♪ >> harris: happy thanksgiving, and thank you for joining us on this very special day. i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox news contributor, katie pavlich. executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. in the center seat, charlie hurt, op and an editor for "the washington times," also a fox news contributor. we say he is "outnumbered" on this glorious day. i love giving thanks on this day. >> charlie: i think it's the best american holiday. >> melissa: i agree. it's always been my favorite. this is my favorite holiday the whole entire year, i love it. my happy day.

>> marie: i didn't notice you are wearing a turkey tie! >> charlie: it's my favorite turkey type. >> marie: do you have more than one turkey tie? [laughter] >> charlie: i have a number of turkey ties, it's kind of embarrassing. i actually have a lot of animal ties. this is the sort of thing that kids give you. >> harris: the producer just said in my ear that we have to move on. [laughter] >> charlie: i concur. >> harris: all right. we are a little over two months away from the iowa caucuses on february 3rd. the very first time test in the race for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination. just one week after that is the new hampshire primary, and later nevada's caucuses, and south carolina's primary. former vice president joe biden, senator bernie sanders, and senator elizabeth warren are leading the pack, according to the real clear politics average of national polls. south bend, indiana, mayor pete buttigieg has also surged in some really state

polling, and all of the candidates have doubled down on their core campaign messages. here's a taste. >> he's risking total impeachment because of that. folks, look -- i think donald trump knows what is going to happen if i'm the nominee. [whispers] he's going to lose. he's going to lose. >> there's another way we can make some structural change in this economy. it is time for a wealth tax in america. [cheers and applause] it is a 2-cent tax on the great fortunes in this country. about $50 million. >> we are lowering the eligibility age from 65 down to 55. second year, down to 45. third year, down to 35. fourth year, we cover every man, woman, and child with car brands of health care. >> harris: meanwhile, president trump went after his potential opponents as disastrous for america. >> democrats are becoming

increasingly totalitarian, suppressing dissent, defaming the innocent, eliminating due process, staging show trials, and trying to overthrow american democracy to impose their socialist agenda. >> harris: charlie hurt? >> charlie: is truly amazing to listen to bernie sanders and that old montage, how far -- i don't think the party has moved that far, but it's amazing how far those politicians are away from barack obama. who come into this day, whether you like him or not, remains probably the most popular politician in america, and certainly the most popular democrat in america in history, really. they have completely walked away from all that. the agenda -- >> harris: why do you think that is? >> charlie: i think there's a very loud group of people on

twitter who reward people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, and bernie sanders, and elizabeth warren, for saying the craziest, most anti-american, socialist nonsense. and they can't help themselves. they run with it. >> harris: marie, i see you nodding. >> charlie: uh-oh, you don't agree with me. [laughter] >> marie: i sometimes agree with you, and all this thanksgiving holiday i'm going to do that. i tell candidates a lot, that there is an axiom in democratic politics. at that democratic voters are not democratic twitter. and democratic twitter is much farther left than voters who will actually decide this primary. some of them are pretty progressive, but they are not the twitter people you are talking about who are pushing some members of the party to the left. what will be interesting to see as we move into the new year, as you move into iowa and new hampshire, is whether those democratic voters who say they want someone moderate, who say they want someone who can beat donald trump in swing states, they vote for. is that joe biden, or are they

so worried about his age and maybe how on of his game he is? to the go to pete buttigieg? do they look at someone like amy klobuchar? i don't think they are looking at mike bluebird, but that is the fury of his case. >> harris: how about age as a benchmark? see her of that sort of fighting strength, that bloomberg might be a little more on his game. than biden. i think it'll be interesting. the democratic voter in the electorate is more moderate than what we see on twitter. played out with elizabeth warren's numbers in iowa? >> melissa: let me be the devil's advocate on that. i wonder if there has been a shift in our politics that is similar to what has happened, for example, across the television spectrum. now it's about concentrated enthusiasm in smaller numbers, versus what the broader appeal is. because it's that enthusiasm that gets people to the polls. do those moderates, who definitely exists, are they inspired to vote? or is it about the larger your

