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there. that's it for today. have a great week. we will see you next "fox news sunday". pushing for
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years was a total lie, the report was a disaster for bureaucratic class in washington but also a big, big problem for
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the american news media. they were exposed as liars and no nothing. howie: are media organizations just flatout taking sides and why did cnn having covered every minute of the democratic hearings blow off opening statements in lindsey graham's statements? william barr defends the president over ig report, does the attorney general deserve denunciations he's getting from the press, i'm howard kurtz and this is media buzz. ♪ ♪ howie: after long week of hearings, the house judiciary committee did on friday what everyone on the planet was expecting and approved articles of impeachment, strictly party line vote. >> article 1 of the resolution,
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impeaching donald j. trump for abuse his powers. >> mr. chairman, 32 yeas. >> it's a very bad thing for the country. not all of it but much of the media is corrupt, these are bad people, they are sick people and they are corrupt. howie: joining us to analyze the coverage pound -- founder and publishist for the federalist. ben, donald trump is the only fourth president in history to have articles of impeachment. >> it's baked in, they see it's not going result in the removal of the president and no path to
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seeing that happen. howie: suspense factor. >> we know the way it's going to end, really only question is it a partisan affair in the senate or bipartisanship on either side, you know, in terms of joining -- democrats joining with republicans to move against removal, a republican or two are joining with the democrats in order to support it and that takes out all of the suspense, if you know the way the movie ends, not one you show up and see. >> well, put. has the one party nature of impeachment which was largely true of the clinton impeachment, has it blunted the impact of this nonstop coverage? >> i think it has and i think -- first of all media, now you have social media and a president that can tweet 120 times going
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over the heads of the media, people don't have to pay attention to the news coverage in the way they had for nixon and the way they had to a certain extent for bill clinton, we are seeing a changed environment, i also think back to what ben was saying, i also think the charges themselves have lent to this idea that this is partisan, again, the democrats are not charging him with a criminal violation or any violation of the law, why, because they don't want to take the time to go through the process. so for political reasons they shrunk this down and that's been a problem. howie: lillsa, that he -- lisa, he left no choice, boston time, philadelphia enfirer, -- inquirer, does that have much impact? >> not uniform. howie: right. >> i reported about that on editorial pages, to me the
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gauged i've been use to go monitor to where is the public, what does the coverage do, the audiences, the public audience in these impeachment hearings i was there for all of them beginning back with the intelligence hearings, there were larger crowds especially when you saw like gordon son sondland. there was long lines trying to get in. it could be what you're saying, there's no new information, people are not tuning in in public and seems -- howie: i believe there's a whole lot of scandal fatigue stretching the years or more. >> one of the things that i wanted to point out about editorials is to contrast those with the things that were being said during the clinton impeachment, one of the big things that was cited and a lot of the editorials post including the new york times is the partisan nature of it, they said it was going to be very damaging to have an almost totally partisan impeachment at the
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time, in fact, they used the word this would be debated as an attempted coup. howie: yeah. >> this is something that you see this time around endorsing impeachment, they have far less qualms about it, but, again, the mono partisan nature of this is a big deal, sends the message to the american people especially those supporters of the president, they just are trying to get in. howie: a lot of editorial pages have flipped, also a lot of politicians have flipped in terms of their view, cnn which covered every minute of adam schiff hearings and every minute of jerry nadler hearings blue -- blew off hearing, does that just fuel complaints by the network distracters? >> it does fill complaints, we saw that on twitter and
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elsewhere. msnbc didn't do as much but certain extent was covering bits and parts, you know, the media is choosing what to focus on as they all have to, as you all have to in the media but in this hyperenvironment it lends itself to the argument that their choices are made for partisan reasons and the one thing i would say not to defend cnn but there are economic reasons for this, viewership is down on the hearings, you just mentioned, lisa mentioned with alliance, viewership is down, the networks are making tough decisions, we have to get people to watch so we can stay afloat, so it's partisan or market driven is a big question in my mind. >> i want to raise a broader concern here, i noticed in your clips at the beginning it was really, you know, cnn, msnbc, fox, you're talking about cnn and groups, that's actually a small portion of the news media. howie: sure. >> no one is talk about people like us, pbs who really go to great lengths who try not to be partisan, other outlets in
