that is how fox reports on the saturday november 23, i am jon scott. i hope you have a happy thanksgiving. thank you for watching and we will see you again tomorrow. ♪ ♪. mark: hello america i am mark logan, this is "life, liberty & levin". how are you my friend. it's a pleasure. one of the smart people. i have been a fan of yours for a very long time. you are an institution at stanford university. in a phd in philosophy and written 16 books. i have seen you here and there in redmond of what you written

very smart information. that's what i wanted you here tonight. i want to talk about several issues, one particular, the president has focused on, early on and that is china. and you write about and talk about a second cold war and the cold war is with china and happening now. can you explain that? >> if you think back to the first coldha war, we learned que quickly from being the allies of the soviet union were to to be in at odds with them within just a few years and why was that. it was partly the territorial issues that the soviet union appear to be expanded in all directions. also soviet union stealing technology and stole the bomb design through spy network. in many ways the cold war was technological race, in the space race in the nuclear arms race.

fast-forward to the late 20th century for a time the united states and people's republic of china, a strategic alliance, 50 years agoan nearly sent in re kinzinger went to the boat coming too china, and as a went to the first cold war, is put the communist world to have the u.s. and china aligned against the soviet union. and from an economic point of view in the sense that the rapid growth of china in the early 21st century was very contagious. and it was all concern but more to china. in relatively recently as america begun to wonder if it has goneha too far in encouragig china. suddenly, china is not just a junior, it is catching up in assessing itself. not in terms of economics but expanding territorially, in the south china sea. and above all else, it is

competing technology using intellectual property theft to separate its technological advance. we have been in the early stages of world war ii for a while, but president trump wake america up. that's when his campaign began in 2015 and he started talking about putting tariffs on chinese imports,e the american was outreach. that's for 22019 and there's a bipartisan, that china poses a fundamental threat and not just an economic future but a strategic that. i'm a historian much more than a philosopher and i would look back and say the most important thing that president trump did was to change the direction of u.s. policy on china and wake the nation up to what was at threat. mark: as china goes on, is it a greater threat than the soviet

union? >> soviet union is a more rival, it claims that many liberals in the united states believe including the economist never got close and never got beyond 40% beside the u.s. economy. china by at least one major is a larger economy than the united states. on a current dollar basis it could take the united states in the next ten or 15 years. the soviets never got anything like that close in economic terms. in nuclear terms, china is stilr way behind where is the soviet union achieved power with the united states in 1917. but i think the key difference is technologically china is catching up rapidly and not just in terms of technology but in civilian technology. we all here every other day

about artificial intelligence. there is only one rival to the united states when it comes to such on a.i. and it is china. we hear that all the time about wall ways dominance about 5g network and that what respect you could argue china is not ready so i will give you one more. we stillll pay with things, we have checks, credit cards, if you go to beijing you will not see any of that anymore. people pay with their smart phones because china and financial technological terms has every overtaken the united states. when you look at technology china is far closer to the united states than the soviet union ever got. they were only able to copy military and they never got close. >> he mentioned a person, this is a problem, has his tariffs on china slowed china down, had an effect on china and a good thing

with respect american national secured? >> they have, they have slowed down china, not massively but let me put it this way, the cost to china's impact on the economy is roughly four times greater than the impact on the u.s. economy. conventionally liberal common essay this is crazy that the tariffs are not paid by china that's what the president says, tariffs are paid by american consumers. that is not quite true. some of the classes been absorbed by chinese companies with impact of the tariffs. but the most important cost is being borne by the chinese economy as a whole is a significant slowed down and that will probably grow to around 6.1% in the second half ofn this year. that is a lot higher than you'll see in any developed economy but relative to rates of growth that china saw ten years ago.

