>> all right bill hemmer. >> did you get your christmas list together? >> oh, yeah, sign, sent and delivered. >> harris: a fox news alert as a impeachment battle enters a new stage, president trump today doubling down on his criticism of democrat impeachment investigation depending his taking part in the hearing on wednesday and attacking chairman jerry nadler over the timing. >> president trump: the do-nothing democrats decided, this will set up a year ago. this was the exact time and this is one of the most important journeys and for them to be doing this and saying this and put impeachment on the table

which is a hoax to start off with, if you notice there was breaking news today. the ukrainian president came out and said very strongly that president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. >> harris: this as the democrat led house impeachment committee, and president trump's press conference in london scheduled just 30 minutes after the start of the hearing. this is outnumbered and i am melissa francis. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, syndicated radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall and in the center seat today, c here in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation, christopher bedford. and he is "outnumbered." christopher, there is something to that one may see the president on the world stage. democrats do like to get together in the house or in

congress somewhere and roll out something like this. >> when he has been abroad, that whole norm, and he doesn't attack his political opponents while abroad, that's just out the window. >> all the rules are out the window though. >> there is no reason for the president to attend the hearin hearings. none of this, these are historians and there is no fact witnesses coming forward to so, what good is except actually sending white house as lawyers, they are delaying a trip to visit our nato allies so you can cross-examine a historian? they should have held this in a think tank. we don't really know who will be there. let's listen. >> we don't even know who their witnesses are yet. we don't know how to prepare.

we've asked for fairness and would not got an answer back on that. this is just another sideshow. >> i would say the sideshow comes from the flip-flop on the white house. the white house wanted to be a part of it and sent to the white house hearings, and now it's like we are not going to legitimize this further. here's the problem, if we truly want to be exonerated, or if you truly say look. it is no problem here or obstruction of justice, there is absolutely zero impeachable offense, then send the documents that are requested. and, i'm wondering if articles of impeachment are brought forth. if the house does look to impeach and there's a trial in the senate, are they going to try that then, too? >> they've been demanding people come forward and slowing down whatever the president is trying to do.

wouldn't you also be tired of the constant calling for people to come forward and saying, as opposed to passing usmca? >> i would be tired because, i would give them everything. i got other stuff to do, more important things to do next. and they haven't done that. the timing on this to me, it has nothing to do with nato honestly. the time and with this, if you look at this, how many senators are standing on the democratic nominee stage for the 2020 election and have to be present if there is a trial in the senate. that's actually what democrats are actually comic also calling for. >> i think you are right in that the president does need more room. in congress, democrats have shown that they can't do both at the same time. they can't handle impeachment and they can also handle issues like structure. immigration, and they can be so

single-minded, they should have a team that's talking about messaging, and strategy and how to best comport themselves if, in fact, the white house lawyers or the president himself which i would love to see goes to one of these impeachment inquiry hearings. let's talk about nato. democrats could put this off if they wanted to, and the reason we are here is because russia is such a bad actor. every neighbor in europe is so vulnerable, they need protection. that is of the utmost importance here in the country and internationally. if that's the case then hold back and let all of those allies talk about how best to -- because russia is the worst and united states has to be at the helm, then let the president do that. >> kennedy: it but i would say about walking and chewing gum at

the same time -- >> they can how many bills are sitting in the senate graveyard? >> maybe it does not count for doing the good work of the nation. >> some of those have the legitimate paths forward through the senate but as kennedy pointed out, some of them were written. we don't have that compromise. i haven't read all 300 plus and i don't think you have either. so kennedy is talking about something you here, criticism from the white house about not having any dedicated war room. they needed it on going forward with those members in the senate that will be caught up on the senate trial portion of impeachment, should it pass the house as an inquiry. i haven't heard any democrats. so i'm wondering why there isn't more of a circular motion with

democrats to keep the messaging type which would also allow you to look at you mca other than a win for the president. joni ernst in iowa, her people, her farmers need this so desperately. this is not about giving a win to the president. it looked like there would be some compromise. it's not about trade, but economy. >> the same could be said when you are looking into universal background checks. >> harris: but we are not talking about that. if democrats had a war room type situation maybe they could do that gum chewing on walking and all that stuff, maybe it would be very tasty gum because they could get that done. >> leslie: there are still not the protections for labor that democrats want from a lot of the people in their base and i'm not just talking about unions. it's not -- that's not the only

