think of the song "ymca." now they do not remember the previous name of the bad deal, commonly known as nafta. if you add the words and the two words middle east at the end. that is a big problem. and natome, doesn't that work beautifully, john. nato plus me, he is not smiling. he used to smile. before iran he was smiling, now he is not smiling. you know what i'm talking about. >> reporter: more nato personnel in the region? >> president trump: as opposed to us, this is an international problem. and we can come home, or largely come home and use nato. it is an international problem. we caught isis. we did europe a big favor. we got 100% of the caliphate. we have thousands and thousands of isis fighters killed, and thousands and thousands, tens of thousands are in prison right now. and europe does not want them. it's not right, they want to go

to france, they want to go to germany. they want to go to these countries where they came from. that is their home. the u.s. is not their home. they want to go. it's not fair that we are holding these people and that other countries are not taking them, because we are bearing the cost. so i think that nato should be expanded, and we should include the middle east. absolutely. we pay for a big percentage of nato. if you look at and speak to secretary general stoltenberg, who is doing a terrific job, by the way. he will tell you that i raised $130 billion more than we were getting. it was going down from past administrations every single year it was down to a very low number. i came in, and i said we have to pay, folks. we are working with you. we are protecting you. we don't want to be the fools like we have been for so many years. so we raised 130 billion immediately. we had a meeting with all of the

countries. i said, you have to pay. i can imagine they don't like me as much as obama and other people, but you have to pay. we have 130 billion more, not 130, 130 more. my biggest fan of the whole world is general stoltenberg, because he cannot believe it. and he announced $530 billion we have gotten under my watch. so we are in great shape with that whole situation. and i think nato should be helping us now with the middle east. having an international flavor there is good. plus you had a deal signed with many of these countries that are in nato. so an economic deal with iran. so i have actually said that i think the scope of nato should be increased. and they should be looking for isis. we will help. but right now the burden is on us, and that has not been fair. we have done a great job with isis. when it came in three years ago isis was all over the place and

was a disaster. and now isis is the caliphate, 100% of the caliphate is gone. 100%. and we have tens of thousands of prisoners, we have them in prison. but they should be taken and europe should be helping with that burden. i like the idea of nato expanding their views. >> reporter: since the environment has caught issue, talking about today, the environment is something that is on the segway, but what is your position on global warming? do you think it is a hoax? >> president trump: nothing is a hoax about that. i want clean air, clean water. i want the cleanest air, the cleanest water. to the environment is very important to me. somebody wrote a book that i am an environmentalist, called the environmentalist, before i did this, they wrote a book. i would like to get it. i have it in the other office. i will bring it to my next news conference, perhaps. i'm sure you will report all about it. i'm a big believer in that word.

the environment. i'm a big believer. but i want clean air, i want clean water. and i also want jobs. i don't want to close up our industry because somebody said, you know, you have to go with the wind. or you have to go with something else that is not going to be able to have the capacity to do what we have to do. we have the best employment numbers we have ever had. we have the best unemployment numbers we have ever had. so that it's very important. one more. >> reporter: how long have you been focusing on your reelection? >> president trump: i have not thought about it. i spent a lot on the first one. i did the primaries, and that was very successful. and i have not thought about it. i will say this, because of the impeachment hoax we are taking in numbers that nobody ever expected. you saw the kind of numbers we are reporting. we are blowing everybody away. nobody has ever taken in the money that we are taking in from the public. it is good, because it is an investment they are making. they are making the investment.

it's better than the big donors. we are taking in numbers that nobody has ever seen before, frankly. and it is a great thing. >> reporter: what about the voters in 2015 who said he would not take in donor money? >> president trump: you know the number that i put in for the first election? do you know that number must market is a big number. and to this day i say, i wonder if it mattered. because i never noticed myself getting any credit for that. i spent a lot of my own money. you know, tens of millions of dollars times a lot. but i spent a lot of my own money. and i always ask the question. i say, i wonder if it was necessary, because i don't think anybody knew that i was spending it. i mention it once in a while. but as i give up my salary, 450,000, almost $450,000 presidential salary. i give it up. usually i give it to drugs. i give sometimes to a lane for