it's a meaningful slowdown. and i think that impacted, because what president trump is doing is using tariffs to apply trash under pressure to change his ways. trade representative robert lighthizer has been negotiating effectively to force attorneys not just to increase the ports of american soybeans, that's not aea meaningful change, he is pressurizingng china to stop the kind of systematic reading of markets in favor ofma chinese companies that are central to chinese industrial strategy. but the chinese joined the organization back it would thousand one in manyy ways i think it's at stake that we let them do that. it was t a mistake then enforce the wto rules on thehe chinese. you simply have the benefits

free-trade that are not allowing free trade to china. it's also a plainville in china and if you are any u.s. company but you invest or sittingng the, chinese will almost always have the upper hand and if you don't believe me then ask any of the u.s. major companies that have tried to make an china whether you're talking about google orr uber. i think the presidents strategy that free-trade is very nervous and i think any market in the free-trade -- when it comes to china, what the president is doing is using the tariffs to try to change china. and i think it has to be in the american interest to do that. the obama administration second term was in china's descendents he of a pivot to asia that did not amount to anythingsi and by the indent the time of obama's

time in the white house, he wasn't to say that china was going to be number one, what can we do, i think the president trump stood up against that and said we do need to do something about this. what is interesting to me, having started with tariffs, what the president m has done to achieve a sea change in attitudes right across to mecca because in the space of less thans a year i think the foreign policy establishment has come to agree with him. and so has big tech. so this is why i think it has the quality of the cold war and escalation from tariffs to try to affect china's behavior and trade to other policy measures strictly the export of sophisticated micro- processes and actually trying to prevent huawei from becoming the dominant player in 5g technology around the world and not to mention the pressure we want to apply in military terms to stop

the chinese turning to the south china sea into an area of their own military expansion. i haven't even started on one belt one road which is a chinese strategy for global expansion not just across all around the world. when you look closely at it, it is not particularly a pretty picture, it involves not just investment but also it involves establishing chinese power of a local government in ways that are not conclusive to human rights of democracy in those countries. china is expanding in a number of different div dimensions. the united states has worked up to the challenge and president trump was taken the lead in with remarkable speed democrats and republicans have fallenhi in li. we now have a remarkable

consensus in the country that china is a challenge and we have to do something about. mark: china looks at the long-term. our government really does not. elections have consequences, obama who did basically nothing. trump acted. democrats support what he's doing whether they say so or not as a policy matter. trump leaves, the question is you said this is a new cold war, is it too early to know, do you think this country strong enough to engage this war for the long haul? what do you think? >> i think xi jinping,ou china's president expects that china will win this war and think that china has a number of advantag advantages, not just the much larger population. also perhaps he thinks is stronger work ethics that impresses me when i go to china. but i think china's leaders assume that democracy is

outrageous. they have of course an extremely negative view of democracy and they would ever dream of you introduce an china, we just remember the tea on crush of cs leaders in the cold war, don't do with the soviet union did and don't liberalize. the chinese are optimistic that they will win this because they are catching up with us economically and because of our political system and internal divisions we are not going to be able to go. >> when we come back, your view, long view of history two. ancient and otherwise. how do you think we fair, do you think they win, how do you think the united states bears. ladies and gentlemen don't forget virtually every week that you can watch levintv, go to blaze tb.com/mark to sign up,

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mark: the question is, how do you think the united states fears? >> in world war i there was a striking bipartisan consensus on the need of expansion. it really took the u.s. from the years of her determine to london. it began to fall apart during the vietnam war. john f. kennedy ran for election claiming that eisenhower was too soft on the soviets and was famous in the u.s. dominance. if we can re-create that bipartisan consensus and persuade democrats that there really is a profound threat from china and we need to remain the pressure that the current administration i has.

if we allow ourselves to be divided, the democrats essentially want to refute his strategy then the chinese will sit back and wait for us to full. remember, one of the interesting things that happened in the first truck term was a major reshaping of the national security strategy, a colleague of the institution did a superb job in reconsidering a terrible national security strategy for obama that clearly identify china. if the democrats sign up and say yes we get it, then the united states is okay. but i don't think we're there yet produce a bipartisan consensus but i don't see the national security. one of the first things joe biden said with the democratic nomination when he launched the campaign, i relaxed n about chi, china is not a problem. if that's what he's going to campaign on the president trump

should win reelection easy. all the americans get surprisingly extent, people are working up to the chinese threat not just as a threat to manufacturing jobs which is where the conversation began back in 2015 and 2016, isaac american see there is a threat more profound and they understand that china is a one-party state, they understand it ist awkward to become a liberal democracy in the division, i think killer clinton shared that china was going to do more because of economics and our direction. i think all the americans understand that stock would happen in our lifetime. they also see that china is posing a technological economic threat aroundaj the world and there has been an awakening to the americans from the chinese threat. that gives me reason for confidence in what made america successful inhe the first cold r

was a fundamental commitment to individual liberty which meant americans wantedca their presidt to project strength again soviet union. and he was a one term president, ronald reagan took over in the most successful of all the cold war presidents. in a similar moment where people even if the leaks are being so, they realize and we have to win the cold war. you asked are we going to win it for sure, we are for sure going to win the first cold war, we lost against the soviet unions on more than one occasion. it's become a war later on, i'm not sure that the united states would have prevailed, they had more than the 1970s, they could would do the cost of the world war iii. we should never guarantee the wind of the col first cold war.

