interview with attorney general william barr. tucker carlson up next in washington, d.c. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." you know the feeling you have after some momentous life-changing event? the birth of a child, funeral, or unexpected medical diagnosis. those are the moments that define your life, of course. you wake up the next morning and realize nothing will ever be the same. well, deafly not the feeling you probably had this morning. they impeach the president last night and, if we are being honest, didn't make any difference. despite loud and urgent noises amplified by the mouth breeders on cable television, drumroll,

nothing changed. we didn't learn anything. but we grew. democrat seemed also theatrically insincere when they began this process some weeks ago and by yesterday, they were every bit as fraudulent. >> i solemnly and sadly open the debate on the impeachment of the president of the united states. >> it's with profound sadness i stand here today in support of these articles of impeachment. >> i'm saddened we are here today. >> i rise on a sad day for america sad day for taxes, and the very sad day for the people i represent. >> sad day for our country and our democracy. >> this is indeed a sad day for our country. >> this is a very sad day. >> madame speaker, this is a sad day in u.s. history. >> i have to say this is a sad day. >> this is a sad day! it's not a day of joy. >> tucker: [chuckles]

you can mock the mindless conformity of what you just saw. but honestly, you've got to admire the discipline that a moment like that must've required. these are people by and large with disorganized and chaotic personal lives bear that's why they are leftists in the first place. because they are deeply unhappy. they don't make their bed. they are hate their dad for they are dramatic in their deficiency. for a moment, onlookers began to cheer. they had to remind him to shut up. >> the yeas are 230. the names are 197. present is one. article one is adopted. >> tucker: yeah! hush! ixnay on the earingshay!

they couldn't just keep a straight face. after last night's vote went through, the newspaper's congressional reporting team, air quotes around all of that, went out to dinner to celebrate what they called "merry impeachment," the one holiday celebrate. it wasn't solemn enough, pelosi's orders for the embargo on pathetic emotion finally ended. the mission had been accomplished and democrats were finally allowed to break character and be themselves, if only briefly. and so they where. they conceived that impeachment was awesome. pelosi herself set the new town. watch. >> we've been hearing from people all over the country in the last -- since last night and this morning. it seems like people have a spring in their step. >> tucker: wow! that's not what we were told, but things change but it turns out impeachment is not a sad event. it's not solemn. no. it's a pinata party!

it's a cause for celebration! don't worry, it was never about saving the republic or preserving the constitution, none of that heavy stuff we told you before. the long speeches about the framers question were just kidding! say democrats. impeachment was never about removing the president. no. it was always a prank. a flaming bag of dog bombs on the country's step. we made our point, we don't need to continue. that's what they are saying. that's the new talking point. it's hard to believe, but the tape does not lie. senior democrats are not telling us they may not even pass articles of impeachment onto the senate. in fact, no less than house minority whip jim clyburn aging democrats to let impeachment die. watch this. >> are you suggesting that you'll never transmit the articles of impeachment? >> if it were me, yes, that's what i'm saying. i do not know what the speaker is going to do, but if we will

have an outcome that's negative to your actions, why walk into it? i'd much rather not take that chance. >> tucker: oh! after three years of nonstop screeching about the moral necessity of impeachment -- by the way, the left specializes in screeching about moral necessity, they tell us that they do not want impeachment. are you confused? that's only because you do not think like a leftist. to interpret what's actually happening in washington, we are joined by a legitimate expert on the ways of the city, someone who has learned this through suffering. jeff sessions spent decades in the united states senate before becoming the country's attorney general. he's now running for senate once again from which he joins us. thank you so much for coming on. what do you make of this? why are democrats telling us after all these years that they do not want to pass articles on to the senate?

