♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." without breaking news this hour from richmond, virginia. nothing especially dramatic happened there today. nothing is on fire. nobody died. a group of americans rallied to defend their constitutional right and did not start a war in the process. the national media are reeling in confusion. once again, it turns out, they know next to nothing about the country. in last fall's elections, as you may remember, virginia turned from red to blue. democrats newly ascended, responded to the demands of donors in new york and l.a. and

immediately set about trying to undo hundreds of years on gun laws. they effectively nullified the second amendment in virginia. this morning, thousands of virginia's marched peacefully to protect this as an attack on their rights. under some circumstances, a demonstration to protect the constitution would be considered virtuous. civil disabilit disobedience, ts is what democracy is supposed to look like. the left suggested that they were some form of terrorism. richmond braces for white supremacist militia at gun rally. according to a website called rawstory, .

obedientlwatch this. >> state of emergency. richmond, virginia, on high alert this morning, bracing for violence as thousands to send for a gun rights rally. >> of gun rights rally that local authorities fear could turn violent. >> fears it will attract white supremacy and turn violent. what officials are doing to avoid another charlottesville. >> tucker: state of emergency. white supremacists. keep in mind that the protesters were protesting a governor who has admitted to wearing a racist costume. for their trouble, they were denounced as bigots. nbc news reporter, ben collins described it as "a white nationalist rally." they could play into "neo-nazi hands. that's what you get for protesting.

you are a "neo-nazi." >> right now, thousands of gun rights activists, white nationalist, militia groups, all swarming the virginia state capitol in richmond. >> this is the last thing we need in an era where we are seeing hate crimes on the increase and where we see, even though it's pro-gun activists, these outside militia groups and neo-nazis coming in. >> coming up, virginia residents praying that today's rally at the state capital, is not a repeat of the horrible 2017 charlottesville disaster, the rally that ended a young woman's death. activists take to the street to dominic today again. >> tucker: just another day in america. they are very concerned about it. let's be honest, do you really

think nbc feared violence in richmond? or is it possible that some in the media look forward to the prospect of it? what better than a violent protest to justify gun conversation? some of the press already have tomorrow's press columns are prewritten. perfect. that's how dishonest they are. thankfully, nothing happened. thousands of law-abiding gun owners did what they usually do. they abided by the law. it was reduced to mentioning that thousands of attendees were cheering "fiery speeches." honestly, who is really surprised that it all turned out fine? every year, the march for life brings hundreds of thousands of highly impassioned activists to washington. but when was the last time one of them torched a starbucks? let's see. never. why were they so sure that richmond would ascend into violence?

its projection. with a left accuses you of doing, they are in fact enthusiastically doing themselves. how many times have conservatives rioted? again, zero times. and yet, violence and intimidation are common when anyone to the right of joe biden try to speak up. meanwhile, left-wing protests, ricroutinely turned into riots. portland police came under attack and had to respond with flash grenades. the headline, "protests remain mostly peaceful." in 2015, nbc news ran this. "shots fired after michael brown anniversary." here's hoping your next office christmas party isn't "mostly peaceful." it's pretty dishonest. but it's also predictable.

it never changes. the left, always and everywhere has a goal of increasing its own power while taking power away from you. it was designed to lay the groundwork restricting you of your constitutional rights. a disarmed population is a helpless and dependent population. that's why the founders wrote the second amendment in the first place. they left no confusion about that and the left knows it. that's why they oppose the second amendment. it's not about public safety. please. these are the same people opening our borders and emptying our prisons. they don't care about public safety. it's about power and it's only about power. remember that. he was actually in richmond today peered he saw what happened and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. you've covered a lot of antifa protests. how would you compare today to what you saw to that? >> this event was advertised as

supposedly white supremacist, rally. me, as being of mexican heritage, i have zero issue with anybody coming up to me saying, "what are you doing here?" i was called a race traitor. i was called a lot of things that i can't repeat on air. for simply doing my job. i was just reporting on what was happening. i've had physical threats, verbal insults. >> tucker: so no one was injured today, we know. what did they torch any stores? did they loot a cbs, for example? >> no. there was a nice orderly line. >> tucker: really? the gun owners didn't loot cvs? >> no. they had the ability to if they wanted to, but these are law-abiding citizens. >> tucker: it sounds like it was entirely peaceful. >> absolutely. there are all these people saying that they are white supremacist and there wouldn't be any minorities there.