>> you make a point how history is driven by economics and we talked about economics and tariffs and so forth. and they had this notion of our history that the economics itself, what if in our society when you look back on history? >> and might come as a surprise, i spent much of my career showing the history is not happening of a process in which economic forces overwhelm individuals. i think it's just as important to ask questions about culture and institutions. civilization are not just giant economic machines that are shared values. our leadership is crucial to, w, need to remember in the 20th century it was strong vision that saved the west, they go

winston churchill played in the 1930s and 1940s, 1938 alone voice more or less opposing the appeasement of the 1940 in the prime minister. we save not just britain but we save western civilization. when one looks at history, the things that leap out his economics is not more powerful. and sometimes it is morale, culture, if economics predicted our worse outcome than the united states would've one the vietnam war -- >> in the context of china, how does china fare when it comes to culture inside the economic issues, tariff issues and so forth. does it very well orr not? >> if you go as i do to china and sit in the china a hundred

chinese academics, they began their speeches by saying their civilization is thousands of years old and has strength in continuity and therefore you knew these did not just create the republican 1776 should be inseminated. this is all implausible because in reality chinese history is a history of great turmoil, the biggest war of the 19th century was not the american civil war and any other war, rebellion of chinese history. but the most recent was of course the revolution that produced the communist regime and that was in 1949, a long way from being able to celebrate even the 100th birthday. i think if one spends time listening to china more carefully you realize they feel and security.

not with respect to the outside world which i think the quite confident they feel insecure about their own domestic situation because they know the evils over the years in the gross that followed, their legitimacy pins on growth. it's a fact that they've taken hundreds of billions of chinese auto policy that keeps the communistve party empower, not e ideological commitment to communist because everybody knows it's just something leadership pays lip service to. everybody knows the party has a become corrupt as a result of the enormous amount of money that is being generated. i think the insecurity there and that's the thing that we foreigners often don't know about china. mark: we'll be right back. ♪ atever monday has in store and tackle four things at once.

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force and what russia has is a considerable military capability and nuclear weapons. but because it is relatively economically weak it has to fight in the low-budget ways. information worker in other people's politics is a pretty cheap way of disrupting and that's something that the russians have been doing not only in the united states but something they tried in 2016 and other countries too, ukraine for example is experimenting. it will be very surprising if president putin at some point did not try to challenge nato as an institution. does not try to break the atlantic alliance, i think you must calculate there is a possibility he can driveha a wee between the united states and the europeans. particular in the presidency when the germans have such negative view of president trump. if putin wants to exercise that,

he may not have an amount of time to do it. i think we need to watch for russia trying it on and hope that nato does not rally. mark: what would this look like. >> it would look like ukraine when unmarked russian troops began violating the sovereignty of ukraine, can you imagine something like that, it would be combined with information worker and involve mobilizing the russian ethnic minority in that country. we seen the playbook before, the question would be when nato pulled together in an attack on one is an attack on all war between berlin and washington would answer andnd divisions. the other point to make about russia, remember, although putin has been aggressive not only in ukraine but in syria, the price of that has been an increasing dependence on china. in many ways the closest

relationship in the world today is between xi jinping, the chinese leader vladimir putin, they see very regularly but there's no question that putin is the junior partner. there's unnerving that there plane second to china, that is historically. those that have been rivals and enemies and came to war in the late 1960s. that's the odyssey about our world today, the russia chinass partnership. it's one that i think u.s. policy should be trying to break out. mark: how would you do that? >> even if president trump settles on trade in a trade deal between now and the election, all other domains, technology, the south china sea and other issues i don't think the u.s. and china's about to become best ease again. can the united states improve relations with russia? is there some way of taking this relationship between president putin and president trump that is been so controversial and

