hall of fame. we will keep introducing you to fascinating people. have a great week. we will see you next fox news sunday. hello america i mark within. this is life, liberty and levin. pastor john, how are you. >> i'm doing well. >> it's my pleasure to be here. >> you are a pastor of a huge ministry, the cornerstone church in san antonio and your reaches beyond san antonio, obviously. how many evangelical christians are there. >> about 60 million.

>> 60 million so what is an evangelical christian. >> and someone who believes that the bible is the holy spirit inspired word of god. it is something that is factual, truthful, it's eternal, it's never changing. >> we almost never hear about evangelical christians in the mainstream media, where if we do, they are treated as peculiar or, like you go to the zoo and there in the reptile house and everybody else is looking for the panda. is not reflective of the culture or progressivism or what you think that's all about. >> it's indicative of the fact that america is slipping from its moral foundations of faith and bible principles into

secularism, the further into secularism you go, the further away from the word of god you go and when you are away from the word of god, you are away from god so they are out there swimming in an ocean of their own ego. their opinions, their secular humanist concepts and it will produce nothing but heartache and chaos because the real principles of society, the real principles of this nation are still in the word of god. mark: in fact, wasn't the founding on judeo-christian and beliefs and it's rarely taught in our government and public schools these days. >> america was founded when our pilgrims landed and they made a covenant with god that this nation would be a nation

that served the lord and our founding fathers when they put the constitution together remembered the principles of the word of god. our nation today is getting away from anything that looks like righteousness. righteousness means to be living according to the dictates of god. not according to my opinion or someone else's opinion, but according to what the word of god says is right and those principles begin with the ten commandments and those commandments are the foundational stones of morality and our country is going the other direction. he ended his paying an awesome price and the price is only just begun. mark: your last point, the price has only just begun, can a nation survive for long when

they reject. [inaudible] >> no. mark: and how do we begin to turn this around? >> right now, socialism is having a heyday. we have newly elected people in the u.s. congress that are using that platform to espouse principles of socialism. socialism, where everything is free is very attractive thought to young people, but in history socialism always produces heartache. adolf hitler came as a mane map of peace and prosperity. he was a socialist. that's what nazi means, the national socialist organization and he produced a nightmare of heartache were

50 million people were killed. joseph stalin was a socialist. he killed 30 million russians trying to convince them that socialism would really make russia the outstanding nation of the world. nothing has ever come out of socialism that has blessed anyone in the long run. it's a very detrimental, destructive thought both economically, morally and spiritually. >> you made a point about scandal scandinavia, that's what bernie sanders does, but the full application of socialism, whatever it is, is as you say, very bleak, very horrible for the individual. these societies that move in those directions reject god,

reject the bible, is that true. >> when you are socialist, you don't have a thing to do with the bible, you are on your own. when you are building something on the bible, you build it on faith in god, morality which means loyalty to your family, husbands are loyal to their wives, wives are loyal to their husbands, they build something and live together and sit for each other and the family is the cornerstone, has been the cornerstone in this country but right now because of this integration of the american family, 70% of the children living in american homes right now are not living with their birth parents, with both birth parents. we have a situation in our

country where the family has been replaced by governmental support and the authority of the father in the home is a thing of mockery and we are paying an awesome price and our young people are into drugs and anarchy is sweeping the nation because a child that's left to its own way will bring to its father's shame. a child that does not hear the principles of righteousness out of the mouth of his father or out of the mouth of its mother will always go into the streets in search for a leader and those leaders are leaders of gangs and leaders of a lifestyle that's detrimental to america so the great crisis in america has been because of

the failure in the home of the father to take the leadership of that part of society that will produce children to be the president of the united states. mark: what you make of the growing extremism in the democrat party whether it's cultural or economic, and the growing thing that i would argue is anti- somatic. this is a major party in the united states. what you make about. >> i make of it that the democratic party has lost its way. there was a time 25 or 35 years ago when republicans and democrats could talk to each other across the aisle, but now hostility is so abound that they are at war and refused to do anything to be of assistance to president

trump. president trump has done a marvelous job as president with the bickering that he has to deal with, the fake news, the attacks on him, the members of his family and steadfastly he keeps pressing a way to protect and defend the united states of america both at home and abroad. mark: you have created an organization called cu fi, christians united for israel, it's become an enormous organization. i think i read 7 million member members. you are a big supporter of the state of israel, the people of israel, you go to israel often, why is that? >> i've been to israel 42 times. i have known prime minister netanyahu since 1985. we are personal friends.