the only minorities there were the racists. for every confederate flag that i saw, there were dozens of american flags. there were hundreds of minorities there. >> tucker: so it sounds like they were lying to us about what this was peered >> it was all hype. as you said earlier in the show, you could definitely see, and i could see time and time again. this is why we can't have ar-15s. no one was shot. >> tucker: do you think of the networks tomorrow morning will concede that they basically made it up? >> no. >> tucker: they won't admit that it was wrong? >> i have covered the media for quite some time since i started working on journalism. that was the first event that i covered. it's quite frankly insulting, because i was pepper sprayed three times. it was absolute chaos. it was absolute anarchy, mostly

because the police didn't do that great of a job. it was not at all comparable. the fact that the media kept saying in charlottesville. , is really insulting. >> tucker: when was the last time you are aware of that right wing protesters set fire to anything? >> none that i can think of. the only thing that i can really .2 is having their rallies in portland they are out there being provocative. in terms of regular gunowners cut like we saw today. >> tucker: i appreciate your first-hand account. great to see you. well, governor blackface's

gun-control measures will make those a lot more like -- here's an interesting step for those of you who can trap. in virginia, right now, the murder rate is 5.4, 400,000. in maryland, it's nearly twice that. you do the math. we are happy to see him. thanks so much for coming on. quick to the politics of it. here, you have a governor caught wearing blackface. he hasn't told us which. he immediately shifts into gun grabbing mode. you've got to kind of wonder, maybe this is a diversion or am i cynical? >> no, you are not cynical at all. it actually happens pretty consistently. and a time, when it comes to these politicians who are anti-gone, when it comes to talking about issues they are not doing that well on or things they don't want to address, they always pivot to gun control, because they see it as one of the easiest things to talk about. they like to frame guys. all of these crazy gun owners

out here. we've got to get the guns off the street. the irony is when they talk about gun control, what do you think they are going to implement these laws the most? they are going to implement them in minority see cities. the people most affected by these gun control laws are the very people they are trying to manipulate to not exercise their rights. >> tucker: huh, that's interesting. can you think of another case where that would be described as terrorism? why aren't these people being seen as heroes for defending the bill of rights? >> you would think that would be the case. i've been doing this for almost 15 years now. you would think that it would be celebrated, but for some reason, out of all the constitutional rights that we have come of most

important one is the one that is the most vilified in this country. it's baffling to me. >> tucker: it is baffling, especially because this law seems aimed at rural gunowners. so, there's not actually a threat to be stopped. it almost seems like these laws are a provocation. in fact, they are a provocation aimed at people who don't vote democrat. >> no, absolutely. i guarantee you, they would have considered it a home run if at this rally today, that some sort of violence broke out. i guarantee you. >> tucker: so what should we think of that? if our leaders in the statehouse in virginia, on television in new york, l.a., washington, if they are in effect pushing violent confrontation on the country, what should we conclude from that? >> well, we can conclude that these gun-control laws have nothing to do with actual safety. it has nothing to do with saving lives. it is about accumulation of power and control. that's all this is about.

it's always been that way. >> tucker: so, we did a couple years ago, a segment. it's actually quite powerful in virginia. that's not an opinion. we were announced as bigots for pointing out that there was a gang that killed salvadoran immigrants in virginia. when you be upset about ms-13? >> yeah, you absolutely would if that was the case that you were actually worried about saving lives. >> tucker: [laughs] >> the whole point is to create an environment of chaos so that we are forced to depend on them completely for our safety. when you are a firearm owner -- >> tucker: finish that sentence peered >> when you own a firearm, when you are a citizen that owns a firearm, yoe depend on the government for your own safety. you have now empowered yourself. if i'm part of a party or in the government that wants to accumulate more power, i have to somehow find a way to take away that power from you so that you are forced to depend on me more,

because if i don't, then i lose power. >> tucker: yet, kind of like if you take a man out of the home, he will become more dependent on government. it kind of works that way. great to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me again. >> tucker: 12 months from today, will donald trump be re-inaugurated or not? the answer has everything to do on who has got a better plan for the country. we will find out what that plan is after the break. ♪ when you move homes, you move more than just yourself.

