>> read the highlights. geraldo, thank you very much. that is the story. we'll see you back in tomorrow night at 7:00 that have a good night, everybody. tucker is next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." russia is back in the news all of his sudden. we want to apologize for friends at cnn, for taking the break commode there was a point we were not talking about a russia. keep in mind that the premise of the now discredited to your long investigation was that it was entirely implausible, indeed it was likely that donald trump, a former casino owner who spent 14 seasons starring on an nbc reality show, was in fact despite all outward appearances to the contrary, a secret russian agent working against

american interests to serve vladimir putin in moscow. many nongenus is believed it was true. they repeated the allegation every single day for every single year because that's what they do best. but the much more interesting and important question has always been this: what did senior law enforcement officials think of the story? did they really believe it was possible that donald trump was working for russia? and if so, what evidence they have russian mark if they have no evidence, why did they open the investigation and what are they continuing? for years, every american regardless of party has been interested in knowing the answer those questions and for more than a year, the inspector general's office has worked to find the answer. the report finally came public, and even before it did, some of the mouth breeders on television were happy to guess its conclusion. they proclaim the fbi complete innocent of all wrongdoing

because in 2019, being a progressive means taking the sides of bureaucrats with guns the matter what the evidence is. watch. >> the headline will be whether you are a trump supporter or trump skeptic that the fbi is exonerated today from the oft repeated smear that there was some sort of campaign -- it's good news no matter where you stand on the political spectrum in 2019. >> martha: keep in speed to keep in mind when she uttered those words, she had not even read the ig report. this is what happens when you have former flaxen spokesperson on journalism. the actual report was something of a disaster for the fbi. obvious to anybody who read it, even people who work at msnbc. >> what it basically said that the fbi screwed up at basically every level, failing to pay enough attention to potential

problems with steele. the report says the fisa application was inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported. it says, for example, the fbi failed to look at some of the problem in steele's past work. that was never addressed. >> tucker: there is the understatement of the week. in fact, steele's so-called dossier was absurd. no judgment news outlet would run it. so clearly false that "the washington post" kept its distance. it's up to buzzfeed to run it, a cats blog. the one that no one would print because it was so false committee use it as a pretext to spy on the trump campaign. a a keep in mind, when you are

lying, the more specific the lie is, the more likely it is to be believed. the light in the dossier was he was offered 19%, not 18, 20, 19% interest in the energy country if he can persuade donald trump to lift sanctions against moscow. the claim was wrong. it was a lie. page was a naval officer and i had done nothing wrong. the fbi targeted him anyway. prominent figures on the left accused him of betraying his country. carter page's life was destroyed worst of all and this is what we learned today, the fbi knew exactly what was happening and they kept doing it. the fisa warrant against paige, the one that allowed them to spy on him, had to be redone multiple times. according to the ig report, the fbi repeatedly lied and excluded cometary information to keep that speed 26 warrant alive showing that the document was

unreliable, they continue to treat page as criminal and steele as a trusted source for the usual, half-wits, and partisans continue to accuse page of something he never committed. >> conspiring with russia in ways that were nefarious. >> overwhelming evidence to have probable cause. it would be a direction of duty to not have sought a surveillance warrant. >> makes a compelling case that there is probable cause to believe that carter page is acting in a foreign power. >> tucker: imagine if that was you, somebody on television every day in fact accusing you of treason and congressmen and tv reports all nodded in agreement -- that sounds right. the fbi knew you didn't do it,

but instead lifts the burden of suspicion off your shoulders, instead lie in order to hide your innocence? that was carter page a process lie for years but hard to believe it could happen in this country, but it did happen. let's hope carter page spends the rest of his life suing every single one of these people in bankruptcy, and it should include malicious liars like cia head and cnn contribute or john brennan, watch him say something with a straight face now we know is actually false. >> do you know who commission the steele dossier? >> i don't. >> did the cia rely on it? >> no. >> why not? >> because it wasn't part of the corpus of intelligence information that we had. it was not in any way used as a basis for the intelligence community assessment that was done. >> tucker: yes, it wasn't in any way. yes, the basis of that assessment. carter page was not the only and

