so the whole world looks different. the unbeatable strength and speed of advil liqui-gels. what pain? see you tomorrow, everybody. have a good night ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we want to begin this evening with an update on the world's dullest impeachment trial. it's ongoing right now as you can see on the screen. if something significant happens obviously we will bring it to you right away. the question is, why has this been so boring? well, because it doesn't meane anything. rather than a debate over things that matter, you're watching purported adults yell at each other about whether a former vice president's never to omit her aged son should interrupt his early retirement in l.a. and come talk to them. honestly, who cares to whatever. but for once, we do have a semiinteresting development tonight. apparently some democratic senators are now considering

casting votes to acquit donald trump. new reports suggest that senators joe manchin west virginia, kyrsten sinema of arizona andd doug jones of alabama are undecided on the president 's guilt. that's a story. undecided? how could they be undecided about this? it's not like it's a totally fraudulent exercise partisan politics. no, not at all. if you've been watching a we, you know this is nothing less than -- andnd we want to be totally clear about this -- a national security crisis. >> president trump is a clear and present danger to our free and fair elections and our national security. >> the president is an ongoing threat to our national security. >> the president betrayed our national security and undermined the security of our elections. >> donald trump has been and remains a threat to our national security. >> he undermined america's national security. >> and compromised our national security so that he could keep power. >> he harmed america's national

security. we must act without delay. >> tucker: did you hear that? are you listening carefully? are you taking notes? the president undermined american national security, andl he did it on purpose. you know whatrp that is? it's treason, as they will tell you on twitter. but here's a question, what about the people who abet the under miners of american national security, who refused to stop or punish or convict them? aren't they guilty of treason too? of course they are. at the very least their collaborators. in fact, it may not be long before a watching impeachment trial of joe manchin, doug jones and kyrsten sinema because, ladies and gentlemen, let's not forget what is at stake here. it's not simple in america that was betrayed by donald trump's notorious phone call. it was perhaps far more importantly the noble people of ukraine. the ukrainians, as we call them. our most important allies in the global war against putin-ism. listen to adam schiff explained. >> the widely accepted fact of ukraine's importance to our

national security makes president trump's abuse of power and withholding of vital diplomatic and military support all the more disturbing. if we had notal supported ukraie in 2014, it would have weakened our allies and exposed u.s. troops stationed in europe to greater danger. we only deter russia by consistently demonstrating support for our friends, friends like ukraine. that is why it is so important to our security that we stand with ukraine. countries like ukraine are fighting our fight against authoritarianism and god help us if it's not our fight still. >> tucker: god help us, implores america's warrior priest adam schiff. stand with ukraine, for the love of god, man, stand with ukraine as generations of men on their deathbeds have said to their oldest sons, boy, stand with ukraine. because even now, in this modern age that we dare to call

civilized, there are dark forces working on scene in the shadows even now,ee forces that, if left to their own diabolical devices, might briefly delay the transfer of sophisticated weapons technology to the benighted people about holy nation ukrai ukraine. that, as cory booker once explained with a totally straight face, would be treason. >> now we are realizing that this president was withholding that aid not for national security purposes, in fact violating national security interests, to pursue his own i personal benefit. that is outrageous and in my opinion that is treasonous. he spilled treasonous.. so really the question at this point is what you do with treason? do you look away and pretend you don't see it? do you let treason pass with a votepr of acquittal? not unless you're a coward, a warm, a betrayer. not unless unlike every decent red-blooded american, you don't really love ukraine with a selfless love of a parent for a child, c not unless you're the kind of soul demonstrative with the interest of abovest those of ukraine.ra did you know that chicago,

illinois, is the sister city of kiev? not a first cousin, mind you, no no, a sister. that's close. though physically distant, ukraine is spiritually near, effectively the 51st state. when ukraine sneezes, we as a nation say god bless you. when the ukrainee and people stumble, we bruise. we are one, ukraine and us. just as we have been for centuries upon centuries. what adam schiff has joined together, let no man put asunder. so think about that, joe manchin, kyrsten sinema. josh hawley is a senator from missouri, he joins us now. senator, thanks for joining us. i know you've just come out of the senate chambers. so we are seeing reports today and i know if the other side of the aisle, but i'd be interested in your perspective that there are a number of democrats, joe manchin west virginia, kyrsten sinema of arizona among them who are considering a vote to acquit. do you think that's true, and to be, if it is, what does it tell us? >> i think it's very possible, and i think what it tells was they just don't have a case. i think we are really watching here with the questioning

