie) lost rubber duckie? (burke) you mean this one? (ernie) rubber duckie!

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support. whole range of people. >> dana: joe biden being criticized for those gaffes during the debate including for people in his own party. >> i wouldn't say he was a house of fire in any of the debates we've been to, and yet he kind of bumps along, mr. magoo his way through this and you keep worrying that he's going to hit a wall but he is moving forward. >> dana: it is true, he continues to move forward. his early state polls in iowa and new hampshire not so good but across the board who voters seem think that he is the most electable against donald trump. that seems to be what they believe. >> juan: as he pointed out,

donald trump is making the case for him and that phone call with zelensky, he says he wants dirt not on bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, he wants dirt on guess who? joe biden. >> jesse: those words were never used. >> juan: he didn't say biden's name? come on. it was perfect. republicans just blind to anything. i will say this, i love axelrod's analogy of mr. magoo his way through. but it is kind of baked in at this point with joe biden. people who like joe biden and think he can beat trump say we like this guy and we think he can do it. i will say at the debate, i thought the whole medicare for all things really was a moment because you have president obama saying we can't have revolution. we've got to have incremental change. bernie sanders comes back and says we have to fix a broken dysfunctional political system

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>> dana: somebody else didn't have a great day yesterday. deval patrick was the governor of massachusetts thinking about putting his hat in the ring so is going to have an event last night, two people showed up and he had to cancel that event. do you feel bad? >> greg: i feel bad for the two people. talk about picking the wrong guy. what are they going to do now? >> juan: i hope they don't talk about me like that. >> greg: to juan's point, which is right, there were a lot of points when i was criticizing trump for stuff he was saying but people accepted it. that was part of who he is. i will say there is a parallel, biden's gaffes which raise a certain wobbly this, frailty. trumps were he is rude, he is arrogant, whatever. and this, you don't know if he can lift his arm up and i think

there was a turning point there when the crowd is laughing at you and when your peers are laughing at you, that is sad and that's when you feel a little bad. >> jesse: the crowd was laughing with trump when he was doing that. >> emily: i think there's a difference between the lucid and lucidity and lack of it and then when you just have no filter. there's a difference and i also think that he may still be surging or trending leading nationally, but he is having a problem in iowa and new hampshire and still has a problem raising money. so at some point, these details have to catch up. >> dana: i feel like last night was kind of a wash for the democrats. was just a set up to december's debate which is right before christmas. i can't imagine it will make a big difference. you think because the criteria. maybe there will be fewer people on the stage. coming up, the, the best of

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you can eat lasagna off your toilet seat, i dare you. stopped comparing stuff to the toilet seats. is all a myth. greg told me to do something. he said if your phone gets really dirty, just go clear your search history. that's how to clean it up. >> jesse: did they not even know? >> emily: next topic, most of us like a good nap but should be allowed to be do it at work? band federal workers from catching the disease on the job but experts can say can be a good thing. you are working a couple of hours a day and you take a nap that's not a good thing. >> dana: if you had to sit on set for three days in a row watching the hearings and you should be allowed to take a nap. i totally think that's fair. even though i didn't set there the whole day but

martha maccallum did. she should be allowed to have a nap. >> juan: i think that's a great idea. how ridiculous? i see now they have rest areas in this office. i'm thinking for what? >> emily: were federal workers, everything is dictated. i think part of the issue around that is can you take time away from the allotted work time during the day that we are paying you for ten nap whereas the normal environment of a salary, you can nap. >> greg: if you are double shifting, you've got time. you are a mom with a lot of kids and you haven't slept all night, i get it. you are a young capable drunk, but other than that, no naps. >> juan: these new google and apple work spaces not only have nap rooms, they have places to go play, free food because they want you to keep working. >> dana: they want you to gain weight.

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>> dana: i thought that's a nice way to end today, ending it with a nice thing there. johnny isakson johnny isakson is retiring at the end of the year, had some health problems but has had a good friend in john lewis and said that serving the state of georgia has been the honor of a lifetime. >> juan: that was really nice. greg. >> greg: let's do this. i am there green. we can agree on the big things. there's nothing like a little guy with a lot of wood. check out this critter. >> dana: what are you talking about? >> greg: that is a tiny french bulldog running down the street with a massive stick. he doesn't care. he is little, but he doesn't let his side stop him. speaks often carry a big stick.

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>> greg: the french bulldog. >> emily: we know that parts of southern australia are under fire right now, on fire and we have to continue praying for all of the creatures they are because a lot of this habitat is the koalas. these dogs have been trained to sniff out and detect the koalas that are there so what you're looking at our kabbalah detection dogs hoping to locate some of "the five" hundred koalas that are in danger. lots of really heartbreaking stories out of there but the rescues are always really uplifting and wonderful and what is important right now are these dogs that are lending a part of the rescue effort. >> jesse: koalas aren't very friendly, did you know that? >> i love them. they are worth it. i can't stand this video. >> jesse: nobody gets saved, he gets saved. they carry him out. i saw that video.

relax, emily. >> emily: he did get saved, yes, i did. now he is eating eucalyptus leaves. >> juan: special report is up next. >> bret: just caught me off guard. good evening, everyone paired i am bret baier. breaking tonight, democrats in the house intelligence committee have rested at scenes this phase of the impeachment testimony is over and house members are tasked with creating and then a voting on articles of impeachment considering this the last scheduled public testimony in the inquiry. following the final two witnesses today. we will talk live with republican jim jordan who was a questioner of course in the hearing. in just a moment. president trump met today with several g.o.p. senators who may end up deciding his political fate shouldn't impeachment trial in the senate be necessary. we have fox team coverage tonight and of course at the