>> one reason may well be, tucker, they can imagine what it's going to be like on the floor of the senate. i remember when the clinton impeachment went forward and i was in the senate, lindsey graham was a congressman and one of the presenters, the managers of the case, they laid out based on a record in the house a detailed prosecution basically of three separate felonies that clinton had committed, and i believe they proved it beyond a reasonable dart to a moral certainty. i can't imagine what would happen when you end up with one of these vague charges like abuse of power or obstruction of justice. it all could be laughable. it would've been so much better for america had they done it before they voted this impeachment. that does damage to our country, to weaken the moral authority and the constitution

requirements of impeachment. >> tucker: it's also confusing as heck, if i can say, and bizarre. so they spent three years shouting this, we go through the whole rigmarole of passing through these charges, in effect, and now they are telling us they do not want to press them? why did they do that? wouldn't it be easier to keep screeching and not go through the process of impeachment? >> absolutely. i thought they might even do that. it came clear to me, the articles of impeachment themselves prove that there is not in the basement for an impeachment here. it's on absolute abuse. why they didn't stop before they voted this way, i can't even imagine. they made it even worse by voting impeachment, and now losing their nerve when they have to them present the week case. >> tucker: you are running for senate in alabama but as noted you spent decades in the senate,

basically donning virtually everyone in it. with the deep knowledge you have of the body, tell us how likely it is, if they make it to the senate, the president will be convicted or removed? >> i think a zero chance. it's so easy for republicans to prove and establish, and they will in their speeches and in the record they produce, that this is not a justifiable impeachment. the american people need to fully understand that this is not a justifiable impeachment. abuse of power because the president made me angry is not a basis for impeachment. >> tucker: it's not! being angry is not a high crime or misdemeanor. i have to ask you, since you are one of the early and persistent voices on trade in the republican party, a lone voice and a lot of the times. the usmca passes the house, the trade deal with canada and mexico. is it a good deal for the

united states? >> it's so much better than thereafter. and i travel with president trump all over this country and i saw him hammering there after. he said it was the worst trade deal in history. he can't believe they negotiated such an abomination. he alone had the courage to take it on. nobody else was saying that. he has pushed it through congress. it's a great victory for him. he did the right thing for america. it wouldn't have happened had he not led. the democrats are trying to claim some credit? okay. but he got it done. and it's clearly better for america than the old nafta agreement. >> tucker: that is senator sessions, thank you for coming on. appreciate it. >> thank you. merry christmas. >> tucker: merry christmas. congress and mike johnson represents shreveport, louisiana. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on.

you are a serving member of the house of representatives. now democrats are telling us, just kidding. what was this about? >> unbelievable. they were breathless with this sense of urgency. the reason they brought article two of the impeachment articles is because he was obstructing congress. what did that mean? he didn't willingly give you all of the direct medications he had with high-ranking the sultans with the white house? that's what every administration has done. we have to get this done right now, donald trump is next essential threat to the republic. he's a threat to the constitution. they were saying this 48 hours ago. suddenly, we are just going to hold it in the billions but we'll see what happens. it's comedy. >> tucker: do they have a plan? it's confusing from us on the outside looking in. maybe we are giving them too much credit. are they dumb? >> can i tell you the inside of you? they have no plan. they've been making this up as

they've gone along. engineered with a top secret hearings that adam schiff had in the basements, they are literally making this up as they go. pelosi, someone had the analogy today, she doesn't know what to do with it right now. she lives at all over the wall. mcconnell ready for it, president ready, he wants to go to trial. they have created for themselves a real mess and i think it's political malpractice. >> tucker: by the way, couldn't happen to better people or be more deserved in my view. what do you think is likely to happen? >> very good question. i know what will happen in the meantime that the country will be further divided. this is why the founding fathers feared a single party impeachment. they don't go down the road because will divide the public perhaps irreparably. they should've never done this. it's a single party impeachment and is completely evidence free. there is no merit whatsoever to either of these two articles and it's going to be so easy for the senate to bat it down. i think they should have some

trial, but we might not get the chance because pelosi may never send it over. >> tucker: do you think that's a possibility? this might be the end of impeachment? it'd be half an impeachment. >> anything would be possible at this point but we've learned not to be surprised with the democrats in charge. it says in the resolution of charges, the democrats in charges, of exhibiting the articles in the senate. it doesn't say a time limit, doesn't say when. the prisms and would be that they run it right over there. they were so urgent in a pair that's not happening. we'll see what develops. >> tucker: it's the weirdest thing that i think i've ever seen. you confirmed a lot of our suspicions. hard to believe they are trooping throughout the impeachment process, the party to keep abortion legal until the moment of birth says it was necessary, all of it being done on the behalf of -- wait for it, the children. >> i cannot look at my granddaughter or any future of generations in the eyes having condoned actions that undermine

