will you be in the kitchen? >> i will be doing a little of the work. whatever you do, go out and have a safe and a happy thanksgiving. >> thank you for joining us here, have a wonderful holiday. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump ripping into the democrats impeachment push at a homecoming rally in battleground florida. his new official home state. the president calling the provo scam, making the case that he's being attacked for exposing a rigged system. >> i now the same maniacs are pushing the deranged impeachment -- think of this. impeachment. a witch hunt. the same as before. the radical democrats are trying to overturn the last election because they know that they

cannot win the next election, it's very simple. >> melissa: the president's latest broadside into the impeachment inquiry comes when the house judiciary committee announced its holding its first hearing with an open invitation from chairman jerry nadler for the president to take part. the white house saying today they are reviewing the letter about political reporting the president's team believes they are winning the battle politically and don't need anyone to show up. i melissa francis, katie pavlich, fox news contributor lisa boothe, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, i'm noticing a theme here. and joining us on the couch, david avella. thank you for joining us, fox news contributor katie, there you go. david, what do you think? how are the politics of this shaking out for the president right now? >> first, let's keep in mind

that we have a chance to set the tone for millions of americans tomorrow as they gather around the table to have a discussion, we can be good and civil here. two things, the calendar now is set up as such that impeachment has as much impact on the democratic presidential primary and the attention it takes from it as it does the general election with president trump. congress isn't in session one day next week, they are in session 12 days in december and there is no indication there will be a vote in those first 12 days of december scenario looking at january. the iowa caucuses are at the beginning of february. so this has as much impact on democrats right now as it does republicans and the president last night hit on a message that will be vital to him, and the general election. and if you ask independence with they most like about impeachment itself the democrats are trying to use it to gain a political advantage in the election and as long as he pounds on

that he wins with independence. >> melissa: jessica, i will let you respond to that because i'm guessing you don't agree. >> jessica: i like half a degree. not bad odds in the thanksgiving spirit. i have all liberal family, everything is always fine. there's a bunch of national polling that came out yesterday, holding steady at 50% that want to impeach and remove from office but when you look at the independents, which democrats need for that coalition to win in 2020, how we've been winning in the midterms and the special elections we've had, putting together moderates and republicans, independence, it's concerning. the marquette poll out of wisconsin was especially bad. the argument that this is the first part of an impeachment when we had bill clinton getting impeached, totally ridiculous but that's the argument they are going to make, the same thing they said about mueller as well and it's been consistently working for him.

in terms of the democratic senators, amy klobuchar, cory booker cory booker, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, a lot of people and decent position to win this nomination, they say they're not concerned but -- >> melissa: this is mark meadows response to all of this and how you might see it playing in the next election. listen. >> democrats have now issued more subpoenas than they've had bills signed into law. that fact won't change so when you start to look at what's happening, you are seeing that they are not really focused on the things the american people care about. >> melissa: what do you think? >> lisa: democrats are not focusing on the issues that americans care about and i think what president trump can do is go to voters -- sorry, my phone is going off. what president trump can do is go to voters and say look, i'm trying to bring jobs to america,

i'm trying to bring economic growth of the country and democrats are more interested in trying to hurt me politically and that is what's going on. it was faithless electors, eliminating the electoral college, russia, collusion, obstruction, if it's not ukraine at something else. clearly the whole game is trying to hurt president trump politically. >> melissa: i think we are talking about the argument each side will make. one thing that's clear, they've been sitting there ready to go for a while and that's something that would help a lot of different people. nancy pelosi and the democrats get the blame for that right n now. >> katie: nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are on the record saying we need a replacement to help out the labor voters we claim to be supporting so that's on them. but i want to get back to the house judiciary committee hearing they've announced and the substance of that, jerry nadler in his letter said they

will address the historical and concentration a basis of impeachment, basically the democrats opportunity to bring in legal scholars who agree with them in terms of what high crimes and misdemeanors mean and they will then be able to in their mind present a better argument about why what the president did according to adam schiff's hearing falls into the categories of some impeachable offense. >> melissa: on the republican side, former bill clinton strategist reportedly met with president trump last week to discuss impeachment, "the washington post" say he met with the president and other advisors in the oval office last monday and reassured trump he wouldn't be removed from office. while also recommended he traveled across the country like clinton did when he faced impeachment. in the task of measuring public support for president clinton during the impeachment process and crafted the administration's response to revelations about

