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january 18, 2020. i'm jon scott, see you tomorrow. [♪] [♪] mark: hello, america, i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty & levin." we have a great guest, senator tom cotton. we never met before. it's a pleasure. you have an impressive background, harvard, harvard law school. but even more impressive, you served in the 101st airborne in iraq and later in afghanistan with the provincial reconstruction team in between
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tours you served with the old guard at arlington national cemetery. so you go to harvard law school, then you decide to go into the military? >> some people may say i redeemed myself by joining the army after going to harvard. i started my final year of law school in september of 2001, probably the second week of school i was in evidence class, this was when dinosaurs roamed the earth and we didn't have smart phones in the classroom. we all gathered together and watched the rest of the day as the towers fell down, and as flight 93 crashed in shanksville. we had a prayer vigil. from that point forward i knew i
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wanted to serve in our country's military. i thought about rushing out to join right away. friends in the military discouraged that. it was probably best to finish law school and practice for a couple years to pay off my loans. but when that finished i joined the army in january 2005. mark around also received the bronze star, the combat infantry badge pant ranger. -- and the ranger. you have some knowledge, some experience about what you are talking about not just on the senate floor and not just from the television. you have been on iraq and afghanistan and you have been on the ground. you are a senator. you serve on the intelligence
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community he. you are the only united states senator, 98-1 vote. you voted against the iran deal. even though it aloud for congress to review the deal, you said wait a minute. it's supposed to be a treaty under our constitution. 98-1. you are it. you are too nice. you don't want to comment. >> a lot of people who supported that measure want some mechanism to vote up or down on president obama's iran nuclear deal. a nuclear arms control treaty with and mortal enemy like iran should be treaty. it should have widespread report which is reflected in a 2/3 vote in the united states senate.
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these things are not outdated. they still happen in these days. the treaty is a way to have a durable and lasting agreement with the united states and another country. my history with iran goes back pretty far. by the time got done with my training in 2005 and got to iraq in 2006 was right before the surge. it was in the times when things were deteriorating that necessitated the surge the following year. we saw this fueled by iranian meddling. the most deadly weapon was a sophisticated roadside bomb that was manufactured in iran by the quds force led by quassem soleimani who has the blood of
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thousands of soldiers on his hands because of the iraq war. my history with iran goes back farther than that. mark: soleimani. i guess i'm an ole reaganite. you take out a genera genocidalc like this. this guy has been doing this for decades. he has massive amounts of blood on his hands. muslim, american, syrian, lebanese, israeli blood. everybody knows who he is. everybody knows what he is. the president who is actually quite careful about using military force takes him out. the democrat party almost to a man and woman criticized him. there was a phoney non-binding
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resolution in the house to try to limit his power. there were some codepink republicans out there waving the constitution around bizarrely. >> quassem soleimani was a sadistic terrorist mastermind. there is no country in the middle east whose citizens have not suffered from him. just at the end of last year more than a thousand iranians were killed by their own security forces that they protested against their government. quassem soleimani was responsible for those as well. i have seen the intelligence he was plotting something large and dangerous. whether it happened in a matter of weeks or days. the question of whether an attack is imminent looks different than if you are a
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soldier sitting in iraq or a senator sitting behind armed guards in washington, d.c. i was disappointed in my democratic colleagues the last few weeks. if you have the chance to take a master minds like quassem soleimani off the battlefield, you do it. i commend the president for doing it. we should have done it a long time ago. mark: you hear people say what are we doing there? it's a quagmire. >> with iran they have been waging war against us for 40 years. in iraq where we have a small presence there. it might have been smaller if we hadn't withdrawn in 2011. the surge worked. president bush hands over an iraq that was largely stable to
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president obama. president obama main tairned the stance -- maintained the stance he took during the campaign that he would withdraw the troops. i would prefer to see a smaller presence, but also a stable country in which you don't see a vicious terrorist organization like the islamic state rise from the ashes and start threabting americans d threatening americans again. if we withdraw from the middle east, it's very likely going to follow us back to the united states like it did on 9/11. it doesn't mean we have to have 1. >100,000 troops and remake the countries into western democracies. but it means we have to have troop presence so we can project power and make sure threats
