♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ next with the president live in ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the impeachment trial continues in the senate. pictures right behind me. the president, by the way, speaking tonight at a rally in the state of, iowa. the caucuses there, the first contest of the democratic nominating process started just aa few days. that will be interesting. of course we will bring the highlights of that as we always do. for the last week we've been watching all this and some of the more cynicalal among us have dismissed the impeachment trial as a hollow political stunt. it's something like a network entertainment division must've cooked up they say. the bad reality show. but we are traditionalist year, so we resisted thatty view. what this is really about -- and we told her this last night --

his foreign policy. it's about ukraine. that noble, windswept eastern european nation that is our single greatest ally in the world. may be our real ally. if ukraine wants it, we provide it. that's the rule, as they've explained in the senate. all decent americans stand with ukraine. for a moment the president seemed to falter and his moral duty to stand with ukraine and for that he's being impeached. so impeachment is a very serious thing. ukraine depends on it. that was our conclusion yesterday. but minds change. we saw this. this is an exchange between the president's lawyer, alan dershowitz and a pair of little known but clearly accomplished democratic lawmakers. senator goldberg of new jersey and senator behar of new york. we don't want to belittle a process here, but, what you're about to see does seem a shade theatrical for something as serious as an impeachment trial. if a judge for yourself. >> according to what i'm reading, you're the only constitutional scholar that goes with that line.

there is not one other who agrees with you. not one. >> let me be very clear about that. in 1867 -- >> wait, wait, wait. in 1892 columbus sailed -->> listen, i need us to move on. so you're saying now that you need a crime? >> you'reou not going to get meo move on until i make this point. here's the thing, you're not going to get any time, because he got for people trying to ask you questions. so i'm asking you to move back. >> tucker: how did senator goldberg wind up on christopher columbus sailing the ocean blue? columbus never even went to ukraine as far as we know. and for there she attacked abraham lincoln who also never went to ukraine. suddenly we seem to have lost the thread here. the reasoning was getting hard to follow. and then into this roiling bully a base of confusion, dumped senator hosking of the upper west side. a lawmaker just living with for the windowpane clarity of her legal analysis. watch or reframe the debate.f >> let me ask you this very quickly.

>> sure. >> just for giggles. what if the president spent the year vacationing in moscow, changed the language of this country perhaps direction, or decided to stopp doing his job entirely and perhaps golf all day? >> he does that now. >> are using we have no grounds to impeach them? because none of that is a crime either. >> tucker: and so the list of charges against the president grew longer. not only did donald trump ask unauthorized questions about how hunter biden makes a living, and that's not allowed to he's also apparently living in putin's russia and planning on switching our nations alphabet to cyrillic. some of those letters don't even look real. if they look like astrological signs. this is a major development. but of those impeachable offenses? you bet they are. speaking of betting, here's how the hearing ended with a high-stakes waiter. >> an independent watchdog said last week that withholding the a to ukraine was illegal. >> no, they didn't say that. no, no -- -- yes they did.

>> yes they did! >> i'll tell you what. >> let's -- let's just say that i'm right and i'm wrong. was that be enough for you? >> let's bet $1,000 to be contributed to the peace of israel and palestine. >> let's just say that i'm right. let's just hypothetically say i'm right. >> please. >> tucker: with got to pause for quick correction. apparently there's some sort of unfortunate mixup in our tape library before the show at some of the video you just saw -- i guess all the video are producers are saying was not in fact from today's send an impeachment. those are not actual u.s. senators, though of course they easily could be. they are instead host on a daytime chat show overey on abc called the h view. clearly despise the president, they seemed entirely sincere about that but like so many of the people who are running and commenting on this impeachment trial, they seem to have no idea what it's actually about. they don't understand the charges. they know nothing about the historical precedent. facts and details are irrelevant to them. they didn't even botherar to red

the gao report that they introduced as evidence. they got it backwards. nothing to slow them down that it ever does. they are lazy and silly and wrong. but at the same time they are utterly certain they are on the morally correct side of historyi they don't know if they're good people. excellent people, k actually. unlike the horrible old orange man who speaks russian and the rubes who voted for him. they know all of that for certain, so in their view that got the big things totally right and that's all thatta matters. and so in that way, despite the tape except, it really couldll have been the impeachment trial, it's essentially the same thing. joined now by author and columnist mark steyn who has been watching from the very first gavel hammering. great to see you, mark steyn. so you now are one-off, i would say, america's great experts on thisu impeachment trial having greedily consumed every moment of it. what's your assessment so far? >> well, it's a complete stinker from beginning to end. you saw the problem with it, with alan dershowitz on the