transportation, but on a quarterly basis i give up 100% of my salary that i make as president. i don't think anybody has written that story. you guys don't want to write that kind of a story. that's okay with me. i'm going to ohio. to some of you are coming with me. we look forward to it. i want to congratulate all of you, because i think that this will make a tremendous difference for your unions and in investments and everything. we will bring numbers down from 20 years to less than 2, and less than ten years. i think you hit much less than two, even for major projects, and i want to thank everybody for being here. thank you. thank you very much. [applause] >> this is president trump defending the air strike that killed soleimani, he had the opportunity to take out a total monster. they were looking to blow up the embassy in baghdad. he went on to talk more about

also the hoax impeachment as he said and he hit on more things about the air strike. right there he was supposed to be talking about, you heard him say it at the end, modernizing the national environmental policy act, which is basically the permitting process before you do infrastructure projects establishing a time limit two years for environmental impact statements. one year for the completion of environmental assessment which would speed up things like building roads, all kinds of other stuff. that was the point. but reporters asked him all about the war of powers act. this was as nancy pelosi is planning to vote today on a measure to limit the president's powers. it comes after the president declared yesterday that iran was standing down after missile strikes on iraqi bases that house u.s. troops. resulting in no american casualties. here is house speaker nancy pelosi just a short time ago.

>> interview, the president and the administration conducted a provocative disproportionate air strike against iran that endangered americans, and did so without consulting congress. we must avoid war. and the cavalier attitude of this administration, it is stunning. >> melissa: so there you go, difference of opinion. the democratic authored house resolution would essentially handcuff the president on any future strikes on iran and would have prevented the strike that killed general qassim soleimani. mastermind of many attacks on u.s. troops and others in iraq and beyond. with a few exceptions, the measure basis strong republican opposition. >> today's war powers resolution cannot become law. by definition it will never be sent to the president. and it will never limit his constitutional authority to defend the american people. it is a concurrent resolution.

this is the type of resolution that we invite the soap box derby to the capital. this is a meaningless vote that only sends the wrong message that the house democrats would rather stand with the socialist based and stand against iran. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," i am melissa francis. here is harris faulkner, host of kennedy, kennedy herself. iona college gaels science professor jeanne zaino, and in the center seat, former house oversight chair and fox news contributor jason chaffetz. thanks to all of you for joining us. jason, i want to get right to it, because i was struck by so many things that nancy pelosi said as we lead into, you know, she tries to limit the president's power. she said i don't believe that the action made the country safer. cavalier attitude of the administration is stunning. general jack keane was on our

network afterwards saying the iranians backed down, that they are credited for the first time in more than 40 years, that their credibility in the middle east is greatly diminished as a result. those are diametrically opposed to points of view. what are your thoughts? >> jason: deterrence only works if the other side thinks that you will actually pull the trigger from time to time. let's remember that this person that we took out was designated as a terrorist. president already had the authority given to him by congress to take out a terrorist. and you have the largest state sponsor of terror in iran. how many times will be take casualties? how many times do we take a hit to before america stands up for itself and takes out a target? i think it was a masterful piece of work done by the intelligence committee to know where he was and when he was there so that there would be minimal casualties on the side of this. it happened in the middle of the night and that he was in baghdad.

it is stunning what they did. >> harris: we will break in with some news, four hours after what we saw with the attack of the basis where there were u.s. troops that were housed inside iraq, a plane went down and crashed in tehran. they have been looking at the because of what might have happened. that crash of the ukrainian airline is breaking news. national security correspondent jennifer griffin live at the pentagon with what may have happened, jennifer. >> harris, we spoke to a senior pentagon official who has seen the latest intelligence. the latest u.s. intelligence on the downing of that plane. into u.s. intelligence agency now increasingly believes that that ukrainian plane that crashed as you mention, just a few hours after the missile strike on the basis in iraq, that it was brought down by a russian-made air defense system that was being deployed by the iranians.