he's been in my home, he has spoken in my church, i consider him one of the great leaders in the history of israel. the reason that christians support israel is because the bible supports israel. the bible presents israel as the sovereign state the god created. israel is the only state in the history of the world created by a sovereign act of god. god in genesis 12 made a covenant with abraham, i will bless you, i will make your name great, i will bless your children with the jewish people, your children will bless the nations of the earth and then, in the 17th chapter, he made a covenant, a blood covenant, god did, with

abraham and god called him to put five animals on the ground in a blood covenant and he walked between the separated pieces reciting the covenant which was to give the land of israel to the jewish people forever. it was an unbreakable covenant. there are three kinds of covenant in the scripture. a shoe, assault and a blood covenant. we don't want to go down that road. just a with the fact that god almighty who created the heavens and the earth, as owner of the earth, he had the right to do with the earth what he wanted to do. israel is the only nation on the face of the earth with these boundaries recorded, its borders recorded in the word of god, and the little bitty strip of land they have at the end of the mediterranean is a oe

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mark: pastor john, you have 22000 parishioners? >> yes. >> that's a big church. >> it is. mark: you've been to israel 42 times? >> yes. >> tell me about your first time. >> the first time was in 1976. i went with my wife diana and a small group from our church. as a pastor i thought it would be good to know what place where jesus was born and raised looked like. when i was in israel, i walked the streets of the sea of jerusalem and felt like i was

in a place called home. there was a feeling there that was unique to all of the places that i had ever been on the earth, but the major experience happened when i went to the western wall and that's a very special place. i looked over my shoulder and there was an elderly jewish man rocking back and forth. he had his torah in front of him, tears were on his cheek and i was deeply moved by the devotion i saw in his face with what he was doing. i turned back to the stones of the western wall and i just felt this thought in my mind and in my soul, the thought

was that man is your spiritual brother. you don't know anything about him and i had three university degrees at that time, and he is afraid of you. i would like for you to use all of your talents, christians and jews to bring them together in an atmosphere of mutual love and respect and demonstrate to them what they had not have for 2000 years and that's the unconditional love of god. that thought was so strong i just stopped praying, i left the wall, i met with diana because she was praying. mark: your wife. >> my wife, men and women don't pray together, women have to pray by themselves. i told her the thought and she said however do you think you

are going to bring christians and jews together who have been bickering with each other for 2000 years. i said i don't know, but i think i'm supposed to try. we went to a place called the house of david. it was a bookstore and i bought about $400 worth of books dealing with the history of israel. in seminary you don't go through the middle age and so forth and i didn't know a lot about the history of israel. i went home and went into a three years study binge. i read martin luther and nearly went into a state of depression. i didn't know the other man had said such things about the jewish people and he did so because he thought the jewish people would follow him and when they did not follow him he turned on them with the rage that was just beyond

anti- somatic. it was so vitriolic hitler reprinted his book when the third right was born. so, having studied this, i was looking for the door of how to reach out to the jewish people and it happened when they gave the israeli air force the order to go blow up the nuclear reactor and it took away nuclear weapons from a madman and america's blamed israel first media and started saying this was gone book diplomacy. i was watching this on tv and i said to my wife, look, we owe israel an expression of a depreciation. they don't need to be criticized. we need to have a night to honor israel.

my wife said you should go ask the jewish people if they want to do this. i discovered such a thing as the federation. i talked to a man behind the counter and i said i'd like to have a night to honor israel. i said i want to bring everyone in the city together and express christianity's appreciation to their people and to the freedom of the world. >> when we come back i want before nexium 24hr mark could only imagine... a peaceful night sleep without frequent heartburn waking him up. now that dream is a reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? billions of problems. sore gums? bleeding gums? painful flossing? there's a therabreath for you. therabreath healthy gums oral rinse fights gingivitis and plaque and prevents gum disease for 24 hours. so you can... breathe easy,

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have a good night. into a motive. now back to life, liberty and levin. have a good night. >> so you meet with the high members of the jewish community in san antonio. you want the jews and the christians to get together. what happens. >> i told the man i'd like to have a night to honor jerusalem and i told them what that consisted of and he looked at me like i had a communicable disease. suddenly they were just shocked. he said will have to have a committee meeting.

what if this man is a friend and he actually intends to do what he said. so they agreed, we had a press conference the next day, the rabbi and i. when our picture came out in the paper the next morning, death threats started coming to the church, tell the preacher we will shoot him before he has ever has that night to honor israel. we had the night to honor israel and the building was packed. as i have said, there is enough tension in the room to give up brass doorknob a headache. we had a marvelous night. our choir was there and they saying hebrew songs, the hebrew was crude, it probably had him turning over in his grave it was so bad but the jewish people appreciated the effort. i gave a message about why christians should support israel and as the rabbi was