clinton's affair with white house intern monica lewinsky. all these reports with a grain of salt, we don't know the source and it's not pen himself saying he had this meeting but n the sand does it seem like a good strategy? >> david: i hope the white house didn't pay for that captain obvious conclusion. joe manchin says he's not voting to get rid of the president, three republicans vote to say they are, this is going nowhere. and ultimately who is going to hurt? it's going to help democrats who voted against impeachment in the house and you already see it with congressman jeff andrew who already has a primary opponent. this will have as much electoral disruption on the democratic side. >> jessica: i'm not sure about that for house democrats, it's interesting that censure is creeping up. that's one person, there are hundreds of them on the record saying they want to go forward with the inquiry and take the boat. we will see if nancy calls the vote. mark penn also went to the

white house it hard to president trump about how bob mueller and the whole investigation was a deep state coup. this is not representative of democrats. mark penn and andy stein have nothing to do with the base of our party or where we are ideologically. >> melissa: i'm just wondering, do you think it's good advice? >> jessica: it's captain obvious advice. listen to lindsey graham, you see that video of him crying about what a good guy joe biden is and then you see he wants to haul him and hunter biden in front of this committee. how are you going to flip the senators, especially when people can now make the argument, what he did was wrong but we don't think it's impeachable. they have it removed anyone from office, that's just not what is going to happen unless -- >> melissa: what's the point? he did something wrong but it's

not -- >> jessica: that's what republicans will argue. i don't think that, i think he should be removed. >> lisa: have we've established on this couch, he's not going to convict the president. brenda lawrence made this point, everybody in the country knows it's not going to happen. the point of why democrats are going to this exercise is to hurt president trump political politically. even representative al green said that, if we don't impeach the president, he's going to win. they are trying to harm him politically, that's why they've thrown all these different things at him, collusion, obstruction, ukraine, they are trying to hurt him politically, it's obvious. >> katie: between a number of senators running for president who have a chance to win the nomination being pulled off the campaign trail in january and february just ahead of all the most important primaries to gain momentum, on top of democrats in states that president trump won and democrats who voted in those states in 2018 for democrats to

take back the house saying they are now going to vote for president trump, this puts democrats in a worse political position that it does president trump especially given the fact that the polling is going in the opposite direction and we still people, jerry nadler saying they are going to move forward with holding these hearings, wasting time and people continuing to tune out. >> melissa: jessica, i want to ask you something. do you on top of that worry about what it means for democrats who are running again in districts that they flipped or where it's moderate, do you worry about their fate? >> jessica: i do and nancy pelosi is worried about their fate, too. she eventually came down on it is more important that i serve the constitution then take back the house but we just got it and frankly i really like having some level of control. it's doubtful we will win the senate, it's hard to beat a sitting president, i imagine president trump will be reelected and i don't want to give up the house but at the same time, that -- my heart

believes that this president abused his power for personal gain. you call whatever you want, bribery, extortion, through any throw anything at me, i will say that what he did was wrong, he k congressionally appropriated money and withheld it from a democratic ally to satisfy himself and his own campaign. >> lisa: is that not a concern to congress or the country? >> jessica: an investigation into bre's mama, george kent sar everyone to be talking about hunter biden, joe biden like they are the president of the united states of america. >> lisa: you call it bribery, none of the witnesses called it bribery. the people who thought they were being told to do something even though none of them were told by the president directly to do anything are not the ones saying that it's bribery.

none of them are using the same language you are to justify the opinion that he should be removed from office. >> melissa: we are going to have lots more time to talk about this, especially at thanksgiving dinner which we are all having together. in the meantime, the anonymous author of a new anti-trump inside her book now pledging to reveal his or her identity. how will the white house respond? plus, new poll showing a major drop off in support for elizabeth warren but the 2020 democrat doubling down on her liberal message. what it means for the race and who is rising in the crowded field. >> i'm here to talk with people right now in iowa, i keep doing it all across the country because i'm not running a campaign where i have to spend time sucking up to billionaires. ♪ billions of mouths.