tonight the democrats case just fall apart. i just came from the floor, we are in recess here. adam schiff just settlement for that this case is all aboute. bribery. it's about extortion, that's what's going on here. but the house didn't charge bribery or extortion. they didn't allege any of that in the articles of impeachment. it leaves you wondering why are we here? they don't even know. and so i think the democrats are something that and i wouldn't be surprised if we picked up some votes. >> tucker: so you are sitting tonight, united states senator who just spent all day at the impeachment trial. you're asking the questions like why are we here. that's deeply revealing. let me ask you, and this is hypothetical, but if it turnss out the democrats don't hold the line, some vote to acquit, what will they say at that point i wonder as a party? >> welcome i think they're going to -- listen, this was ill-advised from the beginning. what really has been is a partisan attempt to overturn an election. that's what this really comes down to. they don't like theha president, they've never liked the president, they wanted to impeach him from day one. they were bent on doing it and

now, oops, they absently did it and they can't prove a case because there isn't a case in a put in the whole country through this and that's why it's time to bring this to an end. let's vote. we've heard the evidence, they don't have a case, let's vote. >> tucker: so i know there's been some wrangling over whether we are going to have witnesse witnesses -- that is another question, but big picture, are you sensing there are any republicans as of tonight who might vote to convict?ca >> well, i never can speak for anybody else other than myself. but i will just say that my sense in a republicanil conferee is that people are ready to vote. we have heard the evidence, we've admitted all of the house's evidence into the record, that included testimony from 17 witnesses, all of that is before us. so i just on this record, to be honest with you, i have a hard time imagining that somebody would vote to convict -- the republican would vote to convict.on the evidence just isn't there and i haven't heard anybody say they think it is, but we will see. >> tucker: that such a good point and it's not as if there

are a lot of united states senators with long-standing relationships with the president. presumably if there was evidence and it was overwhelming and the crime was committed, you would see a loss of some republicans, when you? >> absolutely. i think that -- look, let's be honest here, there's a lot of senators on the republican side who don't like the president. >> tucker: that's right. >> they. would be happy to vote against them, really. some of them, if they could find grounds to but they just can't find any grounds to because there aren't any in the longer the house managers talk the more obvious that becomes. >> tucker: i think that's right. thank you for your honesty, and thanks for joining us in the middle of this chaos, appreciate it. >> myf pleasure. >> tucker: a constitutional lawyer and advisor to the trump reelection campaign, she's been engaged in this all day, she joins us tonight. thanks so much for comingg on. >> thanks so much for having me. >> tucker: so for people who haven't been able to prop their eyelids open with toothpicks from dawn until now. what is the state of play as of tonight? >> and actually have trump 2020 q-tips brought my eyes open. like the straws, you can get

them at the campaign. but really what's going on here is this amazing juxtaposition between what we saw in new jersey and the president having over 150,000 people requesting tickets versus nobody paying attention to the democrats reelection campaign here in the impeachment process. it's just a sham. everybody knows that it's a hoax. so i wrote a piece in fox news -- >> tucker: i can't resist. even apparently at least three democrats in the senate know it's a hoax because they are considering voting to acquit, correct? to go and they should. i'm actually very proud off the senators were willing to say the nonpartisan constitutional solution here is to dismiss this because of the four reasons that i wrote in fox news today. first, that it's the democrats burden of proof. they have not proved this case at all. they have not brought forth any evidence from the house whatsoever to fulfill the criteria of the articles of impeachment and second, the uncontested facts here are entirely on the president tsai. they are on the side of the constitution and on the side of the law. we know that ukraine did get its aid. there was no pressure. it was within a year it was