giving the benediction security came up and said we have a bomb threat on this building. i said are you serious? is this credible? i said yes it came from both the police and the newspaper. the rabbi left, i walked up behind the podium and isolate is in gemini hate to end this wonderful night on the negative night but we have a bomb threat on this building and it's supposed to blow up in about three minutes. the christians went out of there like track stars on the run. they were gone. and the jewish people just looked at me and put their hands at me as if i would've said kosher hotdogs in the lobby for those who would like to stay. mark: so they stayed. >> baystate and just started talking to each other. when i was walking off stage with my wife, it dawned on me, i said look, if these guys

think they can stop us with these threats, were going to have a night to honor israel every year until everybody in america can go to one. so we went home and started planning to have a night to honor israel on television and then it began to spread all over the nation and they got bigger and better and then came the year 2006 when they started having people dancing in the streets in iran saying death to israel and i told him we need to put together a grassroots national organization that can be supportive of israel and the jewish people because real trouble looks like it's coming to the middle east. i invited 400 of america's leading evangelicals to come to cornerstone church and after explained to them what

it was i was trying to do and why it was the scriptural thing to do. all four of them lifted their hands and said were in. we went to washington four months later and there was 3600 people and we were just supposed to take each one ourselves and christians united for israel was born. we have now expanded to just over 7 million people, we are organized by regions, by state, by voting district, we can put 30,000 e-mails in the office of a senator or congressman who gets crosswise with the purpose of israel in 24 hours. mark: let me ask you a question. why is this important in your view, the united states of america, that israel be sustained, that christians support that country, apart

from the religious and biblical notion, why is this important for the united states of america. >> it's important to the united states of america because israel is the bastion of democracy in the middle east. they have surrounded by dictators that would like to destroy them. they are the people who are fighting terrorism in the trenches. iran is the head of the snake in the middle east. hezbollah and hamas are two massive terrorist organization camped on the border of israel, ready to attack israel at the nudge, the moment they get the green light, they are gone. hezbollah has 50000 soldiers battlefield tested. they have a hundred 50000 rockets that have been improved with guidance centers so they are not just shooting

holes but a specific target that will hit it. israel is in a very, very very dangerous neighborhood and, as a democracy that we have supported and is freedom that we do believe in and support, every american should be proud to support our only friend in the middle east. >> pastor, i listen to you, you are a moral man and you are a very decent man, i've just met you and i very much like you, and yet you and somebody like you will be portrayed in the modern media as something that you're not and i've seen it, not specifically necessary to eat

but entities like the new york times. then i think about the new york times, during the holocaust they did all they could to cover up, during the holocaust they were anopheles for the roosevelt and they didn't even learn till 1944 but the owners of that newspaper knew full well what was going on because they were trying to get their family out of germany. we have reached a point in our country where somebody like you, a very righteous man, a man who has spent his time and effort trying to get fax out, knowledge out, talking to millions of people, organizing millions of people for a very just cause. you were supposed to.

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mark: what i was saying at the end of the last segment was, the righteous individual, you live your life that way, preachers family, faith, reaches out to an entirely different religion to bring people together, trying to strengthen the united states, your home country, you've come under attack from time to time from the very forces that you condemn, of course. but you in many ways are the opposite.

like, i was talking about the new york times during the holocaust come about as a fact that is not reported much time as you might imagine, and yet your spiritual man, you're very kind man, i set up just met you, your decent man and the things i've read about you, gentlemen like you, pastors of large evangelical churches, is a complete mismatch. >> yes. mark: what do you make of that. >> the bible has a verse that i've never had difficulty fulfilling and that is beware when all men speak well of you. the bible says blessed are you when men rely on you and persecute you and say all men are evil against you. my name's sake, great is your reward in heaven, the fact is my assignment on earth is to speak the truth and i will answer to god for what i have said and what i refuse to say, to see evil and not call it evil is evil. not to speak is to speak. not to act is to act, and god

will judge me based on what i do and don't do based on what the word of god says i am to do. but i will assure you, when i started reaching out to the jewish people, forget about the new york times, there were christian pastors that were calling me a heretic and that's the worst of the worst. when i explained to them, when i was able to get face-to-face and explain what i was doing, i said look at the debt of gratitude we owe the jewish people. this is what st. paul was talking about in romans 15. the jewish people have given us the bible. they have given us the patriarchs. they have given us the old testament prophets. they have given us the first family of christianity. mary, joseph and jesus. i said just take jesus out of the equation and we've got nothing. i said paul said that we have a duty to honor the jewish

people for their contributions to us. and i said, and so that's exactly what i am doing. and henceforth, to understand that judaism does not need christianity to explain its existence. christianity cannot explain its existence without judaism. that's why st. paul said, in romans 11 in a chapter for christians but it is drafted in branches for the olive tree, do not boast against the root because the root supports you and the root of the christian olive tree is abraham, isaac and jacob. our roots are jewish to the core and we should remember that god has not cast away the jewish people. they are still the apple of his eye. they are still the covenant people. there are still the cherished