turning it into -- my view has been that the arguments about 2016 diminished in some useful and benefit to the united states and a dude think the problem alone is partly that were on a permanent war regime with respect to sanctions andnd other issues and also president putin cannot bring himself to trust the united states. i think the only way in the political situation is to improve relations with russia, that will not be easy. mark: it will not be easy because the democrat party with the russia collusion, russia collusion. >> this is a big problem i think the president trump has to try to figure out. between now and the election geopolitically, a change ofol te subject so next year we are talking about a situation

improving not with respect to trade in china, the situation improving with respect to north korea, we have not talked about iran, the president is smart and he will change the subject too foreign policy next year. this is what richard nixon did so successfully in 1972 when he was running against the democratic candidate. and he was able to unroll the breakers of which the opening to china was probably the biggest and when the election by a landslide. i do think there is much that can be done with respect to foreign policy to decide next year in a way that will be very, very difficult for the democrats from their weak position. the democrats want to have an election that is about healthcare. but if it's an election about foreign policy, i don't see any of the democraticbo candidates. mark: i want to come back and ask about the policy, have the

democrats held themselves as hard left? that is what the president is doing with the squad and so forth. so he can entertain the policies suggesting you are making here. we'll be right back. ♪ it's not just a cold if you have high blood pressure. most cold medicines may raise blood pressure. coricidin hbp is the... ...#1 brand that gives... powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure.

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congress like alexandria ocasio-cortez in nancy pelosi nightmare is that they are getting all the airtime and more airtime that they get, the more left-wing the democratic partye looks. aoc green new deal, i call it the green leap forward because to apply such radical expansion of the federal government over economic life that it would be more or less a soviet toy station of the u.s. economy and the end of the economy growth. that stuff is damaging for the democrats hopes and the 2020 election. too farave to travel from massachusetts or for that matter california defined the people take socialism is a dangerous thing. the only americans have a

positive socialism look his generation who are in college. the rest of america still thinks that socialism is a pretty bad idea and if that is the case if the democratic candidates associated with socialism than i think is a major problem. and trump needs to not do too much to achieve that. when thehe democratic party leas left it tends to lose. that's why i'm attracted to the 1972 analogy when the government and the candidate really stood for a leftist set of policies by richard nixon who ran on foreign-policy achievement, that would be my playbook if i were advising president trump. first of all, you make sure everyone gets how left-wing the democrats have become an including sleepy joe biden then you change a subject from domestic policies to

foreign-policy issues where i think they're extremely weak. mark: it looks like the democrats are trying to define him. there was a poll that showed the president was making headway in the african-american community, 22%, i noticed the news report democrat party looking for every upper t opportunity fr anybody who attacks him because of race even the most recent example in baltimore. so on the other hand, they're trying toth define him, do you think that will be successful? >> from the looks of the recent polling, there is clearly something going on that is alienating suburban women from the president and white women from the president in particular. i am not 70 who thinks it's a slamdunk that he gets reelected,

i think it could be tight, i think there's reasons to be uneasy in healthcare is the number one issue in some of the states including the swing states that gave him the presidency in 2016. i think the democrats are making a mistake by putting identity politics front and center in turn constantly to insist that trump is a racist and ultimately he stands for white supremacy because i don't think that's a credible argument in the eyes of most americans. most americans don't want to feel that their lives are going to be dominated by the racial question. so i think that's a mistake. the democratics and one of the obvious ones is this question of healthcare, in the end the republicans said it wasn't president trump's doing it was

their failure to replace obamacare and the minute they set to do that, obamacare with all its faults became their problem not a democrat problem. if the democrats want to make headway they should focus on the issue because people in america. more about that than they do about reviving. mark: are they getting that right? >> i don't think they are oddly enough. the way kamala harris has shifted her position back and forth in which i'm not sure what she stands for. after all it is hard for american healthcare, let's face it, this is an extraordinary complex system and it would not start from here to building new. that's the issue that republican candidates are most vulnerable. that is why it's a i smart strategy for president trump to emphasize foreign-policy issues.