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>> lisa: new poll finding support for elizabeth warren sliding as the new senator falls to third place. a massive drop from 20% just last month. mayor pete buttigieg leapfrogging warren into second place, with joe biden leading the pack nationally. about warren playing down the results. >> it's the same answer it's always been, i don't do polls, i am out here fighting every day, talking about what's broken in this country and how to fix it and building a grassroots movement. >> katie: politicians tend to lie about a lot of things but one of them is saying that they don't pay attention to polls and elizabeth warren is certainly paying attention to her numbers

going down. >> david: the one she needs to be most concerned about is in the last ten days she's only been up in one poll in iowa and new hampshire which are far more important than these national polls we get to hear about every day. all of that said, here we are once again with the democratic primary caucus system in our party that says we we should get rid of the electoral college because one man, one vote is what counts. why don't they have a national primary? why is iowa and new hampshire getting to dictate who the nominee of the democratic party is? >> katie: that's been brought up a something that needs to be changed in the process of the way democrats do things. >> melissa: that makes a lot of sense and it does seem crazy. i'm one of those people that does not believe polls, i am pulled all the time, i am very popular because i am not affiliated with a party and when they call me i always screw with you, i am never telling you the truth just so you know going

forward. i will say the most outrageous positions that have nothing to do with each other head i'm not affiliated with a party so they are like "this is what we have to do to get independent voters." >> katie: jessica, she always has a bunch of plans for everything, is she explaining them well enough to voters? >> jessica: if you look at people's first and second choices and how strong their conviction was about who they were supporting, warre warren'se was not as durable as people were making it out to be. you saw that her supporters, only about 35% of them are saying we will definitely over them versus over 50% for biden. mayor pete is having a good moment and new hampshire and iowa there, only 4% support from african-americans, you cannot

win the democratic nomination without black support. joe biden or bernie sanders, we are not talking about it, he is doing really well. next-door neighbor to new hampshire, could take that, you could see a scenario in which we have four different winners or biden takes out nevada and south carolina. >> lisa: has her performance but substantive enough where people look at her and think, this is someone i could vote for versus pete buttigieg who is gaining in iowa, joe biden who says he has the experience. >> lisa: a correlation between the october debate, i think what we've seen from elizabeth warren is that when challenged she does not respond well. when she was being criticized by the president she released a whole campaign ad to tell americans that she is indeed not native american and you look at how she failed to respond to her fellow democrats criticizing her

and asking for an explanation on medicare for all, so maybe she needs to come up with a plan for losing. if you look at the iowa caucus. >> jessica: i feel if that will just come naturally. >> lisa: one thing that's really interesting if you look at votes in iowa and new hampshire, voters are still wide open to changing their opinion. this whole thing for the democrat nomination is really anyone's game. >> melissa: it was like that for republicans, too, it was a flavor of the week. especially in the early days somebody was always surging and somebody was always falling and you have the sense that everyone was going to have their day and it was just, could you keep it going? >> lisa: what about the question of authenticity. elizabeth warren caught on tape saying her kids went to public school, that's not true, questions of her getting fired over her maternity leave, questions about her 1/1,024th

native american status, are shes she having trouble with people believing who she is? >> jessica: she is with republicans, overall she doesn't have a problem with democrats. i believe it to be a policy thing or they are focusing on who they think can beat trump and joe biden, 50% of people think he is the most qualified to take on donald trump and that's who we want. >> david: where she may make a decision she's going to regret and only doing small dollar fund-raising, as voters start to pay attention much more and she is all small dollar fund-raising which is more expensive, you get less net dollars to put towards advertising, you have to pay to get those donors, she won't have the dollars the bloomberg has.