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don't materialize there. mark: intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear warheads. >> that's why iran is building icbms. you don't put conventional warheads on icbms. there is only one reason you build a missile that can fly from iran to europe and the united states. that's so you can have a nuclear warhead on that. someone with a few hundred thousand dollars and resolve and committed fanatics could do on 9/11, it's so essential we don't allow power vacuums to rise in places that have large numbers of highly skilled, highly motivated terrorist fighters as in iraq and syria because nose people though they may be playing a near game against their second tear yawn rivals
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of -- their sectarian rivals. their end game is the great satan that iran calls the united states. mark: do we not have diplomats and businesses abroad? >> embassies in every country. when president trump directed the strike that killed quassem soleimani. we also killed soleimani's main deputy in iraq. it was his militia that killed the american linguist and wounds troopers. that man has a long and bloody history as well. he was responsible for bombing the united states embassy in kuwait in 1983. the threat is not limited to iraq or where we have troops in the middle east. just because the president prevailed in this round and they
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are once again scared of the united states. they are not going to pull in their horns. our embassies remain as risk of iranian terror. it's important to stress the red line if a single american is harmed by iran or their proxies, they will face severe consequences. mark: war monger is the word that seems to be pushed out there, if you believe in a robust national security. from time to time the necessity of using it. i'm not talking about a quarter million troops. you have been called a war monger. what do you make of that. >> you said you were an old reaganite. i subscribe to peace through strength. george washington said the most effective mechanism of protecting the peace is to be prepared for war. weakness provocative and invites
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attacks upon you. anyone who has seen the face of a war up close sees what it does to the soldiers who fight it or the civilians around it. the last thing one wants to see is another war. but we have to be prepared to fight that war if we want to deter our adversaries from starting it in the first place. mark: when we return i want to explore with you way call the trump doctrine. most weeknights you can see me on levintv. you can call 844 levintv. or blaze tv/mark to sign up. we'll be right back. be a sign yr digestive system isn't working at its best. taking metamucil every day can help. its psyllium fiber forms a gel that traps and removes the waste that weighs you down.
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he takes the information and makes his own decisions. what the media and many democrats and republicans are mission, there is a trump doctrine. he seize what obama did, basically appeasement and the dismantling of the united states military. he said enough of that. that's a disaster. he sees the bush doctrine which effectively was build up the united states military, a much more aggressive interventionism and state building. he said i'm never for that. he was against the iraq war. what does he do? he says i want america to be the strongest nation on the face of the earth. i want to build up the military. i have no problem with diplomacy. i will talk to the dictators. people say no, no, no. but he says i will talk to them. if you are going to kill american soldiers, i'm going to
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stop you. reaganer in sent a quarter of a million troops anywhere. he pushed the communist re jeements ou -- regimes out of central and south america. he was respected and feared by our enemies. the trump doctrine reminds me of the reagan doctrine with a trump overlay. what do you think about that? >> that's well said. the obama doctrine was a bad overcorrection to what happened in the bush years. we badly harmed our military and hollowed it out. and turned the other comeek con -- turned the other cheek consistently. donald trump came into office and said we are not going to
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turn countries into a western european parliamentary government. he enforced barac barack obama'd line in syria. the red line has been if you harm an american you will suffer consequences. when quassem soleimani killed an american he did just that. it's like what reagan did in iran. question a u.s. navy vessel was struck by an iranian mine, that was after three years of iran mining those waters. reagan practiced restraint and forbearance. he had the threat of the soviet union to consider as well. but even if you look at the threats the soviet union posed during the cold war, i think
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china poses a greater threat in the 21st century. he has done a lot to bring along people in my party who were just focused on getting cheap stuff from china. he changed the views of many republicans on china. that's the most durable parts of the trump doctrine and foreign policy. it's the most bipartisan part. mark: i consider china the most dangerous threat wee face. of -- we face. they have stolen our technology and they are probably more sophisticated than the russians when it comes to it in hardware. cyber warfare, they are on the cutting edge. they are developing a global
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military. both sides of the panama canal, chinese contractors. reagan would have never aloud that i don't believe -- -- would never have allowed that, i don't believe for a minute. trump inherited this. north korea had nukes when he became president of the united states. the iran deal was something he had to fix when he became president. he gets almost no credit. the constant attacks in the media by the former obama appointees. where has he been crash? i think he's been cogent, systematic, and i think there is a real doctrine behind it. what do we do about china? >> there is no question that china is the greatest threat wee face in the years ahead.
