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>> bill: before we wrap, john bolton is making some news. said he is prepared to testify before the senate if he is subpoenaed to testify. we will see what happens. >> sandra: we will see tomorrow. outnumbered starts right now. >> we begin with a fox news alert, president trump and iran trading threats after president trump took out one of to ron's top generals. this is solemani's newly named a successor. his daughter is promising a dark day is coming for the u.s., while speaking to hundreds of thousands of people lining the streets in tehran for her father's funeral. u.s. is saying it is withdrawing completely for the nuclear deal. this is after the president waited over than weekend.
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this is the tweet. "we have targeted 52 iranian sites. some at a very high level, important to iran and the irani and culture. those targets and iran itself will be hit very fast and very hard. the u.s. wants no more threats." you are watching outnumbered, i'm harris faulkner. here today is melissa francis, kennedy fox, jeanne zaino, and in and the center seat, and not grow, cully simpson. he served as the executive detainee affairs under president bush, cully as we call him now. also a veteran who continues to serve as a reserve in the navy. he's currently a senior legal phyla at the heritage foundation on national security law. if we had 15 more minutes i
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could read more resume. good to se see you. >> cully: thank you, good to be here. >> harris: let us start with the news, if you will, of the back and forth between the u.s. and iran. what strikes you as the top headline today. >> cully: will come of the president took a bold and decisive action. it was long coming frankly. we have been back-and-forth for over 40 years with iran. this was not an assassination, this was a lawful killing of a combatant on the battlefield who was responsible for more than 603 american deaths according to dod statistics from his own militias. thousands of american deaths were injuries by his proxies. at this guys a bad dude. >> harris: can i follow it up with one thing before we open up to the couch? you will hear political opposition or as to the present of the united states is saying things like well, we were sort of tacitly in a proxy war against iran. the 603 americans killed around
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the battlefield and that sort of thing. when you say militia, there is decidedly a difference in how they operate. talk to me about those american deaths and why people need to look at them as such and not just two sides fighting each other. >> cully: this guy funded, directed, planned, and schemed to send his people forward into iraq, mainly, but to other places. to kill americans and our allies. his hands are bloodied, he is dead, that is a good thing, he was a bad guy, his people were delivered ackley responsible for killing american soldiers. then, his proxies, the people he funded, trained, directed strategically guided, also resulted in deaths or injuries of thousands of americans. this guy, according to david petry is, is more important killed than usama bin laden. i put a lot of stake in what david says. >> harris: he is not always on the side of the president, he has been critical.
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>> general was on a short time ago. he said this puts iran in a position where they have to take a pause in the sense of where they don't have someone, even though the other replacement has been training for a long time underneath them, it still deals a dramatic blow to them, and at this point, it would be a very fortuitous time to quietly but forcefully stepped forward and say would you like to come to the table now. >> what do you think of that thinking? >> cully: i think general keane is usually right. he is right on this one. there is a wise thinking and a need for strategic pause, but the bold and decisive action by this president, to take out a guy who could have been taken out any number of years by previous presidents. >> why did not the do that? >> cully: i don't know, you would have to ask them. but they could have done it, and they could've done it lawfully. it gives the diplomats and other people behind the scenes to work things out and say look, were not going to keep going up. we need to take a pause and let the political process and the diplomats try to sort things
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out. >> harris: i just wanted to hear briefly from the secretary of state, get some reactions from that. secretary of state pompeo said this on fox news sunday. "we make clear to them, that we would not respond to just against these proxy forces in iran and yemen and syria and iraq and lebanon. we made clear that this cost would be brought home to them, to the leadership regime in iran. >> harris: so, kennedy, if there've been previous questions about the president and this administration were on the same page, that has not actually been the drumbeat this time around. >> kennedy: we do not know if they are on the same page. we stopped to wait for a lot more information, and after 9/11 and the reaction and the fact that we are still in iraq and afghanistan. the freedom of information requests that were finally satisfied, showing that the dod and the government lied to the american people about what was going on in afghanistan and a propagandize that for a long
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time. i am still skeptical. but if there is intelligence that was actionable that said -- and by the way, he was in iraq. he was nontargeted in iran. this was someone who is in iraq where one of our embassies was attacked. if there is justification for it, that is fine. if this is an isolated incident, then show us that. go ahead and show us that. don't use some sort of language to gloss things over and get people cheerleading because that leads to long trillion dollar wars and we can't have that. we cannot have any more of that. that was one of the things that i liked most about this president. he saw what happened in the middle east and he said under my watch, never again. i want to make sure that the language he uses in the coming days and the coming weeks reflects that so we can move on peacefully and in prosperity. >> harris: just a quick follow-up if you will be patient with me jeannie, on kennedy. you've spent a lot of time on what this looks like.