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our great fighters. >> melissa: president trump at a rally last night defending his move to intervene in the cases of three service members convicted of war crimes, including the highly publicized case of decorated navy seal eddie gallagher. the president framing the objections he faced from senior pentagon officials is coming from the deep state, this as some top democrats pressed the doj to answer questions about the pardon and rhode island senator jack read and the ranking democrat on the armed services committee calling the president's involvement in the military justice system "inappropriate," katie, what do you think? >> katie: we've been talking about this for days now, i think it's important to point out that this is not a black-and-white situation, none of these cases ever are and all of these men

had recommendations from bipartisan members of congress to get these pardons. so this is not just the president going rogue and issuing these pardons, there were arguments made on their behalf, they were relevant because the president follow through and one thing i think we need to put into context is when these things happened, under president obama's rules of engagement, the maiming rate of our soldiers went up by 500% and the casualty rate went up 70% because people were concerned that if they made decisions on a battlefield a lawyer would call them and they'd be prosecuted for doing their job. it's in the evidence, it's in the data, president trump change those rules of engagement so we will b be at operating so when t comes to the prosecution of these things i think the context of what the rules were and the law at the time is important in terms of what was done and what they were prosecuted for. >> melissa: i guess my question is, does it work as a political tool? if you give that his motivation

was good as he stands here and clearly uses it on the campaign trail and the way he's styling it, i will always stand up for our fighters on the battlefield over calling the generals the deep stage, how does that play? >> david: keep in mind, for rank and file, every day soldiers, whether they agree or disagree with the president's decision, no one is leaving the military service over his decision. secondly, for many americans this sounds like an internal matter beyond what their interest level is right now to be focused on. doesn't change any votes? no. but to senator reid who said, who said president trump shouldn't get involved in the military judicial system, perhaps jessica can give him a civics 101 lesson that the president of the united states is the commander-in-chief at the top of military command and the decision the president makes, whether you like it or not, members of the military will follow. >> jessica: this happens very

often, he said he had the right to do this but was it appropriate and was it just? and i think it is important that we all respect the fact that there is a military justice system for a reason that had acquitted eddie gallagher of a number of the charges. we are still talking about it because the president, because he had seen it on "fox & friends" became deeply involved in this issue, felt it was personal, i believe he saw eddie gallagher as someone who was aggrieved and picked out unnecessarily like he feels about himself, he thinks he's a victim, he saw that with eddie gallagher as well, connected with him through a show he watches regularly add to truth of the matter is here, the military justice system had done their job and eddie gallagher still did -- he took a picture with a dead body and now he's being turned into our hero for campaign purposes. the military operates in its own world and i'm very respectful of that in bringing this into politics in this way i think is

dangerous for the president. why should eddie gallagher be on the campaign trail? >> katie: it wasn't just an interview on "fox & friends," right navy seal has been advocating and petitioning the president for a very long time. so to say this was just because of a show in terms of the advocacy -- >> lisa: president trump is the commander in chief, he has the ultimate authority on this. "usa today" did have an editorial and quite literally it's at, do navy leaders have a duty to disobey trump? i think every day about the media and people working in the administration that prove president trump's point that there are people that disobey, that are out to get him, that aren't following his authority and that's wrong, president trump does have the ultimate authority on this as he does with most issues.

>> katie: accusing the president of somehow breaking a norm and reaching into the military justice system, president obama commuted the sentence of chelsea manning, right? he brought back bowe bergdahl in return for five terrorists. the people who advocated for these men to get pardoned, he was out chasing down bowe bergdahl and troops were hurt as a result of that. this accusation that this is never been done before in terms of getting involved is not accurate. >> jessica: as the premise of the conversation we are having, eddie gallagher is now being used as a campaign prop. that's very different that having a conversation about how the military justice system or what our courageous men and women who serve - -- >> katie: i think eddie gallagher can decide if he wants to be involved or not. >> melissa: a new poll may