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iran and north korea are threats. they are rogue nations and generate crises. but they don't have the ability to displace america as a super power. russia is a troubled and declining power. china is still a rising power. a lot of people in washington in both parties made a lot of mistakes about china thinking if we outsourced more our factories and jobs there and brought stuff back from china they would become a western democracy. the opposite has happened. they have become more oppressive under xi jinping. and they are acting out in ways that are trying to project that
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power all around the world, with their belt rode project. by building islands in the south china sea. trying to displace us as the world's largest economy. the president has china 100% right. on every front we need to draw boundaries and china and ultimately defeat them. you name it. mark: you are saying and i agree, president trump is way ahead of the curve on this. that's why watching the last week, 10 days, the attacks on him, his staff, his advisors are so off the mark. he's way ahead when it comes to china. and i think what he's doing is he's dealing with it economically. and he's building up the united states military.
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he created the space force. he's not one of these codepink republicans. he's not an appeaser. he's not like some of your colleagues, a radical ideologue. he's bringing prudence to the job. he sees a problem and he's trying to fix it. do you agree with that? >> a lot of the things he campaigned on. he campaigned against the iran nuclear deal. i recall talking to him during the campaign about how bad the iran nuclear deal was, and he talked about how bad our trade deals were with china. he said in the campaign that he would put america first. to most folks in arkansas and places like michigan and wisconsin, it just seems like common sense. of course, you want the american president to put our country first and protect our interests whether it's our jobs, or
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accused the president of the betraying the public trust. buckingham palace says prince harry and his wife meghan will no longer use the terms royal highness. this takes effect in the spring. queen elizabeth says harry, meghan and archie will always be much-loved members of my family. i'm jon scott. now back to "life, liberty & levin." [♪] mark: senator tom cotton. you wrote a book called "sacred duty." ways your relationship to this? >> i served with the old guard at the arlington national cemetery. it's the oldest active duty regiment in our nation.
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is traces back to washington. it's been our nation's ceremonial unit for the last 72 hours. and ceremonies around the capitol region. most famously guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier. i conducted hundreds of funerals for veterans. many people are familiar with the old guard. arlington gets 4 million visitors a year. the old guard story had never been told. i wanted to tell that story. i think the honor and respect those soldiers pay to pour fallen heroes reflects how americans feel. mark: it's a beautiful book and inspiring, and just to see what the men and women do with their
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uniforms, how meticulous they are is a beautiful thing. i want to get into this foreign policy issue with israel. president trump has bent most pro-israel president since there has been a state of israel. he promised certain things and did certain things. he has taken 80% popularity in israel. you have been around long enough to see presidents make promises and not follow through with them. >> i have been to israel several times. i have seen a change in my time in the congress. first under president obama and now with president trump. president obama said he wanted daylight between the u.s. and israel. he thought that would help make peace with their neighbors. it didn't work. it encouraged malign behavior
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towards israel. israel is the only constitutional democracy in the middle east. they are a natural ally. we have a long, deep kinship with them. it helps israel have better relations with saudi arabia and other countries in the region. you mentioned keeping promises. ing this is an example of the president's instincts are correct. every president for decades has promised to move our embassy to jerusalem. the capital of israel. they always renege because the so-called foreign policy experts in washington predict dire consequences or attacks on israel. donald trump kept his promise. he moved the embassy to jerusalem. where were the riots?