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specifically, years ago, benghazi, libya. early on, from the president's twitter, benghazi was brought up. so i am just wondering, do we put this in a different type of category? now, i understand stevens was an ambassador, and for other great american skilled, service members. i am just wondering, though, when you look at this on blush can you understand why someone look and say well, we are not going to have the same reaction we did and benghazi, maybe we should look at it like that. see for the only thing that show that was how the reaction actually played out. right now, democrats are saying the president is leading us into world war iii. some republican supporters are saying this is the best thing ever, this is exactly what we need to do. we do not know the truth of either of those things yet, so we have to wait and see, but i do hope that we move forward and to your point, if so, your point, if we can somehow bring iran to the table, and stabilize
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things, pullout, stop spending money over there. i'm fine with that. >> harris: jeannie i will hit you with this, the president is threatening to punish iraq financially. the president says come on his way back to washington, aboard air force one, "if they do ask us to leave, if they don't do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they have never seen before, ever. it will make iranian sanctions look somewhat tame, we have a very extraordinarily expensive air base there. it costs billions of dollars to build, long before my time, we are not leaving unless they pay us back for it." meanwhile, u.s.-led coalition fighting iraq and syria is fighting its operation in the region as it shifts to protect military bases from a potential iranian counterstrike. so, you look at the history of our relationship with both of these nations, what do you see, iraq and iran? this before in terms of the
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sanction specifically, i would say that i do wonder, was this killing not legally justified, and kennedy's point about getting us into another endless war is really important. but i think the other question to be asked here is, was this in the united states strategic interests. are we safer, stronger, and better off with solemani dead or alive? you are talking about those iraqi sanctions. this is something to consider, and the last few months, iraq has frustrated iran was protesting in their country. whatever we seen in the last 24, 48 hours? you see iraq turning all of their focus against the united states. similar, and iran, where i would say the president's sanctions were working. now, all of a sudden, you have iranians turning their venom to the u.s. >> harris: i don't know if that is what we are seeing in either of these countries. i think we have been given a very limited view of what is going on. i think you are talking about
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the very limited pictures that were being shown, but doesn't it make more sense to go in very strategically and hit very hard, to kennedy's point, rather than death by a thousand cuts from iran, even if you liken it to the previous strategy with isis that went on for so long. >> harris: you have such extensive experience in that part of the world. has something changed, is there something new in the calculus of dealing with these nations? >> cully: while the secretary of defense thinks it's a big change, this is a line in the sand. one thing that this president has done really clearly, you as i pointed this out. when he says something, he means it. i hope he does not mean, when he said he's going to destroy cultural sites, because we are actually a party to that 1954 at convention on cultural objects. >> harris: the u.k. has just called out the president on this and call the potentially war crime. >> cully: that would be a violation of that statute. setting that aside, the secretary of defense has said that this is a game changer, go
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back to nikki haley's a speech when she was secretary of state a few years ago. she pointed out that there are u.s. a sanctions out there that prohibited solemani from leaving the country of iran, yet he traveled around willy-nilly. we did not have an imminent threat of a national attack to justify killing this guy. we just didn't. >> harris: can you speak to the issue of immanence with country that have played such a long game? when you look at usama bin laden long game, when you look at iran, that's what they do. the retaliation might come swiftly, or it might not. >> cully: right, right. i remember us saying that they detainees that we held in custody, you guys have watches, we have calendars. that shows you their thinking, you know, they have a 500,000 near view, that if a few thousand, hundred thousand of their people die in an effort to achieve the ultimate goal, that is fine. but i think this is a game changer. my hope is that, by taking this