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democratic voters support allowing all adults to the buy into medicare. if you go back to august 2017, the majority of of americans thought medicare for all was a good idea. speak of the more you learn about it, the less you like. i will start with the state of vermont, a single medicare for all system, so expensive, the governor said we have to raise taxes so high that they decided to scrap it. colorado, a swing state where voters got to vote on a government that's all, all parts of health care, rejected by voters. come back to massachusetts, an area that's been working in the health care area and put many proposals up for a single-payer system and every time it doesn't get out of committee because they can get democratic votes and democrats who run on the issue losing primaries. this is a losing issue for democrats. far be it for me to get in their

way, they should continue talking about it. >> melissa: 59% of democrats say they support it. >> jessica: hillary clinton was in support of it in principle, president obama was as well. the democratic primary is turning out to be about incrementalism versus revolution and we are very clear about what we can actually get accomplished. joe biden is running away with the health care issue because he saying improve upon obamacare and we will have a public option you can buy into. we fought so hard to throw away the games, i think it will be a complete folly and you see it really hurt candidates like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who wrote the bill. >> lisa: is that even a good idea in principle? >> melissa: medicare is great, people who have it love it,

people get four times as many services as they actually pay for. if there were a way to have provided it to everyone that would be awesome. the math on it obviously does not work. i agree with jessica entirely because what is so annoying about this issue is if you put some people who do math in charge of it, we could make improvements fairly quickly. you focus the government's money on people who need a lot of insurance, there are a lot of things that make a lot of sense that we could do tomorrow. no one does it, i think they like the political issue more because everybody gets elected on fixing health care and get booted because they didn't actually fix up at the fixes are right there on the table to be had. >> lisa: health care is going to be a big issue in 2020, where is this had a? >> katie: i don't think democrats can make the argument that fixing health care involves

stripping health care without making it illegal, that's what obamacare did and that's why people hated it so much, they took people's health insurance away, they took away people's access to the doctors they wanted, a bunch of hospitals around the country closed when they were promising everybody they'd be providing more care. the illegality part of it is a big deal. that's an economic problem in terms of all the people who work in the health insurance indust industry. say you want to buy back into medicare, there is an entire list of things that medicare doesn't actually cover. you have this insurance that you're buying but you also need another type of insurance or other supplement care to pay for things outside of it. it doesn't cover everything anyway and they are giving you more than you paid for the first place so acting like it's going to cover everybody or that paying into medicare is a good

option, it doesn't cover everything bernie sanders or elizabeth warren are offering. >> katie: melissa, when he went on tucker and described the financial ramifications. >> melissa: they are talking about getting rid of the whole entire insurance industry. all these radical solutions are not practical, not legal, but there is plenty of things that could happen right now that would make things better and it baffles me. >> jessica: we need union members to vote and they don't want to give up that insurance, they fought hard for it. >> katie: the anonymous administration official who wrote a book and op-ed is making a new promise ahead of 2020. whether the white house should be ready to go on defense, we will discuss it. stay with us. ♪

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>> jessica: the person claiming to be the anonymous author behind and op-ed ended and artemis tell all may not be in artemis much longer. in and ask me anything threat on reddit, they said "as far as

anonymity is concerned, i will not keep my identity shrouded in secret forever. donald trump has not heard the last of me." when he says "i'm not afraid to use my name." >> then say it, stop being a coward and just come out and talk to us about who you are, there's not a risk for retaliation. >> jessica: they may have signed an nda. >> katie: you are still violating it anonymously which is still cowardly. >> melissa: this way you keep it alive that is some big person. mike pence or something crazy. whatever. keep it alive that it could be someone can huge, in reality i think it's probably somebody we have no idea who they are, when

they reveal their name it will be the biggest -- >> lisa: that such a good point. come on. you thought somebody working within the administration trying to bring harm to his presidency. you've also got the durum investigation into the fbi, the doj looking at potential abuse against his campaign. when he says that it kind of proves his point. >> jessica: i will come to you, david, his or her decision to stay anonymous, replying on reddit "i'm not alexander hamilton ordered james madison by any stretch but i don't believe they were cowards for using anonymity as a tool. trump thrives on distractions and anonymity as a way to deprive them of his favorite weapon of mass destruction,

personal attacks." >> david: let's keep in mind what day it is, the day before thanksgiving, this is so out there i'm going to reveal my name and speculate on who it is. all that said, the news of the day drive so much now, who cares who anonymous is? look at this author possibly tell us about the trump administration we don't already know or could tell us something that would change our vote? the reality is there's nothing. >> jessica: we are a little over the year out from the election, what if this is going to be an october surprise us were going of the summer, they could have something bigger, right? david: think about all we know, what could come up that could change someone's vote? >> katie: the other thing, i always look at everything from a money perspective but this is going to sell a lot better if

it's a secret anonymous book into your point they are going to put everything they've got in the book in order to sell it so there's nothing bigger than what's in here. whatever it is. i'm not planning on reading it. speak t >> katie: i'm not sure if they work in the administration are not so i take back what i said. >> lisa: you are being very selfish and cowardly and if you're going to benefit from a guy you hate you should do it publicly. >> jessica: people don't lie on television. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez are reportedly raking in more money than any house democrat last quarter including speaker pelosi. including speaker pelosi. new signs of socialism in