they believe that this was a mistake, obviously. but they are looking very closely at the russian defense system, which is known as an essay 15. a mobile launch missile system designed to protect and defend against incoming missiles. obviously the iranians would have turned a system on if they were worried about retaliation from the u.s. in the wake of those missile strikes on the basis where the americans were in iraq. again, this is a single source at this point, but with the latest intelligence the just thing they increasingly believe that that plane was brought down by a russian-made missile that was being employed by iran. harris. >> harris: 176 people died on that. and aviation experts, some have been saying that it looked like it was on fire before it hit the ground. you know, you are citing the reports that say that the plane may have been trying to turn around. what were they looking at specifically that we know about

that would have pointed to this looking likely to have been shot down? >> i did not report that they had likely turned around or that there was any sort of -- that was something coming out of i believe from iran. those are iranian officials that had been saying. what i am saying from the pentagon, u.s. officials believe that an iranian antimissile defense system, a russian system known as an fa 15. we cannot confirm the exact make of the system, but those are the antimissile systems that to the iranians would employ and to do have in their arsenal. u.s. intelligence suggests that they believe increasingly believe that an iranian missile may have shot down mistakenly that passenger jet. the ukrainian passenger jets with the 176 people on board, harris. >> melissa: jennifer, this is melissa. let me ask you quickly.

from your experience, what are the security implications? i know it was iranians onboard at least in part, and a ukrainian flight, so what does this mean? >> it was a relatively new boeing jet. a ukrainian flight, but there were iranians on board as well as canadians on board. this is a civilian target. if, in fact, this bears out in terms of the evidence on the ground, there are photographs of circulating that suggests that parts of that missile defense system are seen in these photographs, that those are true in addition to what the pentagon will be doing in the circumstance to tell you how this works. the national geospatial agency which has our satellites, they are able to look for any sort of heat signature from a missile being fired. those satellites would be honing

in on if they knew where the iranians had deployed those missile defense systems. they would've been looking in the last 26-34 hours to see if any missiles had been fired. these russian-made systems are relatively small, they are tracked on the back of their mobile, on the back of vehicles. they are not fixed sites. so it is a little, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. but once the satellite photos can be enlarged and they can look at it. there are ways through infrared imaging that they can see whether in fact a missile had been fired from the ground at the time that the plane went down. so again, the u.s. intelligence right now increasingly believes that it was in iranian antimissile defense missile that brought down the civilian plane. >> harris: i am looking at the associated press wires right now, and questions about the argument that was going on about the black boxes and how, there were no americans on that

flight, but as you pointed out, it was a new american owned company plane, meaning boeing. and they did not want to turn over the black boxes. what is the latest on that? >> first of all, you are in a situation where the u.s. is in a war with iran, so the iranian government would never turn those over to the government. even though it was a boeing plane, it was owned by the ukraine government. you are talking about a secretive regime. they are not going to publish or be transparent about necessarily what is on those black boxes. that is no surprise particularly given what was going on that night. i mean, they were in a conflict with another nation. and i think it is very plausible. you have to look, what we will increasingly start to see if you look at the photographs of the plane wreckage, there will be signs in that wreckage as to whether it was a missile

depending on the way in which the exterior of the plane bends, you will know if it was an explosion from the inside of the plane or coming from the outside. what we are seeing now is increasingly suspicions that it was a missile that came and struck from outside the plane based on some of the evidence that is appearing and being analyzed by u.s. intelligence agencies. >> kennedy: on the night of the missile attack, the faa had a flight over iran, iraq, and the persian gulf. now for obvious reasons. how far does that extend? does the faa discussed these decisions with other international oversight bodies? >> again, i think an faa alert is to warn all the neighboring nations and civilians airliners not to take off, given the unknown of what they thought would be flying through the error that night. that was an alert, but it is up

to those host nations to end of the airliners themselves to abide by that warning. it is a warning by the f aa, and it was a plane taking off from tehran, it's not clear if they receive that information in time. so again, a lot of questions. the ukrainian national defense secretary has put out a statement suggesting that they are increasingly believing that this plane was brought down by a missile. so more to come, but right now there has been a shift in thinking in the u.s. intelligence services. we just spoke to a senior pentagon official who says they increasingly believe that it was a russian made missile in iran's arsenal that brought down that plane. >> melissa: jennifer griffin, thank you so much for your terrific reporting as always. i will bring into the couch. i will start with you. what are the implications of that if, in fact, that conclusion is correct that it was a russian defense system