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>> tucker: a year from today, we will be hosting the show from the national mall when the next president of the united states takes the oath of office. republicans in washington feel confident that it will be. the official economic numbers are strong. the democratic primaries are a freak show. republicans are starting to think that victory is assured. that's a mistake. america remains as divided as it was three years ago. no matter what happens, nobody is going to win this election and a national landslide. those don't happen anymore. trump could lose. will he lose? that depends entirely on what he runs on. in 2016, donald trump defeated more than a dozen republicans. virtually everything trump said reinforced that message. the people who run this country are clueless. they have no idea what they are doing. they don't care about you.

they crushed the middle-class. they have screwed up our foreign policy. they left the door open on our southern border. their children, playing at leadership and they've gotten rich doing it. the result is a catastrophe. he summed up that message in a simple phrase. "make america great again." the good news is, we can fix it. now, the people in charge hated to hear that, of course. but voters responded. they knew it was true. by the way, it's still true today. things are a lot better in a lot of ways, but they are not fixed. consider the state of the economy. the big numbers, unemployment and inflation, to name two. it's a good story. but dig a little deeper. it provides a glimpse of what is actually happening in a lot of parts of the country. in that survey, 56% of americans said the economy was excellent or good. and that's good news. but then there was this. only 31% said the economy was helping them and their families.

just 32% thought the economy was helping the middle class. 58% thought the opposite. among lower income republicans, 47% said economic conditions were hurting them. just 30% said they were helping. keep in mind, these aren't sociology professors from the faculty lounge. this is the president's core, it's his base. why do they feel that way? it's not personal. it's just really simple. for a lot of middle-class people, wages are not keeping up with expenses. child care, housing, education, health care. they are all getting more expensive by the year. student loans are burdening young people so much that they can't start families. they require a political solution. the candidate who makes it easier for a 30-year-old to get married and have kids will win the election. remember that. improve people's lives and they will vote for you period. republicans ought to right that

on their hands. otherwise, the temptation will be to focus on the lunacy of the left right now. emma kratz have gone crazy and it's definitely worth pointing that out repeatedly. but it's not enough to win. winning candidates come with their own program. they convince candidates they will make things better. bernie sanders may get the democratic nomination. if he does, every one will remind you that socialism does not work and never has worked. and they will be right, obviously. but if sanders pledges to forgive student loans, he was still win many thousands of voters who voted for donald trump. why? because debt is crushing in an entire generation of americans. republicans need to make a plan to make it better or they will be left behind. one more piece of advice, don't ignore the social issues. the republican establishment despises this conversation. if it's not about taxes, they don't want to talk about it. but normal people know that the

social fabric is falling apart. don't be embarrassed about it. democrats are waging the most aggressive possible campaign against everything normal people think is virtuous. they are promising to undo our justice system, empty our prisons. they are openly inviting chaos. they want to give the vote to convicted felons, even murderers. they have said that. they think so little of this country that they are pledging to open our borders to the world. every impoverished nation welcome here for free health care. they are opposed to free speech. they want americans sorted into creepy little categories by their dna, judged by the basis of their sex and skin color. they don't deny the existence of biological. democrats aren't promising change.

they are promising revolution. centuries of revolution abolished. and natur nation starting over m scratch. most people are not for that. they may be anxious about the future, but they don't hate america. they don't want to topple george george washington. they love their families above all. they distrust radical theories because they know and they are right that when the world turns upside down, ordinary people get hurt. they don't want to burn it down. they just want things to get better. the candidate who promises to make them better incrementally but tangibly will be inaugurated president. while, "the new york times" delivered its endorsement last night. we will be right back. ♪

>> tucker: well, i not many americans still let newspapers tell them what to think. it's aimed at three zip codes in manhattan. it still feels obligated to weigh in with an endorsement of the democrat primary. like anyone cares. "the times" can it do it. the paper endorsed two candidates.

