>> bill: shout out to the fans of clemson, 14-1. great team, great year for both squads. congratulations. >> sandra: both tigers, right. brand-new record in the u.s. stock market. r8 conceived tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, the houses expected to hold a vote tomorrow to send those articles of impeachment to the senate for trial there. senators, the nation, all of us perched, waiting to see when this move might come. we have been reporting the nearly month-long delay has been due to a standoff over senate trial procedure and witnesses. finally, today, movement. speaker nancy pelosi, huddled with her caucus behind closed doors, heroes caucus chair hakeem jeffries of new york. >> the senate should conduct a fair trial, a fair trial involves witnesses and documen

documents. what is the president hiding from the american people? if it was, in fact, a perfect call, we should hear from mick mulvaney, we should hear from john bolton. about the july 25th phone call. in the geopolitical shakedown. >> harris: this is "outnumbered," i'm here is faulkner, melissa francis, dagen mcdowell, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and in the center seat, ready to go, fox & friends hose, brian kilmeade, he wrote another best seller, "the texas victory that changed american history" in stores right now, go get your copy. before that, were going to go to capitol hill. chad? >> well, the big questions here on capitol hill today here are the wind, the who, and the how. when does the house speaker send the articles of impeachment to the senate, who will be the

impeachment managers, and how will the senate conduct the trial? just in the past 15 minutes or so nancy pelosi has said that they will have that vote to send the articles of impeachment to the senate tomorrow. i also spoke with the house majority leader steny hoyer who said he did not know the timing on when they would do this, he did indicate that it would be tomorrow afternoon. he also said we might find out who the impeachment managers are before the house votes, he said that the latest that they would actually have the procession where they send the articles of impeachment across the capital from the house to the senate could come as late as thursday. he would not rule out tomorrow. here's something else, from steny hoyer, he indicated that this delay has "had some positive effects" he said no, it was not a campaign tactic, asking for fairness is not campaign tactic. now to the who. who will the campaign managers b. we spoke earlier with judy chu, democratic congresswoman from california. >> i think that the impeachment managers have set the tone, they

set the direction of the questioning that will occur. they are very critical and want to have the best expertise possible. >> now we are back to the how. how will the senate conduct this trial. a lot of questions about witnesses, amar alexander is a republican from tennessee who is not seeking reelection. he indicates that he would like to hear from so witnesses at some point. >> i want to make sure i have a chance to vote on whether we need additional witnesses or additional documents. after hear the case, and ask my questions. >> now, you could have a rather lengthy trial here that leads into the iowa caucuses and also to the new hampshire primary. kevin mccarthy had some advice for joe biden, one of the democratic presidential candidates who is not in the senate. >> the only rightful thing of joe biden is to make a pledge not to campaign when bernie sanders cannot, after what the democratic national committee had done to his campaign a few short years ago.

>> now the democratic caucus chairman hakeem jeffries indicated just a bit ago that they will certainly not take campaign advice from kevin mccarthy. what does this mean in terms of the start of the trial? you could've actually have the opening formalities may be thursday, but we think that they won't get to the thoughts of the trial, perhaps, until sometime early next week, harris. >> harris: all right, chad pergram, thank you. the trial, does this just get dismissed? >> brian: no, it just looks like you saw senator alexanders, susan collins, senator blunt, they all have indicated that they want to see some type of trial. >> harris: and mitt romney else also. >> brian: yes, it seems so unsurprising, i left him out. i actually think it is better for both sides if they don't dismiss it, because we already heard what speaker pelosi is going to say. policies going to say cover up right away. if you don't have witnesses, cover-up, that will be the theme. a lot of the republicans in these battleground states are going to say, well, you did not