that was operated by the iranians on that night that brought down this fight? >> jason: it is sad for the families, these are real people that get killed and their lives taken out. i don't make as much that it is a russian-made type of defense system. i can see where a mistake would be made, and it is sad. i have no doubt that our intelligence capability and apparatus is able to detect and determine if there was a missile sent up to hit that plane. i have no doubt that we have the capability of being able to make that determination. >> melissa: what about the canadian, losing their citizens paid what is the response to iran? >> jason: i don't know, i'm sure that they are sharing the intelligence with the canadians. i'm glad that there are no americans, but i am sad that there was a loss of life. iran mean, obviously, in addition to the horrific loss of 170 innocent people is the fact

that anybody who thought the de-escalation which we all welcomed yesterday was something set in stone, it is not the potential whether it was a mistake, there was a bombing in the green zone last night, two strikes near the american embassy. you have cyber attacks being reported by the governor of texas, all of these things can escalate a very precarious situation. and that is something that we have to remember is a real, real risk for the united states. >> harris: what do you make of what mike pence is saying that there are pushes from iran towards militias to not do these sorts of things? how does that come into play? >> jeanne: if they are famous for using proxies, and whether they are pushing them or saying that publicly or you get the proxies who are frustrated on their own feeling that the retaliation against the u.s. was not enough. we may see an escalation of violence over there. as we think about that at the

very start, is that farley say for now? i think in the short term maybe, but that can change very quickly if you follow the middle east. >> kennedy: what the hell was that plain doing in the air? you can see news reports. it was very obvious that there was a missile strike happening at that exact time. and i don't know how the airline and the pilot, how that kind of a miscommunication could have occurred. if i am one of those surviving family members, i would be furious. that was one of the alerts that we got in the 9:00 hour 6:00 in the west during the show was that the faa had suspended flights, u.s. airlines over that region, and if they have that information, they will share it and other countries should abide by that. >> harris: that is an excellent point, reporting today that there was at least one husband who got a message, you may have seen that, it was heartbreaking. >> jeanne: heartbreaking.

>> harris: she was worried about the plane taking off moments before this happened. so it had been hours since the attack and reveal at the other base where some of the other u.s. troops were housed, but mostly iraqis were on the basis. there's no way to know the calculations that would be made by the foreign airlines. but the matter is that the passengers on board knew enough to worry. and one of them got a message out and called her husband from the plane. >> jeanne: i was thinking of that story, if a passenger was concerned enough to call her husband, it is heartbreaking. how did that plane ever take o off. >> harris: maybe we should not be flying. with regards to canada, that's why i brought up the black boxes. because they look to us, it is our team that would go in and work on this with other countries. you worked on the hill, you know, we have leadership in that

part of investigations all around the world. people depend on us. >> jason: boeing makes an exceptional aircraft. these are experts. they know how it works. it is a very different type of mechanism, a boeing plane versus an airbus. and that black box will tell us a lot. whether or not to the iranians want to share that with an american company or the americans -- but maybe there is somebody like somebody else. but if they took out their own plane, they will probably not share that with anybody. >> melissa: this is a readout, apparently there was a conversation last night between the minister in iran and the minister in canada saying that the two exchanged condolences for the victims of the crash of ukraine international airline flight 752. mr. champagne who is from canada stressed the need for canadian officials to quickly be granted access to iran to provide

services and help with identification of the deceased. they are looking for some sort of reassurance on that. i don't see that granted in here. they also condemn the uranian strike targeting iraqi forces. you can see the canadian saying we need to get in there and be granted access. >> harris: 63 people of their citizens. we knew that pretty quickly. president trump as we came in live on "outnumbered," we went seamlessly from the last hour to this one with the president speaking. president trump suggesting at that point, because he was asked about it that he believes iran was responsible and what not to lay blame on them, but dismissed the claims that it was a mechanical issue and denied any u.s. responsibility. "somebody could have made a mistake." "somebody could have made a on the other side." noting that the plane was flying in a "pretty rough neighborhood." some people say it was

mechanical, the president added, "i do not think that is a question." >> jason: the president has been briefed and shown photos if not video. the president was tempered, not wanting to go too far out there. but he made it clear that it sounded like what jennifer griffin was reporting was very much in sync with what the president was giving as clues. >> harris: i'm sure you caught jennifer correct me, i was reporting reports in the bloodstream, she said no, no, we know that some of that was coming from iran. that very on "the wall street journal" in the middle of the night, it was like 3:00 in the morning i happened to catch it. i guess i was up overnight. but "the wall street journal" asked the question, how do you know that this is mechanical? how do you know that this is an engine? how do you know anything? >> melissa: we will stay on the story as it develops. it is breaking. in addition to that, president trump sounding off on who he wants to see testify in