our democratic system. >> i have two grandchildren and they will want to know what i did to stop him. >> and our grandchildren will be left with what we did here today. >> i will tell my grandson that i stood up for our democracy. >> that is my duty as a mother. >> when future lutheran learned about president trump's impeachment, i want my daughter to be able to tell their children that i did the right thing because in america nobody is above the law. >> tucker: tom davis cofounded "the federalist." that's why he's joining us tonight. john davis, a torrent of cliches, great to see you tonight. this was done for the children. if you were to rank the various explanations we've heard for impeachment, founding fathers, bribery, for the children, which is the most compelling, would you say? >> gosh, i do not think there is

been a compelling one. the do it for the kids nonsense? it didn't work out. trump is a traitor, he committed bribery, extortion. none of that work. they'll it's a laugh riot coming from a party that believes in unlimited taxpayer funded abortions up to the moment of birth and a party that's been a big part of building up 23 trillion in our national debt that they kids are going to have to pay, so you'll have to forgive me if i don't buy it. >> tucker: exactly. moments ago, amy klobuchar senator running for president, a nice person, i think. maybe not the brightest, but she proposed this as a global watergate, i think that's the phrase. without the contests down the context, would you dare to guest means? >> i have no idea. i'm a little worried about the staff that wrote that for her where she is going to get brutalized afterward because it doesn't make any sense to me.

>> tucker: i'm getting a second answer in the earpiece, apologies if i have that wrong. it's no dumber. a global watergate? my instinct is the democrats have walked into a man trap of their own making. this is going to hurt them. is that wishful thinking? >> no. it's been such a debacle, it's like watching a bunch of monkeys trying to pump a doorknob. they said is an urgent threat to remove >> tucker: please take that back, i want that image out of my head. i want to say sorry to our viewers because that'll haunt a lot of them. >> this whole thing culminated after we were told that there is this a urgent threat and then doing exactly nothing and holding the impeachment articles overthrew the new year. so all the rhetoric has been absolute nonsense. it's been bad faith from the beginning. they are in such a mess that i do not know how they get

themselves out of it at this point. >> tucker: i kind of agree. it seems like the problem is nobody is in charge. you have pelosi who is no genius, but she does understand politics. i think that she does have grandchildren in real life and she wants the country to continue. she's on the one side. you have people like alexandria collier cortez who is like an open bigot nihilist who's got no kids, doesn't care about the country and pushing it in another direction. nobody is running the thing? >> i almost feel bad about pelosi because i don't think she's an idiot. she basically got bullied into this by her own caucus. she was trying to avoid it for years, even though dems wanted from the beginning and she finally lost control. i think it's the squad and the most deranged and delusional of the left-wing base calling the shots and that's why it's become such a mess for them. >> tucker: man. the last question, president saying he would like a trial asap.

if your political matter, that's a fair thing to ask for. as a political matter, what do you think helps the president more? >> that is a tough question. if i were the one being charged, i would want a full trial, i want the facts to come out, i want it to be shown i didn't do anything wrong, but the senate doesn't want to go down the road to repeat what the house has done and waste all the time that nobody cares about and is not going to happen. i get his frustrations, but i see why the senate is doing what it's doing. >> tucker: not like there's nothing else going on in the world. like we are in trouble and need to address it. great to see you tonight and thank you on behalf of the children for what you have said. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the fbi turns out it lied to a federal court in order to spy on a u.s. citizen. no big deal say are catalyzed our allies on cable news! the leaders of our law enforcement committee, they lied to the public as well.

no speculation, the ig report confirmed it, but also stop short to say that any of this was done for political reasons. okay! the inspector general himself is saying, that does nothing to exonerate the fbi. another twist and turn in the sordid tale of america's law enforcement agency after the break. [ dramatic music ]