really have a trial. now, if they have some semblance of a trial, it helps, i think a lot of these top fights. >> harris: when you see hakeem jeffries right off the top they're talking about fairness, and getting to that, how does that play against what happened in the house when republicans were banging the drum, give us our full list of witnesses, or at least more than that just a couple. >> dagen: right, the intelligence committee reviews g.o.p. witnesses and the republicans were denied a hearing date and the judiciary. so for the democrats to use the word fairness, well, i got a good giggle. in my office earlier. one thing nancy pelosi set on these articles of impeachment, does she think that leaving a garbage it stew on the stove and letting it cook down is going to make it more appetizing to only republicans who weren't biting or did not want to eat this in the first place? the answer is going to be known. in fact, it flies in the face of

her argument and adam schiff's argument that we have to rush this because, again, this needs to be a preemptive impeachment for what trumpet might do. but this is not constitutional. >> harris: from the left side of the aisle, you've had around, you've had a lot of other things come up that which are also very urgent. he of war powers resolution's on the where would you put the american people on the idea of, he's already impeached, that's forever, removing him now through senate trial? >> melissa: it depends on what people are talking about, there's a huge appetite for the democratic base for that, and the republican base, almost equally they do not want him to be removed from office. it is independence that are going to decide the 2020 election, when you look at them, the tide is shifting against impeaching and removing the president from office. democrats are paying attention to that. i think we sent nancy pelosi's feeling a little bit of pressure making sure that we do get to the trial point, the caucus was split on whether the strategy

was a good one or not, to wait those couple of weeks, but to the firmest point. i will remind everybody that the rules of the judiciary and that are the same ones that use during bill clinton's impeachment in 1999, we did hear from witnesses as well and we got to the senate portion of this. susan collins, lamar alexander are saying we need to have a fair trial, because mitch mcconnell has been on national television saying i'm not impartial, i'm not fair, i'm cordoning with the white house. >> harris: we don't think anyone in this is fair, they're all partisan. >> jessica: hang on, no, they are all coordinating with their team. let's manus, it's totally political on both sides. what is good for the goose is good for the gander. what is interesting is i can't decide what each side really wants, the first witness i would think the democrats would want is john bolton. the first witness that the republicans would want would be hunter biden. so if you let everybody call

their witnesses, that is going to be quite a television show. it is all or nothing, you cannot say, you can call witnesses but you can't. no one knows what is going to happen, it could blow up in either side surveys if you call witnesses. >> harris: what, brian, do you think has gone on in this nearly month-long delay? john bolton, former national security advisor sitcoms were in and says if you subpoena me i will testify. that is new, maybe it is a little bit of a victory for democrats in another sense that they will have to go after them. i was reading that she could come at the speaker of the house, still subpoena him at this point. >> brian: good luck with that. we are so done with ukraine as the country, i think we talk about what's good for democrats, what's good for republicans, what's good for the country? turn the page. you can say bill clinton is impeached for life, you can say donald trump is impeached for life. when i think of bill clinton i don't think of impeachment, i really don't. >> harris: i bet he does. >> brian: by the time he was

done, he was already reelected. >> jessica: were not saying it's good that he got impeached, were not saying he's in an elite club. >> brian: i would say this. there are two things that are different, john bolton can testify. i don't have this first hand, i have it secondhand. don't wish ward too much. he has a super pac and he's going to book. do you think he has any future and blowing up this president when donald trump is the most powerful republican figure in the country? he does not see i die with any democrat on this planet. why would he go and become states witness? >> jessica: because he said i don't want to be part of any deal that you're tearing on. >> brian: he might not have a problem with the policy. >> dagen: just like in a criminal trial, you never know what a witness is going to say until they get up on the stand, if you think you do, it can come back, this is paraphrasing, a could come back to bite you in the ass.