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nightly news, part of the issue is a double iteration partisan media at times and we cover the media looking only at the question of the partisan media and not talking about those doing deeper thought, those who led with the ig report on that day instead of impeachment. >> and can i say that,pbs is not part of market-driven media in the way the other outlets are and that's why i raised that for a very reason. howie: very fair point, cable news drives a loft coverage. >> pbs, i have to push back at that, people think we have such a -- howie: i was talking combined audience, cnn, msnbc and several times can be several million people. also raise it is question of impact of the coverage. bill barr, the attorney general
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spoke to msnbc, he took issue with the ig report, we will get to that in a few moments, he said spying did occur and he said this. >> i think our nation was turned on its head for 3 years. i think based on a completely bogus narrative that was largely fanned and hyped by an irresponsible press. howie: what do you make of the attorney general taking the shot at the press and media criticism as he's acting as donald trump's defense lawyer? >> this is an impeachment that is happening because it was fanned by the press because we had a narrative about what went on within the trump campaign and then following it, one that was driven by people both inside and outside of government including a lot of people who made that transition from being part of the law enforcement and intel community over to being media-base commentators, people who are on the cable news channels an just to lisa's
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point, i would say you can't underestimate how much that drives influencers in washington as opposed to broader american narrative of what's going on. howie: if it is spying to use barr's word, trump's word, when the fbi goes to special court however flaw the processing gets, permission to get surveillance, in this case, carter page, every law enforcement uses approved surveillance, of criminals, gangsters. >> and we can't underestimate how atrocious the 17 violations were in every american regardless of party should be concerning. howie: we will get into that, what do you think of the word spying, it wasn't like they didn't tell the court? >> i think those violations are very real and i wish barr would let the durham report speak for itself, i don't think he should be out publicly at this time -- howie: question of timing. mitch mcconnell getting absolutely hammer bid the media
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for telling sean hannity that he is working closely with white house counsel, is this a surprise that he said it out loud? >> i don't think it's a surprise. mitch mcconnell trying to keep it contained making sure the president is an ally. howie: we got your back in senate trial? >> i think it's very possible, yes. i think to say let's keep this calm, i know what i'm doing kind of name we have seen on other issues before. howie: wow, the majority leader was candid in the hannity interview, stick around, when we come back our news outlets cherry picking the evidence from the ig report, we are talking for ideological reasons and later sean spicer plays on the impeachment vote again
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at your local xfinity store today. ♪ ♪ >> before i even announced they were spying, they were spying. what they did was they spied on me, they spied on our campaign, who would think that's possible. howie: president trump long argued that the fbi engaged in illegal spying as pretext to launch the russia investigation but the report of doj inspector
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michael we are hits did not support that find nothing evidence that split call bias by james comey and other top fbi officials influenced the probe at the same time the ig found serious mistakes, serious misconduct by the bureau in seeking surveillance against trump campaign carter page and in handling the steele dossier and criminal conduct, ben, are most of mainstream media are excited about no bias finding playing down or ignoring the very serious findings about all the fbi mistakes in this probe? >> of course, they are, howie, the whole conversation about motives doesn't really matter to me if what they were doing was inappropriate from the get-go in so many different ways. to a certain extent i don't care why you screwed up whether it was a partisan or whether you were duped or you were bad at your job, still a screw-up and a huge one, monumental one and
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affect the way people view investigations not just under this president but future investigations. howie: flip side of the question to you, not many conservative commentators and the president himself playing down and ignoring that doesn't confirm, what critics call conspiracy theories, mccabe, lisa page cooked this up as motivated effort to target trump. >> yeah, over 400 page report, the media has to walk and chew gum at the same time, the top line finding is what you mentioned howard, but underneath that is a frightening violation of all civil liberties, i don't care if you're a republican, democrat, everything in between, is able to get wants to survey an american who by the way was
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working for cia to investigate whether they are conspiring with russians, 17 flagrant violations and that's underreported in the way it has been, that's also deeply concerning, much more broadly than anything about trump or 2016. howie: i want to ask lisa, donald trump first charged a march of 2017, 2 months after he took office that barack obama had my wires tapped at trump tower and this was mccarthyism, is it the responsibility of the media to say, well, really bad stuff by the fbi, wasn't ordered by obama to trump tower and so on? >> these are two situations where there are very serious questions that we really need to look at and there are questions about power and use of power by the people who run our country and who can change our lives, we need to look at those questions but in those cases the dots aren't connected, there are questions unanswered.