industry that could be affected by this. >> but it's a better view for them then it was before. there is no one who is worse off, maybe it's not perfect but there's no group in the u.s. that isn't better off. it seems like for the american people, everybody on both sides would get together and get this this thing done. >> but anyone who is elected left or right has to listen to their constituency and in california -- those constituents have a lot to say about doing more business in canada and mexico and they would love to have a deal done. but they could have some economic security. >> before we go to break, did anyone encounter anything over thanksgiving the didn't have the mind made up about impeachment? >> i don't think there's anyone left. >> they are wondering if this is still going on and if the countries don't have to do without their christmas,

merry christmas. he was impeachment. have a great time. it's amazing how bored with a lot of this that people are. >> harris: i very true, i've encountered people who just want the voters to decide. >> melissa: no malarkey. it's a phrase that joe biden has used for ages, will it raise his slumping numbers in iowa? plus the former iowa lawyer that spoke out. why now? and is a lisa page right to say she did nothing wrong? >> they were actually undermining the president and undermining the campaign and undermining the department of justice, and people with actual faith in their in their department of justice. [ applaus]

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>> harris: former fbi agent lisa page who exchanged text messages with peter strzok is speaking out for the first time publicly. page now defending her conduct and saying president trump suites and comments attacking her are like a punch to the gut. detailintelling "the daily beass also very intimidating, and when the president accuses you of treason by name despite the fact that i know there is no file the mobile way that i've committed any crime at all let alone treason, he is still someone in a position to actually do something about that. to try to further destroy my life. it never goes away or stops, even when he is not publicly attacking me." this comes days before the expected release of the now much anticipated inspector general's

report on possible fbi misconduct and the russia probe. but page says, that's not why she's breaking her silence. she says it was the president mocking her and her affair with peter strzok at a recent rally. christopher? >> chris: i read that piece, i suffered through that piece. it was a terrible read and i can't imagine how she actually with a straight face goes out in public and says i am the real victim. and then i re-watched the clip that she claims she was victimized in, and i didn't read into it nearly as much. she said the tweets have been tough on her about what was amazing was the interview. i thought about the people that were most poorly impacted by her decision which would be her children, her husband and her family. they did not come up, it was all politics and i was right and the president was mean. i do think what pushed her over the edge of us trying to get this information out before horowitz's report. as i already said previously,

there was a sign she was taking action. she claims that she feels and, what do you say about that? >> she's absolutely right. i think it has to be very nerve-racking to be in that position but having said that, some of the things that she said about the president, that's a position that she and eight are struck and annie mccabe were in during the campaign and after the election. they were in a position where they could actually have an effect on and the outcome of the election. when you are going back and forth saying things like, go easy on hillary clinton, she could be our next president, she could be our boss. the term was that she used, that was having a direct effect. you read the claims that she just said and some of the defenses, you could insert the

president because he's the one that also claims they could have an effect on the job that i was seeking and the outcome. if that's what she is upset about it, you can't complain about the current when you are swimming in the deep ocean. >> she was in the thick of now what we term is, was their bias by the fbi? because of those text messages. i want to let you see something that lisa page weighed in on. the state of the justice department saying "it's crushing to see the noble justice department, my justice department, the place i grew up in, feel like it's abandoned. that's a principles of truth and independence. >> that was her. that's exactly what she's being accused of and what it looks like in her text messages and i can't believe -- she would say it's tragic. she must feel bad about having done that herself. because as you look in her text messages, i want to know what the insurance plan was. i want to know what they were

talking about. she can't have an affair with her coworker, they are on the same team, it opens her up to all kinds of black male and everything else, there are rules for that. i'm sure it's humiliating for her now that it's out there and i feel bad for that. >> i'm sure there's collateral damage there. >> i'm sure it's intimidating and unfortunately she brought it all on herself. she said she doesn't remember what she was talking about, i want to know what the insurance plan was. >> leslie: she shouldn't be attacking an individual even if the individual saying something against that. she should be presidential, and this woman was completely wrong. first of all, she committed adultery, she had an affair and that's reckless and irresponsible. the text messaging, you can hate