group is, the more enthusiastic they are, the more likely they are to vote? is that kind of what we saw it president trump? this idea that you think it's a small and vocal group, but it's a small and vocal group that goes out to vote and gets other people to go with them. i don't know the answer, i'm come to wondering. >> harris: katie, i'm curious to see you might be right about this notion, that it has very little to do with what people do at the polls. it's about connecting delegates. and who can win the electoral race. >> katie: right, that's the question about the nominee for the democrats and whether they can go into the states of a loss against trump and flew back to the districts that president trump won. i know we will talk about impeachment, but that's another consideration in terms of going into these places were the economy is doing well. the president has kept his promises in a lot of ways. how are they going to campaign against that, especially when democrats continue to argue that they are the party of the working class, of labor? when president trump has taken away a good chunk of that.

everything, too, that's interesting -- i was talking to a couple democrats this week and they don't want to vote for anybody. we hear on one hand that the base of satisfied with the field they have in joe biden leading the pack, but also when you talk to people on went on when they say, "at this point i'm not enthusiastic about going out and voting for anyone," which is why you're seeing people like michael bloomberg. >> harris: is that why you think michael bloomberg is getting in, charlie hurt? what is he look at it for more personal prison? he says sent he see something that's not there so he's jumping in? >> charlie: i think he is streaked down my thinking strategically about this. the big story of this nomination fight is that joe biden has run a terrible campaign. >> harris: he has run for president twice before. >> charlie: we shouldn't have been shocked by it but it's amazing how terrible his campaign is. the reason he is sort of leading a lot of polls, defying logic, leading a lot of the polls, it's because it's that lane he's in.

the land of insanity that is not socialism, and it's not anti--- he seems like a guy who loves america. when you are talking about socialism and stuff like that, you don't love america. he loves the mother country. >> melissa: those are the candidates -- a little commercial break here -- that marie's pac actually advocates four. the air of these moderate, america-loving, former veteran democrats, and i don't see that person in the race any longer. you advocate for a group of people who are -- they make a lot of sense, and i don't see that person in the race any longer. am i wrong? >> marie: you are not entirely wrong. it's really interesting, melissa. these are the democrats who helped us take back the house. she didn't help us take back the house is democrats. i think joe biden fits into that moderate mode. he cares about national security, he's not a veteran himself but he's not a great candidate. do your point earlier, i think you are absolutely right. voters look for someone to inspire him, and they can

forgive a lot of policy differences. we saw this with trump. he's not conservative on many things, but he made a segment of the population feel something. >> harris: we saw it with obama when he wasn't there on same-sex marriage. do you remember that? he had kin kind of a evolutionay path to that, but we have seen that. we at the these are people who have been able to inspire. so i kept the democratic party do that? i heard you say last cycle, that her lincolnton is the best candidate. you were in the "i'm with her" camp. >> marie: eh... [laughter] i want her to be donald trump. >> melissa: elizabeth warren inspires, right? >> harris: but not moderates. >> katie: and not the normal electorate. >> marie: this will be the question, though. i don't think we can answer the question. most his point is absolute last one. people don't do grooves or policies believing her. she is turning out moderates.

in a place like i will, if we see here as the second choice for someone voting for biden or buttigieg, that will be very interesting, because those are moderates who say, "maybe she can inspire enough people to win." >> katie: but she's not a moderate. [laughter] >> harris: we are going to scoot. now we are actually going to get there. pro-trump organization "america first" has conducted more than a dozen focus groups on impeachment since late october. before the start of those public hearings that we saw, and the inquiry. it found suburban swing voters were skeptical about potentially removing president trump from office. one pollster said this -- "these voters don't have any shortage of criticism of the president on personality and stylistically, but they are pretty happy with two or three or four specific things he has done." that could open the door for a possible g.o.p. strategy of appealing to those crucial voters by focusing on