>> we are putting our support behind not one, but two candidates. elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar, each of whom articulates a different path forward. senator warren is a gifted storyteller and a brilliant architect of regulation. senator klobuchar has a lengthy resume in the senate and bipartisan credentials that make her a valuable dealmaker. voters should consider them the party's strongest candidates. ♪ made the best woman win. >> tucker: [laughs] the voice-over. the dramatic music. to clean of piano keys. who cares. "the new york times" actually describe senator warren as a gifted storyteller. unbelievable. thso catty.

i cannot believe. i mean, how underhanded is this for them to describe elizabeth warren a gifted storyteller? do you think she understands it was an attack? >> while, the fact is, if you read that endorsement, there weren't any negative things said about elizabeth warren. they can't decide what they think. that's not such a bad thing at this stage in the game. i will say, it could have been a lot worse for joe biden had to actually come down firmly for one or the other. that probably would have not been a good day for biden. she said i love you. this is on his way up to get the interview with "the new york times." >> tucker: was she an employee? >> the fact of the matter is we know that endorsements don't matter all that much in this day and age if you are running against elites, that's probably

not something you want to have. >> tucker: they didn't overproduce some video. have you fallen for it? are you now klouchar? >> i'm all about electability. beating trump in states that trump won. wisconsin, michigan, even florida, and not losing too trump in any state that hillary won. >> tucker: yeah, and there's a reason for that. african-american voter support, because they are the most moderate group in the democratic party. >> you know it, i know it, a lot

of people don't know it. >> tucker: let me ask you about bernie. the whole democratic establishment hates bernie. however, you've got to kind of wonder if cnn and "the new york times" or up to kill bernie. does that make him stronger? >> yeah, first of all, he lost by millions of votes. that is nauseating. >> tucker: did you see the cnn debate? what they are doing to bernie. it made me sympathetic for him. >> he lost by millions and millions of votes. look at the iowa poll that came out today. it had biden ahead at 24. who knows what's going to happen at iowa. all i'm saying is that he recovered from his heart attack. i'm not so sure that's holding up. >> tucker: we wish him well.

[laughs] really, only jeff zucker could make bernie sanders appealing. you don't think that happened? >> i don't know if that was by design. i really don't. i don't think he's trying to appeal to cnn voters. look, he wants a house in the senate, i'm guessing, to be controlled by democrats. having bernie sanders on the ticket is the single thing that could keep that from happening. >> tucker: i just think it's going to backfire, but who knows. great to see you tonight. the senate will have the first hearings on president trump's impeachment hearings. how many witnesses will be called? most importantly, will they testify? great to see you tonight, congressman. what do we know about this since you are right in the middle of it?

>> we learned from mitch mcconnell's resolution that he really intends to dismiss as fast as possible. you know, the senate potentially taking a vote on such a motion is like lightning speed for the senate. this is the same biden that prides itself on institutional lethargy. the fact that in a matter of days or weeks, i think it's indicative of progress. we expect it will go six days a week. it's my hope that we will push through that and get through this national nightmare as fast as possible. >> tucker: are we going to see hunter biden or any of the other biden's? >> my concern is that if we have a witness exchange program, there is no way we are going to get the witnesses we really want or that the democrats will get

the witnesses they really want. that's actually what's happening here. yet, that establishment in the republican and democratic party, working against the -- >> tucker: that was my question. >> romney working against donald trump. then, you have democrats working against bernie sanders. keep bernie locked up in the united states senate during his impeachment trial. that's just how washington works, trying to keep the populists at bay on the other side of the political spectrum. >> tucker: that is fascinating. i just want to tell mike to restate this. they are trying to keep him in the cage so that he won't do well in iowa? >> he's got momentum in iowa. it's not ridiculous to say that the democratic party would try to deny him the nomination. they literally just did this years ago. i think this is an effort of the establishment of both parties to keep the charade of impeachment

going on as long as possible, because it is empowering to the establishment to have all this focus on the senate rather than have bernie campaigning in iowa, running on a phenomenal economic record. a better trade posture with china, america, all the things he promised to deliver for the american people. >> tucker: they are short-term gains, but long-term, i mean, they are kind of allowing their own institution to rot, aren't they? that doesn't empower any of our institutions, does it? >> well, it's very illuminating to look at with articles actually say. when you talk about abuse of power, obstruction of congress, these are purposefully more fist terms, so you can see a new tool of impeachment. unfortunately, this is the new normal that the radical left has brought us to, but it's not about any constitutional crisis.

