before the iowa caucuses. that's it for today. have a great week. we will see you next fox news sunday. hello america, i'm markel event. this is life, liberty and levin. doug collins, how are you. >> i'm good. it's good to see you. >> you been busy. >> just a little bit. you're the top of the. [inaudible] i've got a lot of questions for you. let's talk about witnesses. then we'll get into some of the other issues. republicans on the judiciary

committee, how many witnesses were you able to call. >> none, zero. >> we shut down. >> yes, it was even worse than that. not even witnesses. i remember a time, we only had two hearings. think about how bad this was. we had two hearings and one was a complete waste of time. the other was fast. the, it was an amazing run for what should be, if you're going to do it, this is how you do it. >> i remember calling the chairman on the constitutional lawyers think and we just get one more. i couldn't even get one more lawyer on our side to come. it was shut down, shut down and we were just trying to get one more non- entity witness. that's how bad they shut this down. it was an amazing run. >> it is amazing because when you consider past impeachment

processes, involving judges, not just presidents, it's been an open process, there's been witnesses that the president's lawyers were able to ask for. >> none. and again this is where we really get into it. you brought it up, democrats say they're gonna do it just like nixon and it couldn't be further from party. it's just too different, polar opposites. we did a calculation the other day it was roughly from the time that speaker pelosi said were ian impeachment inquiries on september 24. she has no power to do that. why then in october on the 31st or we pass the house resolution actually saying we were in impeachment. if you just go from her data september 24, that's when she turned adam schiff loose.

she went to her trust trusted ally who has trouble with the truth and you know that from the end when we finally voted 78 days, 71 of those days the president had no chance to be a part of the process at all. compare that with clinton. clinton had an ongoing investigation with ken starr for almost three years. the president team was involved from day one, grand jury testimony that's what the whole thing developed out of. go back to nixon. special hearings, everything. where the white house was involved. when you get to this one, when you have 78 days of process in the house and 71 days the president was not even allowed to participate at all, there's no way you can see this was fai fair. this was all about vendetta that we don't like him, we

want to get rid of him and we have a clock that's beating down on us, a calendar beating down on us but we have to do this before the next election. that's what we have. mark: these impeachment articles, obstruction of congress and abuse of power, when you go back and look at madison's notes, they spent a lot of time on impeachment. first they were sugar there should be impeachment and then they decided maybe there should be impeachment, but they wanted to make certain that the president of the united states was protected, that he wasn't just answering to the house of representatives. they didn't want parliament. it's three branches with separation of power. george mason. [inaudible] madison said no, that bars to low. obstruction of congress and abuse of power falls into the

administration category which means if a president does something you don't like policy wise or dares to challenge his subpoena in the courts you're going to impeach him? is that what has happened here? >> that's exactly what has happened. that's the concern. there's been a abuse of power in other impeachments, but were talking about from a different standpoint. what's happened here. the abuse of power article is simply nancy pelosi telling her caucus just go say whatever you want to say because they don't have an abuse of power. the actual phone call and what they're trying to say is a wrong deed was not a wrong deed. there's nothing wrong with that. so they just said we can't come up with anything so let's say abuse of power. let's just say i don't like the way the president handled the situation so that number from wherever in the country can say i voted for this because the president shouldn't of said this and done it this way so it gives

them a very political term which goes back to my contention all the time that it's a political impeachment. it's been a political impeachment from day one. but then you have the temper tantrum article of them saying were not getting what we want so were just going to deem that your obstructing congress. the sad part about this is that adam schiff would actually write to witnesses and others that he wanted to hear from that you not complying with this, we would take this as obstruction. in other words if you have a reason that you don't comply with what he wanted he'll deem it as obstruction. early on i knew that would be one of the critical elements because they didn't want to avail themselves of any remedies they had and you had meanmentioned witnesses earlier. it's really interesting how the media has portrayed this, but i want to remind everybody listening to this that when adam schiff had the opportunity, he never subpoenaed john bolton.