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, you have to present the facts so viewers can take that in. howie: very aggressive interview, i was wrong on a couple of points, overconfident and sorry at one point and he said carter page was treated unfairly but he also said this. >> the fbi is an honest apolitical organization, remember the treason, remember the spying, remember all of us going to jail, that was false information that your viewers and millions of others were given. comey is basically making the case i was falsie accused. >> the way he acted in the interview was pathetic. he was trying to squirrel his way on serious things that happened under his watch, under his responsibility, things that he should have paid a lot more attention to as the head of the fbi and no one has done more damage to the institution than james comey did in that job. howie: about how chris wallace's interview, the president
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objected to even having comey on. >> i thought chris' interview was excellent and brought out things that james comey need to answer, this was totally above board, we got it all right, we were doing on honorable duty and now we know that's just not the case. howie: genie, i don't want to treat everybody with the same brush, so new york times next day front page story, grossing competence on handling wiretap, disturbing peek at u.s. surveillance, the bureau was described as dysfunctional, it's interesting because the left used to be the ones who were the most critical of the fbi abuses going back to jay edgar hoover and martin luther king. >> absolutely. chris wallace and reporter, he's supposed to be taking with everybody in the news and new york times absolutely right to headline with that, those are positive things, there's great work being done in the media, we
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need to talk about abuses of power which is the media's job. howie: great discussion, everyone, we will see you later. ahead an atlanta paper says it's being unfairly by the clint eastwood film
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♪ ♪ ♪ howie: the trump impeachment hearings fall history of televised confrontation stretching back to censure of joe mccarthy, they saw sniping especially when nadler postponed vote late night. >> you blown up schedules for everyone? so typical. this is the conge radiocourt that we -- kangaroo court that we are talking about. howie: i sad with politics
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editor. chris, welcome. >> always good to be with you. >> the press says there this move public opinion, would this move the needle, well, no one changed any minds, what's the dynamic here? >> one of the problems that we have in news and we have had it since time in memorial, things that we can predict for, schedule, plan, politicians are the same way, take on added importance. how many headlines can you think of in your career that you have read hill grilling today for person, the showdown on the hill today. guess what, it almost invariable disappoints and is a dud because the expectations are so high and the hearing can't deliver it. howie: what about the hear negotiation the past, the ones that past into journalistic where great showdowns and great moments, why did they have impact then and not now so much? >> you think america was sitting at home watching the army mccarthy hearings around the clock and tweeting about it
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waiting for the moment, do you think that when the secretary to have army said to joe mccarthy, have you no sense of decency, they read it in the paper, yeah, they may have seen it in evening news but it was contextualized in reporting, this was an important moment and then it takes on something later on. it doesn't work if you just take it intravenously and you sit in front of the television, by the way, every person talking and doing the questioning, know what they are aiming for is a sound bitable moment. >> it does seem like they are getting viral clip often takes precedence over the grunt work of questioning the witnesses. >> do not tell our bosses that i said this, but cameras in congress have been a failure.