>> brian: bulletin has been through this ring are so times before. the person to work with is rudy giuliani, he is the ukrainian expert, his paperwork is now out in circulation. i have no idea what wild cards he is putting in, rudy giuliani and he have gotten together. rudy giuliani has been a wild card. >> harris: melissa said something though, excuse me one second, you were talking about how political this is. i'm talking about that possible impeachment managers. the top two were jerry nadler and adam schiff who have not been shy about how they feel about this president from the get-go. maybe not as pushing impeachment as much as it representative al green, but they could easily have lunch together, no one would step on each other. >> jessica: it is completely political from both sides, everyone has their outcome that they are rooting for, they're trying to tip the scales in their favor. once you introduce witnesses, it gets very unpredictable on both

sides. >> dagen: the way this could get decided, witnesses could get called, it would require a majority vote for each different oneness. that is one possibility. so you might not get a bolton but you might not get a biden and that would be a legitimate trade-off for right and left. >> harris: so who is farther down the list? you said the top two would be biden and bolton, so next? >> brian: i would say adam schiff for republicans. who's going to bring that up as rand paul. he wants underwriting and he wants adam schiff. republicans wanted over, they're going to look to this to reorient people as to why the president was curious to begin with. he wants to orient people to say this is about 2016, not 2020. democrats are going to say you're trying to stop the candidate joe biden, he was actually trying to stop the republicans, the 2016 joe biden uncover what he might have been up to as representative of president obama's administration as it had to do with ukrainian

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>> melissa: fox news alert. tensions between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are heating up, with just three weeks until the iowa caucuses.

the latest dustup started after a report that sanders had told warren in a private conversation that he did not believe a woman could win the white house. sanders denies report calling it "looter chris" saying what i did say that night is "donald trump is a sexist, a racist, and a liar who would weaponize anything he could. do i believe a woman could win in 2020, after all hillary clinton be donald trump by 3 million votes in 2016." warren later released her own statement on the more matter saying, in part, "i thought a woman could win, he disagreed, i have no interest in discussing this any further because bernie and i have far more in common then aren't differences and punditry." esca, she brought it up and now says i don't want to talk about it. >> jessica: it leaks are funny things. i would love to see a woman in the white house and i share the concerns that bernie sanders has that a woman can't win, because

of the electoral college and the popular vote. >> melissa: but he says he didn't say that. >> jessica: i believe that he said that. it is a very common thing to say which is, it's going to be a really tough road. when someone is breaking the norm, we have had a lot of men as presidents, we have had one black man, otherwise all white men. it's hard to change things, there it's there are a lot of people that harbor biases. joe biden was on the campaign trail talking about sexism in the 2016 election. what's going on between sanders and warren started out as a sanders supporters who were being instructed to attack warren supporters on the basis of being elites and he went to frame it like i am working class joke, not biden, but the proverbial joe, and warren is being backed by a bunch of college educated whites. >> melissa: is he right? >> jessica: if you look at the breakdown, she has a plenty of working-class support, he has more. the sanders supporters are famous for being horrible online trolls and really digging deep. these are people that said that

hillary clinton was the other side of the coin of donald trump, made that direct comparison. >> melissa: i'm glad you brought up hillary clinton because her spokesperson was quick to land, saying "bernie blamed warren's staff in his initial statement calling them liars, when it now appears he was lying while shaming them. imagine if a female candidate had done the same, where the situation reversed. we would watch 14 new cycles about whether she can be trusted." i am not positive he said it. >> brian: well, put it this way, it makes for an interesting debate. they're going to sit side-by-side even closer, their friends, but one of them is a liar. if they want to win, one will call the other a liar. that's the way it is done. marco to low-energy job. joe biden is going to be fighting with everyone on his iraq policy in particular, stuff he has set in the past. these two are going to be at

heads because they can't win with the other one in the race. >> dagen: i say this all the time, desperation is the world's worst perfume. that is what we smell from elizabeth warren with this week. do you think a week or being a tattletale really improves your likability here? in terms of elizabeth moran, she is struggled with truthfulness for a long time. you know what hurts women more than anything? someone who lied about her ethnic city for decades to get ahead rather than being smart and driven, that was not enough, you had to lie about being "an american indian" which is what she rode on her bar card. she says it over and over again. >> melissa: can i ask you, i don't agree with jessica because i don't think it's true. i don't think it is hard for a woman to get elected. >> jessica: why hasn't it happen then? >> melissa: in this day and age, i don't think it's hard.