so don't come back with this outrage now that we need to hear from him. they should've done their job to start with and they didn't do i it. mark: let me ask you about this. this is really important, i think. the house of representatives is conducting the investigation. one party controls the house of one party wanted to impeach the president of the united states. not a single republican. i don't believe this is ever happened in history. he is denied due process. i'm not talking about the bill of rights, i'm talking about the due process past presidents and judges have had, basic magna carta type due process that people are supposed to get. he gets less due process than the terrorists on 911 because habeas corpus rights, the president gets no rights, no consideration. you just told me he couldn't call a single witness.

same problem with the house intelligence community. they couldn't call a single witness. they wanted to call the whistleblower but they couldn't. john bolton, they didn't go to court now you have the senate demanding more from john bolton, mick mulvaney, and the secretary of state, these are the four they want, congressman don't we know historically that the courts have said under executive privilege and separation of powers that the small circle around the president, congress doesn't get them so they are purposely creating this confrontation. >> they wanted. again, let me go back to a statement that we set about the majority. he made a very revealing statement for anyone concerned about constitution and rights and especially for me even

those on my democratic counterparts that worry about their communities with police action and rights being violated, it's amazing to me how there willingly setting this. they said the president, we allowed him every opportunity to come prove his innocence. i'm sorry, did we take a vacation and leave the united states? do we automatically suspend the bill of rights or any due process? i don't care if you think he should be impeached or not, this is still relevant. this should bother everyone on how it came to be that working to make stuff up. i talked about this on the floor. if they're just gonna go in and accuse you of something under the new standard, then you just have to prove your innocence and everything will be okay. i think what's gonna happen when the senate gets it, and i think a lot of folks haven't paid as much attention, they were doing other things but now it's in their lap. they're going to hear this argument in less than a week or so and it's going to be, here's what we say the cases. then there can hear the

presidents defense for the first time in long form, here's what actually happened and i think american people are gonna go back and say, and the senators are gonna look at it and say this is what were getting, this is what you've wasted so much time and put us in a. of time in which we have to do something? i think the american people argosy through this, they're already seeing through it but when you make a promise and the speaker makes a promise and the democratic left makes a promise that were going to impeach him, it takes mean, motive and opportunity. motive was that they didn't like him, they looked at their 2020 bill and said this is a disaster and said we have to do everything, investigate him, harass him, do everything we can. it was last november when they won the house. at that moment if there was anyone in america have heard the speaker say this and i disagree, there were members of the party who came to washington when they got sworn

in who wanted to impeach this president. that's all they wanted to do. everything else was sort of the we the people gravy that they put out there which was terrible for the american people but this is what happened. this is why we saw what we have which is a perfectly done and we just talked about due process. i'm not even talking about the rules of house. we have rules and that's how congress should function. the founders, there's reasons we say the things we do because you have to get stuff done. they trash minority hearing days in which we have the right to call our own witnesses and said we couldn't have them. they wouldn't let us have our witnesses. to this day the house of representatives come the democrats are in violation of their own rules by not turning over transcripts from adam schiff. mark: let me ask you a question when we return. i'll ask it to you now and think about it. this is, in your mind a corrupt process, correct. >> very much so.

mark: it undermines the impeachment clause of the constitution. ththe way the framers set this up is that the framers of the check on the house, trial, chief justice, two thirds to convict and remove a president. because they weren't so sure on whether to include impeachment. [inaudible] the potential for the house concerned them. but they wanted to check on the president, and i agree with you, if this process is corrupt it really is fundamentally unconstitutional. then why is united states senate going to have a trial. that is my question for you when we return. ladies and gentling, don't forget, most week nights you can watch me on levintv, go to blaze tv.com/mark to sign up. give us a call at 844 levintv. we would love to have you