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look, there are special circumstances where you might want to have cameras in for something like the mccarthy hearings or as they did in watergate, but the verdict of past 40 years that a televised congress doesn't make the work product better, it actually affect it is way the members of congress do their work because there's the performative element, how much better would hearings be if they were not screening for cameras and doing the work? howie: tedious and repetitive, maybe few moments of drama, why is everybody taking an 8-hour hearing, 11-hour hearing if it's not on television? >> you want to do the right thing, you want to be appropriate, okay, we are going to live up to our duty and here it is, take it away from the networks so they don't have any choice, do the right thing, congress, take television away. howie: controversial position that will not be acted on. [laughter] >> chris stirewalt, thank you
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>> in the wake of house judiciary committee party votes to impeach donald trump, sean spicer. sean, the president tweeted this weekend that it's hard to believe that fox news will be interviewing, quote, sleaze bag comey. fake news and cnn are watching ratings tank, fredo on cnn is dying, that's insulting name for chris cuomo only profox trump do well. do you believe that fox news shouldn't interview -- >> no, part of the reason to
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interview him is to expose him. i don't think he gets tough questions when he goes on msnbc and cnn. if he doesn't go to fox news, even adam schiff, they can't expose them because they will get softball questions not only cnn and msnbc but a lot of the networks as well. this happens on a lot of sunday shows, i respectfully disagree because being able to get the tough questions and have people like james comey get questioned, i agree with him, it's allow today crack through the talks points that he gives cnn and msnbc and doesn't get pushback from. howie: this is a news network and i know the president disagrees with that, now i know as well you strongly support the president who you worked for, but can you acknowledge that even if his dealings with the ukraine were totally justified and even which can easily be argued this doesn't rise to the level of impeachment, that
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president's call with zelensky weren't perfect? >> wasn't or it wasn't? howie: the president says perfect and can you acknowledge however you may feel about this that it certainly wasn't a perfect phone call? >> well, clearly, i mean, with the controversy that's erupted but i think that the democrats and most of the media has clearly taken this and decided what it was not necessarily look at the transcript, the president has gone above and beyond in terms of transparency and, again, i think that there's a big difference with what he meant and what a lot of folks, the mainstream media and clearly on the left are saying he meant. i know the campaign has done the same to actually read the transcript. howie: okay, look, clearly, we mentioned that this was true to a large extent also with bill clinton's impeachment. this is a one-party impeachment. no republicans have signed onto it and probably will not. so my question is, do you think that most of the media coverage of these impeachment proceedings
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has been one sided? >> oh, that's not even questionable. i think i watched some of the interviews that a lot of your colleagues in the other networks and even some of the reporters in terms of print coverage, there's no question, they've decided it, there's so many cases where reporters have left the role of being journalists and going straight into opinion and several other sunday show that is i've watched or read the transcript of over the last couple of weeks and have made it very clear what side they are on. let me touch on something, howie that you said in the beginning, when it comes to the partisanship and you look at comments of jerry nadler and you look at comments of adam schiff, of nancy pelosi talking about whether it's -- the current impeachment process or the impeachment process that occurred when their party was under attack during bill clinton's presidency and they've always talked about this idea of bipartisanship and yet what do we potentially have right now, you're right, there isn't one republican that has signaled any
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intent of voting for impeachment, but there are a few democrats who are talking about voting against impeachment, in fact, last night we have strong indications that one current democratic member of congress from new jersey is going to flip parties. howie: right. >> the interesting thing about this and this goes to the media as well, when it comes to a bipartisan effort, the bipartisan effort is actually against impeachment, not for it and it has gotten no acknowledgment, i've seen over and over this commentary about how it's along party lines, not true, we don't know that for certain and any indication that we have actually shows that it goes in the president's favor against impeachment, not in the democrats' favor. and they are the ones that put the line in the sand saying it needs to be bipartisan and it's the opposite of what they said. howie: i certainly would say is predominantly along party lines, new york times had a piece the other day, the president is discussing with 9 whether to
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skip the 2020 election because of his concern about the fairness of the moderators having been chosen it. would you advice him to take such a drastic step? >> he did very well in the debates last cycle, no matter who the current democrat nominee will be, i think he has an opportunity to really contrast his accomplish meants -- accomplishments and his agenda. i think he's right and smart to challenge the current presidential commission on debates because the idea that these guys decide lock, stock and barrel, when they are going to debate, who the moderator is and i would say for both parties and i would say especially for this president, he has shown time and time again that he isn't going the play by the traditional rules and he should stand up for himself and the campaign, he shouldn't be left with deciding whoever they choose from the mainstream media will dictate this, we have seen over and over again how the
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debates can be crucial. i think he's smart for standing up for this point. howie: we will see how that plays, sean spicer, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you, howie. howie: former top aide for hillary clinton responds as part of fair and balance coverage, big league botching on time's big league botching on time's person of the year so nice to meet you june, jay, ji, kay, raj, and... ray! good job, brain! say hello to neuriva, a new brain supplement with clinically proven ingredients that fuel five indicators of brain performance. neuriva.