your boss in text like this but in the position you are in, this is a president of the united states or could be the president of the united states at that point. that is irresponsible but it's not criminal and the inspector general so far hasn't said that. >> melissa: the insurance plan could be criminal. >> harris: so what was the insurance plan. was there some sort of internal with connective tissue effort to keep this president or any president out of office? >> and that's why i can't wait for the horowitz report. and they would expose exactly what was done, in a way that hasn't been done since lbj was around. one of the things that really struck me about her interview here was, there is so much woe is me and why did the fbi protect me, why didn't they issue a statement. she looks at this as, the fbi was part of a team and even if

across america, why didn't they rally behind me? it's that kind of loyalist attitude and then she says they sold out their principles. it's her department of justice. >> they were doing this on their work devices. >> they are not victims, they were being very reckless on devices that were essentially scrubbed. after the beginning of the mueller report. so we don't really know the full picture. i don't need to see the lurid aspects of the exchanges but i do think there was a lot that was questionable here. the problem is, these are all people who claim to be boy scouts and girl scouts in her case, and they said that they were the people who were going to save us. they were the captain america's, they were given so much power and so many tools that were so easily compromised. if the evidence manifested in this report that that we were about see one week from today,

and i don't care if it's republican or democratic or independent. they should not have these type of tools. >> harris: just to help your twitter out. and i mean that in a joking matter. >> melissa: . [laughs] >> harris: the former acting ag matt whitaker will be along with me on "outnumbered overtime" with his case on lisa and her accusations. evan buy on the state of the democratic field and steve helton, yes, of "the revolution" on whether we will see fireworks at the nato summit. the president is on his way there. 1:00 p.m. eastern right here on the show. but first here, big social media reaction after joe biden kicked off his "no malarkey" bus tour

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♪ >> harris: a fox news alert, the trump campaign announcing it will ban "bloomberg news" from its events. last week, the organization announced it would not investigate michael bloomberg or his democratic rivals during the primary. but, we will continue to investigate. since they have declared their bias openly, the trump campaign will no longer credential representatives of "bloomberg news" for rallies or other campaign events. we will determine how whether to engage with individual reporters or answer inquiries from "bloomberg news" on a case-by-case basis. i mean, they have opened up such a can of trouble for themselves. there is an organization as well where they have to make decisions, and is donald trump

one of his rivals? because if so, we had our investigative rapport dig into it does this violate political contributions where they will sue the campaign because you are not allowed to just cover -- not only cover are an opponent, that's a contribution. so if donald trump is considered an opponent which i think he certainly is then they are running afoul with that. that's news organizations of what can we ethically cover, where it is our owners have lie. and i sympathize with that. i know those reporters want to get on the campaign trail. and i think they have made a serious mistake. >> harris: that's the dumbest way of splitting the baby, ever. >> harris: our pulitzer prize winning journalist said there are 2,700 or so journalists that work for that corporation.

that was a really good one. they legitimately want to do their jobs and do it and have been for decades. you have to sit down. you can't -- i mean, are those people going to leave? wouldn't you want to have your work taken seriously? doesn't this take a stab at integrity ethics and credibility as a news organization if you are going to pick a side? >> they are pushing back and saying, you can't stop us from doing your job. the people in the media have voluntarily decided they don't want to investigate democrats. >> harris: that that's coming from on high and your paycheck is attached to that. >> chris: that's a terrible decision and they've been put there by the head of editorial. >> melissa: leslie, i wish i could have heard the conversation when i made this decision because as soon as you. i could tell what's wrong with it. and what do you think about the president saying, you can't come

to campaign events then because they will investigate them and not anyone else. >> this is crazy. it's >> you don't want something to be printed that you don't like. because part of "bloomberg news" is bloomberg. that's for the readers or the subscribers online, it's for them to determine. however i don't agree with what the white house has done and the reason is if we have a democratic line president, should they all say -- i should name names. >> they don't have a stated policy. the problem here -- and kennedy

i know we have to move on, but the problem here is they have stated policy that they are going to not investigate democrats. >> what think about the viewers there still 17 democrats running for president so they are going to withhold from the people who are still undecided? >> they look to your organization for what they consider to be objectivity. and you are taking that choice away from them. and it hurts bloomberg. joe biden is looking to boost his sagging gold numbers, and the nation's first caucus launching his "no malarkey bus tour over the weekend" planning to hit 18 counties in 18 days.