>> brian: michelle obama would probably be a favorite to win. >> harris: i just don't think we know it was sad, i thought that's what you were talking about, interestingly enough, in her response, elizabeth warren brings up again that it was private. it did not matter so much that it was private when stuff was leaking and you thought it might help you, but now that you have to cleanup on aisle 7, it suddenly a private meeting again. i don't think we know enough detail about what they talked about. you know, can people when can they not win, i think we have to see. may be the right woman hasn't won yet. the country decides, we have to pull everyone. >> melissa: i think a woman could win today. >> harris: i think anyone could win today. >> brian: bernie sanders has a good cover, you don't his cover is, he i won't vote for a woman, a woman wouldn't be present, he said i don't think america is over at their sexism enough to believe they can be present. not my problem. he is not thinking i don't think a woman should be president, that is his cover. >> jessica: but that's the truth of the matter.

of course it is up to the american people, it was a private conversation, elizabeth warren's team leaked this because they know that the two of them cannot coexist for that much longer, because of where they are pulling out, from their basis. we also should acknowledge that joe biden is the beneficiary of all of this, there were some great pulling for him yesterday and i want and new hampshire, he is doing well nationally. cory booker dropping out benefits him, no malarkey in fact. 3-5% in south carolina, african-american voters he we know decide these elections. , harasses supporters as well. >> melissa: what hurts women more than what bernie sanders may or may not have said as elizabeth warren using her gender yet again as a crutch. >> brian: i'm curious to see if there is a way to attack joe biden and not get hurt. my harris thought she did a great job, nailed him, out of the race.

cory booker destroyed him, julian castro, oh, my goodness, he tore him up, but he got destroyed and he is out now. >> jessica: he accused him of saying something that he hadn't said, and he looked like this he now wanted side of the 76 road. julian castro did not do that effectively. >> brian: i thought he was effective, using the street credit of joe biden. >> harris: here's what i want to hear, why did you let harvard university, harvard law school market you as their first of color? >> harris: i think anybody can win. >> melissa: i think i could name all kind of woman who could win today, michelle obama. >> jessica: do you think amy klobuchar could win? >> jessica: know because i don't think she has a charisma. but i think there are other women who are very compelling who could win over the whole entire country like michelle obama and nikki haley. >> harris: having them first by president though i think

opened up, it's not just raise, it's not just gender, it opened up the lane to everything. it's about the merits of the job. i think it broke the mold. >> jessica: it also exposed a deep underbelly of sexism and racism, as we saw that coming out for michelle obama, the racism there. we see sexism in the campaign with hillary clinton, i know you guys disagree with me about th that. >> harris: already, we got to go. this is a good discussion, a cheating scandal rocking major league baseball. how the houston astros controversy could have a lasting impact on the national pastime.

>> dagen: russian military agents reportedly hacking the ukrainian gas company at the center of the impeachment probe. that according t to a u.s. cyber security firm. the russians are said to have launched a hacking campaign in november as the house was investigating the phone call between president trump and the ukrainian president that sparked the impeachment investigation. it is not clear what the hackers were looking for or may have gotten. the timing suggests that those hackers may have been searching for materials that could damage joe biden, his son hunter served on that company's board. house intelligence committee chair adam schiff criticizing the intelligence committee for not coming to congress about this. >> we are going to start by finding out what our intel agencies know about this. i have to say i'm a bit distressed to see this for the first time in a newspaper

report, if the intel community is aware of this, that should've been brought to our attention by now. >> melissa: adam schiff speaking out against the media and against the intelligence committee, who does that sound like? >> brian: i've no idea, but if people think this is a smoking gun, they hack into a gas company he's no longer involved with, to find out what? that russians don't like ukrainians? they are on a daily basis infiltrating their barter, they're infiltrating the separatists, their economy, they're doing the best they can to take ukraine out. this is just more controversy to play into it. russians love the fact that we're even debating it. >> jessica: i totally agree, the whole point, it's like a win-win for the russians. they go in and hack, either they find something that helps president trump and they put it out there, or they find something that helps them, as brian was saying, related to their day-to-day lives, or they