it's about their thirst and blood lust for power. >> tucker: it always is. bad table manners. congressman, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: american politics is getting more divisive. why is that happening? why are the things you keep voting for never happening? plus, meghan markle's father is attacking her. we are covering the story. can't help it. more of this ahead. ♪ let me tell you something,

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majority of the country is in favor of it, but it doesn't happen. how is this happening? is our democracy real? the smartest book i have read, literally in years, is coming out today. it's called "the age of entitlement." it explains exactly what is going on. he joins us on the set. it's great to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: people are starting to think that democracy is not real, because ideas that have the majority of support are ignored. >> it's complicated. it's no an unintended consequene of the civil rights laws of the 1960s, which did away with segregation. it's a big problem. it's our unique, it's our great problem in our history. >> tucker: the original sin of america, yeah. >> it defied solutions. how did we break it in the 1960s? we did it by giving washington

powers that had never had before in peace times. it could overturn court verdicts. it could invalidate election laws. it could sue companies. it could break institutions. it was a really, really ruthless set of tools. and at the end, it worked. >> tucker: it did work. most people would say that's a good thing. we ended it and good for us. >> absolutely, okay. here's the problem. when legal segregation ended, these very powerful tools used to overturn it did not. in fact, they intensified. you've got things that were not even in the original civil rights bills, like affirmative action, as we understand it now. buffing of schoolchildren. that spread. you had buffing in louisville

and boston. so, suddenly, this was nationwide. but here's the key thing. here's where democracy comes in. it spread even away from segregation and even away from race. in the 60s and 70s, you had all sorts of people. you had women lunging to be admitted to men's clubs. you had hispanics who wanted to cast their ballots in spanish. when they brought forward these claims, they did not say that they were often too impatient to wait for a vote. they said, no, my rights are being abused. it's kind of like what was happening to the people in the south. i don't want to wait for a vote. i want immediate action. i want that system you used to break segregation in the south. you had a new system that

gradually took over larger and larger parts of american life. it was like a second constitution that could be used to override what you will call the democratic -- >> tucker: the ends are good. like, this is good. we like the outcome. but what you are saying is the process put i in place to achiee that outcome, makes democracy impossible. everything is achieved this way. >> more and more gets achieved this way. as the years went on, you can sort of see this transformation. in the 1980s, you had an obvious, you had the immigration reform and control act, which was supposed to be a grand compromise that would regulate a big crisis in the country. on the one hand, you had amnesty for several million migrants. but on the other hand, you had severe penalties for people who hired illegal migration. it was supposed to solve the

problem. the problem was that asking migrants whether they were legal or whether they were born in mexico turned out to violate their civil rights, so you couldn't do it. it was actually more dangerous for employers to enforce this law then it was to disobey it. >> tucker: so, we passed a law that can it be enforced? >> half of it could be enforced. the amnesty could be enforced. but the anti-immigration part could not be enforced. and that's why people are so suspicious of immigration bills in general. >> tucker: so, what effect does this have on the country, if you believe that the country is calm, stable, and prosperous, if people start to suspect that they don't have any control over their lives, someone they didn't vote for is going to decide for them, what effect does it have on society? >> it seemed to have a different effect on two habs of society. i think it expends a lot of our

polarization. if you are a beneficiary of this new expansion of rights, let's say you are a gay couple who cannot get married. this is wonderful. if you are progressive, in general, this is wonderful. the fact that it's not democratically arrived at may not matter so much. but if you are not a beneficiary of this or if you are conservativconservatively inclit looks less good. >> tucker: so, there's literally no nothing you can do about it. >> but there's another thing that is activating anger too. that is, in order to use this right based system, rather than the voting based system, you need to convince the government that there's some historic

emergency going on, some terrible abuse that someone is behaving wickedly in the same way that the southern segregationists were. increasingly, that role of official wicked person gets played by people who defend ordinary american institutions. >> tucker: right, so you have permanent bureaucracy war with its own people, with the public. this is a really smart book and i would recommend it to all of our viewers. chris, thank you so much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the royal family is melting down. prince harry, taking responsibility. we are covering the royals because it's actually kind of interesting. more after the break. ♪ sooner. when you're not able to smile, you become closed off. having to live with bad teeth for so long was extremely depressing. now, i know how happy i am. there was all the feeling good about myself that i missed and all of the feeling bad about myself that was unnecessary. at aspen dental, we're all about yes.