appropriated for in the meetings with president zelensky occurred with no announcement of any sort of investigation, why are we here? and then the third thing is that the articles themselves legally failed. abuse of power and obstruction of congress as alan dershowitz has repeatedly very well articulated are not thecu constitutional standard for impeachment and that matters here. even though we can all make fun of this crazy theater, this actually matters to the state of our nation, that we are allowing the house to weaponize impeachment like, by the way, they have been trying for the past 50 or 60 years to weaponize their majority on the judicial branch. nnotice how they are now minimizing the impact of the judicial branch. our subpoenas can't go through the judiciary. why? because president trump is put over 162 additional points that are conservative. the majority of the supreme court is not conservative. so where's their majority? in the house. that's not what they're trying to weaponize and say we get all of the power now and then finally this whole bolton

bombshell, this isll the 11th hr ridiculous julie swetnick affe affect. >> tucker: at this minute as we are speaking adam schiff is on the floor ofke the senate --e are not going to. it was summer is it for our's viewers, he has demanding his presence and threatening to subpoena him. >> which is ridiculous. this is theirol 11th hour attemt to try to say there is some kind of1 evidence here and we've learned through presumption after presumption afterer presumption that the democrats make a much ado about absolutely nothing like we learned with the kavanaugh hearings, like we learned with the mueller investigation. likeau we are now learning throh this whole entire impeachment sham. they're tryingre to say and extd their circus -- we need witnesses. why? because it's completely failing -- >> tucker: mask well-equipped -- we are almost out of time but they keep seeink we don't have witnesses but i thought they had more than a dozen witnesses during the house -- in the house? >> they actually had a team. they keep saying there was only 17. the 18th witness that they won't even acknowledge is the ig

michael atkinson who actually testified likely against schiff and the whole whistle-blower inception of this investigation. they won't even acknowledge that one. why do we need more? >> tucker: with hats and witnesses. thanks much for that summation. >> absolutely, thank you. >> tucker: the upside of collapsing political campaigns as they tend to be pretty honest. once they sense they're losing, a lot of candidates decide to stay with actually think. why not? that apparently is where elizabeth warren is tonight. with our chances of becoming president having assumed the trajectory of a plane crash, warren has decided to go full fascist because that's who she is and has always been. today warren released a plan that demands criminal penalties for anyone who opposed "dis- information online designed to sway voters." try to ignore the revelers irony here. this is the person who for years posted false claims online that she was a cherokee indian. to sway voters. this is the candidate who presented she lost her job for

being pregnant and her kids went to public school. this very same person is threatening to send you to prison for telling tall tales.en the most florid liar in the race, some of "the new york times" once euphemistically described as a gifted storyteller says she's going to criminalize lying. paging dr. freud. that is more than hypocrisy. it's a sickness. but let's take elizabeth warren's plan seriously for a moment. what exactly is this disinformation she intends to ban? if you guess the answer something to do with russia, pull yourself another vodka. according to warren's press release today, "the same tactics employed by the russian government are just as easily accessible to domestic groups seeking to promote or oppose candidates and political or social issues." okay, but what does that mean? m it means that when people say things that elizabeth warren doesn't like or that impede her attempts to accumulate power, they should go to jail. warren is in the first person to fantasize about this of course.

all megalomaniacs dream of running their own ministries of truth. the founders of this country understand that well that's what they protected us with the first amendment. warren doesn't care. w as many on the left have explained, the first amendment is racist.st it was written by slaveholders, shut up and obey. as president, warren would order tech companies to share information about you so that she can determine who's been saying things she doesn't want said and then can be punished. warren has also promised a global summit on disinformation so that other fascist governments could coordinate their efforts against speech more efficiently. no word yet on whether north korea has joined warren in coalition, of course they are natural partner in this. none of this will actually happen of course, at least not soon. voters don't like elizabeth warren enough to give her more power. but what's amazing is that the price still thinks elizabeth warren is very serious. they love her. warren won "the new york times" endorsement for president just the other day. so the question is, are the media on board with her plan to shut down the first amendment?