and, i talked to every great grandparent in the world and they are super fired up about no malarkey so congrats. another tweeted it, i know it's in a popular thing to say but this is legit the most boomer thing i've ever seen. this is pretty incredible. this could be a pretty effective slogan for islands that know better than most. >> chris: a lot of people use malarkey to replace a where they might have wanted to use. my favorite, joe biden is amazing. i mean come on man, he seems to say that three times per sentence. or, here's the deal. exactly. i think it there's a reason for democrats to be worried about where the campaign is. it's not a major meltdown but it's hysterical.

and that's what the candidate lands on. that is great. because when you say no malarkey, everyone knows exactly what you mean. especially anyone -- b3 except for me, i'm like the only person on the couch that doesn't have that. >> melissa: no malarkey. noun, insincere or foolish talk. >> harris: if there were some other things that were floating around. it's good branding, or is it just showing everyone how old it is? >> you can say okay boomer to me because i know what no malarkey means. it means shoot from the hip. >> i think, donald trump is a no malarkey guy. when he talks he shoots from the hip. joe is being joe because when he

talks, it's no malarkey. and that's what he does well. >> you know what he doesn't do well, he's shooting from the hip and talking about children rubbing his leg cares and jumping on his lap. >> you know who this also appeals to? who democrats lost. like the blue-collar work is in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. that no malarkey blue-collar kind of walk. >> john mccain, it's called the straight talk success. when you are sitting around acting asking, what does no malarkey mean, you've already lost. >> harris: there are two definitions or malarkey but one of them are not on the bus. so there is apparently not a universal understanding. >> i do think he would get attacked on twitter if he called it the come on man to her.

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and this comes just days after president trump said he was moving to designate the drug cartel as a terrorist organization. what difference would it make to call them terrorist organizations. what stands out in terms of, there has to be a difference in the way that you can go in and i guess surgically try to attack and remove them. it's staggering that they are openly attacking the government, and openly attacking the rule of law. it seems like, and getting away with it. >> leslie: it's also interesting because the new socialist president in mexico talks about ending the drug war and only in one aspect. that is skyrocketing in mexico where it was already very, very high. the problem he have is things are incredibly out of balance. it's one thing to want to go after and hurt the people who are killing, murdering innocent

americans and mexicans on both sides of the border in this endless drug war, but until you -- it's legalized, you won't see anything shift. you have to have a shift in marketing and distribution before you see any measurable difference in the cartels. >> chris: the tools of this will open up in the u.s. government to target the banks for the money goes through and target them financially come up to target them for not being able to come into the country, that's lots of legal ways for the federal government to go after not just the cartels but anyone who deals with the terrorist organization is now a collaborative will do my collaborator. it gives them that power in a way that they haven't had previously with the cartels. >> leslie: on its face i would say, you look at the 1999 camping act, that pretty much

covered people. that's people in washington, d.c., who are overwhelmed. that doesn't really help the situation -- >> how do we surgically go over the border and go after these individuals versus where -- >> i mean, i think maybe we can see a little bit of clarity coming. but reuters is reporting today that the attorney general bar will travel to mexico sometime next week. we are still trying to get some confirmation, or response from the u.s. embassy. but the u.s. attorney general bar is set to visit mexico to talk about cooperation. and that's according to the foreign minister ed berard. that's interesting because then we would have more than a politician's take on this because we want more.

we want to know the legality is and how it will work and, the attorney general's i would think would give us that. >> youtube and google reportedly removing more than 300 trump campaign video ads for violating policies. but which policies remain unclear? the growing scrutiny this policy is facing ahead of 2,020.

