american people because we don't think about them. the elitists in the swamp in and the sewer. anything can happen. quid pro quo joe helping too, but not your heart be troubled. here is laura, hi. >> laura: we haven't been able to do the handoff in recent days. >> sean: fox news alert, boom. >> laura: i don't know. it is a little mysterious. but i don't know. >> sean: she doesn't want to talk, she wants a fox news alert. >> laura: there's always a fox news alert, awesome show tonight, and l credible.ou >> sean: do you know what you did great last night? i was very interested in bolton, chief of staff -- if you can explain john bolton, i don't recognize what i'm seeing. >> laura: we have some developments on that tonight. i'm laura ingraham, this is "ingraham angle" from another while looking washington tonight.

the president's impeachment defense rested and went out with a bang. a member of that team robert ray is here he's going to tell us what to expect next. adam schiff threw a temper tantrum following the proceeding, our legal eagles plus congressman lee zeldin and steve scalise are here to react. as the conversation moves the witnesses we have two lawmakers on the front lines of that debate. senators marsha blackburn and james lankford are both here, plus "the ingraham angle" brings you another investigation tonight. we have no information about how the person supposedly behind thw entire trump impeachment effort might have tried to take out the president well before that. but first. the democrats mood shift, that's the focus of tonight's angle. what a difference 24 hours makes. yesterday democrats and their media allies were positively giddy using phrases like

blockbuster revelations, bombshell leak, and impeachment game changer. they were sure that the story about john bolton's new book would be enough to convince four republicans to keep this twisted trial going. today after the trump defense team wrapped up its arguments even yielding back in time to the senate, the mood on the left seems to have shifted. or should i say it adam shifted >> i was more optimistic yesterday morning then i am now. i talked to some of my colleagues last night, a feeling i was getting was they are linking arms and they are going to say no. >> right now the republicans feel good to. the white house feels good. >> the universe of republicans hasn't really expanded to. >> you anticipate they are going to vote against the witnesses? >> predictions are dangerous but it seems unlikely. especially if it is about the

future. >> laura: old boy, the faces want to sad over at cnn, if a picture is worth a thousand words as they say, chuck schumer's face read like a novel. a lot of pain and sufferinge there. on the witnesses question, does he sound like a man whose party is winning? >> one at aa time. [reporter questioning] >> look, i hope that we have just four republicans, all we need is four who rise to the occasion and say we need to find out the truth. >> laura: can we redirect that again? >> one at a time. >> laura: i've been looking for a new ringtone and that is a good one. wait, what about the faces of the house managers after the white house counsel finished his argument? they put in all that time and effort trying to take the

president out of office, where they brimming with optimism? only in the land of fraudulentth impeachment with the lead house manager complain that the other side didn't spend more time arguing their case. o >> i want to begin this afternoon with a few observations about the rather abrupt end tobo the president's case. it's clear i think today that they are still reeling from the revelation of john bolton's book and what he has to say. >> laura: complaining thatat the other side didn't use all their time. and then he grasped another irrelevant straw, something that john kelly said at a speech in florida? >> the president'sec own former chief of staff general kelly has stated that he believes john bolton, the president's own former chief of staff believes john bolton and by implication does not believe the president of the united states. >> laura: i have a question, a did the democrats really think

this was going to work? they were going to be able to invalidate the last electionon d steal the next one by sight ando public statements of former white house staffers?ex and without the defense team turning the tables on the house managers? themselves? >> by these actions you would undo the free election that express the will of the american people, you will damage the faith the american people have in this institution and in the american democracy. >> you will reap the bitter harvest of the unfair partisan seed you sow today. >> there must never be a narrowly voted impeachment, it will produce divisiveness and bitterness and politics for years to come. >> my fear is when a republican wins the white house,nd democras will demand payback. >> laura: even the resistance media had to admit that using

the democrats own words against them, it works. >> i thought it was an effective set of zingers and i bet the republicans really enjoyed listening to it. >> it was awkward because a lot of what these democrats were saying then, specifically included at least two of the house managers, jerry nadler and zoe lofgren, they say the opposite today. >> laura: that's called turning the tables on them. for now the liberal media was left clinging to their new lifeboat and then they merely echoed what schiff said earlier about kelly.y. >> john kelly says he believes john bolton's claim, he thinks bolton is a man of integrity and should be heard from. >> laura: last time i checked, general kelly -- i like him, i think he's a great guy but he's not a senator who gets to vote on witnesses. i think someone needs to send that memo to jerry nadler as well.es