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♪ ♪ ♪ howie: joining us from new york with opposing point of
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view, former state department official and confidant of hillary clinton, felipe would i've watched all 3 major channels over the last week and two of them, msnbc and cnn have spent a lot of time grappling and how much time they should be spending on the actual vote and accusations against donald trump for covering the accusations against hunter biden, if you look at fox, i don't think there's been a whole lot of breakdown between the merits of the impeachment argument going after hunter biden and that makes a real difference. they've been unusually confused, they being cnn and msnbc. howie: washington post report that is nancy pelosi and company
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are nervous and worried that half dozen or more democrats might defect when it comes to impeachment vote on the house floor. doesn't seem that the media or your party and the president often says that the media partners with the democrats has been able to persuade this other half or 45% of the country that donald trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors, everything seems stuck. >> first, if you go back to the beginning of this here, impeachment was stuck somewhere in the 30's, we are now at 50 and i believe according to fox poll 54% -- howie: 50%. >> 54 think he should be impeached. howie: okay. >> the idea that the needle is not moving is comical. in terms of the media coverage, the media seems to be very bored by the actual substance of it and what's exciting to them is
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this notion of twofold, one is the needle moving from minute to minute and 2, are their defectors and the defector comment, yes, a democrat is leaving, i will tell you, i will give you a secret, justin omash was a republican that left for the same reasons, it doesn't matter, i believe there's 433 members of congress because of congressman cummings passing away and katie hill, so the magic number is 217 and nancy pelosi knows she has more than enough votes, so again i think -- howie: there's no question. >> media drama about it is media trying to instill some kind of excitement into something that's fundamentally pretty boring. howie: i think it's been at around 50% or little bit less for several weeks during saturation, nonstop of hearings, raises the question why it hasn't had more impact. >> again, going back to the point where two-thirds of the
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country didn't want this to happen, the majority want it to happen, i'm not sure at what point there's a magic number that everyone says, okay, the country wants to have it, 2 weeks from now it's at 55, donald trump and the republicans will still be saying well it's only 55%, i don't think there's a number at which donald trump and the republicans say, oh, okay, a lot want to have it but the second point i would make is we are heading into the trial phase of this and the house is a lively place to put it polite and you have the 5 minutes on 5 minutes off between majority and minority and you have a lot of sparring and not a lot to do, the trial is going to be as the senate is a lot more dignified, my point is if you look at the last 2 years starting with the mueller report when there has been focused on the evidence on the facts they have not gone well for the president in terms of polling, you're going to have a multiweek, maybe one week, maybe 2 weeks, maybe 5 weeks of a trial where there are going to be house members, democrats,
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functioning as managers who give up, get up and make the case without a jim jordan yelling from his seat, without a matt gaetz, it'll be very different, you don't know what does or doesn't move the needle, but i tell you what the only needle that matters is 217 votes and the needle is moving -- howie: we are short on time, i have a half a minute here, as i mentioned with sean spicer, you went through 2016 debates with hillary clinton, what do you make of "the new york times" reporting that the president is at least saying out of more than skip the general election debate which is are so crucial? >> yeah, i'm not surprised at all. i think if anything he wants to leave himself flexibility, the whole point of the commission is they set the number of debates and the location of the debates so much ahead of time people can plan, that's sort of the opposite of what donald trump wants, donald trump wants the flexibility to only do one, only do two, only do three or maybe do none, now what sean says that
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i take issue with is that he did well in 2016, he did not do well in 2016 and if he had done well in 2016 he wouldn't be so worried about it now, the important thing to note in 2016 one of the 3 debates was moderate bid a fox host. howie: chris wallace. i thought you might take issue with sean's point. >> it's donald trump's point, sean is being a dutiful soldierful. howie: good to see you. >> thanks, howie. howie: anxious about every other these people didn't sleep well last night.