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that will probably be soon. we want to see what they are willing to do. and the manner in which they will do it. we will not let them say, oh, this is just like clinton, it is not. documentation. witnesses. facts. truth. that's what they are afraid of. >> harris: we should tell you there is growing pressure from some members of her own political party as more and more senate democrats are saying that they want to move forward. senators dianne feinstein, joe manchin, jon tester, richard blumenthal, chris coons, and independent angus king who caucuses with the democrats are reportedly saying they are ready to proceed with a trial. so nancy pelosi, i will hand them over when i see what they are going to do. mitch mcconnell told her what they were going to do. >> jason: there is a reason why the constitution says the sole power rests.

and sole is very, very clear. if they had a case, they would do it. i don't think mitch mcconnell will bring up the witnesses even though the president i think would like to see this long drawn out and getting some people testifying. but i have to tell you, it is to shame what they are doing, i think they made the stroke. they have a weak case. i don't think it serves the country well. it continues on. and nancy pelosi is about as pompous as i have ever seen her. >> harris: the longer this goes on, now there are different scenarios. i was reading that there was a thought that house republicans might go over and defend the president in the senate, senator mcconnell did not like that idea. what do you think about that? >> jeanne: i think that nancy pelosi was holding these for two reasons. she was able to peel off some of them in the senate that might be able to push mcconnell to change the rules.

>> harris: do they even exist anymore? >> jeanne: they don't even exist. she was thinking about markowski, mitt romney, then the who could go over. now she just wants to underscore the fact that we know the outcome coming he will be acquitted. and wants to say that the process has been unfair. she will hand the is over. she has to. and at least she underscores what the president said, which is that this has been a fund-raising bonanza for the republicans. that is a problem for the democrats and the only states that matter, which are the seven swing states that will decide the election. that is the reason that the democrats in the senate that you mentioned coming over and saying you have to send these now. we have to get these done. they are right about that. >> harris: when you talk about fund-raising, kennedy, not only shutting down in terms of the impeachment in the states, but what do you do if you are 2020 democratic candidate? >> kennedy: what if you are a 2020 democratic candidate who happens to be in the senate.

you get in south carolina, that means less time that you will have come a critical time to spend time in those four essential states and so nancy pelosi is holding them back, but it is interesting when you see these democrat senators come out and he realized that there is a big difference in the self perception of the chambers. and they're like, nancy, we got this one from here. thank you so much. they have been gracious. i'm sure she has a plan. having said that, let's go ahead and move forward with the trial. it was trivial before we were on the brink of war with iran. now that that is on the back burner. it looks absurd. her timing and withholding. >> harris: can the senate, those democrats pressure nancy pelosi, speaker of the house? >> melissa: today it looked like she was trying to give yourself room to give up, because it is over. what i think is so ironic is that the thing she is hanging her hat on is that she wants to

hear from the likes of john bolton. well, john bolton said that if he were subpoenaed in the senate how, he would just come. that he would not wait for the courts. he might have done that if she had bothered to subpoena him over in the house. but instead of doing any of that, instead of going to court, much less issuing a subpoena, they rushed through and moved on, because they were so afraid of what the president was going to do. now it is another day. suddenly they are not in a rush, and they desperately want these witnesses. you had a chance to work on that, gave up your chance to work on that, and it looks like your witness would show up if you sent a piece of paper over. >> harris: what with the president do next? well, we know. look at iran and what is happening right now. you were saying it on the couch yesterday. look at the leverage that has precipitated. that no one could've predicted. all right, we will move on.

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>> well, i think that we are actually involved, to borrow from jim pseudo-spoke, more on the iranians that that is going to give more retaliation from the iranians, it may not play out in the next week or month. >> melissa: president obama's former intelligence chief warning that it could escalate things with iran, but vice president mike pence telling fox news that they are sending a different message to the militia and proxy.