back don't take our word for it. see for yourself. if the media don't denounce this idea the next few days, you'll know therefore it. joe biden is clearly failing in every sense, but his handlers still refuse to let him earn a well-earned retirement in florida, so no biden is campaigning, discussing his own coming death. it's bizarre and we have the tape. also, democrats are upset about the burning surge in the race dana perino joins us with more on that. of course we will continue to watch the four of the united states senate, impeachment proceedings ongoing tonight. keep an eye on that. ♪

♪ >> tucker: with every passing day it becomes harder and harder to deny that joe biden doesn't belong on the debate stage in the campaign trail or behind the wheel of a car. he's fading into should be engaged in some sick parity of campaigning in iowa. he ought to be retired in florida feeding ice cream to the seagulls. he deserves that. he's earned it. this is a depiction of what his life might be like if he did that. but he's not doing that, he's campaigning and it'she a mistake and it's obviously a mistake and it's always been -- we hate to brag, but we work and cable news, so it's encoded in our dna, but we did call this. we called it at the very beginning of his run when he was the most popular. it was obvious that it wouldn't work. watch. >> biden's campaign is not a real campaign. it's a zombie effort. it lurches from one blunder to another until finally some catastrophe will put it out of its misery because people actually see joe biden, they

realize he's not a distinguished joelder statesman. he is, sadly, a fading one. >> tucker: not to be mean, but it's true and everybody knows it. lisa boothe is an insider women's voice senior fellow and she joins ust to discuss the state of the biden for president campaign. lisa, thanks so much for coming on. >> i like amateur, by the way, of joe biden feeding a single. it's very peaceful and pleasant. >> tucker: totally. and i just want to be clear, i hope to be feeding seagulls before too long. you've got to know when to get out and there's nothing wrong with feeding seagulls ice cream. they likee it. right? and i'm not even joking at all. >> one with nature, totally. >> tucker: but the point is everyone here knows that this is a bad idea. no one loves joe biden enough to tell him and you got to sort of like marvel at the panic of a party that's realized they put all their eggs in a basket that, you know, should be in florida feeding seagulls. >> he's obviously a terrible candidate. objectively he's a bad

candidate, which is why reportedly president obama pushed him out in 2016 and try to push them out again in 2020. if that who knows him best. he ran alongside joe biden. he knows the ins and outs of him as a candidate and pushed him out once and try to do ite agai, but look, we are at a time just days away from iowa, the iowa caucuses and monmouth university came out with a t poll today showing that nearly half of likely caucus goers are still undecided or they're to changing their mind, which makes this clip of joe biden interacting with a potential iowa voter all that much more perplexing. watch this. >> what are we going to do about climate change? you say you're against pipelines but then you want to replace these gas lines. that's not going to work. we've got to stop building and replacing pipelines. >> think so much. we're going to have your -- >> thank you so much. >> i'm going to put you in the general. >> i'm not. >> that you're asking for a picture of me. my plan -- he argued it, the

general. i'm looking for a primary. >> and if you watch later in the clip too he gets a little bit more physical with a guy in the man's name is ed fallon i believe, he's a former state representative. that's not a really good way to win over support or convince iowa caucus goers to go out and caucus foror you. but look, we've also seen these clips of joe biden failing to remember where he is, and trouble forming sentences. as a lot of questions raised about his age, so this clip also doesn't really do a lot to instill confidence. >> i can think offi at least eit women and at least four or five people of color that i think are totally qualified to be vice president of the united states, but for me, it has to be demonstrated that whomever i pick is two things. one, is capable of needing to be president, because i'm an old guy. okay? >> saw earlier in the day he had

also floated michelle obama as a potential vp pick. we've seen him really -- the centerpiece of his entire candidacy simply has to do with the fact that he was vice president to president obama. i really don't even think you would be considered as a remotely viable candidate if it wasn't for that. i really think that it's the only thing that has really been propping him up and that and the fact of looking at some of these other candidates like bernie sanders is maybe not the best alternative for some of these democratic primary voters. >> tucker: i covered a lot of campaigns and i've never seen a candidate say so p clearly i may not make it to the end of my firsthr term. it's a poignant moment, i just want to be really clear i'm not criticizing. i've never seen anything liket that. lisa boothe, great to see you. >> thanks, good to see you. speeone's of joe biden obviously shouldn't be running for president. but democrats are increasingly terrified of what the alternatives might be. currently biden's chief rival is alternative medicine enthusiast bernie sanders. democratic insiders don't think he can win your in washington. teaming up with cnn to denounce him asng a sexist didn't work

