the floor next week for a vote. she continues, i will consult you on tuesday for how we proceed further. maybe it's monday, maybe it's tuesday, maybe it's beyond that by next week appears to be there time. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. confronting iran, the trump administration making it official, new sanctions on that rogue nation are happening after iranians fired more than a dozen missiles on our american forces in iraq. mike pompeo says the new measure will target eight senior iranian officials involved in destabilizing activities in the middle east as well as tuesday's missile strike, which came in retaliation for the u.s. killing iran's top general in a drone strike. secretary pompeo also responding to our request from the iraqi prime minister to send a delegation to baghdad to iron

out details for the u.s. to withdraw troops from that country. watch. >> we continue the conversation with the iraqis about what the right structure is. we've been there to perform training mission to help the iraqi security forces be successful and continue the campaign against isis. when we get to place where we can deliver what is the right structure and fewer resources dedicated to that mission, we will do so. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, gillian turner, dagen mcdowell, executive director of the serve america pack marie harf and in the center seat, former cia station chief dan hoffman. he served in moscow, iraq, and pakistan and is of fox news contributor. welcome. up first, let's go to chief white house correspondent john roberts on the north lawn.

>> good afternoon. in response to that tuesday missile attack against u.s. occupied bases, the secretary of state mike pompeo and secretary of treasury steven mnuchin announcing tough new sanctions aimed at many steel and aluminum producers as well as targeting eight members of the iranian regime. the goal is to deny aroun iran e resources to carry out maligned activities around the middle east. yesterday morning and the roosevelt room the president suggested that soleimani wanted to "blow up our embassy." that was described initially as our referral back to the protests in the attack against the embassy back on new year's eve but since then a number of administration officials have come out to say, yes indeed, there was a threat against our embassy.

that question put to secretary pompeo this morning and here's what he said. >> we have specific information on an imminent threat and that included attacks on u.s. embassies. period. we know exactly which day it would have been executed. qassem soleimani was plotting of a broad, full-scale attack against american interests against american facilities including american embassies, american facilities throughout the region. >> pompeo went on to say this was going to happen and if we didn't take action to prevent it "we would have been culpably negligent." there was another issue that i asked the secretary about and that was whether or not iran was actually trying to inflict u.s. casualties during that missile strike. number of administration officials were suggesting that iran intentionally missed

hitting sensitive targets that could have inflicted u.s. casualties. then the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff came out and said no, we believe they were trying to kill americans. here is what pompeo said in response to my question, listen. >> they had the full intention of killing u.s. forces, whether it was our military folks or diplomatic folks in the region and i'm confident that the response the president took has been appropriate. the president said, we don't want war, we want iran to behave like a normal nation. our strategic effort to get around to behave in a way that doesn't continue their 40 year long effort to terrorize the world. >> again, in the early going after the attack it was believed that because iran looked like it was strategically trying not to inflict casualties, that would've given both sides and off ramps to de-escalation but it leaves the question out there that if iran was trying to kill

americans, but just didn't accomplish its goal, was the way that the president approached this enough? i think there is a big sigh of relief on a lot of people's parts that the president did not escalate this but if somebody tries to shoot you and kill you but they missed because you ducked, they were still trying to kill you and would you not respond to that? >> harris: that's a really interesting point. i've had generals tell me this week that they got lucky, meaning iran and their ability of those who were firing them relatively low and that they got lucky but you bring up the point, just because you missed because you are incompetent or whatever the point is, do you get a pass? we'll talk about it here. good to see you, john roberts, thank you. let's start there because that's different. what's your take on it? >> dan: i think it's a high priority for our intelligence community to understand iran's plans and intentions.