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all on spying u.s. citizens not incidentally happen to be working for the trump campaign. no precedent for what happened. the only upside for all of this? the point that the fbi's many defenders on cable news are trumpeting, that according to that report committee's accusers were not by political bias. the inspector general michael horowitz pushed fact on that interpretation for the investor gets and didn't uncover any documents or evidence of bias, s were attacking trump voters as walmart shoppers -- they were doing that. sorry. that's not the same as proving that the russian investigation was free of partisanship. senator josh hawley has been watching this very carefully. he represents the state of missouri and always happy to have them on the show. senator, thank you for coming up. there is a meaningful one saying

we didn't find any evidence that this was motivated by political animists, and that there was no bias. correct? >> that's exactly right. what the inspector general said to me, tucker, there may have well been political bias when it came time for the fbi to go get surveillance warrants on carter page. that's the trump campaign aide that they surveilled, who they eavesdropped on during the presidential campaign. we have to be really clear here, all the inspector general said in his report is that when they open the case file that he couldn't find any evidence of bias. but opening the case file is one thing. actually going out to get warrants, eavesdropping? that something totally different. the inspector general told me that there could've been bias with no circumstances. >> tucker: there are so many layers of irony here, but the most obvious is the president was impeached yesterday because he talked to the president of ukraine and mentioned potential malfeasance by the son of his potential political opponent in

this campaign. that's impeachable! the last administration literally pulled a fisa warrant on his political enemies, but that's no big deal? how does this work? >> you are absolutely right, tucker. this is unprecedented in our history. this dossier we now know that is totally fake, they fed it to the fbi, and the fbi used it and lied to a court, not once, not twice, not three times, four times, in order to intervene effectively in a presidential election to get a warranty eavesdropped on a presidential campaign, and the democrats knew this. during the campaign, they knew it. they got news stories written during the campaign that the fbi and other agencies were investigating trump, trying to influence the election. it's absolutely extraordinary, and the fbi -- there's got to be a major reform, tucker. we cannot allow this to be happening. >> tucker: a tool for the trump doj to get fisa warrants

on bernie sanders with their ties to venezuela. would that be all right, do you think? >> could you imagine what would happen if that were the case? of course it would be all right. it would be an abuse of power! that's what happened when the fbi lied to the fisa court and use pay political opposition to get out surveillance warrants on a present central campaign. >> tucker: it seems very clear and you expressed it clearly. thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: the ongoing decline of our political culture has tracked closely with the decline of standards at cnn, which has been precipitous. just yesterday, the network spent the entire day working unpaid we assumed for nancy pelosi. parroting her talking points to the letter about how solemnly and prayerful impeachment is. >> you can feel it in the air here. it feels different. it's palpable that this is

momentous, that this is grave. again, it is not something that the speaker wanted to do. >> there is a somber, somber mood up on capitol hill. >> she said it's a sad day and sober day, but this is a hard one for speaker pelosi. she was initially against this, but this is a solomon wait a moment. it's a right, solemn moment, but it's a reminder of how our system is supposed to work. >> tucker: the far left is deftly fired up about this prayt it's a solemn moment. >> trump made fun of the fact that nancy pelosi is prayerful and it's a somber moment? it is. it really is. >> tucker: if you have any self-respect at all, you do not read other people talking points unless they are paying you in cash. the embarrassment at cnn is not on the air, it's digital. this morning, cnn's reporter marshall colling tweeted this,

saying, "it's impossible not to notice how trump and putin are on the same page." bullet point, trump being impeached there was no collusion! [chuckling] get that. following the reason from cnn's reporter? donald trump is annoyed that he was impeached, based on a hoax? he's colluding with vitamin e or vladimir putin. does that not mean that vladimir putin is doing the bidding of trump? it's just more crap from the cnn and no reason to watch that channel. as we reported on this program because it's news you can use, cnn paying millions of dollars to pump propaganda into america's airports, holding its hapless travelers hostage.