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from more liberal backgrounds who complain about discrimination. >> harris: that was youtube ceo disputing claims that the website is censuring content after a "cbs news" report that youtube and its parent company removed more than 300 trump campaign video ads for allegedly violating company policy. however there are no details leaving it unclear as to why the ads were taken down in the first place. facebook's mark zuckerberg is defending his company's policy. jack dorsey announced in october that the company would ban all political advertising. and around and work around we go. >> it's fascinating. if both sides are upset they are probably doing something right but i don't believe that it is simply a algorithms that are fleshing out what content is being disseminated on youtube.

and that stop pretending that they don't. >> harris: so you don't buy the youtube ceo when she says you can't tell them? >> chris: we are not governed by algorithms, we are not terminator two yet. humans write these algorithms and say what actually constitutes hurtful language, social conservatism and these are the things that they target over and over again and it often hits republicans more frequently. the most disturbing aspect of this is to see so many elites in america and the media and politics go running to our tech overload saying, please censor us. why don't you find the truth? i'd rather have them take a step back.

we would say that on the decision not to remove political ads contain false information. let's watch. >> what i believe is in a democracy it's very important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying. so they can make their own judgment. i don't think that a private company should be censoring politicians. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: they actually have the right to do whatever they want. they are a private company but i don't believe it's just algorithms because as we speak youtube is still running an ad about joe biden that has a lot of unsubstantiated claims that was put out by trump. or his people. so this is not just for attacking trump for the conservatives in my opinion. i do think they should come if they want to be considered credible, i do think that they should have a fact-finding mission and put out the information and let the people

decide to. you can't just put out lies. that's of the russians are doing. >> melissa: the problem is, what is the lie? when obamacare just came out, many people said this will bend of the coffers and so on, it was clearly a lie. it's like saying that a bunch of these plans that are supposedly going to happen could be paid for by taxes on the wealthy when that's mathematically impossib impossible. so how do you have people go in there and decide which ally is which? it just seems like -- >> harris: it but that wasn't intentional. however when joe biden doubled down and repeated that you could keep your doctor under his plan and basically shoveling some of the same information if you will, --

>> kennedy: that malarkey? >> harris: i knew you would get me on that. >> leslie: when you look about the affordable care act that got watered down once it was passed and when he looked at what insurance companies did which was contrary to what was intentioned, you -- >> i can tell you that -- we've been down that road before. >> it was the intention. >> so if you put that in the attic, do you fact-check it? we got to move on. prince charles has reportedly stepped in ahead of bbc's big interview with a woman accusing his younger brother o prince andrew. ♪ great riches will find you when liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar?

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virginia good friday. british tabloid demeanor reported that charles wants an open and honest discussion about the alleged misconduct with his younger brother. she claims she was forced to have sacks with the british royal multiple times when she was just 17 years old. in a promo clip released last week she directly challenged andrew's denial of those allegations. >> the scariest time in my life. he knows what happened and i know what happened and there's only one of us telling the tru truth. this is a mess. >> kennedy: it's interesting because we seen various crises try to penetrate the royal family and every time people say, why do we have a royal family? the queen has says, he said that she in two years will essentially retire and that's why prince charles is taking over more of the lead role. if anyone knows how long it

takes to rebound from a product crisis, it is prince charles. >> finally. what is he, 71? he's finally seeing some favorable press. he wants to maintain not because season three of the crown has been very good. >> it was fantastic. it doesn't always bring up the question, everybody is like, why are we paying for these people? we are doing these kind of shenanigans and in this day and age, what impact do you think this interview tonight possibly has. >> sadly, none. and that's what's really sad. if, in fact, this woman when she was a minor experience this and is telling the truth, i don't think anything will happen as a result of it. you asked why do they still have this? my best friend is british. she lives in london and she says, we need them. we fall apart with that not being the relief. >> one of the things that has

come out of this, kick a whole bunch of people off the payroll. and there's a lot of work and a lot of charity and a bunch of hangers on. >> i'm not a royalist by any stretch and i don't have much interest in anything of what they do, but i'm also against just trying -- there's very few things that hold together for britain nowadays. the main question here is, the massive scheme for a trafficking underage women with the most powerful people on the planet and jeffrey epstein's neck being forced into a belt in a prison in new york. >> it plays into part of this because part of the problem is they want to talk to prince andrew. and it, they shove them off and talk to them. in that sense, getting them out

of the live limelight, and that has to be justice for more than the prison workers. >> we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. here is harris. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert. lisa page is bringing her silence and coming out swinging as the doj releases the report on the ledge surveillance witnesses. i'm harris faulkner end of this is "outnumbered overtime." lisa page is defending her actions as the horowitz report is set to be made public one week from today. they are claiming the doj cherry picked her anti-trump text messages with former fbi agent peter strzok. they were having an affair, fyi. telling "the daily beast," "i know there is no five mobile way that i have committed any crime at all