is caught up in the witch hunt, and witch hunt is not an overstatement. according to the report, the fbi employed undercover agents to collect intelligence on the members of the trump campaign. the bureau itself used a defensive briefing to monitor what the campaign was doing. defensive briefings are designed for the good of the country. the bureau shares intelligence with leading potential candidates or president-elect so they'll have a grounding what's going on in the world when they take control. in this case, however, the fbi use that briefing the spy on trump staff and build criminal cases against them. can you imagine a question like the ig report claims and if this is clearly motivated. that's a subjective judgment. hard to know, but it's also hard to swallow that claim. only a partisan can believe something so absurd as this betweesteele dossier. the facts remain to the fbi use

flimsy excuses to spy on the american citizen and rival a presidential campaign. they engage in abusive behavior to make sure the spine continued illegitimately. doesn't matter what the motive for all of that was. the facts alone ought to scare you. former director jim comey think about that for a minute. given what we know, mueller ought to be groveling for forgiveness -- he ought to be relocating to paraguay in sh. in fact, he's more self-righteous than ever. jim comey is a good person -- unfortunately, you are not. approved by a federal judge, comey tells us. amidst the fact that the fbi lied to the judge. the fbi did not insert spies in the trump campaign, no, they just use spies to monitor the

trump staff. jim comey does not think you have google or doesn't care you have google. doesn't care what you know, they could issue a hundred ig reports, all of them exposing jim comey the sinister fraud and he knows and of it matters because he knows he will never be punished. that's part of what we learned today. what else did we learn? we are always happy to be joined by federalist sr. editor mollie hemingway. as someone who followed this from day one from orchard takeaway? >> there is no question the ig found rampant abuse of the fisa process, the fbi engaging in bad behavior as it sought to spy on a member of the trump campaign. the spin that you showed from other people, even worse than what you were talking about, which is at one case you had the fbi lawyer dr. evidence to make

it seem like a different federal agency had something opposite of what you said, the other federal agency said that carter page was a helpful asset to them. he doctored that evidence to make it seem like the opposite was the case. >> tucker: let me ask you to pause there and asked the obvious, why is not that fbi lawyer in prison? >> that fbi lawyer was one of the only people who was ever referred to any kind of accountability. that's one of the things that's frustrating. this ig outlines hundreds of example of bad behavior from people who are engaged in this campaign to target the trump campaign. not many people will be held accountable by the inspector general. it's interesting to note -- >> tucker: meanwhile roger stone spending life in prison for not remember and who he spoke to earlier that day. >> all of these behaviors by other members of the department of justice, all of the did show political bias or they show

political bias the other way, the federal prosecutor looking into this, just agreed some parts of the ig report in ways that it's even worse. disagree that the flimsy predicate used to start the investigation was sufficient among other things. >> tucker: amazing. amazing. but it's not a big deal, mollie don't you worry. >> it's important to note that carter page was in fact exonerated here. claims that he's not a russian asset are shown to be true, that claims he's a russian asset shown to be false. >> tucker: i hope he sues the other cable channels. they destroyed his life! they owe him. mollie, thanks so much. after the ig report came out, durham issued a rare statement, disagrees with several part of the findings especially why the russia investigation's happened.

stephanie grisham former prosecutor at the white house. thank you for coming on. as you assessed >> this was a government trying to overthrow a president by falsifying documents and by lying. and by ruining the lives of many, many people. >> tucker: for a lot of people watching, you hate to have people become more cynical the more news they ingest, but it's hard not to have that happen. people wondering, no one is going to be indicted when law enforcement agencies destroy american citizens on the basis of no evidence for political reasons and they get away with it? how does that happen? >> i don't know. it's been a chilling effect to see everything today. with durham, he's going to look at tw it more. people who are supposed to be enforcing the laws of the law on their own hands but not just the one fbi attorney who falsified documents against carter page who was working with another