president trump's policies and not necessarily on his style of governing. charlie? >> charlie: we learned this that congresswoman brenda lawrence, democrat from michigan, who supported the inquiry, has changed her mind. and says let's move on. i think the reason for that is that she went home, and she talked to constituents. this is not some swing district. this is not --dash obviously, donald trump stole michigan from democrats in 2016. suburban detroit, the area around detroit, these people care about jobs. they care about their income. they don't care about this nonsense. space >> harris: what congressmanlawr- you must have seen the numbers among independents. where impeachment isn't on fire anymore. there's barely any smoke there. those numbers are shifting. impeach and remove, i want to be

specific about that. what lawrence was saying that i understood, charlie, was to let the voters decide. let them decide. we are now so close to an election, which is something we had only really heard much of on the other side of the political aisle. >> charlie: not to let her off the hook too easily, of course, that's been the most important argument from the beginning. if we are going to have an election, obviously, put it back to the people. to be when she already there. i guess it's already there. >> melissa: i think censure -- i don't know, i think that will feel like a cop-out. >> harris: you mean what nancy pelosi is talking about? >> melissa: if you switch over that that, one of the arguments is that we did our job. i don't think so. >> charlie: there will be a lot of people who despise this president, a lot of debates -- those people are really enthusiastic about bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, who are going to lose their minds if democrats -- >> melissa: i think doing your

job is passing usmca, if i may. that's what doing your job looks like. >> harris: why aren't they doing it? >> marie: the founders wrote impeachment and for a specific purpose. the house built if the president wasn't doing a good job, he could be impeached. he wants wife nancy pulls out there with his idea of center? >> marie: i don't know if censure is where we'll end up. >> harris: democrats and talking with say they know but doesn't end up anywhere, than the messages he was at america's time. >> marie: here's the thing. >> harris: no? >> marie: no, i think with all the evidence, there is an argument to be made for articles of impeachment, and i think it will be. it's always been the senate. if there's any movement among senate republican censure -- >> katie: that's not happening. [laughs] senate republicans are not -- if house democrats caps get on board, and a woman i in the plus

330 democratic district from detroit says we need to back off impeachment because people don't like it and it's to political backfire -- >> harris: actually, what lawrence is saying that it's already in the hands of voters. >> katie: when there is no evidence to do so, trying to win an election based on impeachment and removal of the president rather than running valid campaigns and engaging in democracy, which the left consul he talks about, protecting the boat people in the process rather than removing him, as many democrats on the left have said, through impeachment. because if they don't do that he will win again. so it is about what the american people think, because the american people are represented by democrats and republicans in congress. that's why they are elected to go there and to represent what they do or do not want. >> harris: one second, i want to double down with katie for just a second here. we started off the segment by looking at the things that president trump could talk about, or the campaign could talk about, policy wise.

it should be based on what we know to get away from all this. to overturn an incumbent, whether they have the asterisk next to the name of impeachment. nobody things at this point the president would be removed. right? to overturn that is really rare in our american history. likely, he is heading in with little wind at his back. what does he do? >> katie: yeah, this gives the trump campaign an opportunity to focus on single-issue voters, one group at a time periods they can focus on the opioid issue, which he did in new hampshire in 2016. that was successful. they can work on getting suburban women back. they are trying to walk this line on the vaping issue, where they are satisfying suburban moms but also not alienating other voters who don't want that kind of ban. and they can continue working on the economy, things like the usmca for people in iowa and the midwest, where democrats are refusing to put it on the table. >> harris: all right, we will scoot. marie, we will hit you next.