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>> katie: an eye-opening new gallup poll finds socialism as nearly as popular as capitalism among young adults. the poll finds positive attitudes toward capitalism have plunged by double digit since 2010, now standing at 51%. support for socialism has remained largely the same, around 50%. if philadelphia" or op-ed arguing that capitalism and socialism have become meaningless terms, the author writing, "if you are a very openly socialist politicians advocate government control as a means of production, so americans respond with some form of socialism, it's not clear what they mean." melissa? >> melissa: a lot of opinions on this. [laughter] one thing that is really interesting is that if you look among young people, capitalism is scary because you are telling people who are 22 -- we all remember that. when you get out of college come

out of high school, whatever it is, "go for it, you're on your own. make your money, support yourself." it's a terrifying thing. as opposed to say to them, "how would you feel about a system or you're giving everything and you don't have to work and he won't have to worry about your rent? and said you can go have a nice time." other than being spoiled or whatever you might say, there is a logical reason why capitalism is frightening to young people. over time, though, i think it changes rapidly. they get their first paycheck and they see just how much of it didn't make it to them. that's when so many people have that rude awakening where they are like, "wait a second, i thought i was making this much an hour. why is my paycheck this?" and they look at the taxes that have been taken out and all of the sudden -- >> katie: just real quickly, since 2010, 58% of gen x'ers and baby boomers, capitalism has

improved. the older generation say capitalism isn't so bad when you get use to it, lisa. >> lisa: i'm 34 and i share that sentiment. to melissa's point, i can tell you, when i first moved to new york city and slide paycheck, i literally cried. i had to come by call my parents. "this cannot be right." the rent is too high on the taxes are too high, as well. its robbery. it is so offensive and frustrating. i think president trump nailed it and that miami speech about venezuela, because this was the line. "socialism is about one thing, power for the ruling class." that's the message about socialism that could resonate with younger people. this isn't about empowering you as an individual, it's empowering people you hate, which is the government. it's the man, it's the opposite of what they say they want to do. the two i thought they were about freedom? >> jessica: it's always a man, not a woman. [laughter] as melissa said, it's unclear

really what this all means. so there are many definitions of what capitalism means. elizabeth warren talks about just capitalism or democratic socialism. this week that i thought was really interesting about the share of gdp that generations have had when they just got out of scho school. boomers immediately had 8% or 9%. right now millennials have 3%. so they don't feel like even if they are working that they are getting ahead. when they say socialism, i think they just mean having an economy that works for them where they can have help with student debt area that health care is affordable and quality. i don't think of it at all as venezuela, about what role the government should play in ensuring we have a good -- >> katie: we are going to run on showtime. david, your thoughts real quickly? >> david: offered to get your child a dollar to go get your thanksgiving plate. when they come back, give $0.50 to their brother and see how much they think socialism, splitting up a dollar, is. [laughter] >> katie: or take half of the

turkey away. >> jessica: that's a reduction of what we are talking about here. >> melissa: but it's funny anyway! >> katie: we are back here tomorrow at noon eastern. here is julie banderas and for harris. >> julie: we begin with a fox news alert. good afternoon to you. president trump doubling down in his fight against the democrat impeachment pushed that of a high-stakes hearing. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm julie banderas in for harris faulkner today. the democrat impeachment probe is about to enter a very critical new stage as the house judiciary committee announces it will hold its very first hearing one week from today. president trump laying into the impeachment probe during a fiery rally last night. listen. >> the radical left democrats are trying to rip our nation apart. [boos] first, it was the russia hoax. total oaks.

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