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♪ >> tucker: if you can control the words someone is allowed to use, you can control the thoughts people are allowed to have. here's an even better example. in california now, by law, there are no longer any at risk young people. they have solved it. why? because the label "at risk" young people is offensive. at risk has been abolished. instead, they are now called "at promise." what does that even mean, you

ask? really, how does swapping out a phrase everyone understands for a phrase that nobody can even make out make anything better? of course, it doesn't by definition. in california, you shouldn't be surprised. leaders their ban ban straws, because symbolic gestures are the only ones they are able to make anymore. they did at least provide a dignified backdrop to a country. now, it may not give them that. prince harry and meghan markle have decided to step away from the royal family. many are mad about this. including meghan markle's own father. >> this is one of the greatest long living institutions ever. they are destroying it. they are turning it into a

walmart with the crown on it n now. it's something that's ridiculous. they shouldn't be doing this. >> tucker: i cornet make out what he was saying. meghan markle has received a lot of the blame. last night, and his first public statement since the split was announced, harry, like a good husband, took responsibility for the decision. watch. >> the decision that i have made for my wife and i to step back is not one i made lightly. it was so many months of talks and so many years of challenges. i know i haven't always got it right, but as far as this goes, there really was no other opti option. what i want to make clear is, we are not walking away and we certainly aren't walking away from you. >> tucker: [laughs] yeah, i made the decision. i'm in charge. he's an editor at the dailymail.com.

so, my operating thesis is most of what public figures say is the opposite. i'm in charge here. i'm not taking orders for my wife. we are not walking away. are those true? >> well, they are walking away. that is the opinion that everyone has. they are leaving. they are literally walking away and leaving the u.k. for canada. that statement is not true. secondly, for him to say, i made this decision, it was all me, no one is going to believe that, because at the end of the day, he is also saying that he's doing it for meghan and his son, archie. she must have had at least a small role to play in this whole thing. >> tucker: one of the chances that she not only made every single decision in their life together since they've been together? >> you know, i am a great believer in people taking responsibility for their own actions, and i think some of it has to follow his feet. i really do. however, the argument can be made that had he not met her, he wouldn't have bee made the decin

to move to canada. she must have had a little part to play in that decision-making process. >> tucker: when you intentionally choose a life of unhappiness and degradation, that's masochism, right? >> yes, i think you could describe it as that. >> tucker: you would have to be one sick puppy to choose something like that, right? >> absolutely. i think a lot of people would argue that the life harry is walking away from is not one we could describe in those terms. at least that's my opinion. >> tucker: i think the one he's choosing, we could describe in those terms. so, what about, this is a subjective question of course. what about her father's allegations that they are doing this for the money? >> they haven't had a very easy relationship at all. they certainly stand to make a lot more money out of the royal family than they ever stood to make being members of the royal family. that must have been appealing. they've already got deals set

up. she's already got a deal with disney. that video we saw perry pitching his wife to bob, i think that sent cringe each chills. it was embarrassing to watch. i think it assumes that people find them intriguing. i don't think anyone would argue any differently, because at the end of the day, this is a bombshell. you said it yourself. it's actually interesting. people are desperate to know where they are going to know. actually, the majority of the public would find it a lot more fascinating if they keep to themselves and did go down that road that he is suggesting. >> tucker: such a smart point. it just shows that you cover the stuff and i don't. no, i'm serious. if people don't like them, they can't make any money. >> i'm happy to chat with you anytime. >> tucker: that's why we are doing this story. [laughter] >> thanks. >> tucker: we are done, unfortunately.

we could go on forever. we will be back tomorrow night. the show that is the sworn enemy of lien, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. ♪ >> sean: al are right, welcome o "hannity." busy news week. you are going to want to see tonight our exclusive investigative report of what is being called by peter the biden five. apparently, the zero experience stuff with hunter is just the tip of the iceberg. wait until you hear this exclusive report. also tonight, the democrats, they are heinous, they are unconstitutional and outright frankly dangerous impeachment fantasy is getting ripped to shreds. now, president trump's legal team calling it dangerous for version of the constitution.