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bold and decisive action, and then coming in behind quickly, the president, i think was prudent to come out and say look, i'm not here to start a war, i'm here to prevent a war, but i am serious. the people i would ask, how the american troops lives are worth it to you? are you willing to get 500 more, 600 mark, a thousand more people killed through these proxies? there is no perfect answer, you don't know whether taking this out is going to inflame things for a short period of time and then go back to normal, or whether it is going to escalate into something more. it is like the stock market, don't like it one day of stock, look at two years, three years is spread. >> is the president doing that, though? >> cully: i hope. i hope. i'm just the legal view, but i have some national security experience. but you look at the people who he surrounds himself, people at the caa, secretary esper, these are prudent people. there are a lot of people who
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have weighed in here. probably not as many people on the democratic side would've liked to have weighed in. he alone under the constitution is the commander-in-chief, and he alone owns this decision. he alone is going to own the responsibility of what happens next. i hope secretary pompeo and the professional diplomats, and behind and say iran, we are serious now. >> harris: i know we are being pushed to get to the commercial, but just one more quick question for you, politically, jeannie, it has to do with why this is being looked at through the prism of how different it was with usama bin laden and obama taking him out via his general. before i think it is part because usama bin laden, baghdadi, these were terror is not connected with the nation. in this case, this was a military general, one of the leading figures in a government that we are not at war with or declared were worth at this time i agree with you, the present has the right to do this, legally if there is immanence evidence to follow. but i think the question in my
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mind is the strategy here. again, are we better off with him alive or dead. >> harris: i wish they would have a conversation. before getting a lot of the bad actors out there, does killing one person make a stronger? i hope to gosh it does, but i think were still waiting for the answer for that. >> harris: i think that's the conversation whether or not the calculus about whether or not congress is offending because they weren't included. one of the president's top advisors now says he will cooperate with the senates impeachment trial if he receives a subpoena. this is senator lindsey graham threatening to move forward with an impeachment trial if speaker pelosi does not transmit articles of impeachment. how this all could play out and whether his senate colleagues are on board. >> my goal is to start this trial in the next coming days. not let nancy pelosi take over the senate. my number one goal is not to let her become the majority of the leader of the senate.
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>> harris: former national security advisor john bolton announcing he will testify in president trump's upcoming senate impeachment trial if he receives a subpoena. lawmakers are returning to capitol hill with both sides of the aisle still divided on the rules for president trump's senate impeachment trial. senate judiciary committee chairman lindsey graham says "of houses beaker nancy pelosi does not hand over those articles of impeachment to the upper chamber soon, he will find a way to start the senate trial without them." >> what i will do if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the constitution, i would work with senator mcconnell to change the rules in the senate so we
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could start the trial without her if necessary. if we don't get the articles this week, then we need to take metals into our own hands and change the rules, so we can start the trial invite the house so they can participate. >> okay, kelly, i want to start with you. previously, john bolton said he was undecided as to whether he would testify or not. that was when it was back in the house. they chose not to subpoena him as they said they would wait for the courts to decide. now he is saying he was looking for a final judicial resolution. i have concluded that if the senate issue subpoena for my testimony, i am prepared to testify because a final judicial roger lutheran appears unlikely before the senate trial. the courts are waiting to decide to compel him. now he says if i get a subpoena i will go. what kind of relevant information do you think he has?