cnn has contracts with 58 airports across this country. it pays them more than $100,000 each on average to play cnn nobody watches it. it's garbage. this service is likely costing cnn $6 million a year, but they do it anyway because what is the value of propaganda? author and columnist mark steyn joins us to assess all of this. so cnn pays to assault you at airports? i'm not saying they should be a crime, but i'm thinking it sounds like one. >> they pay over $6 million to boulder people, hit people and airports. for $6 million, they can afford to buy "murder she wrote" reruns with angela lansbury and they might have actually a chance at some ratings. instead, if you go over lax yesterday while the anchors were

talking about what a sad, somber, solemn full day it is, people did look sad, somber, sorrowful, and solemn, but it's because they had been stuck at gate 59 watching wolf blitzer for four hours. what's going on here, tucker, is important for the future. american air travel is the most advanced form of the progressive state. it's everything progressive ones. no smoking, no probable cause, the tsa guy gets out the latex glove and wants to give you an enhanced pat down. you've got no say in it. if you disrespect the process, the flight attendant will be thrown off the plane and the rest of it. the perfect complement for that kind of coerced safe space is to have wolf blitzer and anderson cooper along for the ride. when they say to me, we might

give you an enhanced pat down, i say sure, take your time, there is nothing on the other side of the tsa except anderson cooper interviewing the full hour. get as many latex gloves as you want and take your time! >> tucker: [laughter] you are saying the don lemond is the soundtrack of the authoritarianism of tomorrow, the brain new world we are entering. >> cnn is the perfect soundtrack of the course safe space. they aim to reach the hundred 29 million people through airports, which is 328 million, 990,000 more than they reach out airports. and most of our 329 million people is one over fold of the united flight at gate 22 at laguardia, it still means that people are being forced to watch cnn without any choice in the matter. that's the future these guys are

planning for you, folks. in the end, the new america will be like the airport. >> tucker: compulsory cable news! whether you want it or not! genius. great to see you tonight. >> thanks a lot, trump. >> tucker: here's a sentence we've read before and it's true before they'll make every time. bizarre new evidence in the jeffrey epstein case for you. we'll tell you what they are next.

>> tucker: as you well know, they are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the way jeffrey epstein died. the overworked guards working for free, the botched there was another development that was surprising, if not more than that. the officials in the video footage of epstein's first suicide in manhattan are missing, apparently destroyed. officials said they recover the footage, remains to be seen if there's anything suspicious about it or what's on it. that's what we are talking to ed gavin, retired deputy warden for the new york city of correctio corrections. what do you make of this? >> the fact that the right hand does not know what the left and is doing is certainly suspect.

another thing that i would say, i will add to it. when the probe team initially responded to the attempted suicide, they should've responded to the area with a handheld camera. in addition to the cameras that are fixed and positioned on the walls, they should've been recording everything going on during the response. really, they should've had two sets of tapes. so something is not right. the right hand does not know what the left and is doing. >> tucker: especially in this case. this is not a guy awaiting a dui hearing, this is the most famous prisoner in the united states. also as a conspiracy theories, there was a ton of attention. given that, these lapses seem even weirder. >> in addition to that, the fact that they place jeffrey epstein in a cell with nicholas tartaglia who's a former former new york police officer? he's a suicide risk and an escape risk.

i have a letter from marine comey, the united states attorney in my hand, and i was doing some research. july 3rd in this letter states this to come 20 days before he became a cellmate with epstein, he was found to be in possession of a cell phone. how does a maximum-security prisoner who allegedly killed four people, one who has ties to a mexican drug cartel, get a cell phone into his cell? that's contraband. his attorney is now trying to stop the government from getting a search warrant to check the phone out. i do not know what's going on at this place, but it gets crazier by the minute. then i have another letter from his attorney, and he basically states in some substance that he's suffering from depression, assaulted, taken out of protective custody, he's got a metal plate in his head. why would you put these guys in