either. in fact, it made him stronger, so now sanders' enemies are targeting his health.tr watch. >> the most important thing is we have to beat trump. >> it's and the damage that trump and the republican congress havee done. >> i doubt if bernie sanders can beat trump. >> i like bernie, i think he has great ideas, but michigan, pennsylvania, iowa? which is not going to vote for a socialist. >> i do have some sensors about bernie sanders health considering he did have a heart attack. >> i think it's very important for democrats to nominate summative that can beat trump. >> i don't feel that bernie sanders would do well against drum. >> i just don't think bernie can beat trump. >> tucker: dana perino host the daily briefing with dana perino and she joins us -- i don't know if you know that bernie sanders just had a heart attack, but they want you to know that, they want to remind you. >> got it loudw th and clear frm that message. >> tucker: is pretty amazing. i'm not defending bernie of course in any way, but i do think for people who are backing biden to raise the question of bernie's physical stamina, vigor, fitness, physical fitness for office, does seem an unwise

path to go down. >> it doesn't seem like they want to meet him on the battlefield of ideas. and policy. >> tucker:r: exactly. >> mostly because a lot of them of already adopted bernie sanders' ideas fromm before. but like elizabeth warren -- i don't mind campaigns in a primary finally going after each on third. we've been waiting for that. if the democrats have been trying to be too nice. distinctionsdraw and let us know who they think is going to be the best one. we might not have a clear picture in iowa, but if bernie sanders has been having a search -- his rise has been ssteady and durable whereas others like elizabeth warren, she has risen and fallen with the new cycle. she's recently deployed some of her surrogates to complain that bernie sanders reporters are being mean to her. michael bloomberg is attacking him for being too far left and being against israel. and even the club for growth is going after bernie sanders for being too far left. that's like a conservative republican leaning group, but they're trying too pump up

bernie sanders' numbers i think by going after him. that actually is like a page right out of the claire mccaskill playbook. because as 41 -- president george w. bush said, once you have the big mo, the momentum, it is hard to stop. >> tucker: very hard. so i had lunch with a democrat today, very smart democrat who said to me of the mike bloomberg campaign, said here's a guy who doesn't have a realistic shot to win that has no real message. why is he running? t yc going to put a billion dollars into this race? would it be that the real point of the bloomberg candidacy is to ulstop bernie sanders? >> i talked to people in the bloomberg campaign and to me i think that they truly believe that they have a path, very difficult one, but one where he could be president. he might be a billionaire, but he's not summative just throw his money away. he knows how to make it, he knows how to spend it and i think thate he thinks -- i think it's more along the lines of not just to get bernie out but insurance against what you just were talking about with a

lisa boothe, which is what if biden crumbles? and then you might see him try to come in in a contested convention and try to deal with that. i tell you another thing about what i heard about michael bloomberg campaign, they kept staffers all over thebe place. in arizona i asked somebody affiliated with the campaign, what are voters talking about in arizona, what are you hearing out there now that you have all these staffers out there? the number one issue they're but out in arizona is charter schools. nobody else is out there talking with abbott michael bloomberg in a record on that new york, so he's out there touting y it. >> tucker: i think he has an admirable record on it actually. >> on that. >> tucker: i agree with him on that, i hope we sticks with it. >> but if bernie sanders does well in iowa, he'll go to his favorite state of new hampshire, he won it by a lot in 2016. we could see a bernie searcher and then the democrats might get erreally nervous. >> tucker: a stop at that point. if he wins nevada it's tough. i hope you will be along with us. >> i will see you there. >> tucker: thank you.