>> who are the witnesses your side will be seeking? >> john bolton, maybe now john kelly. >> have you discussed the idea of calling general kelly with other managers or senators? >> no. >> laura: okay, so john kelly keguy who hasn't been at the white house for over a year, now he's going to save the democrats impeachment crusade? if that doesn't work, they always have the quinnipiac poll. >> that's an intense caucus going on right now, they are all listening to each other. >> what is the chance they've seen the new 75 number from quinnipiac? >> pretty good. to deprive witnesses is utter insanity. from a political perspective, you've only got 51-54% who are behind his immediate removal but 75% for witnesses is political suicide. >> laura: 97% of the g.o.p. as opposed to removing donald trump

from office. so those four moderated g.o.p. senators who arevi wringing ther hands tonight and navel-gazing, the hamlet routine, they should take note. this is how donald trump was received when a record crowd showed up when he took the stage at a rally in new jersey tonight.t. [chanting] who exactly do they think they are appealing to if they turn out to prolong the impeachment farce? the panel is there, chuck todd, jake tapper, et cetera -- they don't have the votes to remove trump. democrats don't have those votes, everyone on television was conceding that today. so what is the point of doing this to the country? as they did during the brett kavanaugh fight, they want

to drag this out in hopes that the next news cycle will bring them some manna from heaven, the damage the president before the first ballots are cast. our reporter tells us they are serving drinks called magaritas and supeonacoladas all over wildwood new jersey. should they prolong this national nightmare, there won't be enough booze in all of new jersey to soothe the political pain coming their way, that will be political suicide and that is the angle. joining me now is sol wisenberg, babar and john eastman's senior constitutional scholar, let's start with you. john bolton, mick mulvaney or any of the other witnesses -- i should add general kelly who is

really relevant to this conversation, do any ofal them change the underlying facts of this case that night after night we have been laying out? >> i think alan dershowitz and jay sekulow today made that point even if the leaked story about what they claim bolton says in his unpublished manuscript is true, that the president withheld the aid a bit in order to try to get investigations of biden, i think pam bondi's testimony yesterday really manifested and clearly showed why that was a perfectly appropriate thing to do. there is massive evidence of corruption that we ought to be looking at in this country. even if the leak it says bolton says he said is true, it shouldn't alter the outcome here because it's not anf impeachable offense. >> laura: wait a second, what does john kelly think about this?: i'm stuck on that.

>> even if kelly -- it kelly was at a cafe, overheard someone else say -- oh, no. here is how house managers zoe lofgren reconciled her- about-face on impeachment. >> future presidents will face elections, than litigation, than impeachment. >> i look so young. >> that was 21 years ago. >> that was exciting, the ravages of time. republicans again took the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors," struck out the word high and replaced it with any and that was the problem that i was trying to address at that time. there was no high crime and misdemeanor. >> laura: you handled the clinton impeachment, is she right? it's different now. whatremember her then and she's saying now is the exact opposite. you've got to look at this with a sense of humor, it is funny to see these democrats twist themselves around in circles

tryingse to explain why what thy said then is not really what they meant now. the only dangerous one in all of this, it isn't schiff or hakeem jeffries, it's chuck schumer. he's a crafty, mean-spirited street fighter and he knows if he can peel off some of these squishy republicans which he may very well do, he can keep this charade going for a longer and longer which is what they want. if there is no end again, it is simply to go after trump and leslie. -- endlessly. >> laura: and then we will bring in something rex tillerson said last month when he was in texas -- you get the point. every day they are hoping that someone says something in the stratosphere of the former trump staffers that they can advance their argument with and this is what was said on cnn today about the recognition that there is no