do not and it looks like they've got the best in president trump. all they really want to do is discord and excellent work again, good work. you did it again russia. >> harris: if our intel agencies really do have any intel on russia, hackers, all that. because were so set up against each other, their banking on we just want to do it. the intel community, because it has been taken down, criticized, necessary, back-and-forth, back-and-forth, does not go to the house intel committee chairman. and then there is, you know, the whole backdrop of, well, did he leak, did his team meet with the whistle-blower and all that. did stuff leaked previously. there is a so much stuff that is going on, i bet russia just sits back going, go get me another root beer. >> brian: putin is going to announce he's breaking ground on the trump tower in moscow, but not related to the president of

the united states, just to drive everybody nuts. >> jessica: he can just rehash the old plan, present troubles going to do that. obviously this benefits russia, they don't like ukraine, they love messing with our elections, it is a persistent and consistent threat to our security that russians are doing exactly what they did in 2016. "the new york times" says this hack follows the same formula as it did with hillary clinton's emails on the dnc emails. joe biden is out with a new ad today, his tweet was really funny, it said, mr. president, why are you so obsessed with me. it is all the times the president talks about him, how this impeachment trial hinges on the fact that the president knew joe biden would be his opponent, and then wanted to pressure the president of ukraine into looking into him and investigating hunter biden and burisma. this place to joe biden's favor, i believe, the conversation we're having about this. he can draw on his experience it, foreign policy experience, i'm sure people will debate this

tonight. >> dagen: we are talking about russia and burisma, i think about, this was a phishing attack where they tried to lure employees of companies involved with burisma to fake websites. nearly one-third of all data breaches in the most recent year, 2018, were phishing attacks, more than three quarters of organizations were finished. so, it is rush over here, what about everything else that is going on, whether it's compromising our election, compromising our data. >> harris: i go back to the first 40 or so pages of the mueller report. russia, russia, russia. what they're capable of, what they have done, i just hope are ready for the next election. >> jessica: it doesn't sound like we are. >> harris: we can't forget what they're capable of. >> brian: i do believe we are ready, the russians are going to learn, we put the lights on that country should they tried here. the best defense is great offense. i sense were going to let them

know. >> jessica: can you call o'connell and tell him to pass some of those election bills, brian? >> brian: it's already done. >> dagen: so after vince vaughn thought he could just set in the press box, heat and enjoy last night's college championship game, cancel culture has another idea. bless bill barro wants apple to unlock two phones of the pensacola shooter. apple says that would be bad for everyone. should congress step in? hey, saved you a seat.

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>> brian: we have asked apple for their help in unlocking the shooters phones. so far, apple has not given any substantive assistance. this situation perfectly illustrates why it is critical that the public be able to get access to digital evidence once

it is obtained a court order based on probable cause. >> jessica: attorney general william barr renewing that debate over security and privacy in weathertight company should give law enforcement access to consumer data. yesterday, barr held in news conference on the naval air station in pensacola and which is saudi service member shot and killed three soldiers. bar called the shooting act of terrorism and urged apple to unlock the smartphone. in a statement apple size it is assisting the investigation but stand by its policy of protecting encrypted devices. saying "vectors can often be exploited by those who. today la force has access to more than american history. kun tumors do not have to choose between weakening privacy and solving investigations." obviously were all thinking back to the san bernardino shooter when there is a debate between apple and the government and between getting them to assist in unlocking the terrorist

phone. >> melissa: you know, and all the situations when you hear about the specific station you say yes, they should have access to the phones to make sure that more people don't get hurt. then i flashed back to the report and everything that happened in the last election and the listening in on president trump, whether or not that made sense. really about the fisa court judge, saying that there was abuse and that she was horrified, i think it was a woman. she was horrified by what happened in the case of the president to realize that they don't want courts demanding that apple unlock the phone. >> jessica: i think there's more here than we really know about, and my experience in covering these companies, talking to the ceos, they say people do star in the government, they certainly nsa and everywhere else because you have the most freedom to go do things. they want to learn how everything works and they want to learn about the technology, they also want to know what kinds of things does the government needs so they can go start their own company, so i don't think it is that the