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congressman doug collins, so only the senate can be a check on the house. that's all we have in this

process. i have contended that it was our position to at least have a motion to put people on the record, whether it fails or passes, as you would in the court. make the case against what the house did, just like you're doing right now. >> outside something we could do, we saw it in clinton case, it was just motion and failed and they went on but i think it's something deeper. when you have fundamental corruption when i use the word fairness because most americans understand what is fair. when they are able to see the undeniable, unfairness of the situation that came out of the house in a format in which a lot of people may have tuned out but now this is this trial

that's happening in the networks were go nuts and everybody will watch and you'll probably even have more. i'm hopeful that they will be able to hear why this should have never have happened and why the process is so bad and why the democrats asked for the majority in the house and working to help people and do things for the american people, when they spent a whole year of the majority doing nothing but harassing and investigating the president. it's been amazing to me. the things that we can do. i've been involved in criminal justice perform, we talk about digital issues and how we handle privacy and those things come of this past year we've done none of it. we've had political statement bills, would not done with anything but one constant is investigation. that's all they've done and it's all set out to do one thing, impeach the president

or if they could never get there, it's to tear him down in his mind that they could not win reelection. you mention the founders a lot and you should. they were concerned about foreign influence, just coming out of the british rule but they also talked a great deal about what i feel is happening here and that's the political impeachment. they did not want the president to be subject to the whims of the majority in the house and so, could they have that void? sure but i think what's can happen is when the presentation is made the people argosy how bad this is. mark: i hope so because it's all going to be laundered to the media. what do you think the media coverage, they sat through that house committee and the russia speckle tilt and them robert mueller spectacle and now this spectacle. you think he got a fair shake from the media. >> no. i think we've gotten a shaken that's the best way to put it. what's amazing to me, it's just hard to believe it's almost been a year ago, the

media, what i've seen in this process is they've always been , okay will except the democrats take and then okay congressman you prove what you're saying is right. so you're taking this and i get it, but every time i would say something where i would question a witness or week amount say this evidence is not right, don't you think that this could be, and filling your blank. that's the part that we become accustomed to in washington d.c. is seeing them start the article in their head, they go to get their information to prove what they already want to write and in the meantime, it's amazing, we've seen this in so many events that what this president does is completely wrong and sets us apart, but yet if you compare it to president obama or

president clinton, we've had to go straight to shows like yours and others where we just have to go out and tell our position, this is what's happening. mark: let me ask you a question. these articles, any abuse of power, obstruction of congress, let's talk about abuse of power for a second period barack obama use the fbi to surveilled journalists. one of the new york times, one that fox and more than a dozen at the associated press. president trump never did that. we have fast and furious where our government is selling arms to drug and mobsters in mexico. president trump has never done that. we have daca, like it or not, it's constitutional law or

legislation, president trump has never done that. let's go back a little further. lbj use the fbi, the cia and the irs against his political opponents. president trump has never done that. jfk use the fbi, the irs. against the media, against the opponents, i could go on. abuse of power. should they all have been impeached? even if obama, lbj, jfk and fdr. >> no, they wouldn't and we know that. when fast and furious was up with obama and obamacare, the daca issue, there was someone on our side along to save let's impeach him but from our side we did neither because we understood exactly what this looks like, and i think that's the part that we've got to continue to face here. you cannot continue this complete double standard of saying if president trump --

what you laid out is just so important. president trump has done enough of these things and yet every time they turn around they want to get rid of it. >> let me ask you something has he violated statute or rules do not know. >> court order? >> no, constitutional? no but look what he has done, he got tax reform past. he got a china trade deal past. he's got criminal justice reform. the setup of our immigration, he's made our military proud and are foreign-policy different. you know the problem here is this. they don't like his style. he doesn't accept the status quo. it's amazing to me, i wouldn't

remember reporters coming to me and saying can you believe he's doing this and i look at him and say sure i can because he said heould. it's a refreshing voice in washington whether you agree with him or not. he came forward saying this situation don't look right to me. how can we fix it. as i've shared and you talked about as well, it's amazing to me how such a deaf ear the democrats have turned to a man who legitimately says let's work together. let's work on stuff. his idea on infrastructure was that's way too much, too fast. it scared them off. they don't know how to deal with some of the who actually gets things done. i tell kids, i get to talk to them a lot. i say here was a young man who, for all the things that you want to focus on and talk about him being bad, as president goes back to that time when he looks across the river in sabah skyline and said one day when a change that skyline and he did it. that's what american dreams