people. they are still the people who own the land of israel and in the final analysis, they are always going to receive the love of god because israel, according to the book of exodus is god's firstborn son. mark: when did you decide you wanted to be a pastor. >> when i was 18 years of age i had an appointment to go to west point military academy and my mother who was really the guiding light in my life, my mother went to seminary. she graduated and taught and she said we were sitting at the table and she said you know, if you would become a great military leader and lead america in a great victory it would not be worth the value

of winning a soul that is in christianity. one life that would be eternally changed without waiving the value of any heroic military you had ever accomplished, and that had a lasting impact on my thought. i went to seminary and the thought of being a pastor was not in my mind. when i finished seminary and got a bachelors degree and my masters degree from north texas state, i was invited by a couple and i did and i agreed to help them for a while to get it started and 56 years later, i'm still there.

>> i guess you're glad you did that. >> yes i am, indeed. mark: don't forget, virtually every weeknight you can watch me on levintv. we would love to have you sign up. give us a call at 844 levintv or go to blaze tb.com/mark. >> unfreedom of the press, n

>> do you like donald trump. >> i do. i like him personally. i've met him, i had supper with him and met him a couple times at the white house. mark: how's he doing. >> he's doing a great job in my opinion. >> and why do you think that. >> i think that our organization, christians united for israel was looking for someone in that group of candidates that would be pro-israel.

we were a little bit amazed that it was donald trump, but when he came out for israel and sent the message to our people at that time which were 5 million in number, i said this is the man were going to support because he is pro-israel so he has announced that jerusalem is the eternal capital of israel, he has moved the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. he has given the. [inaudible] recognizing that it has been israel but he is sending the signal to the enemies of israel as a right to defend this land without anyone's approval. israel has the right to exist and the right to defend itself and he has also been a friend

to prime minister netanyahu. everything he has promised to do, he did it and that's a very unusual thing for a politician in our generation so yes, we think the president is doing a fabulous job with the congress that is fighting him every step of the way. mark: what about his appointment of judges. >> i am deeply appreciative of the conservative judges that are on the court, and i think the chance of having justice in america is determined by the justice in the supreme court and fulfilling all of the vacancies. there were some 200 some judges that needed to be fulfilled and they were going very slow until recently and

now the pace has picked up. if we can get judges that are right-thinking, conservative, constitutional judges this country will benefit for 40 or 50 years from the administration of donald trump. >> his position on life versus abortion has surprised me. it's been very consistent, it's been followed. >> we been very appreciative of that because, in the bible killing a baby in the womb with the mother is murder. we don't consider it a woman's right to murder a child, and

we as evangelicals oppose abortion and feel like anyone who does that will have to, if they do not repent of that sin will praise god in the judgment for having to account for that because that's a very, very serious evil. >> when we return, here's my question, how important is this next presidential election? election? we'll be right back. laundry truths. do i need to pre-treat? nope! what even is this? it looks like cheese but it smells like barf. with tide pods, you don't need to worry. the pre-treaters are built in. nice! if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide.

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able to implement as much of this program as he would like to have implemented. if he is not elected, reelected and this next time, all of the good things that he has done, many of the good things he has done can be reversed in the socialist voice that is rising up in washington will take control, and we will lose contact with the america that we know. it is going, the democrats are going left and hard left away from anything the democratic party has held up for in times past. their way beyond the mainsprinmainstream of america. if this next election is not a reelection of president trump, our country is going to go into a socialist tailspin.

mark: they want the government take over all private healthcare and eliminate medicare even though they call it medicare for all. they want to eliminate ice, law-enforcement and our border. in any notion when it comes to immigration. they're constantly undermining the military and cutting the budget every time they get a chance or anytime their power. they want to point to the branch, particularly the supreme court activists who do not embrace our founding principle as a factual matter. in go down the list and i think to myself, this isn't a typical election as you point out. this is an election of capitalism versus socialism. it is the constitution versus the anti- constitution, fateful judges versus activist judges, a secure national

border or no national border, the most powerful military on the face of the earth or an eviscerated military. isn't that dire? am i right about this? >> spot on, exactly right. all of those things, nationalism versus socialism. that is the issue. you hear these people talking about all these free things they are proposing, who is going to pay for that? no one is saying that, saying we want to give you free this and free that is a declaration, but how are you going to pay for it? and there is where the people who work and pay taxes are going to be greatly burdened to support people who don't work and don't pay taxes and downhill we will go. >> pastor, it's been a pleasure to meet you and a

pleasure to talk to. >> thank you. it's been my pleasure. got best. >> see you next time on life, liberty and levin. tonight we are going to be doing that on one of the biggest issues around. we haven't