government can't do that and can't get into the phone, i think they want apple to do it, and i also hear from everybody intact that there is a backdoor. i don't believe it when they say there is no backdoor, it is there. >> harris: just in terms of apple and other companies saying it's about security, if you give the key to the information, if you will, about that backdoor, then you open up problems for yourself that you can't really advertise than that your phone is unbreakable. that there is no way to get in there. it is part of a marketing conversation that you are having with consumers. let's be honest about the fact that none of this stuff is cheap, you have to replace it every time the technology grows, so i don't know if that plays a role on this too. my curiosity though, is, why can't there be like us gift like what they do encumbrance. why can't there be a place where apple on the government: meats and do it they have to do with that device and then leave.

>> brian: apple will not do it, apple does not want to give up intelligence. b2 nobody has to know, you're right there. >> brian: if it is an act of terror and national security they should be -- >> jessica: the aclu is backing up on this and saying it's a slippery slope. they go on with pfizer court, if we had kennedy here, she would be screaming about civil liberties and the fourth amendment. >> jessica: harris is exactly right, this is why apple fought the fbi over the san bernardino shooter's phone, they were not going to write specifically to allow the fbi to open it. that is their marketing message, we are protecting your phone, it is also an issue when you create backdoors, you create vulnerabilities in your encrypted products, because you make them less safe and accessible for cyber criminals. i want to point out, apple said,

we have cooperated with law enforcement, we have given the fbi a wide variety of information about the pensacola shooter. i could back up, account information, transactional data for multiple accounts. they don't know what's on this phone, i think the justice department is trying to hide from the fact that they missed the fact that this murderer and 21 other saudis were people of extremist views. >> brian: i think they just want to find out more. >> dagen: they don't know what they're, you know it, the san bernardino shooter's phone, they paid $900,000 to a firm based in israel and they got it open without apple's help. >> melissa: but it is about the point that they want to know how to do it for themselves forever. they want the information, they met the right to do it, that's what they're fighting for. >> jessica: the government is where you go to get the patent, and now the government that gave me the patent wants you to give them information, so what is the patent worth? >> dagen: you just file it, they create the information that

you then patent. it's just that the government as a warehouse for that data. >> jessica: we have to talk about ben's fun and the astros and continue this discussion. >> brian: they go hand-in-hand. >> harris: hold on, hold on. one second, i forever tell mike a federal judge, just access the contents of the dead terrorist phone. apple implements at the encryption, it is simple, front or request, will apple help us to get into the shoulders phone or not, that coming directly from the doj office of public affairs seconds ago. breaking news on the topic we were talking about. >> jessica: just in time, they were watching and thought that may fix this for you, "outnumbered" cast. >> harris: apple will fight it all the way to the supreme cou supreme court. or justice drops it. >> jessica: we stuffed talk about the astros, got to talk

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>> harris: a new cheating scandal is rocking the national pastime. major league baseball is punishing the astros for repeatedly stealing signs in 2017, the year they won their first world series. the team acted swiftly firing that general manager and team manager. just after the team's suspended both of them for a year. sign stealing is an old baseball pattern, i guess you could say. teams are not allowed to use electronics. the astros were caught using a camera at their home ballpark to record the opposing pictures of signs, then fed them to a monitor near the team's dugout. players then tipped off batterers by banging on a dugout trash can. here's astros owner jim crane on firing his manager and gm. >> i have higher standards for

the city and the franchise, i am going above and beyond mlb's penalty. neither one of them started this, but neither wanted anything about it, that's how we came to the conclusion. >> harris: so i'm going to bang on my laptop and send you, this is a big deal. >> brian: huge, so much bigger than pete rose even though pete rose is just one individual, it happened as a manager. this is a world series champion, and the manager, one of the coaches on the world series champion in 2017, manager of the world champion red sox in 2018. the red sox are up next. this one in particular, evidently the coach and gm are going to pay the price. gm, and reported nothing about it. >> melissa: what about all the players in the dugout they were banging on the trash can? >> brian: honesty brought the answers, in turn, there's no prosecution, there is no suspension. now, one of those players on that team is now the new manager of the mets.