agency. absolutely people need to be held accountable. >> tucker: what's troubling about all of this even though as a report claims, and politics were behind these screw ups, it was a purely a political series of dishonest steps, the fbi remains the fbi with awesome power. people are still getting investigate it the fbi. can we trust the fbi is a level of the most important question. >> as the president said there are great people working in the fbi, hardworking people. the people at the top level need to be looked at and need to be looked at all the time. they have great power as you said so it's very important that we really look into this, we find who's responsible and there are absolute -- there something that happened. >> tucker: consequences. do you believe it's likely that the attorney general mr. barr will be firing people? >> i hope so. i'm not going to speculate, but i hope so. this is a chilling effect and the american people need to

believe that the fbi, cia, all the intelligence organizations in this country can be trusted. the fact that for years now there has been an effort to overthrow this president? it's scary. it should happen -- any president, i don't care what party you are in. >> tucker: and the media is cheering them on. for decades, america's credit to defeating mccarty at some it's a liethey tell themselves. nobody supports mccarthyism more than the media. for weeks, they've been accusing anybody who dissents from the story line of being a russian agent, in effect a traitor. speakable hold, the ukraine conspiracy line that senator john kennedy keeps returning to is utter nonsense. it's vapor. its distraction. it's deflection. >> this talking point, the g.o.p. cannot quit. >> using the talking points that come right out of vladimir put

vladimir putin's talking points. >> repeating russian talking points. >> parenting russian talking points. >> using the rushing talking points. >> pushing russian talking points. >> frankly it's a criminal talking points. >> not just russian talking point, but putin talking points. >> when ted cruz appeared on "meet the press," which is a show of long standing sundays with a dwindling audience and suggested there's evidence that ukraine metal during 2016, 16, nbc's chuck todd, open partisan, acted like cruz was mentally ill. >> do you believe ukraine meddled in the 26 election? >> i do and i believe there is credible evidence -- >> you do? senator, this strikes me as odd.

>> tucker: chuck todd who is wholly ignorant of everything -- i can't believe you think that! you must be working for buck sexton, what's the cost of media leaders who don't know anything but anything are recklessly throwing out the allegations that people they disagree with politically or somehow working for a hostile foreign power. >> i think trump derangement has led to russian derangement and this really does approach the pathological. the way they all bleed in unison about kremlin talking points, it's like they are the barnyard creatures from "animal farm," shutting down anyone who wants to have a discussion what's really going on with ukraine and russia but broader true geopolitics. you look at the facts, you find out trump for example was the commander-in-chief when we killed 200 russian palomino terr

that obama was too scared to give because it would've upset the kremlin. they say he's putin's puppet. they say that anyone who points out at political and news outlets reported on ukrainian government officials trying to take the balance of the 2016 election in some way to clinton. these are new stories that have not been retracted that are still out there. this is something that very dishonest people say to audiences they think aren't very smart because you have to accept that they had been wrong or lying about what's going on with trump, with putin, with ukraine for over three years now. that would mean that maybe they are not very smart. >> tucker: that certainly applies to chuck todd, i would say, to be specific about it. that's a 20-watt bulb. i get a sense that he believes what he's saying. he things people who disagree with them must be working for

vladimir putin. >> is not like they found a couple of kremlin assets working in the trump campaign. it's not like there have been some collusion of talking points. they are just saying this and you have people coming out, pointed it out rightly. carter page owned a lot among others, never point to anyone who is a kremlin asset, these people know nothing saying about russia, geopolitics, putin, they hear other pendants saying the same thing. but if they know this. if you tag somebody with russia, nothing else they say matters. it reminds me how there are some of us like me knew something about counterterrorism during the obama administration and any time you would say, obama doesn't know what he's doing. not taking the right pushed to the middle east, they would say they are doing the terrorist's bidding or bin laden's bidding. this time is kremlin talking points. it's just nonsense. i don't know.