the company is a funny country. the american citizens 1-year-old american citizen, the fascinating thing about this country there is not a meaningful threat that the division open up and away that is alarming. one of the benefits of cold war to is i think it helped fuel our internal divisions and when we wake up to the fact that the commonest that are out there that want to eat her lunch. mark: don't forget to check out most weeknights on levintv. go to blazetv.com/mark, please tv.com/mark or give us a call at 844 levintv, 844-levintv. we would love to have you over there. don't forget get your copy freedom of the press. we'll be right back. ♪ 24-7,

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the press. socialism versus capitalism. who has the upper hand? >> a great economist and socialism was going to win in the end partly because intellectuals and because the bureaucracy would be seduced by. the good news is, only 20 century socialism lost out. i think if you told me back in 1989 that the berlin wall was coming down in socialism would make a comeback 30 years later in the united states i would've assumed you were smoking an illegal substance. but here we are, democratic socialism, bernie sanders socializes with in the nomination. and aot in the pinup star of the democratic left, i don't think many young americans really know what socialism is. alexandra becausese your cortez said she saw sweden being a

socialism. and it ranks as a top ten as free market economy and you find out what they really mean by socialism is kipling student debt and freeun healthcare paid and ultimately to move the united states closer to a welfare state and it's ironic because very little of the states are delivering low growth or social democratic in europe, the train to revive socialism in the united states. i think it's mistaken identity and i think it's also a flawed political strategy. mark: is a hard to expand capitalism, socialism easier in a perspective? >> abc to americans are you in favor of capitalism, they say no, but if you savior in favor of free market there much more

positive but if y you say if you're in favor of small business there much more positive. i think part of this is a branding problem in more capitalism is a left-wing, it became popular mainly because karl marx used this and i sometimes worry that we should not use the word at all because by using capitalism were conceding is equality or parity with socialism. i prefer free market. this is about individual freedom and i believe what we learn from the 20th centuryai is socialist have economic freedom, they have to limit people's ability to control their own wealth and control their own income to achieve their own goals. when they try to achieve that they don't achieve it and end up with a corrupt and efficient society that collapses on itself. if you don't believe me take a trip to venezuela which is an example that the country has

been destroyed and socialism. when that was happening, the american left was cheering chavez on and reminded people of how much nonsense has been talked about chavez and look at venezuela today. >> capitalism, exactly what prime minister said, i talk about free market and capitalism because anybody can pour what they want to into that word. what is interesting to me, younger people tend to reject authority. socialism is authority, if we can teach them properly what free markets are all about we would win more of them over. we'll be right m back ♪ ♪ so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started.

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set yourself free with fleet. gentle constipation relief in minutes. little fleet. big relief. try it. feel it. feel that fleet feeling. mark: let me ask you a question i ask a lot of gas. where you see the united states and five, ten, 15 years. >> there's no such thing as a future, remember historical

process is not an inevitable thing, that we get to choose. i think america has a clear choice. itth can continue to reassessing itself geopolitically andca makg itself more dynamic economically. it can go down that route and prove that america still number one and will stayth number one. that is option a. option b, we can embrace a foreign policy in a domestic s policy that slows the economy down, weakens the united states as a great power and opened the door to a chinese century. that divides us domestically but weakens us internationally. as i said history is about choice, about c leadership but n a democracy it's about the individual citizen making the choice. we get to choose, in the next

five or ten years, i want to be in office, i'm an immigrant, have two boys and i want the next five, ten, 50, 100 years to be great but i'm aware that it has to be balanced and it will be good determined. mark: so is this a or b, at least it starts with the next election. >> it is that important, were told that each election is a huge turning point. this is a really difficult one some of my) to think of themselves as never trumper's who have been critical of the president and was not an early supporter of president trump but in the end have to ask yourself what the choice is and what the alternative will be. are you ready for the biden presidency, the sanders presidency, the worn presidency, that is the choice that we face and it's central to our democratic system that we have to choose now between perfection in equal but make it difficult

to choices. i hope we make the right one. mark: it's been a great pleasure. thank you. don't miss the next time on "life liberty and levin". ♪ ♪. jesse: welcome to "watters world" i am jesse watters. another hoax goes up and smokes thanks to the subject of tonight's word. the impeachment hearings are over, implore for the democrat face again. just like the last hoax, they lie to you again. >> this testimony is incredibly damaging. >> i cannot emphasize how exposed of this is. >> very explosive. >> explosive. >> it's a problem for the white house. >> gordon sondland's testimony changed everything. >> every fantasy about how corrupt this demonstration