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♪ ♪ ♪ howie: here is the over arching question, what impact on media an other institutions? for 50 years now the steady degradation of trust and institutions and gatekeepers of american life has been important trend for media and politics, explain. >> what we see when we look at the polling data over the course of past half century is that declining trust and all sorts of institutions that have been central to americans existence as americans and that isn't limited to government incompetence, things of that nature, but rising distrust in
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big business, in the media, in the congress, in churches, in wall street and even in sports league, manage cheating or doping. what that really does is it chips away at all things that have made it possible for us to live a very unique existence as americans, it's something that i think we should all be concerned about and what i'm most concerned about in this story line is that the media is once again just as they did at the end of the period of robert mueller's investigation, just as they did in terms of how much they got it wrong in 2016 election, they are not having the level that they ought to have, why did we tell a story that was so incomplete for so long. howie: washington post has a blockbuster series of obtaining confidential documents about how 3 administrations, bush administration, obama and trump lied and misled about the afghan war, we have been now 18 years. this wasn't the paper's opinion, interviews with top officials, all kinds of documents, got very little pickup.
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>> a huge story and shouldn't -- most americans aren't that surprised that the government has been spinning the story about the afghanistan war to them over the years, but it should be the biggest story that we are talking about because we've spent a trillion dollars and lost more than 2300 american lives in a war that we really don't know the purpose of anymore and, yet, this story was not the one people were paying attention to. in fact, i consulted with internet source that tracks these things and in the past this sort of thing, jake tapper raised it and cnn did no segments on afghan papers but did 4 segments on the controversy about the president -- howie: marvel comics villain. a picture that we have it, donald trump. less than a limit left, 30 second left. is that what is causing people to retreat to their own story lines? >> i think that's part of the problem but only part of it, really what is most important is
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that we start talking to our neighbors, prioritizing different things within our communities and not get caught in the trap of looking at our ourselves as being the victim and being under assault. howie: a trap it is, indeed. still to come, a new film on falsely accused bomber richard, shows female reporter sleeping with her source and the paper says, that's unfair drivers just wont put their phones down. we need a solution. introducing... smartdogs. the first dogs trained to train humans. stopping drivers from: liking. selfie-ing. and whatever this is. available to the public... never. smartdogs are not the answer. but geico has a simple tip. turn on "do not disturb while driving" mode. brought to you by geico.
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howard: britt mchenry a host at "fox nation," an occasion guest on this program filed a sexual harrassment suit against fox news and tie russ and was to be a co-host. the suit alleges that he sent her sexually explicit messages. at a time, she complained in a suit several times to fox management. which assigned him to different show. mchenry tweeting i'm standing up for women and what is right.
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spokesperson said as we stated miss mchenry's allegations were tulley investigated and which confident that. deemed entirely appropriate in litigation. tyrus says the claims are false. richard jewell as responsible for the 1996 olympic bombings, the. >> frustrated white man who is police wannabe who seeks to become a hero. >> we're running it. >> i report the facts. >> you have ruined this man's life. howard: the movie clearly implies that the late reporter kathy scruggs played by olivia wilde was sleeping with an fbi agent to get the story. the constitution is demanding eastwood and warner brothers issue a statement that some events were fictionalized. warner brothers says the complaint is baseless. it is based on a wide range of highly credible source material.
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eastwood says the newspaper is trying to rationalize what it did. if the film-makers don't have the evidence to back that up. they should admit it is fiction. "time" magazine's pick as "person of the year," 16-year-old climate activist greta thunberg was controversial. president trump drew intense flak from mocking her, that she should work on anger management program. they thought it would be -- "washington free beacon" touted biggest exclusive the time before, the time had picked whistleblower. not much of an exclusive when it turns out not to be true. check out the media buzz meter podcast. subscribe at apple itunes, google play, fox news podcast.com or on your amazon device to help you also follow our facebook page. we post my daily columns there. let us know what you think about
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