view. a constitutional lawyer should have really be having to push himself in that situation. the problem here is lawyerly arguments. in fact. i there's no point making lawyerly. this is a completely political process. people say that, you know if the trouble with lawyerly arguments is that if it's political, the president can't be doing this well. you know, even if you accept everything that john bolton says is true. that's all a complete -- that's all a complete waste of time. i think you should actually have defended himself. my problem with this more of an impeachment. trial, the ratings are so low, adam schiff might as well have kept it in that skiff on subbasement level three. there's nobody watching this. and in fact, it's not enough of a circus and trump should have defended himself and shove this thing down adam schiff's throat directly. the whole process is stupid. the chief justice reading out these handwritten cards by

patrick leahy, which in fact it is written forck him by someh no-name staffer in his office and then you have the chief justice like some game show host, what's the next question, john? the whole thing is ridiculous. trump should have represented himself and turned it into a d'real service. >> tucker: that such an interesting point. as i've watched this i keep thinking i wonder if the republicans are being too literal. and that's reason we went to follow in the open tonight. it's hard to take it seriously and i wonder if it's a mistake to take it seriously. it's utterly political and the charges don't even make sense. they are guilty of the crimes they accuse the president of committing. the whole thing is so nuts. so maybe it's better to just say that out loud? >> well, i would have said -- as they say in english courts, schiff should have made his case and the democrats made their case and then the defense should just have stood up and set as they say in english courts, no case to answer. and left it at that. and the only thing i would add

is that the only real crime here, to go back to what you are saying about ukraine. ukraine is our greatest ever ally. ukraine was there when we stormed the beaches of normandy. ukrainian volunteers were at fort sumter. they've been with us throughout the history of the republic. the only crime in this thing was hunter biden -- committed by hunter biden, who stole the wealth of ukraine from the people of ukraine. and hunter biden's racket isn't actually a victimless crime and the victim was ukraine. >> tucker: that is such a great point. if u you really believe that ukraine was our essential ally important enough to send her son to go die there, which is the case adam schiff isre made, it would be a little bit upset that hunter biden was defraudingad ukraine. >> tucker: absolutely. that's the thing. they want to build a ukraine safe enough for the sons of lifetime career -- look, this whole thing is a joke. there's not a real -- this idea

i don't like the lawyers for the president appearing to resist -- they should save, john bolton, bring him on. let's have them in the witness stand for two weeks. this thing is going so great for you, let's have him here. ask him all the questions you want, we have nothing to fear. this thing is tanking for you, let's extended to november 3rd, 4th, 5th, and see how it works out for you losers. >> tucker: i literally couldn't agree more. that's the best case against impeachmentth effort so far, not surprisingly. it mark steyn. great to see you tonight, thanks for that. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: during today's hearing as you just heard mark alluded, chief justice john roberts refused to read a question fromm senator rand paul of kentucky that named a person that every single person in washington already knows to be the secretet whistle-blower. >> i have a question to present to the desk for the house manager chef and for the counsel.'ss >> the presiding officer declines to read the question as

submitted. >> tucker: what are we watching her? judicial watch may know the answer. thanks so much for coming on. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: what was that and what it was supposed to make of that? >> well, that was an extraordinary example of the deep state protecting itself. you have the chief justice of the united states making a political decision, arguably in his discretion. but to keep up the name of the alleged whistle-blower. and who, by the way, because we've sued for records about him, he was assigned by the cia on the ukraine issue to both the obama and trump white house, allegedly work with joe biden. so irrespective of whether he's the whistle-blower, what he is doing is of intense public interest and we are not even allowed to mention his name. if i mentioned his name and you posted this on youtube, youtube would take it down. if the party taking down -- >> tucker: may i will ask mike ask a relevant question, because the chief justice has weighed in, is it against the law to mention his name?