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>> melissa: president trump of making the strong economy a central focus of his reelection campaign, and with holiday shopping season officially kicking off just hours from now, retailers gearing up for black friday have reason to be optimistic. as recent figures show, consumer confidence levels remain high. the economy is always a big focus in any election, and out of the 2020 vote, a recent fox news poll she was 49% approve of the way president trump is handling the economy compared to 46% who disapprove. charlie hurt, i'm surprised at 46 disapprove. >> charlie: you know, polls are always crazy. lefty mike i don't ever trust any of them. but this is exactly why we are talking about how the impeachment push looks so bad. donald trump gets to work on the economy come talk about the economy. people are feeling a good economy. you juxtapose that against all of this haranguing in the

house with impeachment, and it doesn't ring well with voters. i have said, one of the most surprising or interesting things to me about president trump's campaign in 2016 was how much it's the most issues-oriented election i've ever seen anybody run for president in my 20 years of covering national politics. the guy talks about issues. they get distracted by his style and some of the things he says, his tweets, stuff like that. at the end of the day, with voters care about is what he's talking about. in this case it's the economy. i think that's why he -- >> harris: does he talk about it enough, though? >> charlie: he can't talk about it enough. >> harris: that's the thing. you see a tweet, but there is policy and some of those tweets. they are not just shiny objects. that's how he's communicating. >> charlie: but people react and complain about the style. >> harris: they are reacting to some of what he is saying, too. >> melissa: marie?

>> marie: he often does get in the way of his own message, as we talked about. sometimes he doesn't stay squarely on message. he will be responding to impeachment a lot on twitter, and that does take up a lot of the oxygen. >> charlie: you can't point to a single position though my politician as good at messaging as he has done mikey's. he's personal about it, he sometimes vulgar, but he's very good on message. >> marie: but he doesn't always stay focused on economic policy, per se. two things -- the major economic numbers are very good and the president should talk about it as much as he can. there are some underlying things and places i think people are worried about. the tariffs in the midwest, wages that in some places have remained stagnant or not kept up with inflation. we also see in the election since he won, even if the economy has gotten better, voters -- particularly women and suburban districts -- have a deck of the public and message even despite the good economy, because they don't like you have a noise and the fact that y haven't fixed health care, and e

president trump style. it's an open question whether the good economic news will be able to make up for his loss as we've seen in 2018 and in 2019. the party is losing republican voters and suburban districts. >> katie: i think when it comes down to next year and the election, people looking at the choice and saying, "okay, a president who went an impeachment inquiry, because a bunch of washington, d.c., insiders heard something, thought you need something, versus someone like elizabeth warren who wants to just make my health insurance for my family illegal. we've already been through an obamacare did by stripping people from their insurance and also hiking up premiums. they are going to that choice. i think i know which choice they are going to make. they're not going to want democrats to be taking things away. also on the economy, the administration is talking about moving forward on a second tax cut. they are talking about doing something for retirement savings, similar, i think, in strategy to it pete buttigieg has done this week and trying to

get ahead of the conversation on social security. that kind of thing. we'll just have to see. democrats are campaigning on repealing the trump tax cuts, taking away thousands of dollars that people got back in their paychecks, and the president is going to be able to make that argument when it comes to a one-on-one fight with whoever wins the nomination. >> melissa: in the meantime, the tax hikes many presidential candidates have endured could eliminate up to 413,000 jobs. that is according to new analysis from the tax foundation, first reported in "the washington free beacon." that report finds the top democratic contenders plan to reverse president trump's tax cuts and hike corporate taxes, and that could have a devastating impact on the economy. an economist who took part in the survey telling the free beacon, "the corporate income taxes most harmful tax to economic growth, so it shouldn't be seen as a good option for funding various policy proposals." harris?

>> harris: you know, charlie, i'm going to yield my time to you. i saw you shaking your head. go ahead. >> charlie: it is just astonishing to me, to look at how far, again, the democratic party has moved to the left. bill clinton wouldn't have supported the stuff. i don't think under the gun that barack obama would have supported the stuff. were talking about out and out socialism. probably embracing it. it's just insane. i get that you have a lot of young voters coming along who have been abused by the colleges and universities they went to, they were never taught about socialism, they were never taught -- they think socialism is an economic sort of policy, which it's not. it's actually a totalitarian system for destroying people's lives and controlling every aspect of their lives. >> harris: well, there's a social aspect to it. >> charlie: exactly. >> harris: where i thought you might go is what you had said earlier about how far afield