>> tucker: they always want to destroy an individual, carter page, roger stone, in order to achieve political power. buck sexton, great to see you. more impeachment hearings held on capitol hill today. impeachment! ukraine! we'll show you the best moments, air quotes around that. plus the saudi government was apparently tied to both 9/11 and the recent attack on a naval base in pennsylvania. and yet, the u.s. government stands by our so-called ally without thinking because really iran is the great threat. what's going on? is anything saying things clearly? that's just ahead.

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>> tucker: there's an awful lot of news today along with the bottom of the ig report, today also brought a round of impeachment hearings in the house judiciary committee. during those hearings, congressman matt gaetz of florida got into it with the chairman from new york's jerry nadler over the refusal to make adam schiff testify before the community. here's how it went. >> the implication is we want schiff in that chair, not you. the person who wrote the report should come and present it and you when elected by anybody and you're giving that testimony in place of the chairman. i hope that clears up the implication. >> he cannot simply yell out and disrupt the committee! >> tucker: not allowed to make rational points on the hill. congressman matt gaetz of florida joins us. looks like you cleared up that

implication. >> i may not be on jerrold nadler's christmas list anymore. if he believes that the he should take questions based on his bias, his contact with the whistle-blower, and anything he was doing outside the bounds of the law. instead, it was day cured donor to work today, where some of the left's big donors were able to come in and asked other questions but it's this dystopian reality where i'm watching one democrat donor asked questions of another democrat donor about issues that we could all read about but they just want to give their hot takes. >> tucker: such a nice description. the whistle-blower. are we ever going to have public confirmation of this person the prosperous identity and doesn't matter? >> does it depends on the day. adam schiff said the only way to resolve the dispute is to hear from the whistle-blower and later when the whistle-blower's potential connections to members of adam schiff's committee or potential conventions to

campaigns started leaking out to public reporting, they didn't want to hear from the whistle-blower anymore. >> tucker: without using his name are you satisfied that the person identified as a whistle-blower has been -- >> the only person who knows who the whistle-blower is as adam schiff. >> tucker: will be talking with ken starr about today's impeachment hearings but we want to get to this. want to ask about the congressman at the naval air station at pensacola. it was committed by a saudi naval officer. the question, obvious one, is it time based on this another fact to reevaluate our relationship with saudi arabia? >> the first thing we need to do is to join governor desantis' call to the kingdom to step over the victim. i will call for the median suspension for the program will be bring saudis here to the united states without sufficient vetting to stop living like this. we put ourselves at risk. and absolutely we need to

support the fbi's investigation and not allow anything to impair it. at some point, we've got to look at his religion more broadly, tucker, and wonder how much from saudi arabia are we willing to take? >> especially because we don't have a definitive answer about the saudis role in 9/11. >> you don't think it's definitive? i think it's definitive that members of the saudi government were supporting some of the ground efforts in 9/11. >> tucker: some details remain hidden from the u.s. government. what's baffling to me is how there is resented by part of bipartisan support by one of the creepiest, most repressive nations and earth. why do we do this question marks because they trade in oil on the u.s. dollar. if you want to have truth talk, we need them selling oil on the u.s. dollar in order to maintain the dominance of the dollar and make our sanctions effective elsewhere in the world amongst oil-producing nations. that is not a reason to turn a

blind eye to saudi potential of involvement in 9/11, the shooting in pensacola. when we look at their war in yemen, saudi arabia is engaged in all kinds of terrible atrocious >> tucker: if those people who colluded in 9/11 were iranian, there would be troops on the ground and i would support it. >> that's just the thirst for rich even change wars that i'm glad you and i stand against. >> tucker: congressman matt gaetz, great to see you tonight. thank you very much. fox's pete has that booted off twitter for sharing part of the the suspension was for threatening or promoting terrorism. did pete had this seems like -- i don't understand this explanation,

actually. >> neither do i. i simply posted the words of the terrorist who killed three americans in terrorist attack. i'm violating the twitter policies on terrorism and i'm banned? if we live in a country where we can't know why the people who attack us and why they did it, why are we here? why do we have the first amendment. i don't play the veteran card, tucker. i really don't. i guarded these guys at one time and obey. i know what they want to do with us. if we can share that, the hatred for israel, guantanamo bay is a glaucoma will get the photo's narrative of the pc folks in silicon valley everything the day of th the week and they'll n me. if they'll ban me, ban everybo