the same salad? this whole thing doesn't make any sense. >> tucker: what you're saying this guy who was but for reasons not clear as the same cell as jeffrey epstein was commuting with people on the outside? >> the fact he was able to get a cell phone in a federal jail and he's a maximum-security prisoner, he's an escape risk and a suicide risk, and you take jeffrey epstein who was also an escape risk, the reason he's an escape risk is got 500 for the $7 million in the bank and can pay people to facilitate an escape. i do not know if you are aware of this stuff, since 1978 there have been six attempts in federal prisons where people have flown in helicopters to remove inmates from custody. anything is possible. i do not know what this warden is thinking about over there, but security is basically thrown out with the bathwater. i just don't get it. >> more to the point in possession of a lot more

incriminating information that might ruin the lives of influential people. >> i will say one more thing, tucker. our government has failed us but when the federal government have the chance to prosecute epstein in 2008, he should've gone to jail under federal charges. the biggest failure there, i believe that investigation that no one is talking about? it's this. child protective services was never notified. they were never any cps involved, and these children should have been taken -- >> tucker: do you know who wasn't notified? an entire legion of lawyers, some of them who i know, both democrat and republican, who got them off. >> exactly. >> tucker: thank you for being here tonight. a new reason to build a border wall and has a plan to actually build it. why? because he's a sincere environmentalist. that's why. he cares about the environment. you should too. interesting segment just ahead. if you see wires down,

treat them all as if they are hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911 and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe.

>> tucker: kind of an amazing development. trace gallagher has the details for us tonight. >> joe biden's doctor let off his three will page paper that says biden is a healthy, vigorous 77-year-old but has a caveat, that biden has an irregr heartbeat, high cholesterol, and a history of brain aneurysms. but dr. david shiner, who was barack obama's personal physician for 22 years before he became president said biden's report has red flags, specifically with what dr. china believed is the former vice president's potential for strokes, saying he would like to see an mri or ct scanned. in fact, dr. shiner sees it

interesting that considering his past health problems, the new report does not mention a new mri, saying that i had no idea biden had such a history. my goodness gracious, he's got a lot of history. the report also says nothing about biden's vision, even though his eye filled with blood during a town hall. biden blamed a contact lens mishap. finally, the report does not that joe biden has an enlarged prostate and has undergone surgeries for orthopedic injuries. tucker? >> tucker: eyes filling with blood? not a big deal peer people are so uptight. trace gallagher, good to see you. thanks to america's border crisis, every year tens and thousands of people come illegally across our southern border. immigrants come out drug traffickers in some cases. they coming in the desert along the u.s.-mexico border. the fragile desert ecosystem there are damaged by that. that's been known for a long time. if you cared about the environment, you would care

about that. anyone who raises alarms is called names. we don't care because we care about the environment in this country. a member of president trump's cabinet is here tonight to tell us about what the administration is doing in the face of this crisis. dan gerhart is the u.s. secretary of the interior and he joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: this has been a problem acknowledged by every democrat and republican ministrations for a long time for decades. it's a real problem. what is his administration doing to help fix this? >> of the reality is common sense tells us that when you hae tremendous trafficking, trails, trash, debris and fires, you have a lot of damage to native vegetation, wildlife, and to the ecosystem. spewing trash, debris, and fires. so we are not allowed to be concerned about that. but if you care about the environment, that would be a concern. >> you sure would think so, indeed. i went down and personally inspected a couple of sites on

the border and the reality was where we put a wall, we had habitat restoration taking place. environmental flora and fauna began to come back instead of it being trampled. the reality is the wall will provide additional environmental benefits. that is simply a fact. >> tucker: a huge percentage, at least half of the wildfires along the border are caused by people illegally bring environment of groups don't say anything about that. why don't they? >> it doesn't fit the narrative. the reality is those people that claim to be the most opposed to the wall also claim to be the most pro-environmental some buyers don't make supporters out there. it doesn't fit with their narrative. the reality is ad hoc trails, debris, are extraordinary in the magnitude that they have on the public lands. the public lands, we have