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>> cully: no idea, but i can tell you one thing. john bolton is a really smart. clarence thomas, when he gave a speech at my organization years ago said that john bolton was the smartest guy in law school and had the highest gpa at yale law school ever. i don't know whether that's true to this day, but he is a savvy character. i think he also feels that it is probably his patriotic duty that if the senate sounds i'm a subpoena he's just going to comply with it. we don't know what's going to come out of john bolton's mouth, we don't know how many times he was at the president side. we do know from published reports that over time, he started losing the presidents here, especially near the end. so, whether he was there for the key ukraine stuff, we don't know. >> harris: kennedy, that is in fact what he said is that "i have tried to meet my obligations both as a citizen and as a formal national security advisor." that eight is his duty to go testify, what do you think? >> he knows how smart he is, john bolton has the john bolton
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worldview, he also has a book coming out, no matter what happens, i do think he is going to tell the truth, he's going to lay out the cards as he sees it. he wants to set his own record straight in prints and verbally in front of the senate during this trial. so, i think the news of iran and a potential invasion in his brain has got him so excited that he needs to reinsert himself and add his two cents at this critical stage. >> so, jeannie, this is a very interesting crossroads where lindsey graham says that maybe we will take them up if nancy pelosi doesn't take them over and deliver them. she is been sitting on these articles of impeachment, a lot of people are hypotheses saying the reason why she is doing that is because she's trying to negotiate with the senate in order to have a trial and bring these witnesses forth. but she was not willing to wait on those witnesses in the house, and subpoenaing them as john bolton side, he never did receive a subpoena.
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she wasn't willing to wait on the courts they are, but now, she is waiting, and trying to force the senate to do what she herself did not have the patience to do. how does that look politically? >> i think politically it looks very bad for the democrats. i really have always had a problem with the calendar on this. which was a calendar driven by the politics, clearly. i always thought that the democrats should have waited to hear from the courts, or, for burton to change his mind and to agree to a subpoena regardless of what the courts essay to get all the information that they had and then, if they are going to put some thing together -- >> harris: so is it helpful that bolts and others are willing to speed up the situation for the democrats western mark they are not doing it for them but -- this before i think it is such a shame that these articles have now gone out. are they going to go back depending on what bolton has to say and rewrite as articles of impeachment? i suppose they could. you are the legal expert, here,
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but you know, to me, this screams a political mess for the democrats in the house, and i think they have shot themselves in the foot on this. >> harris: cully can ask you, do you mind if i just asked beta quick question. what legally can someone like a john bolton do on the stand? it's not really the stand, but in the hearing, can he plead the fifth, can heem have any kind of executive privilege, can he does not answer questions, what hers options? >> cully: remember, this is not a criminal trial. this is a political process, that is what impeachment is all about. the criminal procedures and rules do not apply. but everyone still enjoys a for the amendment right. not to say something against their own interest. so he could come on a question by question basis, not on a blanket basis, and i suspect, i would have to think more about it, he could probably assert executive -- if the president exerts executive point road lodz on that question by question basis he might then be able to testify about these things but not testify about these things.