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where was the war? so many so-called experts were predicting world war ii because the president took a terrorist off the battlefield. in this case, with the embassy, the exam same promise all presidents have made for decades and he's the only one that kept them. mark: you have been outspoken about the bds movement and anti-semitism. the combination of koch and soros. you are a senator from arkansas. you are looking at this from a humanity perspective. do you see a growing anti-semitism in our country on our college campuses, in the media and the democrat party
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worldwide? >> unfortunately there is growing anti-semitism including the united states. you saw the terrible vicious attacks in new york city in the middle of hanukkah against jews. the criminals who attacks those jews were often released the next day. the new york bail system is returning criminals back on to the streets. the there is an effort to single out the jewish state for economic warfare. you see it on our college campuses as well which is the heart of the bds movement. unfortunately it has affected the democratic party in washington to a degree. one of the first bills we vote on was to combat the bds and
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anti-semitism and it was controversial. nancy pelosi has refused to bring that bill up for a vote. ilhan omar from minnesota made anti-semitic remarks and nancy pelosi couldn't even bring a resolution to the house to censor her for those remarks. some watered down generic vague resolution. it's an ancient hatred. wherever it festers, conditions get worse very quickly for everyone. mark: i want to discuss impeachment. whether it's unconstitutional in the house and whether the delay was unconstitutional. ever since we moved here, i've been noticing it. i think the house is changing him... -[ gasps ] -up and at 'em! ...into his father. [ eerie music plays ] is it scary? -[ gasps ] -it's in eco mode.
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obstruction of congress. the senate part of congress, by the way? >> i think so. mark: then what's the other one. something about abuse of power. now, you went to harvard law school, you are a smart fella. i studied this my entire life, the impeachment clause. obstruction of congress and abuse of power would fall into the category that was rejected at the constitutional convention. too ambiguous. you could drive a truck through this stuff. turning the president into a functionary of the house of representatives. no due process. i'm not talking about the 6th amendment to the constitution. i'm talking about the rules that have been applied to past presidents and judges who have
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been impeached. they conduct the hearing in the intelligence committee. she holds it up and says i want to see what the senate is going to do. who elected nancy pelosi queen of america? did you? >> i did not. mark: she is one congresswoman. >> the articles of impeachment are similar to what was rejected in the constitutional convention. they rejected it because it was too vague, too generic. it would be used as a political tool just because someone disliked the president's policies. and that's what many of these witnesses alleged. they alleged they wanted to support ukraine. and this was a bad or unwise
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decision. er in not empowered to make those decisions under our constitution. only the president is. i remember when nancy pelosi first took the country down this path back in september. and i said, i know it's frustrating. i know you want to do the people's business. you just have to remember they started impeaching you the day you got elected. they filed the first articles a few weeks after you were sworn in. depending on how you count things, the third or fourth effort to impeach the president. no matter the allegations, it goes back to one single sin, defeating hillary clinton in 2016. as nancy pelosi and adam schiff has said, if the senate doesn't convict donald trump on this impeachment round, they will impeach him in the future. even though we have an election in barely 9 months.
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what does that do? that's in part what the president's lawyers want to do. how they present their case and call witnesses. the senate is not going to let nancy pelosi dictate to us. i suspect in the coming days when she sends articles through the house managers to the senate, we'll pass a resolution similar to the resolution that passed 100-0 in the bill clinton impeachment trial. and then the senate can decide what to do at that point in the senate trial. i hope democrats join us in this measure as they joined us in 1999. mark: good luck with that. >> given their behavior so far i don't hold out too much hope. mark: she has done enormous damage to the constitution, including the impeachment clause. if she and a small majority of
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democrats, the faction, the mob, if you will, in the house of representatives, gets away with this and the senate processes this as a normal impeachment for the trial. the standard for impeachment has been changed without an amendment to the constitution. any policy disagreement. just send hundreds of subpoenas to the president and his businesses and family. just keep throwing, throwing, throwing. try and cripple the president. then come up with these lame overarching allegations. they haven't found the president has committed any offenses whatsoever. push him out because you have the votes. not you impeachment clause of the constitution has been changed. the only body that can stop this is the united states senate. >> mark, it's almost like nancy pelosi and adam smif sat of --
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and adam schiff sat down and red all the concerns that alexander hamilton had about impeachment. some of our members voted against it. an inflamed partisan majority in the house of representatives. it's incumbent upon the senate to perform the role the founders wanted us to perform. that's why we have a senate, that's why it's structured in the way it is and that's the role we'll play, to make sure the president has a fair chance to present his case in a way he didn't in the house of representatives. not all constitutional procedures you have in a criminal trial. impeachment is not a court of law. as alexander hamilton wrote it's a political inquiry that will be connected to preexisting
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parties. that's why they gave it to the senate. it's our role to stop the damage the house of representatives have done precisely so they don't use this as a precedent in the future in the house. they realize this was an unwise decision. we are not going to do it again in 2025 or 2040 or 2052. my psoriatic arthritis pain? i had enough! it's not getting in my way. joint pain, swelling, tenderness... ...much better. my psoriasis, clearer... cosentyx works on all of this. four years and counting. so watch out. i got this! watch me. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are feeling real relief with cosentyx. cosentyx is a different kind of targeted biologic. it treats the multiple symptoms of psoriatic arthritis to help you look and feel better.