>> we are hearing some intelligence to suggest that iran is sending a message to the militias not just to move forward, we are ready for anything. >> melissa: the vice president's remarks coming hours after a second attack this week in iraq. rhenium backed militias believed to fire two rockets near the embassy late wednesday local time. no casualties have been reported. kennedy, i know that you are a big fan of dni clapper? >> kennedy: no, i think that he should be imprisoned because of perjuring himself in front of congress. he should be one of those people. and i am very skeptical of people like him and andrew mccabe andrew mccabe and james comey and john brennan who go and get contracts with networks and disseminate information. i know how the secret system works, and they can essentially

just make stuff up to fill the void. and i think it is dangerous. and in his case, it is utterly immoral. >> melissa: you were talking originally about the fact that he sat before congress and said that the nsa was not listening into americans and saving all of the recordings. and all of that massive data that turned out not to be the case. after that, he was still hired to go on and talk about the things that the president is quite possibly a russian asset. now he is out there spit bowling again pretending like he has special information saying that we are in more danger than we were before, essentially. how responsible is stuff like that? or is he right? >> jason: i think it is a terrible precedent to have people in the intelligence committee then go on and be immediately afterwards, no waiting period to go out there. and kennedy is right, they use the guise of saying i know all of that stuff. you all don't know anything. what i say is true. but it was terribly misleading.

it was a violation i do believe of the law and to lying to congress. congress should on that. they say that the senate should vote and make a criminal referral. they were wet fish in the fact that they did not do that. as it relates to iran, we are trying to change behavior. democrats took the idea of appeasement and send them $150 billion, that did not change their approach. they still want to pursue a nuclear weapon. and the peace first strength is a much better way to go. >> melissa: there was a great piece in "the wall street journal" that talked about the idea that the democrats have seceded this idea that there is peace in strength. it is all about diplomacy only. that there is no moral use of force in order to prevent violence in the future. that seems to be where the left is headed entirely, do you think that is a mistake to go to that

place? >> jeanne: i do. you don't have to look far back to american history's. look to world war ii, look at the, we know that there is time where you have to use strength to stop evil. that said, and i agree. on the point about people in government going out and making money based on that. but let's put that aside. i don't think we are in more harm from iran today, but i'm not sure that we are less harm. what have they done? now they have said just over the weekend that they are going to jen up there nuclear program. they could have nuclear weapons within a year. i'm not sure that we are safer, but we are talking about the bombing of the airline. we are talking about the bombing in the green zone last night. we are talking about proxies, whether they are directed by iran or uncontrolled by iran, and talking about serious cyber attacks to the public and private institutions.

ask shelly abelson, ask the people of atlanta, ask the governor of texas. we are vulnerable. that is true. >> melissa: you say that nuclear position like we were not there before? >> jeanne: i don't think we are more safe or less safe. i don't think much has changed. but i think the de-escalation is a welcome event, but i don't think that we are more safe than we were two weeks ago. >> melissa: they were pretending like they were backing off the nuclear program. and there democrats i pretend like under president obama they were. when you look at the reports that have come. the bbc and reuters reporting that the atomic energy agency went into that carpet factory in tehran and found samples of uranium in that factory where benjamin netanyahu had said that they were still developing weapons all that time and lying. now we had the evidence that he was right and they were not abiding by the treaty. >> jason: the fallacy of what the obama administration was saying was that there would be verification.

there was never strong verification. i was chairman of the oversight committee, they said, oh, no, you cannot do that. >> kennedy: in 2023, they can freestyle and do whatever they want with the jcpoa completely intact. >> jason: a quick point, energy independence for the united states of america is imperative. we should pursue nuclear and everything else we can, because we should not be worried about extracting oil in the middle east. let's bring our troops home. we don't need 60-80000 people as targets in the middle east. >> kennedy: amen. hear, hear. >> melissa: voting on limiting the president's war powers later today as the president tells republicans not to vote for the measure. how will this all play out next? ♪ ♪ $12.99 all you can eat