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already firing serious accusations at the defense. adam schiff complains the nsa and the csa are withholding documents on ukraine that could impact the trial. no comment from either agency. president's defense team said his pressure on ukraine was not an impeachable act. in the waikiki neighborhood of honolulu, a man accused of stabbing his landlord open fire on two law officers killing both of them. they believe the suspect died in the fire. now back to life, liberty and levin. congressman doug collins, first there was michael carla on campaign violation, where is he today, in prison. then there was michael off a

naughty and his client stormy daniels. and then he's in jail today. he was on tv hundreds of times. he was going to be president. so the media embraced : hoping that he was their savior. and then the stormy daniels lawyer and then another one, this ukrainian gentleman from the same district and is likely to save time. he can't cut a deal, the seventh district is a tough district so all of the sudden at the 11th hour he's got unbelievable evidence like you've never seen before. text messages, e-mail, voicemai voicemail, he's under criminal investigation and the whole issue is under criminal investigation by the department of justice. the democrats are saying we

have to be able to use this information in our senate trial. what you make of all this. >> i think it's another false hope for them. again, here's the case that you made, it's not good, you held it, he couldn't get any leverage, it's not going anywhere so what we do, let's pull out a shiny object. it was information that had been turned over to the house intelligence committee from a former leak and it was just released to the district. mark: wait a minute, over a week. >> oh yeah. mark: so they dramatically release it right before. >> we get our e-mail and it comes to us and really we got it the night before we went to the floor with all of this impeachment when they're all talking about all this new evidence. these are, there's a lot of stuff that he's turned over. we did have a chance to begin to even go through it with the intel committee and the judiciary committee but what were seeing here is nothing

new that's being presented at this point, and what we did see is there's nothing they did wrong, did you point out that the former justice has already investigated this conveyor look going to look into it further and if he's incriminated himself you have to deal with that but also, you forgot one. that was the whistleblower. the whistleblower, this is important because nancy pelosi. mark: i was just listing the indicted one. >> yes, this past week when we did articles of impeachment, she got on the floor and pulled what i call and adam schiff. she perfec purposely misrepresented what the president said on that phone call and she did so with the intent that people were watching and she said, do me a favor, not i need to you to do us a favor but let's remind, july 24 was the day of the moeller hearing.

that was everything, they put everything into it and it was a flop. it didn't say anything improved what we are ready new. we could read the report, we didn't need a live version. that call happen the next day. the president has been nothing but investigated and harassed his entire presidency and said this because we know from previous investigations that i've been a part of we know 18 days later the whistleblower finally comes forward this was the bombshell that we had no whistleblower and they said let's testify and then all of a sudden they make mistakes. adam schiff also in became a fact witnesses. we should have had it because his staff and him know who the whistleblower is, they did

everything to not let anybody know what's going on, there holding the transcript and from the inspector general right now which is against the rules of the house but when we talk about this they look for every savior in the world to save their case that this president has. every time they come up with it, because he's not done anything wrong, he continues to put his head down and this is just another example of them desperately trying to save the case. and it's the most tragic damage that's ever been done to the house. >> this issue is crucial in court. this operative come of this joe biden who had close ties under obama, and you met with at least one of them, we got