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i think john bolton usually plays trance when most people are blank checkers, i think he has thought through the situation to sunday. >> harris: congressional democrats said to take action to try to limit president trump's war powers, but can they get supporters to g.o.p. rallies behind the president? ou need. i love you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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minority leader chuck schumer says congress will hold president trump accountable. >> i will do everything i can to assert our authority. we do not need this president either bumbling or impulsively getting us into a major war. we need congress to be a check on this president. >> harris: however, congressional republicans are rallying behind the president and support of the air strike in baghdad. >> this is not about war powers, this is not about congress control, this is about flapping at the president who'd they don't like. the question is, how long are we going to let iran continue to kill america and kill others in the war without being stood up to. the president is doing that, but right now we are playing politics and the democratic house. >> harris: see, this is where i start to kind of question what the real game is here for democrats or anybody who would say they want to hold the president accountable. have you seen his twitter feed? he is not running away from this. see five is not running away from this, and last time i
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checked, under the constitution, the house has the sole power to declare war, article one section 11. we are not even close to that. no administration, republican or democrat, has ever considered a strike like this prelude to war. it could be, but unlimited proportional strike like this to take out an enemy combatant, and i hear you, he was a general. but he was a terrorist. he was not a general like general milley or some of the who followed the rules of war. he did not come on purpose, follow the rules of war. this is not a prelude to work, it just isn't. >> harris: this is interesting, because when i hear a word like, you are pointing to jeanne, when you hear a word like accountable, it makes you think that the president isn't aware of what he is doing. and so i begin to ask the question, why would we think that? don't we know that the president
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has generals around him, kennedy, and that this may be his decision as a as a commander in chief, it even john bolton is an agreement that this was the thing to do. i know he is a whole nother deal. >> kennedy: some of the generals aren't there anymore. some of the people that the american public relied on most, like john kelly, like jim madison. they are not in the president's orbit anymore. nor is john bolton. when i think of this situation it's it's actually okay. but it may not be a prelude to work, but what is it a prelude to? so if war does not follow this action, then what follows. i think that is the most important thing for those of us were naturally skeptical, as done like we say well, what fills the vacuum when we create one? there are vacuums that are created in the middle east, that is been very, very bad things happen. i agree with you that solemani was a horrible person and much more active than al baghdadi or
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usama bin laden or any of the major targets that have been taken out by the u.s. military, and he has committed war crimes against civilians in places like yemen and syria. having said that, there can still be some follow-up, and as you said, they deal on calendar time, not clock time. >> cully: here's the accountability piece. the power of the purse. if they were really serious about exercising their constitutional prerogative, they can deny funds to our war fighters. that is their power. >> harris: may be a question is what does not follow. for the sake of argument, this is someone that was out and about, planning all kinds of attacks, who had left iran when he wasn't supposed to, who had gone to russia, who had done all of these things, who felt bold enough to land his plane, and get out, and walk around, in places that he was not supposed to be, where he was so easy to strike, if there is a pause, as general jack keane said, shook this regime in a way that nothing has in 41 years, he
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things that the ayatollah himself is personally found shock and surprise. maybe there's a pause, that's what follows. >> kennedy: i hope so, i really do. i hope that there is a rational pause and iran goes you know what, it's much better to make a bunch of money and have people who live here who are happy as opposed to taking all of our resources because of sanctions, and shoving them in the military, rendering the rest of the country... >> harris: former joe lieberman claims that president trump had no leadership to order the strike s constitutionally untenable and senseless. the powers granted to the president by the constitution. it defies common sense to argue that the president must notify congress or begin a formal process of authorization before acting on an imminent threat. cully and want to get your
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response, you are nodding. it >> cully: he is right, as a constitutional matter, every democratic and republican administration who has weighed this through their legal counsel would agree to that. that is the way it is. the president and the president alone has the authority to do this. now, but congress has the right to declare war under article one section 8, but, this is not one of those instances where a declaration of war is necessary. see when did we have to do this but the killing of usama bin laden? >> cully: well, my understanding of what is out there in the classified world is that they kept it very tightly, they wrote that pakistan was unwilling or unable to assist under legal principle, unwilling or unable, and they took him out. >> harris: is a different situation obviously, i haven't heard a lot of arguments against why you would not kill him if he could find them. for >> cully: well, my libertarian friends, that, to libertarians, like you, and
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others, are bothered by that. speaker the question here is still, we don't have the evidence of an imminent threat, we may get it on wednesday. >> cully: we don't need one, as a legal matter we don't need when. >> that's why disagree. >> harris: big reaction over the weekend from the 2020 democrats under the situation in iran. how the candidates are differentiating themselves with a new focus on foreign policy. what does help for heart failure look like?