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>> probably the worst briefing i have ever seen at least on a military issue in the nine years i've served served in the united states senate. what i found so distressing about the briefing was that one of the messages we received from the breakers was do not debate. do not discuss the issue of the appropriateness of further military intervention against

iran. i if you do you will be emboldening iran. >> i think they have done an excellent job of showing the rationale of going after soleimani, and the response to the iranian attack yesterday. very well done. >> harris: wow. they were both at the same intelligence briefing yesterday for the takedown of iran's top general. >> kennedy: would never know it. >> harris: if you pull down on that shop was senator mike lee, you add rand paul to his right as well. and he was piping up about it. but a difference of opinion of what played out. >> jason: i think that you can bifurcate this, two different topics. the justification in the attack on soleimani, if you listen to what mike lee is talking about, what is the justification for future actions? where's the line? at what point does this stop? i think we should have a national discussion about this. but in this particular case, the president has the sole

authority. the clear and present danger. the president can do this. >> harris: kennedy, when you talk about the constitution, because that's what lee and rand paul, how it was an insult was what mike lee said to the constitution. an insult. disrespectful not to look at that as your guide rather than the executive. >> kennedy: they are absolutely right. when mike lee and rand paul and thomas massie, and justin amash are all on the same page about a constitutional issue, they tend to be right. and mike lee is a cool customer. he is a measured individual. but he was passionate about this because there were a couple of questions that were not answer answered. one that it was an imminent threat that was not laid out enough, and he thought the breakers were dismissive. you can consult us at some point, but what they are trying to do is get to the congressional authority back that was given to them by the framers of the constitution for very good reasons.

the authority to declare war should not be concentrated in a single individual. that's why a deliberative body like congress has that authority. >> harris: i don't know how much it will matter, because we only know a couple of these republican senators, rand paul and mike lee who said that they will vote with democrats to shore up the resolution. for war powers and raining and powers of the president. so maybe republicans will still have -- >> jason: what is lost in this discussion is that congress did grant authority to a president to go after a terrorist. in soleimani was designated as a terrorist. there is a difference. >> harris: members of the britain's royal family reportedly outraged over last night's a shocking by prince prince harry and duchess meghan markle. and what it could mean for the royal family, they are walking away. ♪

>> kennedy: a bombshell hit in britain's royal family, announcing "we intend to step

back at senior members of the royal family and work to become independent while supporting her majesty the queen." a source told fox news that the couple did not consult with some members of the royal family before making the decision. buckingham palace put out a statement saying discussions with harry and meghan markle about these "complicated issues" were still in early stages. they take quite a bit of money from good pappy. so prince charles has a duchess of cornwall trust, and they get 75% of the salary. >> melissa: they say that they are going to be financially independent, are you kidding me? 5 percent from the british government that they will not take. instead, it is this inheritance that comes from the land and to the animals and all of the people that live in a town, they were gifted that revenue from prince charles and they call that being independent. i would like to be independent like that. wouldn't that be amazing?

>> kennedy: if this was prince rolled, wouldn't you just be like, thank you for coming, you guys are great. here is $35,000 a year for each. the >> jason: i could not care less issue. i just giggle. i look at the uniforms and i have the greatest respect for the queen, but everybody else -- >> jeanne: they don't. >> melissa: they did not even tell the queen. that was the best part. they just made the announcement. >> jeanne: listen, i did not know that you could divorce your family, this is all new to me. >> melissa: they are not going to give up the royal title. >> kennedy: it is not real! good lord. >> jeanne: i'm not a big fan. i don't want my kids divorcing me. >> kennedy: i feel bad for william and kate. they have been ostracized. and now these two. >> melissa: they disrespected the only one that counts, the

queen. >> jeanne: but i don't think meghan markle can be blamed completely. >> kennedy: thank you for bringing jason chaffetz utah style to the couch. we are back at noon eastern, "outnumbered overtime" with harris faulkner starts right n now. >> harris: fox news alert on a stunning development in that plane crash in iran. pentagon officials say that they believe iran shot down that ukrainian passenger jet by mistake. using a surface-to-air missile. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i am harris faulkner. the story advancing the ukrainian airliner went down moments after take off on wednesday, 176 people died on board including dozens of canadian citizens. this was the same night that iran fired missiles at iraqi bases that house u.s. troops. earlier today, president trump said he has his own suspicions. dan springer live in seattle with the latest. >> what we are hearing from the pentagon today is going along ha