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>> tucker: well, in the last two weeks the world has become unfortunately familiar with the word coronavirus. what does that mean though? for some people the answer is obvious, it must be related to corona beer. but is that real? chief rick correspondent trace gallagher l has more on ts story. hey, trace. >> hey, turns out confusing the beer with the virus is a worldwide mistake. google trendse cents from janua, searches for corona beer virus set jumped 2300% globally. with the highest number of searches in cambodia and denmark. here in the u.s. the corona beer virus search was at more than a

thousand% with states like oregon, colorado,d% and arizona leading the charge. corona is latin for crown. the coronavirus was named that because under a microscope the virus has crown-like spikes. and as you can imagine, genuine coronavirus have also skyrocketed. chinese authorities now say there are 7,700 cases of the edisease in china with 170 deaths. the u.s. has five confirmed cases with no deaths. of course, google and other search engines can only tell us how many people search for corona beer virus, they can't actually give us a breakdown of how many searches were based on confusion and how many more people just goofing around. tucker. >> tucker: confused in cambodia about the coronavirus. great too see you tonight, thank you. now that we cleared up that misconception, what is the arcoronavirus? how do you get it, how serious is it? what are the symptoms? one man who knows us box metal contributor dr. marc siegel and

he does a sigh. thanks so much for coming on. so describe, if you would, what it means to get the coronavirus. >> the coronavirus is a virus in mammals. different kinds of mammals. and it goes from one species to another. this particular strain -- and it's a single strand of genetic material that mutates all the time, that changes all the time. and that's why it can go from being the common cold to being quite deadly. the way humans get it, and we talk about this before, is being in close contact with animals and then it hops into humans and it can start to accelerate and go from human to human. the symptoms you get are fever, sore throat, cough, shortness of breath, sounds like any respiratory virus, right? that's the problem. we don't know yet how deadly it is, but it looks like because of all of the cases in china that weren't reported and i believet that there were a lot of mild cases that were never reported, that it may not be as deadly as

feared. and over here in the united states the center's parking disease control has done a fantastic job isolating those who have it, checking those who came from wuhan, including the 200 now getting off the plane in california today, and every day that goes by without those people spreading it to other people, the more relieved i am that maybe it's not as contagious as feared. >> tucker: i hope that's the case. some have died, over 100 according to the official chinese accounting of it. how did they die? without being morbid, i think it's an important question, what kills you about the coronavirus? >> very important question and like with sars, which was the previous one that we are worried about because sars killed almost 1 out of 10 people that have it, it's usually pneumonia. shortness of breath and cough and to develop pneumonia. now, the good news there is that almost everyone that has died from this so far has been elderly -- not all. there was a young person, 18 that die from it tragically, but

most are elderly or have some kind of chronic condition where they are predisposed to this virus doing the worst. so again, it may be that it's not as deadly as feared. what i'm disturbed mostly about is that over in china they don't seem to have done what we are doing over here. isolating people, seeing who they are in contact with. making sure that we track it, testing people for it. that's how you contain it. a vaccine is in the works, by the way. i spoke to a doctor about it last night about that but that's about a year away. >> tucker: a yearr away. >> at about two or three months away from going to trials. i say it's about a year away before we can actually use it in people, but it looks promising. we have to contain this with basic public health, but i have to tell you, the idea of people walking down the street with masks on is absurd, because with five cases in the united states, they shouldn't be thinking coronavirus. this should be thinking flu, which has infected 20 million this year so far.

20 million versus five. >> tucker: thank you for the perspective on that. great to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: don lemon over on cnn has taken a lot of heat for ridiculing half the country as ignorant trash. >> that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience, you know, the credulous boomer rube demo that backs donald trump. that wants to think they are donald trump is the smart one and y'all elitists are dumb. >> tucker: now he's trying to redeem himself with a bizarre nonapology and then more lying. to investigate his attempt at a cover-up. hilarious and revealing. nancy grace is here for a special appearance on an important story. here she is. of course they are still monitoring of impeachment underway in the senate. we will bring you anything interesting that happens, we promise. ♪ good morning!