to the bottom of that and then the american people would see the coup, they would see how this was organized and who adam schiff is and what his staff is doing, how phony his complaint was, i don't want any witnesses because the house had it shot and i think the senate needs to shut this down and get these five republicans on the record because in my own view, if you support the constitution and the senate you've gotta control the house of representatives. not some phony trial but if you call witnesses, this witness blower must be a witness. what you think. >> i don't think so. they started this. in conjunction with what we see now adam schiff has been

at war on everything that we've seen so far that has been counteracted. this is the problematic place were at my country. chairman nadler ran for his job, we new in 2017 none of this was on the plate. so yes, you got to have fact witnesses. why would we not want to have fact witnesses. why would nadler let them become a rubber stamp, which he predicted 20 years ago when he said in the clinton investigation we should never taken outside sources word and just validate it because otherwise we become a rubber stamp. that's roughly what he said. i mentioned it many times in the hearing yet he never responded to me. that's the reason were in the situation were in right now. mark: we'll be right back.

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mark: congressman collins, it's very interesting, the end seem to justify the memes when i listen to the narrative. on one hand we hear it's political and anything goes and you sought throughout the house. then it moves to the senate and it's just an impartial process where justice must be done. they need to call the witnesses, that he insists that we did not call, they cannot call hunter biden or the whistle lower because we did not call them and we don't want them called, we must accept evidence that we've sat on for five or six days from an indicted potential felon, the political, impartial process, what is this process. >> is a combination and it always is. we talked about this, it's funny that they question the impartiality but they don't question those running for

president. >> the democrats running for president who trash the president and are now going to sit as jurors, you're saying the democrats, why are they sitting. >> let's call hypocrisy what it actually is because there's not a democratic member of the senate that's not spoken against this president but to go back to you your question, everything that we do in the house is political and by inherent nature will be. what pains our particle passion, whether democrat or republican, it's the fact that we come together 435 members of the house and a hundred members of the senate we run our committees and our house procedures based on rules. everybody understands rules, but when you get to the unjustifiable means set up, when i have a chairman who shuts numbers down from actually making a memory and says you have to get bills to the floor, they have a

timeline and we can't do our amendments, when you have hearings that are set up her adam schiff says witnesses can't answer republican question, when you have it set up to where they control the evidence and the process and a speaker who says something she shouldn't say, i call her on it, the chair agreed but yet she had her members come down and overturn the punishment. when you get to the point where you're more concerned about the end result than you are the rule, this is the part that if i sit back and if you and i were to have this conversation and say what's the most concerning part, the president's going to be cleared. i'm not worried about that. he's done nothing wrong. what i am concerned about is what state have you left the house in part to do stuff for the american people, what have you done. but now there's this token barrier and no ability to believe that there's any fairness in the process. american people need to

understand when they make fun of me talking about process, they're making from the very institution and that is a sad day that just break my heart to say i'm an institutionalist, the founders had it right and will flee trash it to political expediency, there were in deep trouble. >> i'm concerned about holding the trial in an unconstitutional process. i want to ask you the question, jerry nadler, he's the chairman of the committee, you're the ranking member, what's your relationship with him? >> when were in the committee, probably not as good. i've known him before he became chairman and we work together on some issues, but what is concerned me the most is when it gets to the hearing, they brought in staff, consultants on the outside that were only one thing and that's get this president. and, what concerned me was we

saw act out so personally he and i, people see this all year, i've gotten the better of that a lot of times because when you're in the right it's a lot easier to fight off the camera and everything else, an older gentleman who served congress for a long time. we talked and shared family concerns and things, but that relationship has been strained. >> so it's changed a little. >> it has. >> to have any relationship with nancy pelosi customer to ever talk to her? >> no. >> isn't it amazing that the speaker of the house, what would you say to her? >> good question because we shared pleasantries but we don't know each other because there hasn't been an opening to do so, even though we've worked on, i worked on bills with very partisan democrats. jeffries is a friend of mine and i understand he's from the