this is from barack obama. i'm wondering, since it eventually was accepted it would just be called obamacare, why democrats don't start there and start with fixing. joe biden said you could keep your doctor. well, you don't want to start there. last night but maybe you want to find a few things. i'm wondering why that doesn't happen. >> marie: some of them are. >> harris: not the ones that are ahead, except for joe. >> marie: joe biden, pete buttigieg, who is top of the polls in many places, and not a medicare for all person, he stopped for a new hampshire now. i think that not all democrats want medicare for all. they actually want to take obamacare and fix it. when it comes to -- >> harris: so why are they gaining heat? why is it working for bernie sanders and elizabeth warren? >> marie: it's working in part, but biden and buttigieg a right at the top with them. this is what the top should before. the one you believe joe biden when he says you can keep your

doctor? >> marie: sure, i don't know. >> harris: you think it's different from barack obama saying it? >> marie: am happy with my health care but many people aren't. this is a bigger -- to charlie's point, this is a bigger conversation in this country. whether it's health care or taxes, the fact we have huge income inequality. the tax cuts for the middle class were not permanent, and the idea of a second is pure fantasy. how do we address this? i'm not saying elizabeth warren's right, i'm saying president trump isn't either. >> katie: the federal government is taking in more tax revenue that it ever has in its spending way too much money. the answer is to not continue to take money from hardworking people, it's a cut programs that are not necessary and wasteful. when it comes to health care in this country, let's not forget that in 2010, how horrible and awful it was for families and individuals have a health insurance and the doctors completely ripped away from them on the government made what they had before, which actually liked, illegal.

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here. while the survey found nearly 60% of american women would be comfortable with woman in the oval office, fewer than half of all men, 49%, felt the same way. these findings, some of the female 2020 contenders like elizabeth warren, kamala harris, amy klobuchar, have alleged a gender double standard specific to war in there. listen to amy klobuchar recently taking a shot at pete buttigieg. >> of the women on the stage, and focusing here on my fellow women senators create senator harris, senator warren, and myself. do i think we would be standing on that stage if we have the experience that he had? no, i don't. ab we are held to a different standard. the one melissa, on this couch i'm going to guess that you've interviewed probably more female ceos than all of us. what is the big divide difference, as you look at this, between running something vague and running something else big?

we hire basically a chairman. donald trump. >> melissa: i'm surprised by the survey. again, it makes me doubt polls and surveys and all those kinds of things, because i'm just surprised that not as many men are comfortable with woman running the country. in terms of ceos, i know that women ceos are very effective and very effective on boards a lot of times because they are more comfortable collaborating. they are more comfortable hearing from different points of view and putting them together, letting lots of different people have a voice. and it makes for a workplace where you bring more ideas to the table and you can kind of synthesize them together to come up with a solution. women ceos are very effective. i don't know why women presidents would be really effective, or why people would be comfortable with that. >> harris: i don't want to throw the only dude under the bus. [laughter] but i'm curious to know why fewer men are comfortable with this. because i know who runs your household! you live with a bunch of women!

>> charlie: that's right. all i want to say is that i'm totally in favor of women. >> harris: married to only one, by the way. >> charlie: i'm in favor of women being ceos, and being presidents. the problem is the shot that we had was hillary clinton, and she ran as --dash i am woman, vote for me." it's a terrible campaign. you put margaret thatcher running from the united states, she would clean up. i would get behind that one, but i'm very in favor of women. >> you are agreeing with him again! >> marie: i love that you brought up thatcher, because i also was going to bring up margaret thatcher. there's a whole school of thought that the first female president will have to be someone seen as very tough on national security. the numbers about commander in chief particularly, male voters come up they want to feel comfortable. margaret thatcher, golda my year, the strong women to have led countries have national security experience. there are some democrats who think someone like nikki haley,