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♪ >> tucker: at the beginning of this year as you know if you watch the show new york overhauled itskn bail laws and pretty much every progressive new policy criminal justice, the new laws take life much easier for criminals, harder for cops in far worse for normal people. the laws abolish cash bail for dozens of crimes, including burglary, stocking,, minor assault, even some types of arson andos robbery. and the results will not shock you. according to the nypd commissioner, so far this year car thefts are up 67%. 67%. in a month. burglary is up 14.5%. robbery of 30%. grand larceny of 10 compared to the same time from a year ago. some specific stories are shocking, even for new york. for example, six suspected drug dealers accused of running a $7 million fentanyl operation

just walked out of jail without paying a dime in vail. will they come back for hearings? why would they? for support supporters treportedly waved their hands t celebration as they walked out. the finger to normal america. nancy grace is of course an authority on crime, she could post crime stories with family, greg nancy grace on fox nation. thanks so much for coming on. you follow the stuff for so long, are you surprised that the laws changed crime rise? >> i am very, very surprised and not only my surprise, i am distraught. we have been told this is bail reform, but it is anything but reform. and it makes me wonder, do they think we the people are all idiots? these are not nonviolent crimes. i know you're a fact based show but just left the sink in. aggravated assault on a child under 11, tear gassing a cop, pointing a laser at an aircraft, promoting an obscene sex act by

a child, does not sound nonviolent to you? you can still sacks of heroin, fentanyl, crack and walk right out and the other criminals sitting in the courtroom are clapping as they walk out. it's wrong, tucker. >> tucker: can you imagine any scenario where normal people who try to kind of obey the law benefit from this? were the beneficiaries here? >> well, they, they, the reformists, are saying it's to equalize bail for everyone. it what it is is no bail for anybody, you just walk straight out. in fact, in some cases, the government is giving swag bags to people to get them to come back or on their way out. i'm talking about flip phones. tickets to ball games. it's insane and this is what itw boils down to. the government is here to protect the people on the people that are going to suffer are those that have always suffered, women and children and victims

that do not have a voice to speak for themselves, tucker. >> tucker: so how should we feel about a government that explicitly takes the side of criminals over us? >> i feel bad. i feel bad and i feel angry. i am a crime victim. i'm not just a former prosecutor. but i know how it feels personally when violent felon gets out of jail. it many times the victims don't even know about it. but think about these crimes. >> tucker: we lost nancy grace, but the point remains, well told, passionate, and true. it's hard to know the beneficiary is until. you think about it any realize the beneficiary is not you or anyone else who tries to do the right thing and live within the bounds of a society. the crime is beneficiaries of this who mock our system who hate you.

amazing. two nights ago, don lemon over on cnn laughed so hard at normal people he couldn't even speak. now he says americans were too dumb to know what was really going on.oo but he's going to tell you. we are going to tell you the truth. plus, we continue our vigil in the u.s. senate tonight. impeachment goes on and on and on, but we are watching it, so stay tuned. ♪ - do you have a box of video tapes, film reels, or photos,

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>> tucker: now, to a story that, you know, isn't moving nations necessarily, but it's so revealing of what's actually going on just beneath the surface all across the west and we are going to revisit it. so on monday night, don lamon broke out laughing, hysterically, belly laugh. but rick wilson, hisis best, oblivious to all irony called normal people -- if they wanted an apology, they should have gone somewhere else. instead, don lamon said this. "ask anyone who knows me. they will tell you. i don't believe in belittling people, belittling anyone for who they i are, for what they believe, or where they are from. just to make perfectly clear, i was laughing at the joke and not at any group of people." >> tucker: the best line was "ask anyone who knows me."

since we do work in cable news, we know a lot of people that know don lamon. that's not what they think. i've never belittled anyone, saysys don lamon. anybody. really?tl because we have a vcr or whatever they are calling them now. watch. >> as journalists, we have to give you the facts. what happens there is you don't talk about the substance of what you said or if there, if it's factual or not. you don't talk about that. what you do is you say everybody is out to get me. their audience just eats it up. yeah, that's right. not even caring about the facts. >> tucker: yeah, they are just dumb. just dumb. then there was the time that don, enemy of all belittling, said that it was okay to attack people for wearing the wrong hat. >> the maga hat provokes a certain reaction from many people. especially for marginalized people.