it looked to me, with a medium level of confidence that iran was not mounting sort of offensive with those ballistic missile attacks, that would have risked serious u.s. casualties. they do have pretty good capability, they targeted saudi oil facilities back in september and hit their targets. in this case they reportedly warned those iraqi bases that they were going to launch the strikes, it's important to note that what they didn't do, they didn't use their proxy militias to launch 45 rockets like they used to when i was serving in iraq for a year during the surge, this was a fairly limited engagement and then they lied about it in their own press and said they killed 80 americans which of course wasn't true. >> gillian: i think it's important to keep in mind when we talk about this crisis, that what kicked all of this into high gear was not the attack that killed qassem soleimani. what kicked off this series of crises that have now been

deescalated was an attack on the u.s. embassy in baghdad and i think that's important to keep in mind because that in and of itself according to a lot of defense experts constitutes an act of war. everything from that point forward is retaliatory. i think it's important to really keep reminding people that that was what set off this chain of events, not the death of soleimani. that was not the first strike. >> harris: i was just telling john roberts, saying generals have made this point of how maybe there was a calculation not to try to hit u.s. forces to send a message with a weapon particularly that they used helped in that because because they just were not the ones the general would normally use, you mentioned with the militias have been more accurate in target. >> marie: i take it back a few steps. before the attack, that was the latest in the cycle of escalatory steps are two countries have had.

the nuclear deal, things they've done like damaging and attacking the saudi oil field, our drone being shot down which was part of this escalatory cycle. i also think we should not lose sight of the fact that this may not be iran's only retaliation. they are also i think waiting to see what else we do, they have many capabilities not just in the middle east but in other parts of the world they know they can use in an asymmetrical fashion if things get ratcheted up and i wouldn't lose sight of the fact that inside iran, one of the things they are looking for is whether there is a debate with the supreme leader or his senior team about what comes next. they are not always on the same page about these things. >> dagen: i want to talk sanctions because our reaction is important to note, if our response to the missile being fired on u.s. bases is financial, it's sanctions under goes back to something this president has preached, he said

it in a cabinet meeting in the fall, we have tremendous economic power and are using our economic power in much more powerful ways than playing with guns and the president has talked about, he is concerned about sacrificing our great men and women and putting their lives on the lion and using our economic power. our response to those missile attacks, was well, more sanctions and i will point this out. iran's economy is on track to contract for the third year in a row. in 2018 it was -- it contracted 4.8%. last year contracting 9.5%. it will happen again this year. this is something akin to the great depression and it brought around to the table in the obama administration, the nuclear deal you worked on. this sanction and this economic pressure brought them to the table and it could happen again. >> harris: maybe we can get a better deal this time.

47% inflation on the ground. >> marie: they are a tool, not an end themselves. >> harris: i need to get to this breaking news, house speaker nancy pelosi has just announced she plans to transmit the articles of impeachment against president trump to the senate next week. the speaker says details will be worked out during a house democratic caucus meeting on tuesday. let's talk about this. gillian, we knew day by day, from what she said earlier today and yesterday, soon, soon, soon. now we have more of a timetable a timetable. >> gillian: which is good for everybody. it is worth pointing out, harris, that as of yesterday, sources on the hill saying they are worried she's botching the landing here. all along, nancy pelosi has been praised by her democratic colleagues and media for her masterful handling of the

impeachment process, some going so far as to claim that no other leader could have brought impeachment along as quickly as she did. it's worth discussing whether or not this cold out at the end has been worth it for her politically because she is now starting to get criticized by her own party. >> harris: we had pictures yesterday of the growing number of all the democrats were telling her, go ahead and do this. it looks like maybe it helped a little bit and putting some pressure on senator mitch mcconnell but you've got to go ahead and get this done. visually, we don't know what she feels. >> dan: it's possible she doe does. i can tell you from the optic of someone who lived this overseas, it overtakes the conversation you're having with your counterparts. whether they are in intelligence services or fellow diplomats. >> harris: how so?

>> dan: it's the number one issue everybody is focused on, it's a little bit of a zero-sum game, to the detriment of instead of working on that economic agreement, let's talk about impeachment and its impact on your domestic politics. >> harris: that is fascinating. your counterparts half a world away are watching our politics that much. >> dan: that's what they are interested in for sure and you can bet our enemies are tracking this very closely, both overtly and through their clandestine sources. >> harris: i do want to tell you because we have a team on the hill, speaker pelosi was walking into her office this morning and she said i will be communicating with my members and perhaps we will see that in terms of this plan that's just broken to move these articles of impeachment next week. >> dagen: it so far it's been the other way around, adam smith, chairman of the house armed services committee said that she should send the articles of impeachment to the senate and had to backtrack and