everybody. >> tucker: what is the status for right now? >> they told me if i delete the tweet, i can go back on the platform. if i don't, i'm gone. of course i'm not going to delete the week, the tweet was just simply sharing the manifesto and exposing the motives of this terrorist. if i don't do that, i don't get to tweet anymore. you are so right, tucker. it's the tens of thousands, hundreds and thousands of american who share stuff about radical islam, which is taboo, who are blocked every single day. silicon valley is in bed with defending under the guise of defending against islamophobia anyone who exposes the things that radical islam is doing. that's what i ran up against here. >> tucker: there's literally no limit the things you can say about christianity or christians and remain on the platform. >> endless. double standard. everybody knows it.

is there. it's blatant. >> tucker: keep us updated. >> will keep fighting for it will keep you updated. thank you. >> tucker: you heard pete's talk about he served in afghanistan. that war has went on for 18 years. documents from the pentagon lied to us extensively about what's happening there. details ahead. it's the reason you chose to serve our country. so you'd have a safe place to come home to, and eventually, a home to call your own. a place to gather your troops under one roof. your roof. a place to mark time. and relax with your commanding officer. a place to call home. newday usa can help make that happen for veterans like you. the newday zero down va home loan

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>> tucker: one to feel old? it's been 18 years since 2300 of them died there. over and over, government leaders tells us that the war is making progress and we couldn't pull out. newly released documents show they were lying repeatedly. officials distorted statistics to conceal from the public which was happening which would in fact was a disaster. hundreds and billions of dollars were spent -- how much did we spend the question but we spent more than the entire marshall plan after inflation. it was all wasted trying to modernize afghanistan's tribal society. they didn't know who the enemy was a lot of times. they never admitted it in public to the people paying for the wars, dying, fighting. what happened to the people who did this, who prosecuted this disaster and misled you about it.

if you orchestrated a orgy of incompetence on this scale you would be in jail. you wouldn't have a job. the people who did it are still in the job. they are running lobbyists come on think tanks, defense contractors but no one is ever punished. douglas mcgregor has been warning the public by the futility of what's happening. we have video proof on the way back to 2010. watch this. >> before i let you go, should we be spending a trillion dollars in the islamic world to import democracy? >> absently not. it's a dead end. it's a hopeless endeavor. it's a bottomless pit for our resources. >> tucker: if only we listen. we didn't. that mcgregor joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> sure. >> tucker: what we learn is what we suspected, the people in charge lied to us. what i'm amazed by is nobody -- the people who lie to us about

this disaster, where are they now? >> first, let me go over some ugly things which i have to do the segment. i want to say, go army, beat navy, 120 a game on saturday. i'm a west point graduate. i want to see the army win. set that aside, little has changed in the senior ranks of the u.s. army and marines since the vietnam period. we see the people who set aside the truth in flavor of pleasant fiction. at that time, where he awarded for promotion for doing so. we need to remember that president trump in july 2016 gathered his cabinet, brought in his advisors, and said i want to leave afghanistan immediately. i want out. and everyone who had any service in the military community formed or otherwise, all close ranks and said you can't leave.

if you leave, the world as you know it will end, and we are making progress. we need to send more troops, double down. the same routine that went on with president obama. ultimately we know the rest of the story. there is no one who walked in with any military experience the truth. you are right, mr. president. we need to cut our losses and get out before more good soldiers, sergeants, lieutenants, captains, colonels, warrant officers are killed. it didn't happen. what about the generals that brought us this tragedy? some of them are not retired. i recorded before i came in david petraeus pushing back in saying, i stand by everything i said. either he's lying at the time or he's delusional because we know from the report that others who were there on the ground who are not generals saying, look, this is a disaster, it's not working. president trump has an opportunity right now to drain