way they are ever going to have 67 senators to vote to remove this president, watch. >> i don't think there is any chance regardless of what john bolton said that there will be 67 votes. i don't think that is the standard, i think the standard is are you going to have a trial or not? are you going to have a trial where the facts are in dispute and addressed? >> laura: is that the standard, whether you're going to have the trial or not? >> it was never about removing him, they knew they were never going to be able to remove them, it's about damaging him in the upcoming election and do so the longer you can have a trial, the more witnesses you can get, the better your opportunities are. i personally as a citizen in this country, i demand to hear from general kelly and i want to know what he has to say about the third amendment. >> laura: john eastman, it's

not funny because what is being done to our constitution, our entire representative democracy if this thing is allowed to keep going. it's a enormously toxic for the republic, i'm trying toke create some moments of levity because otherwise i'll get -- i'm enraged about this. when i went to the senate chamber i was enraged, the first time i was enraged and fell asleep, the second time i force myself to sit through it but i heard both sides.e and i was still enraged. >> you ought to be. they have turned this into the very thing the founders feared. if you admit in these nebulous charges, it's comparable to what they rejected at the convention, maladministration and you turn impeachment into a perpetual political weapon and that destroys the possibility of any collaborative effort toward the common good. i want to ask zoe lofgren if she thinks the republicans back in

1998 got rid of the word "high crimes and misdemeanors," they got rid of the word crimes. they don't even think you need a crime as long as you can put enough stuff out there, we don't like what he was doing. that's enough for on impeachment, we cannot have that as a standard or the president will no longer be an independent constitutional officer, he will simply be answerable to whatever the latest majority is in congress. >> laura: the whims of congress, if they dislike a policy or severalat policies, jt move to impeach him on some so-called whistle-blower's account and be done with it. gloria borchert today is an esteemed constitutional scholar and she made a point about pat cipollone's closing argument. your reaction after we play it. >> we are close to an election, why would you want to do an election? does that mean that the

constitution is to be interpreted that you can't impeach a president in an election year? there's nothing in the constitution -- he's making the point to theg american public. >> laura: i think he was making the point to the senate but the american public deserves the right to vote but that she have any merit to her point? >> she has about as much merit to her point as zoe lofgren did to hers, absolutely not. what we had in the clinton impeachment and the trial 21 years ago was a president who had already been reelected, it was not about an election back then, it was about high crimes and misdemeanors, proving crimes that the president had committed. this case what they are trying to do is two fold. one, simply on the off chance they can defeat trump because i don't think they believe they can which is why schiff was saying "if we don't remove him now, you can't trust the election." he might as well s have said "we are going to lose this thing come fall." the second thing they are trying to do is try to devalue and

diminish trump's credibility going forward in the same way they did with justice kavanaughe that's what it's about, reducing their credibility even though they know they're going to lose. >> laura: really quickly, i believe it's also about the supreme court. if they get another vacancy before the election, this will be another argument they can make and say we aren't going to let this go forward, there's no way you can because he's an ngimpeached president. i think they are thinking down the road on that as well. >> i think you're right. keep this in mind, there's a difference between conduct that the framers might say "that's within the realm of what could be impeachable" and removing a president. there's a difference, i think it's completely legitimate to say even if we don't like with the president did, we aren't going to remove him from office and it's very relevant that the removal will be ten months

before an election and the framers would've understood that. >> laura: thank you very much, great to see all ofon you tonigt and the president's legal team rested its case today so how did it compare with the democrats closing arguments?'s last week house manager jerry nadler ended things on a decidedly dour note. >> will you permit us to present you with the entire record of the president's misconduct? or will you instead choose to be complicit in the president's cover-up. i see a lot of senators voting for cover-up. voting to deny witnesses, a treacherous vote. >> laura: that's a way to win friends and influence people -- instead of insulting the senate, white house chief counsel pat cipollone ended with this. >> you know what the right answer is in your heart. you know what the right answer is for our country. i have every confidence, every confidence in your wisdom. >> laura: now that the oral arguments are over, what happens

next? robert ray is a member of trump's legal team, he joins us now. i'm so tired of covering this, i get pat cipollone's name pronunciation wrong. how good is that? where do we go from here? >> i think we are in the process of counting votes to see whether or not there will be witnesses and i will imagine for many senators, how the questioning goes and the answers that w are given may have some bearing, it's obviously their judgment to make and we will know the answer probably after a very long day of debate relative to that question. >> laura: there was a lot of jawboning about the fact that pat decided to yield back a lot of his time, cnn and msnbc said we expect him to speak for an hour and a half or two hours.