when you wear that hat, you are saying, "build that wall." >> tucker: we should say, we told you that it happened monday night. it could have happened any night. on the don le mans. it happened over the weekend. but the point remains, remember the time don lamon attacked kanye west as a race traitor for daring to have opinions that he doesn't share? >> him in front of all these white people, mostly white people, embarrassing himself and embarrassing americans, but mostly african-americans. and now, all of a sudden, he ist the person who represents the african-american community. he doesn't. this was an embarrassment. his mother is rolling over in her grave. >> tucker: of the chief washington correspondent and coauthor of "the populace guide to 2020." a book that has received no promotion and is number 11 on amazon tonight and for good reason because it explains what is going on around the world.

so it is as valuable as. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, tucker. appreciate it. >> tucker: so, don lamon gets caught doing something which people do all the time, which is mocking everyone out in the great dark space between the east on the west coast, but he gets caught doing on it. and then he doesn't really apologize. why? >> no. he doesn't apologize, because he and everybody there, they have sheer contempt for the american working class or anybody who would vote for donald trump. rick's joke was that these americans can't find ukraine on a map. well, he can find ukraine on a map and he wants to send you and your viewer's kids to go idea were over there. is he smarter than they are? if he can't find ukraine on a map, are you stupider than rick wilson? >> tucker: i love what you just said. you went right to policy. you did and it said that peoplee are immoral or they are stupid.

you said that they are pushing policies that are wrong. poor debate is always over what do we do with the country or foreign policy. they never even addressed that.t ever. they just dismiss it. they don't want to have a policy debate. why is that? >> because that's the easier debate, to call you racist or ignorant. you are racist or ignorant if you want -- less immigration. if you don't want an open border, you are racist. if you don't want more trade with china so we have cheaper plastic goods a here at home, tn you are an idiot. you've never taken an economics class. what do you know? i'm like, hey, man. i'm just trying to feed my kids. you fool. you are better off. prices are cheaper. that's what they think education and being smart is. to demonize them so they don't have to defend their idiotic policy position. >> tucker: what i find so striking is that the people whoo are saying things like this, who

are dodging the real question of preside over, are the products of a very deliberate system designed to create oppressed people. pete buttigieg ised a product of harvard. kinsey and company. they are not impressive. maybe there is something wrong with the system we've created. >> you say this all the time. it's not that we are antielite. we just want a better elite. we want a better elite who doesn't come through harvard and decide the best thing to do is go work in private equity or fix bread prices.es look at winston churchill and these other guys. they will go o off to war. they would go and they would create -- they went off to do great things in this country. we have a great tradition of having an educated elite, whicho understands what it owes to its working class. these people think that they earned it, so they don't owe them anything. and that is just not the case. >> tucker: so, they are entirely convinced that not only are they in charge, but that they deserve to be at, and if you are not in charge, you

deserve it. it is almost like a religious thing. >> this is what they have decided. i they have created the system which is that they are not impressive what's away in any way whatsoever. but in order to self perpetuate, i'm so smart. they have to protect. america woke up in 2016. that's what my book talks about. that's what we talk about all the time. america understood that no, we don't have to buy into the system whatsoever. the people on cnn who are literally laughing at you, the one thing you have left in your life is the vote. that's what they may have. that's the only power remaining. there used to be economic power, but it's gone. >> tucker: of course, they are trying to take your vote away. you deserve it. that's it for us. unfortunately, well be back tomorrow. we've got the great

sean hannity. the 9:00 p.m. hour and the impeachment progress. >> sean: you just said unfortunately, we'll be back tomorrow. the 8:00 p.m. hour. we are out of time. you actually said those words. we are out of time. are you kidding? >> sean: thank you. welcome to hannity. buckle up. we start with great news. the repulsive disgusting schiff show circus is over. finally, we see the light at the end of the tunnel. at this hour, very good sources are telling me that the schumer-schiff sham show is circling the drain. can't come soon enough. it appears senate majority sleader, mcconnell, now has the votes to block further witnesses and this whole pointless charade could be wrapped up friday or saturday of this week. earlier today, colorado senator, cory gardner announced that he 't