said "i misspoke." you have a growing list of some democrats saying you were in a big hurry to stop president trump from corrupting this election even though it's preemptive impeachment is not constitutional. you're saying your argument is in holding water because you are sitting on this plus it is very detrimental to the senate democrats running for the presidential nomination. warren, sanders, booker, amy klobuchar, the longer this takes, sitting six days a week n the senate and not campaigning between potentially the iowa caucuses and new hampshire and super tuesday. >> harris: al all right, real quickly. senator chuck grassley, republican of iowa, obviously, says that speaker pelosi through the united states congress into unnecessary chaos. from the beginning it's been unclear what the goal of this hurry up and wait tactic was or what the country stood to gain. we now know the answer was

nothing. we've had three we needless weeks of uncertainty and confusion causing even more division." republican senator chuck grassley. maria? >> marie: i'm sure chuck grassley really wanted to work over new year's. these weeks are going to be lost no matter what but i think a couplcouple of things are true t nancy pelosi's strategy. according to anecdotal evidence, having this conversation about witnesses has helped spur conversation about whether a senate trial can be fair without them. the fact that john bolton came out and said i would respond to a subpoena in the poll numbers have been routinely been pretty high numbers, people think there should be witnesses. she's helped convinced the public, at least part of it, that a senate trial without witnesses may not be fair. we will play this out over the coming weeks because i agree. elizabeth warren, who knows how long she will be in the presidential race but she wants to be on the campaign trail and

not sitting there. >> harris: they all do. >> gillian: even cory booker has now come under fire. if she has scored a point for getting people to think about the necessity of witnesses, she's also got an x in her corner now itches, was it really legitimate for her to hold back? >> dagen: it's unconstitutional. >> marie: it's not constitutional. >> gillian: the constitution does not stipulate that the senate trial must be held according to the house speaker's direction. >> marie: she was trying to get agreement from the majority leader, that's not playing dirty, that's trying to actually get the -- >> harris: i had a democrat yesterday say that john bolton could actually be called by nancy pelosi, she could have done that before. >> marie: i think the bolton news is something that was an accomplishment, a serious marker in this impeachment process.

i think she has highlighted for the american people, mitch mcconnell is clearly afraid of calling witnesses, donald trump's, too. >> dagen: she could have subpoenaed john bolton and she didn't do it. >> harris: we are going to move on. breaking news in the mix. around denying it was behind the downing of that ukrainian jetlin that. this despite u.s. and canadian officials saying otherwise. what happens next? we will debate. a musical

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the bottom of it. >> dagen: secretary of state mike pompeo on the downing of a ukrainian jetliner. saying iran is responsible for shooting down that aircraft. after the regime's retaliatory missile strike, housing american and coalition forces. u.s. and canadian officials have set iran likely shot down the plane after mistaking it for a threat. however, around plaintiff claims the crash on technical issues and has invited boeing to investigate. "the new york times" has obtained new video it says appears to show the moment an iranian missile hit that plane. all 176 people on board that flight died. dan, the iranian investigators have said they would be willing to hand over the so-called black boxes. they could be assessed by russia, ukraine, france, or canada but where do you think

this goes from here? >> i think we've established pretty well that this was an iranian missile, the same sort of missile the russians launched against a malaysian airlines flight back in 2014. that ukrainian crew is extremely experienced and this is the first such incident in the history of ukrainian international airlines. we reportedly have intercepted communications indicating the iranians were well aware that they had shot down this aircraft. going forward i think there will be more dissemination of the intelligence that we have a hand of the families of the deceased are going to be demanding compensation as they should. >> dagen: i want to follow up with one thing, of course canada, prime minister trudeau extremely upset about the loss of canadian lives in this crash. traditionally the federal aviation administration, general electric with which made

the plane's engines, they would be involved in this investigation. do we need to have those american parties helping? >> sure. i think it would be helpful. i don't expect iran would allow that to happen. >> harris: there were no americans on that flight and it was a ukrainian plane even though boeing built it. boeing is having its own troubles right now. there is a lot going on in the mix. i'm just wondering, why were there flights taking off from that airport? how important is it that people would be shooting at places where u.s. troops are housed from that country. >> we talked about how ron reportedly warned iraq he bases that those ballistic missiles were coming. they didn't shut down civilian aircraft. >> harris: why do you think that happened?