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we need to provide a steady, stable, experience leadership. with all due respect, i think i'm best prepared of anybody running for president. >> prepared, poke, poke. senator bernie sanders calling his opposition to the war in iraq. offering perhaps the harshest reaction. >> that war in iraq was the worst from foreign policy blunder in the modern history of this country. if you look at my record, it is a record for my entire life, i have not voted for trump's military budget. >> very consistent, got to give him that. pete buttigieg using the opportunity to highlight his military experience as he is one of the few candidates to a one the uniform. watch. >> as an intelligence officer on the ground, it was my job to ask questions before decisions were made. in order to make a good decision you have to be ready to first
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well read the intelligence that comes your way, and secondly, ask those challenging questions. >> and elizabeth warren taking a different approach, suggesting this could all be a distraction. >> i get the question people reasonably ask, if next week donald trump faces the start potentially of an impeachment trial, why now? >> well, who knows. so, bernie sanders actually has been very consistent on this issue. he and ron paul have a lot in common, both of them, older gentleman who resonate with younger americans, who has the upperhand of the candidates we just watch? >> i think definitely bernie sanders in terms of consistency, tear point. there is a point at which the president himself was very much on that side as a critic of the war. i do think bernie sanders went for that. i think biden could use this to his advantage, but i don't think
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he had gotten there? >> how so? >> i think he could've used it, had he come out, recording with the president had done, i think he could've made inroads in these six states, the part done mike election will be decided in six states. but i think elizabeth warren, she has had conflicting statement's on this, i think it's a big problem for her. >> okay, so, cully, let's talk about this a little bit. one of my favorite quotes is from bob gates. he said "joe biden has been on the wrong side of every policy decision for the last 40 years." i think there's something to that, you could also make the case that president obama did not do us any favors in the middle east. he certainly did not help matters in iraq, and in afghanistan we pulled, oh wait, we are still there. >> cully: while the precipitous withdrawal from iraq without staying behind course, the jcpoa which gave bucket loads of cash to solemani among others, used it in surreptitious, quiet, stealthy,
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nasty ways. ask, is that better than taking out the guy who caused all the death end instruction and has blood on his hands against america, and then we swoop in, diplomatically, and hopefully, nerves. as to elizabeth warren's wag the dog theory, no one is buying that. no one is buying that. >> but to some americans, this likes what you said before, this idea that we don't want to get drawn in to a long, drawn out war. this is a very quick, hard, strategic hit. you take out a general, you move back. it is the opposite of getting drawn into a long war, i am just saying that as an argument that some are making that is, rather than this being the opposite of what the president said, it could go along with that. he does not want to get dry and in, he wants to come in, make a deal, make an impact, get out. >> that is what kills it, that you're absolutely right about that. >> i want to use my time to yield to cully. in addition to advocating what is legal for the united states
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at the u.n. when he read the pentagon, so when you talk about decisions versus mission, where are we in this as far as you see? are we where melissa says we are, get in, get out, or someplace else? >> cully: only the president knows. but i think, if you look at the arc of what he is talking about on the campaign trail, and what he is trying to do is -- and i think this is the reason, why he quickly put out the statement that i'm not trying to start a new war, i'm trying to get out and prevent wars. he is sending a message to his base that i'm just trying to stick with my campaign promises. i do not want a big footprint in the middle east, anymore, i think we've wasted a lot of time they are. so i think, if you look at the long arc of the way he is moving, to an extent you can put aside the tweets and all the stuff that distract one, that you are seeing him try to withdraw with sponso responsibl.