the military swamp. go after the senior officer is on active duty right now who play a role in this. interestingly enough, general milley is featured in these papers but one of those who kept saying no, the police, the army, afghan forces, they are doing a great job, we are making progress when that was absolutely untrue. i think if he was invited to retire, that would send a very positive message to the rest of the force. lying doesn't pay anymore. >> tucker: if you raise your children the way washington treats his policymakers where there is no penalty whatsoever for dishonesty, you'd be a sociopath. >> yes. >> tucker: thank you so much for what you are doing to people incredibly angry at a lot of things in america but especially about an advertisement for an exercise bike. they are so mad that the company who makes that bike saw stock price declined by a billion dollars. because the ad was really that

bad. maybe people complaining about it were that bad. mark steyn would sort it out for us. plus can start react to today's impeachment hearings straight ahead.

>> tucker: well, it's the most vicious, hateful, deceitful, loathes them attempt to sell a product ever attempting an english. that's what they are saying on twitter about this ad for the peloton exercise bike. >> are you ready? >> yes! >> peloton, give it up for our first time user! >> i'm excited to see this. five days in a row. are you a surprise? >> i am.

>> rising with the sun! >> totally worth it. >> i miss you guys. >> a year ago, i didn't realize how much this would change me. thank you. >> tucker: what you eat >> tucker: that seems fine. you aren't woke then. you should be as mad as twitter is. you should recognize what you are watching is toxic masculinity meeting the patriarchy to oppress women with exercise bikes. the response has been so negative that add that the market cap for peloton dropped by almost a billion dollars after the ad was released. why is an exercise by coming to worth billions? that's another question. addresses the first question, but why is this sexist? >> here's the thing. i do not personally think this is sexist. as you said, may be this woman

wanted a peloton bike. they are worth over $2,000 for it if my boyfriend got me a peloton bike i personally would be pretty excited. but you know, if people are offended, okay, we can take that into account. i want to bring up this point: maybe it's sexist to assume that the husband got the bike to work on because the woman said she wants to buy for her how healthiness. >> tucker: who is more judgmental about women of high stress weights? men or women? >> are you ask me that question? >> tucker: i think you know the answer! >> i took a poll on my twitter because i knew i was coming on and i was very interested because i'm one of the young women who follow me and i was actually surprised most of my

followers say, i do not think this is sexist. only one of them said it did bit i think this is also a take of twitter blowing up that's now become a viral moment. i mean, it's funny. i have to say, when i first saw the commercial, i thought before it blew up, i thought this was over the top and it's kind of big weird commercial. they are making the peloton into this grand the thing, the song and everything. i knew it would get attention. i do have to say that i'm surprised it got this much of a negative backlash for being called sexist. i think that making some assumptions and i think we should let the woman choose what she wants. >> you are pro-choice on the peloton question. great to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: let's take another look at that sexist ad. watch. >> your coffee, sir. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> how can such a pretty wife

made such bad coffee. >> sorry, that was a folgers coffee add from the 1960s. mark steyn to assess how sexist that peloton ad was. >> i had no knowledge of this. my friend, her song is used in this. "she is so high," this is about how this woman is so high above the singer. she is on a different level. and clearly, the people who created this ad are woke madison avenue types. they do ben & jerry's and they do uber, they are plugged into the zeitgeist. as they are on madison avenue, wealthier than most americans. this woman who looks fabulous, she's so high, high above you. but she has ballooned up to