>> that's a good question for our intelligence community to answer. it could be a need to know that they were seeking to impose on their own people, a variety of reasons. regardless of whatever it was, you got 176 people that were killed. >> how did the ukrainian government not ground all flights coming in and out of tehran that night? even in the media, we had a heads up by about 6:00 p.m. our time, widely known that these attacks had taken place. it doesn't take an intelligence officer to figure out we should shutdown commercial airlines. maybe questions need to be asked about the ukrainian government. it would be in their power to ground those lights as well. >> harris: from a woman who would let her husband know that she was on board that flight, feeling anxious and worried about the fact that she knew

there were local attacks in the region. i don't know if she knew the total politics or military situations playing out in terms of what it would take to make that decision but she knew enough to post on instagram that she was worried. >> marie: these were difficult decisions. we talked a lot about when you shut down air space and when you don't, this is something international aviation authorities had to deal with. you know, the iranians have not cordoned off the crash site, a bunch of it is already been salvaged or taken away, they reminds me so much, i'm glad you brought up the malaysia flight the russians shot down, it reminded me so much of the situation, it's really sad. >> dagen: some democrats trying to lay the blame on president trump for around shooting this plane out of the sky which is just, again, congresswoman jackie speier said that, she said this was

collateral damage from president trump's' strike. when are we going to learn to hold our tongues and lay blame from where it lies. >> gillian: it is a stark reminder that military confrontation, read arounds attack on u.s. bases always has a cost to people. there is unintended consequenc consequences. >> dagen: new information when it comes to boeing's troubled and still grounded 737 max. harris alluded to these problems. the potentially damaging employee texts now uncovered. ♪ my grandfather had an amazing life,

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from congress, you should come in and tell us what you want to do. you should come in and tell us so we can call off the fake news that's back there and leak it. that's a lot of corruption back there, folks. >> harris: the president's remarks about an hour after the democratically controlled house approved a resolution, that measure concluding with a near party line vote. your reaction when the president says democrats would've leaked it, had he told them what he was going to do? >> dagen: it's a rally, you have a history with president trump, the false russian collusion narrative and the report of colluding with russia, fbi agents that abused

their power and lied to the fisa court, certainly he feels was raked against him and you have nancy pelosi and adam schiff trying to basically remove a duly elected president. i don't want to step on the intelligence community because at the same time he's criticizing people within -- criticizing people with intelligence if we want to take on a hostile actor like around. >> dan: qassem soleimani have been orchestrating attacks on against our people for over a decade. so in addition to successfully targeting him, it was also a stark message that if their leaders continue to do that, there are not crosshairs. by the president was trying to restore our deterrence, escalation dominance. he said what he said at the rally but at the heart of it

this strike served our national security interests. >> harris: what you said, breaching the outer perimeter of our embassy, maria, why are democrats saying it didn't seem like it could be an imminent threat? we know what we are capable of. >> marie: they've bento classified briefings and didn't see the type of imminent threat the president is talking about. he hates iranians, he hated qassem soleimani, he killed some of his friends. he went to the intelligence briefing and has been on tv saying i don't see the threat the way the administration has explained it. when they haven't declassified it, we can't judge that pay for the president to stand on stage and say democrats would've leaked this, it may be a rally but the president's words have consequences, it is offensive to accuse democrats who sit on the intelligence community of possibly taking something so sensitive and leaking that.