for example, would be a very formidable first female president, because she is seen as having that -- in some ways it's ironic because hillary clinton is much more of a hawk than many democrats, but she didn't run a good campaign for many reasons. >> harris: we saw someone like ambassador haley, she was formerly a governor so we know she has run a state. but she handled her u.n. business like a boss. >> marie: i agree with that totally. >> harris: the men from other countries, she did it. >> katie: put that on the record. margaret thatcher and nikki haley aren't running because that is not running, but they aren't making any statements about who they are because they are women. they don't think people should vote for them sadly based on their gender. they want people to vote for them because they can get the job done, and they don't pull the victim card of, "this is going well for me and therefore its discrimination" they say, "b to appeal to more people and to appeal to men and listen to their concerns about why i'm not

capable of being commander in chief?" i think that gets you a lot farther along than throwing up your hands and saying, "what "woe is me, i'm woman." >> marie: but we can't ignore the sexes and that still exists in politics and the media. >> charlie: the victim card, when i look at the women in my life, they are the strongest woman i know paired with her as my mother or my wife or my daughter. all of us sitting here. all of you sitting here. >> harris: he was going to get there! >> charlie: there is no victim streak in any of them. >> katie: you did really well today, charlie. >> harris: thanks, charlie. >> charlie: i feel like a long tailed cat in the room full of rocking horses. >> marie: i have no idea what that means. >> harris: you can bet parents will go big for the latest tech for their kids. but you those parents have a handle on just how much time their kids are spending with online video? the eye-popping numbers, and what they may mean, next. ♪ our members shop a little differently.

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♪ >> melissa: some pretty amazing numbers in a new survey of how much time teens and terrines spend watching online videos, and of course it comes as many parents are gearing up to buy their kids the latest tech in tomorrow's black friday sales. in nonprofit advocacy group finding the percentage of young people who say they watch online videos every day has more than doubled since 2015 from 24% to 56% among 18 to 12-year-olds, and from 34% to 69% among 13 to 18-year-olds. guess don might get this -- tweens are on their screens just under five hours a day, while teens spend an average ofn and a half hours a day. wow, those are big numbers. the survey also finding that 53%

of children have a smartphone by the age of 11, and more than two-thirds have one by age 12. those are very staggering numbers. of course, one of the big differences is, i find it my household, they don't really watch television very much anymore. that what they want to do is watch whatever it is on their screen. i'm like, "watch television!" [laughter] >> harris: particularly those great little house reruns. i'm sincere about that. in my household, we have a total screen limitation. it doesn't matter which screen you choose, except for the homework stuff they have to do on a certain laptop that comes from the school or whatever. but even that has limits. you got to do your homework when you get home if you want have anything else. we also don't have personal screen time during the school week. friday at 5:00 until sunday at 9:00, you get a certain amount of time. it has gotten more now that there are ten and 12, it's going to be a little bit more time.

but it's never north of four hours for all of that combined whether it's tablets, small screen, watching melissa on "little house." [laughter] >> charlie: it's really terrifying to think about the power that all these devices have. they can really capture a kid's brain. i think it is so important to make kids go outside to come and teach them to hunt, teach them to fish, enjoy nature. even if -- i would rather expose my children to dangers then shelter them. i would rather them get out and go outside and get hurt, get dirty, whatever. these devices. >> harris: katie just gave me the eye. [laughter] >> katie: that was it. we didn't have cable or satellite until i was a teenager paid the only show that was on was "xena warrior princess "and

"hercules." [laughter] we had limits. i admire you, various , in this modern age to be able to limit the phone. i think about teachers of the deal with the smartphones in the classrooms, the discipline that goes along with that. i think the internet has given the world amazing opportunities and knowledge, but i also wonder and worry about it being a lack of nutrition. nutritional value for your brain and not really -- watching all day but not actually learning anything and it being too surface-level. messing out on the world around you. and social skills. >> melissa: that's a big one. >> marie: it goes for adults, too. a few years ago at lent i stopped looking at my phone before got in bed. you sleep better, it feels good. >> katie: good idea. >> melissa: i like that. sounds like a new year's resolution. the holidays are a time forgiven, but the number of people actually donating their hard-earned cash has changed over the past two decades. how and why had