103 pounds. maybe if we buy make her a $2500 exercise bike, she will be ableo look more cadaverous and emaciated. how does that relate to any of this? but least of all the bit where she is -- he's in the ad for five seconds and his career is over. he's being talked about, the little pajama boy is there for five seconds. he is a combination of harvey weinstein, matt lauer, and charlie rose. that's his reputation on twitt twitter. the ad has made a response ad where girlfriends talk about the face space she needs be the weirdest thing about this is after she's been on the exercise bike for a couple of weeks, they decide to sit down on the sofa and watch the video, she takes videos of herself all the time exercising on the bike. you know, there's nothing on tv -- people say, do you want to

watch should be watch video of you on the exercise bike? what did they do, watch a video of themselves sitting on the video -- i can't relate to any of this! the only big take weight to thit diversity, one way we are celebrating this is conformity. if you go buy into this perspective even for a niche product, if you don't buy in, you have to be hunted down and destroyed. we have stereotypes -- about the beautiful wife to make horrible coffee, there are horrible wives to make beautiful coffee. the stereotype applied, your coffee is made by a 29-year-old pajama boy with a six-figure

college debt. things change. this urge to enforce conformity that is so disturbing, it's actually totalitarian. >> tucker: it is an artist ought to be fighting against it instead they are embracing it. we are finding out who the actual artists are and i would put you at the very top of the list. and i mean that. mark steyn. >> thank you. >> tucker: coming up, we'll have even more on today's impeachment hearings. hard to believe we can spend another segment on something so vacuous. but we have former special counsel can start joining us with reaction. ken joining us for reaction.

>> tucker: house speaker nancy pelosi made it pretty clear that the president is going to be impeached no matter what. the house is continuing to hold hearings as if it's an open question. ken starr knows a lot about impeachment, today on fox he accused democrats of lowering the bar for what merits impeachment. ken starr joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker. >> tucker: this is a subject you thought about more than any living american, what qualifies as a high crime and misdemeanor sufficient to impeach? how would you rate the charges against the president now? >> i would rate the current charges as not even coming near

the term high crimes and misdemeanors. those terms are tied to treason and bribery. other high crimes, not low crimes, low disk meters misdemeanors,something profound. history is a great teacher, read the nixon impeachment articles. they are so powerful. you read those articles and understand why 400 members of the house where preventatives said we've got to go through with impeachment here. read the clinton articles bit much more divisive for sure. when you read those articles, you go, this is serious stuff but we don't know what the articles are going to say but we do know that there'll be no republican support whatsoever. there'll be some democratic slippage as well, so this'll be unprecedented in american history. the most partisan approach in the history of the republic. >> tucker: you've never had a party let impeachment or even approaching it. what a be the effect you think it'll be on the country of something like that.

>> a deeper division and an increasing utilization, which is what we've seen of impeachment, it simply a political tool. reasonable minds can differ about the phone call. i don't see where his bow minds, given all we know about the facts, all the testimony that we've had, say that's a crime or such an abuse of power, which is the current nomenclature, that the president must be removed because he is a clear and present danger to the american polity. it's extravagant in my view. i think we have weaponized impeachment, unfortunately. >> tucker: going forward, can you expect that every president will have to expect and impeachment bum-rush? >> that's the fear, that we become impeachment happy. we shouldn't.

impeachment should be the last resort and it's simply a political tool. famously we now know "the washington post" 18 minutes after the president was sworn in, the impeachment effort has begun. that's a profound disservice to the american republic. >> very quick, 15 seconds, do you know what this is about? what is it about trump that makes people feel threatened as they do come apparently? >> he's so unorthodox. he does not play by these traditional rules. he clearly upset the career foreign service. that's for starters. >> tucker: they can control him, so they want to destroy him. it's amazing to watch. ken starr, thank you so much for your perspective in that. nobody who knows more than you on that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: we are out of time. would love to go on forever. we are tomorrow back 8:00 p.m. eastern, the show that is the

sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, and groupthink, all of which are high abundance in washington. good night from your capital city, the one you pay for every year. we go out to new york and take control of fox news right now with sean hannity sitting in the seat. hey, sean. >> sean: oh, sorry -- kidding. buckle up. welcome to "hannity." breaking, the fisa abuse report out and the deep state need to understand they are all in deep legal jeopardy. premeditated fraud perpetrated repeatedly on the fisa court with all the unverifiable lies from hillary clinton, bought and paid for dirty russian dossier. put together by christopher steele who had only one source. yeah, a guy that was an egomaniac known to live. nothing but outright lies, abuse of corruption