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>> this so-called squad weighing in on the ongoing tension between washington and tehran after the u.s. air strike that killed iran's top commando. youngest woman alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeting "this is a war crime. threatening to kill innocent children, women, and families which you are doing by threatening to destroy cultural sites. it does not make you strategic, it makes you a monster." ilhan omar tweeting "the president of the united states is threatening to commit war crimes and twitter, god help us all." kennedy, there's a lot of hysteria in there. >> kennedy: a lot of hysteria, i don't appreciate the president's rhetoric, but i wouldn't say that's tantamount to war crimes. we have to be able to rationally differentiate bluster from action. i hope he does not target those sites. >> melissa: i would venture to
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guess, his point was i'm not going to say what i'm targeting and what i'm not, do you think the response, when you go back with the hysteria of "this is a war crime" does that sort of undermine the argument? you are really taking the bait, so to speak. before you are taking the bait, i think the important thing to say here is that it would be illegal to attack those sites as we mention. i don't think the president will do it, everybody agrees with that. i don't think there's much more than needs to be said about it. i think he was responding to taliban tehran's consistent messaging. i hope either takes it back or walks away from it or making a larger point that we follow the rules and making a lot of the civilization follows the rules great and i says, do not. >> cully: we follow the rule of law that it matters. the 52 hostages that were held for days, his stroke connection
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for the viewers. >> harris: aren't there enough sites to hit outside of cultural sites? >> cully: i would be shocked, frankly, if a general counsel and others at such of the boss, that's good boss, go ahead, knock down those 4000-year-old things over there. they're not going to approve that. >> harris: i just think of syria and the visceral response. that we had here in the united states and across the world. it would seem a tad hypocritic hypocritical. >> cully: that's angry to happen. >> harris: taking the bait. it's interesting, the president does that, he puts the bait up there. well, he had no prisoners, ricky gervais' a scathing critique of the hollywood elite at the golden globes. >> if isis started a streaming service, you would call your agent, wouldn't you? i have huge money saving news for veterans.
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>> well, you say you're welcome, but the companies you work for, unbelievable. apple, amazon, disney. if isis started a streaming service, you would call your agent, wouldn't you? so if you do when an award tonight, don't use it as a platform to make a political speech. you are in no position to lecture the public about anything, you know nothing about the real world. most of you spend less time in school then greta thunberg so if you win, except your little award, thank your agent and your god and leap off. >> ricky gervais not holding back, critiquing the hollywood elite for their hypocrisy. not all took the advice. some using the stage and the platform to attack the preside president. some used it to advocate for abortion rights. i know you didn't watch the show in its entirety, bless your bones for that, by and large it
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was a potable night. >> i don't know about that, ricky gervais, what i love about this is, in my humble opinion, actors and comedians are at totally opposite ends of the brain spectrum. actors are sort of regurgitating words others have written for them, where comedians, that is the most brainpower that you need, the biggest brands, the stain of comedians, your writing fast, of course, he's going to observe the hypocrisy that the rest of the room has missed and just serve it up to them. they are also the ones that are the most sensitive to the idea that in this culture where we are stopping everyone's a speech and shaming everyone, that free speech is, that is the bread-and-butter of comedians, you start censoring one thing, all of a sudden, no one can say anything, and you are right on your way to fascism. >> that's right, what he was taking aim at. what i also appreciated, was he took aim at some of the corporations as well.
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tim cook is sitting right there, it is a regular basis way of saying i'm never hosting this again and i have plenty of mone. >> this is part and parcel the same thing. i didn't watch this, you cannot pay me enough to watch this, but i liked his point. >> i did watch it because i want to watch the dresses, and with the ricky gervais hosting again, i knew, finally, we were going to have some appetizing lines. >> i did watch it too, i have to say. you do know, when he comes out and says this is my last time, it was no holds barred. he had his drink and he just wins, my job was on the ground. i could not believe what he was saying. the room was silent. >> they were not laughing. what's great is often times people play to the room. they stand up there like this is our time, we have to have our humor he was like nope. >> he even talked about kevin
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hart and his old swedes, he was like i don't care. >> all right, thank thank you so much. we will be back here at initiative r. "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: thank you, kennedy. we will begin at this fox news alert. the united states and tehran are trading threats and military action, the fallout from the u.s. air strike that killed one of iran's top generals. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner, it's heating up this hour. iran now has abandoned its commitment to the 2050 nuclear deal, as when a reading lawmaker claims the country's military could attack the white house if it wanted to. while president trump doubled down on his threat to target iran's cultural sites, saying ""they are allowed to kill our people, they are allowed to torture and maim our people, they are allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people, and we are not allowed to touch their cultural sites? it doesn't work that way." while in baghdad,
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