i thought it waswe quite smart - what else are we going to say, it's so obvious, we are going to give you the luxury of time back which i think a lot of these senators probably really liked. >> i think they appreciated it. we also did what we promised we would do at the outset. the bottom line is you have recognized for some time, we don't have trials and roving fact gatherers to decide everything under the sun, the task at hand is to have a trial to determine whether or not it'd appropriate to remove the president from officet -- perio, end of story. once you've made your argument with regard to that question which is after all the only question to be decided, it's time to sit down and let the senators -- and put your faith and trust in them as pat cipollone said of the end and respect and abide by their wisdom, they are the people selected representatives in this

body and that is what they are elected to do. >> laura: i thought it was refreshing that after nadler basically accuse the senate of being coconspirators with trump and pat cipollone comes along and says why don't we start to work together?y why don't republicans and democrats start working together for the common good, do the things you were sent here to do? that was really inspiring and people who aren't political watch that and are probably saying to themselves that sounds good. >> surebl it does. i will say in connection with your panel, this very question is not in a vacuum. during the andreww johnson impeachment since it was very close to the end of andrew johnson's unexpired term that occurred at the result of the assassination of president lincoln, why would we want to remove the president of office while there's an election coming up and as a result of that ulysses grant was elected

president. don't tell me -- >> laura: we got to get out but i appreciate you coming on tonight. up next, senate democratsou believe they might get john bolton to testify but will they?

♪ >> laura: the other networks are hyping report that mitch mcconnell doesn't have the votes to block the senate from calling impeachment trial witnesses, focus on the wording of that. it's a lot more nuanced. the hill is reporting that republican senators emerged from a caucus meeting tuesday voicing confidence they will win in a boat later this week that would block new witnesses from being called the period of joining me now to tell us more is oklahoma senator james lankford along with tennessee senator marsha blackburn. what is the state of play

tonight? >> we are walking through the process about to do two full days of questions at this point. we've done three days from one side, three days from the other side, full days of questions and then have a boat on friday on -- vote d on friday with witnesses. everyone is trying to guess where we are going to go, i think we will know on friday. everyone is getting their questions answered and that's the key thing at this point. any unanswered questions get resolved and then we will make a determination. >> laura: there was a ge big tak about swap. hatched this plan, it sounds like a hostageas swap. >> i'm not trying to do a witness swap, i float around the issue that we are trusting in a "new york times" story to give us accurate information, it would be the first time republicans trust "the new york times" to give us accurate information but to be able to say from that story they heard from someone who told someone who is trying to bring it out -- just let us read the book. as a manuscript sitting over there, let us read what's in the

book, and solve this, it's not hard. >> laura: senator blackburn, to watch this -- to see mercifully to rest their case, to step back and say we aren't going to torture the american people or the senate, we aren't going to insult you as we saw nadlerre due saying you are treacherous. they couldn't find it treason, high crimes or misdemeanors but they are going to accuse you all and to threaten romney collins, murkowski, and lamar alexander with being traders also. >> i think we have to keep in mind, all of this about witnesses prolong the trial, get it into the last 90 days of the election, keep people here that are running for reelection so that chuck schumer can bee majority leader. that is what this is about. but we also know is in the senate we've been beautiful,

we've made notes, done preparations, we got our questions ready to go and we have paid attention to make certain we do impartial justice and wewe conduct a fair trial. that is what we have done. friday, we'll get around f -- >> laura: sorry to interrupt you but people have to get this witnesses doesn't -- a vote on witnesses doesn't mean there will be witnesses. so people understand this, its arcane rules in the senate but once you take a vote for witnesses and you get four republican senators to say yes, that you have to vote on each individual witness.pu correct? >> every set of documents. when they call adam schiff as the first witness and the second witness is the whistle-blower and the third witnesses hunter biden in the fourth witnesses joe biden, each has to be voted on independently. >> you would do a long series of votes. >> laura: this will be fun, will be here till may. documents.t of >> laura: we are talking april