wilderness areas that have essentially been destroyed by illegal activity. spewing including illegal marijuana farming. >> absolutely. >> tucker: dumping chemicals in the streams. >> radio silence. >> tucker: can you believe a greater betrayal to ignore environmental degradation like that? >> it something we can do something about. there are a number of environmental issues when you look at it, that would be hard to solve. here is one where we can have a solution. lower the number of people coming across, provide the grounds of restoration, and get on with it. >> tucker: what do you say to people who say that it's immoral to wants to protect the natural landscape of the southwest united states? >> the reality is they've never been there. you know... >> tucker: people live in apartments in brooklyn lecturing you about the environment

doesn't affect you, is that what you're saying? >> that's exactly right. the reality is they have not been on the ground. they have not seen the tremendous devastation. anybody that has walks away with a recognition that we need to have common sense solutions, solutions that are real, solutions that would lead to results. unfortunately and fortunately we have apresido bring the power of the government to stop insanity and we are trying it. >> tucker: build a wall for the environment. >> exactly. >> tucker: secretary, thank you so much for coming along. glad someone is doing something tangible to help the environment. the u.s. government quietly spent millions of dollars investigating ufos. then they lied about it. why have they lied about it? one reporter says he knows why. interesting. stay tuned. home ownership means something different to veterans. it means freedom.

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♪ >> tucker: here is a story that unlike impeachment actually matters. ufos for years treated as the stuff of cranks and weirdos, but recently people interested in any topic have been joined by a formidable ally, the american military. turns out for years, the pentagon spent millions investigating in the ufo phenomenon. they've lied about it, however. in a recent piece for the "washington examiner," columnist

tom rogan has a theory of why they have been lying. tom rogan joins us tonight. maybe these objects are russian or chinese, but your piece points out that russia and china have literally lost aircraft chasing these things. they are not russian or chinese. >> we have a declassified british document, a research document into ufos that points out a couple of times actually that about four soviet pilots, perhaps russian pilots sins, were were lost, or lost. >> tucker: were killed. >> they have not been able to find out how. i have heard from someone that engaged was an appropriate word to use, they were trying to shoot these things down where the application. >> tucker: if russia, the china, u.s. have all had this experience, these are not... >> these are not. i think it's a clear assessment on part of the military. >> tucker: these are not made by human beings? >> i think that's a fair assessment based on the

capabilities, especially with some of the aircraft at the navy has seen in recent years of manifesting. that you have things that are going hundreds of miles in the water, instantaneous hypersonic acceleration, you basically have kip ability performance without jet propulsion. this stuff is not stuff that china or russia has anywhere near the kip ability of. >> tucker: is a physics thing. why is the pentagon lying about this? why have they been lying about it for so long? that's the question. i think one thing the pentagon does not fully understand what this thing is. they one conclusion, it ain't from here. they are from far it. >> tucker: they think this is x or correct stroll, to be blunt about it. >> something extra dimensional. >> tucker: not of this world. >> not from elon musk if it's

some billionaire somewhere. it's too advanced. it's also extraordinary to the degree when these things happen. we see a lot of coverage, not as much as we'd like to see on the navy in particular, but the nuclear synergy, the nuclear identifies. a guy, robert hasting wrote a book about this 10-15 years ago at some point probably going to become a best seller because it talks about these things actually deactivating in a couple of cases. u.s. and soviet icbms and the cold war. whatever these things are, intelligent machines, they are not ghost blips on the radar. also their ability to move through space, air, and hundreds of knots underwater in terms of friction periods. >> tucker: we are out of time and fortunately. we should've let the show with this. we should leave the show with this tomorrow with every other newscast. >> but you are covering it. >> tucker: we will cover it more. see you tomorrow.

we are out of time tonight. we will be back tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. good night from washington, d.c., the nation's capital whether you like it or not. sean hannity is next. sean? >> jason: almost sean hannity. >> tucker: jason! good to see you. >> jason: welcome to "hannity," and tonight for sean. after weeks of nonstop hysteria, dramatic earrings, and a lightning fast impeachment proceeding, nancy pelosi is no longer sure that she'll submit the articles of impeachment to the united states senate. that's right. democrats told us that the impeachment charade must move at record speed because the president of the united states is an imminent threat to the election. but they are in no hurry to make it official. watch