so, so much has happened. what about the job jurors, the dodgers lose to these guys, the yankees went three games to two. they decided not to vacate, they should have vacated it along with the $5 million on the suspension. >> harris: all right, i want to get to this, former astros pitcher tweeted this comparing science healing to steroid use. here it is "let me get this right, you steal signs and get fired but if you do steroids you get millions of dollars in contracts and inducted into the hall of fame. #makesnosense ">> brian: my answer to that is people say jose canseco's and mark mcgwire are solid candidates, they will never get into the hall of fame, they paid a personal price. when they found out they got it, they were suspended by 60 games, that whole season, then for life. it does not make one thing right one thing wrong. worry all swelled as trying to

rationalize bad behavior. it's bad behavior, you cannot legislate integrity. >> melissa: the reason why this is such a big deal to his you could put cameras around your home stadium for a whole variety of things and begin treating. what they did it so outrageous, it is so beyond the pale because you could do it for everything, every team could have been doing this all along. it is staggering. >> jessica: $5 million does not seem like enough money to me and all this. when you look at these guys individual contracts, how much the astros brand, having been world series champs. >> brian: think about how much they benefited individual from that championship. how the dodgers are not champions because the other team cheated two years in a row. >> jessica: isn't as bad as the black socks? is that that everlasting? >> brian: it's an argument. >> jessica: the left canceling a hollywood star for channeling with the president and the

first lady at last nights college football championship game. whether we can ever get a break from today's political divide.

>> the liberal cancelled culture found a new target. actor vince vaughn. triggering hash backlash from the left after tv cameras showed him chatting and laughing -- how dare he -- with president trump. one person tweeted, ladies and gentlemen, i regret to inform you, vince vaughn is cancelled. also this. i used to have a massive crush on vince vaughn. now i just wants to barf. the actor had some defenders saying it's vince vaughn with the president talking at the football. >> he's a conservative, a

libertarian. he's a producer in every element. the only thing i can count on in life. if you go to a vince vaughn movie, it's worth your time. we need as a country to have a dodge ball 2. we don't need people coming down on this guy. he's fantastic and allowed to talk to the president. >> you're in a both and -- >> would you snub him if you're in the box? >> absolutely. he's had me say not so nice thing about him and i'm sure we could still have a lovely conversation. it's like alan and george bush were at the cowboys game. she gave a great response to it. this isn't about -- it's human decency. what is he supposed to do? get up and walk away from the most powerful man in the world? >> i'd like to see what they would do. you're not going to snub -- >> i would have liked to have been at the game. >> i wanted to see them

standing, doing the tall guy face-off which -- >> he's 6'6". >> yeah. it would be a fight. a -- i want to sit here and quote vince vaughn the whole time. on twitter when this happened, a lot of it -- here's my hot take -- a lot of it was people on the right or conservative saying, are you triggered? oh, he's cancelled. it wasn't people on the love. he's conservative. it's people trying to foment anger and upset. >> just get off twitter and watch the game. i missed it because i watched the game. >> if he's on the screen, he's a tall drink of water. >> he's cute. >> before we go, brian, a big fox nation special coming up. >> january 25. i want everybody to join me. go to ticketmaster.com. fox nation will do it live. they have a chance to talk red

white and blue instead of red and blue. go through america's history. exclusively on fox nation. >> how do you have time? >> there's no dress code. >> he doesn't sleep. >> and you're a nice guy. >> back here today. here's harris. >> harris: this hour, learning new details about the house democrats' next steps on impeachment. the list is growing of gop senators signalling they may want to hear from witnesses. "outnumbered overtime." i harris faulkner. the u.s. house is going to send two articles of impeachment to the senate. it's been nearly a month-long delay due to a standoff over witnesses and procedure. today movement. speaker nancy pelosi huddled with her caucus behind closed doors. the partisan divide on full display on the senate floor. >>