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>> harris: charitable giving has fallen this millennium, with just more than half of american adults donating in 2016. that's down from two-thirds in the year 2000. that is according to a recent analysis from indiana university's philanthropy school and vanguard. the authors of the study are noting some factors for the decline, which include a drop in religious participation, which tends to drive charitable giving, lower income households still recovering from the great recession, and millennials in particular giving less of their income to charity. at least partly due to the recession that began in 2008. katie? >> katie: yeah, look, i think charity is not simply defined by the money that you give. i think a lot of people and give their time. money is not everything. i think as the charity industry has expanded there has been a lot of fraud and there have been questions about where this money is actually going. also, the bigger the government is, the bigger they say they are providing all of these things to everyone in the world, people, for their hands up and go,

"well, why would i donate money when they are taking it out of my paycheck and providing in any way?" that might not be actually what they're doing but that is the perception. that certainly plays into it. >> harris: charlie? >> charlie: the numbers among young people who embrace socialism, it is so alarming, and one aspect of that is that if you believe in socialism you don't believe in charity. you believe, "okay, the government takes care of everything, i will get my money in my pocket and spend it on me." >> marie: i'm so impressed how you both worked in socialism and big government into charitable giving. i was like, "how are we going to make this clinical?" i'm impressed of my colleagues being able to do this. [laughter] i just think the philanthropic organizations are changing. we all see the facebook fund-raisers now, people do them on their birthdays for their favorite pet cause. or many of us do. it is a kind of organizational model that is changing from what we used to do. people used to give through

church primarily, or their religious institutions. now there are always ways to do it online. there giving -- what is it, giving tuesday that is coming u? it's part of the thanksgiving's tuesday. there's a whole movement online about this. the changing industry in many ways. >> melissa: i think one of katie's points was good about the kids. you talk about how people want to do something as opposed to being just about money. my 9-year-old said to me recently, we are seeing more homeless people on the street in new york these days, he said he wanted to do something about it. i said, "we do this, we give to this." he said, "no, i want to do something myself." and he wanted to go volunteer at a soup kitchen. it was a beautiful thing, but it was kind of the way that we all talk about it more at church and at school, about doing something versus giving money. i think that's a great point and could be some of what's behind this. i hope. >> katie: americans are still the most generous people in the world, whether it's with their money or their time.

>> harris: sweet spirit, you ask mike before we say goodbye to you on this fine holiday, let's go around the couch and say what we are more thankful for on the succeeding. you can do this at home, too. katie will go first. >> katie: my dog, i'm very grateful for. my husband, my family, my parents, my brother. and to live in america. i say the same thing every year. i was grateful for every daggett to be here. enter my job, so thank you. >> marie: i agree. also for the health of my family. it's one of those things we take for granted until we don't have it. it's really important. and for the undefeated ohio state buckeyes football team. [laughter] i'm sorry, i had to get that in there. i am deeply grateful for them. >> charlie: shameless. [laughter] it starts with family. i'm grateful for each and every one of them. as katie said, i'm grateful to have been born in this country. it's an amazing place. obviously different people have different challenges, but

everybody that wins the lottery by being born in this country can accomplish absolutely anything they want to accompli accomplish. that is a great and awesome thing, and we should all be grateful every day of the year for that. >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: i am most grateful for my husband. i know that sounds sappy, but he is a tremendous partner and a terrific dad, and he is both strong and kind in a way that i don't think i've ever seen before. i just feel very locally. >> harris: so sweet! my dad is here for thanksgiving. he will be with us here for a week, and around this time we lost my mother not long ago. so thanksgiving forever will have a different meaning for me. it's always been about family. with my dad here, he reminds me of what it really means to be loving, patriotic, patient. all of those things. especially as he watches my mothering skills. [laughter] "we need grandma shirley back!"

i am grateful for him, and i'm grateful for all of you for watching us and giving us a reason to sit here today through friday, noon eastern. we are very blessed by you. have a great thanksgiving holiday. "outnumbered" will be back at noon eastern tomorrow. there's a company that's talked to even more real people than me: jd power.

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