the president has disdain for congressional oversight and it's disgusting. >> gillian: here's the problem with congress. congress is proposed solution is to offer this war powers resolution which as far as i can tell from talking to countless congressional hill staffers is really a duck and dive. if congress so badly wanted a stake in u.s. foreign policy in the middle east, if they so badly wanted to help guide the president and direct his actions, they would've given him a new authorization. they would've given him a new authorization for the use of military force. all congress wants in this situation is to maintain the ability to complain when they don't like action the president takes. that's the stark reality on the ground. >> dagen: the starting blocks for people on the left and many of the democrats are "i hate trump, everything he does is despicable and awful and now i need to figure out a way to prove that what he did was despicable and awful despite the fact that one of the biggest bad

guys on planet earth just got taken out." a man responsible, soleimani, for the death a loan of 608 u.s. military service members and the maiming of countless more. and i will add this. it's disgusting the way president trump talks, why do democrats talk the same way? pete buttigieg was talking about that ukrainian jet going down, civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unwanted military tit for tat. stop laying what i rounded on the shoulders of president trump. you know what? not cross fire, that was another tweet i saw. >> harris: boeing under fresh scrutiny after newly released internal messages reveal how that company's own employees felt about the 737 max jet when they were helping to build and develop it from the very beginning. the potential impact on the company's reputation and its

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>> gillian: boeing facing brand-new outrage today, serious concerns about the development of the 737 max jet in an exchange from april of 2017, one unnamed employee wrote "this airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys." another says "they still haven't been forgiven by god for covering up what i did last year" referring to communications the company had with the faa. in another exchange, the company said "would you put your family on a max simulator trained aircraft?" another responded "no." back in march, regulators across the globe grounded the plane

after two fatal crashes killed me nearly 250 people. i want to go to you first, it sounds like boeing has a people problem to me, the company said over and over again, this is a software problem, we are working on upgrading the software. do you think they have a people problem? >> harris: first of all, you and i were talking during the commercial, these messages go back to the origins of the max line and so you know, you have people who now, we can read their messages years later or a year later and we know how they felt at that time so i think the question isn't so much about the people as it is about specific people in leadership. and what you would do to tell an employee to cover up things and talk to government officials with less than the truth. what was going on, what was the culture inside this company?

and it hasn't been 20 years, it's been a shorter period of time, has not been rectified and what will it be like going forward for future problems with planes like simulators that maybe people are trying to be sketchy with the records about and have i not have as much training and practice. it comes down to an issue of trust. i don't question every person at the corporation, just those that have the power to change it. >> gillian: you are steeped in this stuff, what do you extrapolate from these messages? >> dagen: harry truman had a sign on his desk, the ceo is gone, ultimately it fell on his shoulders. one of the problems was, and these messages are related to largely flight simulator training and disdain for regulators around the globe and it was the deteriorating

relationship between boeing and the faa that was part of the reason the ceo was let go. because of boeing needs to get this aircraft back in the air and it needs to have a better relationship with the faa. boeing has agreed to additional simulator training for pilots to get this back in the air, reversing a prior position leaning on computer-based flight training. but america needs to get these planes back in the air. boeing is the largest manufacturing exporter in the united states. and the temporary stoppage of the production of the 737 max is actually rippling across this economy and it's hurting manufacturing jobs. we want to root for safety but we want to refer this company. >> harris: i know you say the ceo is gone but he wasn't at that level with those employees who were being told to cover up and lie as their messages now show. did they get rid of anothe enouh people to change whatever culture was inside that

corporation? was he really there pushing every button? are those people in charge and are they changing or gone? >> dagen: though ceo is ultimately the commander in chief. >> gillian: marie and dan, would you get on one of these planes today? yes or no? >> marie: a max? no. >> dan: no, but i want to say another thing. this sort of malfeasance, here in the united states, we find that this was happening with boeing and there's a lot of exposure in the media and that is a good thing for us in our society and it's just not that prevalent elsewhere in the world, unfortunately. >> gillian: that's a great perspective. we are going to leave it there but we have new details surrounding prince harry and meghan markle's position to step back from their royal duties including how they have reportedly defied queen elizabeth herself and how oprah winfrey may have been

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>> harris: breaking news. marianne williamson has suspended her campaign. her run for the white house. she fired her staff recently or

has started to lay them off, i should say and she has just put out the statement. "i ran for president to help forge another direction for our country, i wanted to discuss things i felt needed to be discussed. i stayed in the race to take advantage of every possible effort to share our message." marianne williamson has suspended her white house bid, she is out. let's move to this. turmoil continues at buckingham palace after prince harry and meghan markle have announced their decision to step back as senior members of the royal family. multiple reports stating queen elizabeth asked the parents to not release that statement on wednesday. meanwhile, oprah winfrey reportedly advised the couple on the declaration of independence.