very liberal world and i'm from a very conservative district in the state of florida, but we've got stuff done. what's missing right now, and it's really gotten strange is because of this continual destruction of process and destruction of rules, and makes the american media, it's the american people who are missing out. i think there's such a problem with this president because he genuinely cares about people and i think that's what's missing. for those who have gotten to know him, he asked questions, he has a very boisterous personality. he's big in life because he tries to do big things. the question is why can't we come alongside and find ways to work with that but instead they only understand one thing. the president is what they want and i believe this speaker is willing to put the house on the line to get it. mark: don't forget folks, most week nights you can join me on levintv. call us at 844 levintv or go to blaze tv.com/mark and we'll

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congressman collins, we keep talking about further impeachments which is really

appalling. they hold the house and take the senate and donald trump wins the presidency. what are they going to do? >> i think that's why that every person out there and especially those of us who believe what the presidents done and what we've seen happen over the past three years and we see what's going into an election, if you gave the democrats a power in the house, and we've seen this, just complete application of government and rule in a self-determined position to get up the president, if you get that same power in the house chuck schumer then they would run this thing through and they control the house and the senate and you would be removing the president for absolutely having policy differences. i remember when they have the witnesses and they give their pedigree for being in the state department. i don't care about your pedigree.

when the colonel, when pushed, he says i disagree with policy. this is what you would find for the american people need to realize in this environment that were in with this partisanship this could be a real concern because everything we've done, everything that's going wellin our country, especially our economy in a foreign affairs and jobs would be in real jeopardy because they have one desire to get rid of this president. mark: you know it's amazing to me, last week or so the president of the united states takes out the number one terrorist on the planet and he's attacked by the democrats and the media. shortly after that he took out the head of isis. he's taking on china economically and militarily through his trade deals and other activities like china has never been taken on for. he's trying a completely different way of dealing with

north korea. past administrations gave them what they wanted, this man says let me talk to the sky and he called him a. [inaudible] russia collusion, who do you think the russians are rooting for. bernie sanders or joe biden, who would surrender these people overnight. he's trying to uphold immigration law he's trying to uphold immigration law and secure the border to protect the american people and keep opioids out of here. your point, this is why they're trying to get rid of him. they can't beat him on the issues, isn't that correct. >> i believe it truly is. you mentioned immigration, what i'm talking about, if the democrats have the desire then reform the immigration system.

we don't need to be going around in circles in this. we have a situation in the problem, our national security is at risk and also our economy. he's doing those things. the overseas issues, if someone has served in iraq and saw what soleimani did an actually watched men and women lose body parts because of what they did, where are is the same jubilation when obama took out bin laden. all this discussion nobly was talking about it there, they just don't like it because this man is successful in doing what he said he would do and they can't be. mark: owner thank you. you were a chaplain, thank you. we'll be right back

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i'm always very optimistic. i see a future that's bright because the american people have the greatest gift in life and liberty. we take a beating and political hardship does arise, but i also see what's happening from a conservative standpoint nicely with the presidents trying to do. i believe we go out and share with the american people what they're empowered to do, when they see their ability to get up and go to work and take care of their family, they're not concerned about washington, they're concerned about their kids getting to school and a good education and jobs. when we share with the world and have a strong vision of peace and strength we do the things we need to do and empower people, that's something to get excited about. i want to see our side make the case and say we believe in you. let's have criminal justice reform and raise the bar for everybody. i think the best days are always ahead. mark: always ahead, always challenges.

we have some real challenges today. it's been a great honor. it's good to talk to you. thank you. don't forget to join us next time on life, liberty and levin. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ breaking tonight, president trump brushes -- brushes off impeachment and others accused him of a cover-up and claims he's guilty. here's the president in austin texas. >> we are achieving what no administration has ever achieved before and what do i get out of it? tell me. i get impeached, that's what i get out of it. by these radical left lunatics i get impeached, but that's okay, the farmers are sticking with trump. [applause] judging by that reaction the fa