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[♪] mark: senator, we talked about this unconstitutional impeachment process. it's followed by this non-binding resolution where they vote to -- i don't know what they voted to do. extend the war powers act to tie the president's hand? is the war powers act of 1973 even constitutional? >> of course not. it was passed by democratic majorities because they were angry at president nixon. it's been declared unconstitutional by every president since then. we talked earlier about the treaty clause which requires the senate to ratify treaties if you
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want a last, durable commitment from the united states. we confirm ambassadors and cabinet members. we provide rules and regulations for the armed forces. those are important roles we play. we can declare war as well which in my understanding it has traditionally been the relationships between two warring nations. the fundamental way we have to stop the president from making war wet were it's limited strikes like the president took last week, or a major ground war in iraq is our spending power. if you don't want the president to use the military in certain ways, you refuse to fund it. this happened with ronald reagan in the 1980s. and we used it in the vietnam war. that's why we had to evacuate from the embassy in 1975. in fact congress tried to do
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that just a few weeks ago. there was amendments offered to the national defense bill that would have prevented the president from using the armed forces. the war powers resolution is not the way the congress can restrain the executive. congress can't micromanage the way the president uses the armed forces. the federalist 70 explains why we have a single executive. this is what the founders considered. they wanted one executive who can act with dispatch and energy and sometimes in secret. if they rejected having four or five executives, imagine what they would have thought about 535 commanders-in-chief. mark: we don't have a
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parliament. we have a constitutional republic with three branches. congress has a lot of power. they can cut off funding totally. >> if you don't like what president trump did last week in killing quassem soleimani or before that striking three bases of top hezbollah. that's fine. introduce a bill to prevent the president from using funds for the armed forces against iran. if you have the votes, pass it and send it to him. mark: we need to debate iran. well, debate. if the national intelligence committee wasn't so focused on impeachment, they could debate. ladies and yes, don't forget, most weeknights you can watch me on levintv. call us at 844-levintv or go
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mark: senator cotten, the overlay here, the media, you saw with iran, you have seen it with impeachment, you start with the so-called russia collision, that hoax and so forth. do you see the media really degrading itself more than ever in our lifetime? >> very few are the mainstream media organizations even make a pretense of remaining neutral newsgathering organizations. they've had become advocacy organizations. no matter what the president does, it's always cast in the worst possible light. before the strikes against qassem hal qassem soleimani the president is now warmonger
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in the united states is ready to start world war iii. you see it on issues for guns for instance. then media abandons any pretense of being neutral and giving both sides of the argument. they are outright advocacy organizations and the media wing of the democratic party. that's a real disservice to americans who want good, reliable news that is gathered every single day. there are still some bright spots. in arkansas are newspaper just celebrated its 200 anniversary. the publisher they are, because he's worried about the decline of standards and news reporting, publishes a statement of core values every day in the newspaper. it reflects the tradition of gathering news, neutrally and presenting it fairly that too many news organizations have abandoned. mark: that is very well said. immigration, climate change, military, law enforcement, the american founding where the
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media and this country does not embrace the radical left the democrat party. i see note between the two. i want to thank you for appearing today and giving us your expertise don't be a stranger. god bless you. see you next time on life, liberty, and levin. ♪ ♪. jesse: welcome to "watters world", i'm jesse watters. the media is getting nervous and that is the subject of water's word. the democratic debate was awful. a bunch of boring losers with bad ideas. i had to watch because i get paid to. and here's what i learned. democrats want to bribe terrorist, not kill them. whenever there is a threat to america, their only answer is to quote bring people together. whatever that means. they know nothing about trade. they say trump is bad on trade, but then they vote for his trade deals. profits are bad, except when donors give their profits to
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