or may, this isn't going to be done in february, this is going to be april or may. >> the vote on friday is do we need information, that's what it is. it's not about do we need witnesses -- the house already gave us 12 witnesses, the v interview at 17, it's the question do we need additional witnesses or do we have everything we need? >> laura: really surprising story today i know our viewers want to hear this from the "los angeles times" that dianne feinstein was leaning toward acquittal. if she said we are inos a republic, we are based on the will of the people, the people should judge but then it didn't take long for her to walk this back on twitter, how do you walk that back saying and part of the "los angeles times" misunderstood what i said that. maybe the staff didn't like it. president'she actions were wrong, that can't be allowed to stand. politico is reporting that three democratic's senators might vote for acquittal tonight, what are the chances? >> that would be terrific to bc,

it would be the first time in american history that a democrat broke from their party on an impeachment vote, that is never occurred. in american history. the democrats have always voted as a block, they've never broken once. if we have ave single democrat break it will be historic. to see them break from their party. >> laura: we heard from claire mccaskill today, she was one of your former colleagues, she was complaining that mcconnell only cares about one thing, watch. >> mitch mcconnell cares about power more than anythingar else, he is making one of the biggest gambles of his career because he's gambling that if he forces these guys and makes them vote against witnesses, he can hold onto the majority leader position. >> laura: their arms twisted and dropped all over the floor? >> not at all. leader macdonald is ahe great job laying it out, he is a very diligent leader, he understands

where people are in this process. what we do know is this is all about power and control for the senate democrats, forat the houe democrats and it has nothing to do with "let's do write for the country" it's about relitigating 2016, relitigating 2020. >> laura: we have airports that are dilapidated, meanwhile you fly over europe, claiming to airports, high-speed rail and the american people are saying we are paying for this? to me, money to ukraine, a lot of people don't even agree with money to ukraine, a lot of americans say what are we doing here? >> we a spent $30 million for the mueller report and american people are saying let's get back to business. if they have an expectation we are going to govern and solve some of these problems there are a lot of great solutions thatus are out there, we would love to work on judicial nominations and love to work on those things but

we are tied up in impeachment, his goal is to be able to get as many witnesses and documents and say do in the senate what they didn't do inch the house. >> it's outside of our jurisdiction. >> laura: he doesn't care about jurisdiction, this is about nicking and cutting on lacerating donald trump for the election. they all admit they are going to convict him. >> they don't want him on the ballot. >> laura: was cipollone right when he said this is about disenfranchising 65 million americans and their right to pick the president of their choice? >> that is exactly right. >> he brought up something most people don't know, this isn't the first of vote to remove the president, the second vote is to remove his name on the ballot, that's what they have set up, take them off and don't allow him to run. >> laura: whose election meddling now? >> you have four people running in the office.

sitting in the chamber taking him out. >> laura: adam schiff under the model rules of professional conduct, he should not have been allowed to argue the case. under the ada rules he is a fact witness. he should not be allowed to argue that case. it's enough of a trial of those rules should apply. >> laura: i know how tired you are, thank you for being with us. you got a reprieve that ava back at it tomorrow. do the moderate republicans think this man this is to stop? when i say madness i think the push to relentlessly investigate trump or anyone connected to him. congressman steve scalise lee zeldin are here next with what is at stake, stay with us. ♪

♪ >> if the senate decides not to call witnesses, would you guys consider bringing john bolton back to the house? >> i don't want to speak about what action we would take. >> laura: i thought that was a commercial for visiting angels, i didn't know we came back from the break. the idea of a never ending crusade to remove trump by any means is not new but perhaps it deserves more scrutiny, listen to the latest ramblings of the original impeachment monger. on team maxine. >> we will not stop, whether it leads to another impeachment activity i don't know but i know

we must continue with the work our constituents have elected to come to congress to do. >> laura: was this the work people collected you to do? who can forget congressman al green's threat to that trump can be impeached more than once. joining me now lee zeldin, shouldn't this fact alone to be enough to convince sitting senators? >> it's not just john bolton, it's mick mulvaney, then they mentioned rob blair and robert duffy, nadler is talking about john kelly. >> laura: impeachment scrabble. >> there's no limit to it and then all the republican witnesses who we got shut out of during the house process. >> laura: who is your dream list, your absolute dream list of witnesses? >> i want to hear from hunter biden and the whistle-blower and i think adam schiff and jerry nadler should go first.