b5 thanks for the opportunity. i went to school in london. what struck me about this honestly is that the prince's own parents did so much good from within, look at the princes trust helping disadvantaged youth, the campaign against landmines. there's a lot of great work to be done and i think probably many are disappointed because they are not taking the opportunity to do it. >> harris: we don't know what it would look like, pulling back. we don't know if they would capture some of that good that was done previously to live more autonomously. >> dagen: do they see themselves as the next kardashian family where they come to the united states and have this social media celebrity? i would say that americans are very fickle about these things and that we already have a king and a queen, beyonce and jay-z.

>> harris: that's funny that you say that because when i heard that opera was somehow infused about this, i thought about that, we have that level of -- when you hear oprah's name, it's a big deal. >> marie: i am not sure they will come to the u.s. there is a question about how the monarchy can make itself more modern. the only thing that there bothers me is that queen elizabeth wasn't on board with it because she can do no wrong in my book. the royal family needs to figure out how to modernize themselves and if they can figure out a new model for what that looks like, i think we should see what that can be. spea>> gillian: the problem of meghan markle turning her back on the monarch, it's a big blow

against their modernization effort. they took on meghan markle partly because they understood they needed to have a refresh of their image. i'm a huge fan of megan and harry, i covered their wedding and i thought their marriage was a great boon to the u.s.-uau.k. relationship. they've got to be in or out. it's unfair for them to have 1 foot out the door. >> harris: it's interesting because they say they are not going to take that 5% that comes from taxpayer money. 95% coming from prince charles obviously. spea>> gillian: they can take gifts from anybody, living in a house that belongs to an heir to the petroleum fortune. >> harris: the royal family makes like a hundred billion dollars but they don't take anything close to that in taxes. >> harris: stephanie grisham has been white house

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>> stephen king and don winslow writing up a new offer to stephanie grisham. the pair say they are willing to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to charity if she holds a well house press briefing. we will donate $175,000 to st. jude in your name and to help a lot of kids if you will take questions from the full white house press corps for a full hour. they up the offer to $200,000. christian responding to all of the saying donation shouldn't come with strings attacked, they should help children because it's a good thing to do. i would love someone to offer to

donate to charity when i was doing press briefings, that would've been a fun thing for them to do. i know as much as anyone that they are not always fun, but they serve a public good by giving get the american people a chance to have their public representatives questioned by people whose job it is to do that. should she do these press briefings? >> quick take on the authors, stephen king is one of the 20th and 21st century greatest writers. i think this is a mess for him. i say that not because i don't believe in the institutions of the white house press briefings. as a journalist of course i do, but i also think that to make a charity donation contingent on that is silly. they should both realize they are going to have to donate that money anyway otherwise they are going to have to end up risking looking like turks. >> really? i don't think they are going to donate. >> they are talking about sick

children with cancer. so give the money anyway. it wouldn't look as bad. stephen king looks jerky because of his tweeting about the president. they wouldn't look so jerk don't make jerky if they pick a different charity. if they said we will buy their home town tickets to see the mats or something like that. >> as a citizen i too would like to hear the press briefings. i also think there is value in messaging our allies and are allies alight. >> dan, thank you so much. happy friday. >> i do agree with him, i am in agreement that we need to have press briefings. the president sees himself as his best spokesman. >> are we going to happen anytime soon? >> no. >> mike pompeo mentioned today, so there you go. but that's not from the

white house. dan, thank you for being in the show. we are back out monday on noon eastern. "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: here's where we will begin, with a fox news alert. we learned about an hour ago, nancy pelosi is moving to send those articles of impeachment against the president to the senate for a trial next week. she wrote a letter to her colleagues asking judiciary chairman nadler to call a void on a on appointing impeachment managers and sending over the articles. that would of course set up the president's impeachment trial. senator mitch mcconnell just responded to the news moments ago saying "about time." we have a lot of report coming up from capitol hill. we moved to this fox news alert, president trump is railing against his critics after the house voted to limit its ability to take military action against iran. "outnumbered overtime" this hour, i'm harris faulkner. the