as were going through the next couple of days, the format is little different but i would like to see some of these questions -- i have a question for adam schiff. i want to know about the contacts of his team with the whistle-blower, the fact that he was in touch before the whistle-blower had an attorney or filed a whistle-blower complaint, that was just four but you keep going down a list. you want to open that door, let's open that door. >> laura: congressman scalise, this has gotten out of hand. today they were so dejected that they had to reference former chief of staff who wasn't even here when that this ukraine thing was happening, john kelly saying now they want him to testify to what, he is feeling about the bolton? >> they are in this impeachment font because they realize how devastating it is for them. mcgrath's own this thing and

-- democrats on this thing and the country is saying why aren't you focusing on things that are important to me? over 100 democrats voted to impeach him because he criticize nfl players who kneeled for the pledge of allegiance, that's how bad they are for this. imagine this contradiction and where they are. next wednesday, a whole class of fentanyl drugs that are killing americans, that are currently illegal, putting people in jail today, those drug dealers -- that fentanyl becomes legal next week because the legal plan expires. there was a bill that passed the senate unanimously to keep those drugs illegal, so those drug dealers who are killing families in every community in this country, president trump is putting the drug dealers in jail today. next we can't put those drug dealers in jail because pelosi won't bring that bill. >> laura: is that part of the strategy to lock this town up so trump cannot chalk up any more achievements? that might be the method to

their evil madness. >> that damages on their hands. every single person who dies from no illegal drugs, when you can't put that drug dealer in jail next week that you could put in jail today, it's all on nancy pelosi's hands. she won't bring bills like that. we have a bill to lower drug prices, every democrat supports it, president trump would sign it, they aren't bringing that to the floor. >> laura: tim kaine admitted something today on questioning about the defense's closing argument. >> do not find the most compelling argument that the president's team makes that it's an election year, the election is close? the voters can have this decision? >> i think that is an argument that is a powerful one. >> laura: he went on to say some other things. i don't care what these polls say, i don't believe any of these polls. i just don't. i believe the american people want this town, end the swamp,

drain it, corruption gone and stop the madness. i think they want it stopped. >> the country is over this, they are ready to move on. they are going to talk about what's happening in the future when you have a republican house and a democratic president, what about the next day? our republic, the damage and destruction that you're causing in that moment when you take half the country and tell them their vote doesn't count. >> laura: you think they're going to let mike pence sit there? no way, no way. >> thank god we have a president who is not buying into all this, he's at the white house with prime minister netanyahu working on a two state solution that includes a palestinian state of the palestinians agree to drop support of terrorist groups and look at what the president is doing not just for the economy but on the world stage with prime minister netanyahu. >> laura: is there anyone the president won't work with for peace and prosperity? >> he's proven he will work with

anybody. >> even the democrats. today's announcement, there was a message to the palestinians -- listen, give us your feedback. >> tomorrow will sign usmca. >> laura: could've done a year ago, democrats held up as well. great to see both of you, just how involved was the person many consider to be the whistle-blower and efforts to cover for the democrats and also take trump out. we have new information to bring you, "the ingraham angle" ♪ y livelihood. ♪ rock music >> man: so i'm not taking any chances when something happens to it. so when my windshield cracked... my friend recommended safelite autoglass. >> tech: hi, i'm adrian. >> man: thanks for coming. >> tech: oh, no problem. >> tech: check it out. >> man: yeah. they came right to me, with expert service where i needed it. that's service i can trust... no matter what i'm hauling. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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♪ >> laura: last week, we revealed how a person many consider to be the whistle-blower helped to set up a 2016 meeting between the obama white house officials and ukrainian prosecutors. what was the topic? hunter biden and burisma was the topic but that's only the tip of

the iceberg. sources tell "the ingraham angle" that congressional investigators are asking the white house for a may 2017 email from the same alleged whistle-blower. sources say this email may show the person who kicked off the impeachment previously manufactured evidence against president trump and a footnote in the mueller report tells the story. joining me now is lee smith, investigative journalist and author of the plot against the president and sara carter, host of the sara carter podcast. explain in simple terms tonight what this email could mean about the motives of this suppose a whistle-blower. >> it appears in the mueller report, it's citede in the mueller report, the mueller report uses this email to insinuate that donald trump fired james comey at the behest of the russians. shortly after the date of this email, then acting director

andrew mccabe opens up an investigation of donald trump, wondering if he is acting at the behest of the russians. what this looks like is the person known as the whistle-blower appears to have a habit of trying to set up the president and different intelligence operations, first with the counterintelligence investigation in 2017, and now with impeachment. >> laura: we pointed out, he set up the meeting in january of 2016 in the obama administration with the ukrainian prosecutors and obama whitean house officia, he signed them all in and it was about biden, corruption, burismahi -- three times he's involved. >> it's obvious that they all knew what was going on, they were all concerned enough that

they held a meeting in the white house about hunter biden and his connection to burisma, the corruption that was going on in ukraine and now what we know based on what we can see, actual tangible evidenceit is that thee is a strong possibility that he and i don't want to call in the whistle-blower anymore because this is a deep state -- this is somebody anti-trump, somebody who appears to be targeting trump which is why it has to be investigated. >> laura: mccabe reference to this and a "60 minutes" interview. have it. watch. >> the president made those public comments that you referenced both on nbc and the russians, put together these circumstances, articulable facts that indicate a crime may have been committed to. all of those same sorts of facts cause us to wonder is there an a inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and the government of russia?? >> laura: put it b to be fairly young staffer who seems like a democrat mole is at the heart of

all three of these major events that lead to more and more trouble and removal of the president of the o united state? there's too many leads on the show tonight. >> if they wind up calling witnesses and i think we all hope this doesn't happen, but if it happens this is an email that we certainly want to know what this whistle-blower has been involved in and how many campaigns against the president he's been involved in. >> laura: this whistle-blower must come forward and be questioned in the senate committee. this person cannot be shielded in a longer. >> they can't be shielded because they aren't an actual whistle-blower and it's an insult to whistle-blowers who sacrifice everything and have firsthand knowledge and report facts and have to go public eventually and talk about those facts. this is somebody who appears to be targeting president trump

from deep within the government and somebody who needs to answer questions. this is why even the inspector general for the intelligence community and michael atkinson needs to be questioned. his connections with the whistle-blower, adam schiff's connections with the whistle-blower and his committee need to be questioned. on its face, there is something that is extraordinarily wrong. >> laura: too many things, too many foot notes and emails and meetings, it all goes back to the hub of the wheel. it's one person. with that hearing, we have to go, thanks so much. cnn's don lemon just addressed his disgusting segment belittling millions of americans, you won't believecn what he said. it's powerful, fda-approved

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>> you elitists with your geography and your maps and your spelling and your math and your >> you elitists with your geography and your maps and your spelling and your math and your reading. your geography. >> laura: that was a short snippet from a truly awful 90 seconds on cnn >> deposition snippet from an awful 90 seconds on cnn saturday as opposed to the other awful 90 seconds but this excuse. >> i don't believe in belittling

anyone for 2 they are, what they believe or where they are from. during an interview saturday night one of my guests said something that made me laugh. i didn't catch everything that was said. i was laughing at the joke and not any group of people. >> i didn't hear him say i'm sorry because i'm not sure he is. shannon bream, take it all from here. >> we have debate on that in a few minutes. thank you so much. fox news alert, a spirited rally in wildwood, new jersey where the president -- switch teams instead of voting to impeach, thousands turned out in a boisterous show of support, we are there in minutes. the president's legal team put the finishing touches on its argument using democrats own words against them in an effort to convince senators collingwood is only prolongs the process they argue has been flawed from the start. we have senatom