>> he's not a whistle-blower legally. morley is not a whistle-blower. there's nothing to protect him other than buying into this political -- >> tucker: let me interrupt you again. if it's not against the law, them on what grounds is the chief justice, whose job it is to interpret the constitution and of all the while, on what grounds is he denying it? >> schiff has believed in my view the chief justice on the full senate into keeping his name private because to exposing what expose the corrupt formation -- >> tucker: but there's no legal reason pressure from a democratic congressman from p burbank, that's it. >> that's exactly right. in the big tech companies have bought into it. look, i was there yesterday, tucker, and i saw adam schiff say the only reason in the end to bring in this whistle-blower is to endanger his life. so he's essentially accusing those who want to ask questions of him of wanting to see him killed. i didn't see the chief justice exercise his discretion to take down his words from accusing those asking questions of wantingg to endanger witnesses life? this is an extra ordinary abuse

of the senate. and it -- mark's points are well taken. they can't shut this down soon enough and the fact it got this far, the president may be acquitted. the country has been terribly abused in our system has been terribly abused, because now they've got this new technique to abuse any sitting president they like. and it's not going to be in a on democrat president because republicans are going to do this. if they're just going to go back to this toolbox againn and again and it would not surprise me, given their opportunity to smear the president, protect their arguable coconspirators in the deep state, that they'll go back to this box again and pull out impeachment. >> tucker: so we are hearing -- >> against him, not just general, guns drawn. >> tucker: we are hearing that is good and soon with an acquittal. do you think that that's likely, possible? >> that's what we are told. but with the trial, you never know. but on the other hand, there's no evidence. and this is just a mockery, as i

said the other day, i was talking to someone. people's court had more due process for the defendants and those participating in donald trump is getting here. he said no witnesses in one of the positive things is we are being educated a little bit about biden's corruption. to his credit, the president comes off as a corruption fighter. >> tucker: there are a couple of democrats, at least a couple in the senate or suffering through this because they know it's not good for them. and i think it's possible this could end tomorrow, maybe during this hour. but we will see. i don't think this is a clean victory for the democrats. under any circumstances.e >> is not a victory for the country in any circumstance, democrat or republican. >> tucker: certainly. y >> bernie sanders, do you think is going to beh treated much better than donald trump if he wins the presidency by the same crowd? i doubt it. >> tucker: that is a prescient point. thanks so much. we got a fox news alert for you, the deadly coronavirus has been spreading across china for weeks, as we told you every night now authorities have

confirmed the first case of direct person-to-person transmission of that disease within this country. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has more on that. >> until today the five cases of coronavirus in the u.s. are all people who had recently come back from china. patient number six is the husband of a chicago woman who was diagnosed with coronavirus after she came home from the epicenter of the virus. and while the first person-to-person transmission in the u.s. is concerning, the cdc and other health officialsni are trying to tamp this down by pointing out that the husband who contracted the disease from his wife is in his 60s with underlying health issues.g and that he continued to have close contact with his wife even while she was w symptomatic. we are told the husband is stable and the wife is doing well. in the cdc maintains the coronavirus spreading from person-to-person in the u.s. was expected and the overall risk to the american public remains low, but because the illness has now moved outside china, the world

health organization has declared a global health emergency fearing coronavirus will now spread to countries with weak health systems that are unprepared to respond. right now more than 9600 people are infected. 213 have died and for context, the flu, which is very active in the united states, is a much bigger threat than coronavirus. each year in the u.s., the flu kills anywhere from 12 to 61,000 people. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks so much for that. as you just heard, the coronavirus is a serious, serious threat, certainly potentially an authorities are taking it seriously in this and other countries. but over on cnn, still calling itself a news channel, even as of tonight, here's what the story means. we're going to read this tweet. coronavirus task force another example of the trump administration's lack of diversity. and they include the picture just to lett you know that if te wrong color. the people working to protect

you from coronavirus, this is cnn's take away, are the wrong color. speaking of viruses, wokeness is a virus. it's infectious, it destroys your brain, after watching it happen to people all around you, certainly on the left, some running for president, many working at cnn. you wind up writing stuff like that. totally insane. up next, mayor pete buttigieg likes to pose as the conscience of the democratic field, but now party activists are calling him a racist. he might have the woke virus. we will tell you why they are saying that. plus elizabeth warren has a new way to pick cabinet secretaries. she has a t transgender child wo will pick them for her. we will let her explain that. of course we are monitoring the impeachment slow slog in the u.s. senate. the president speaking as well in iowa. we will bring the highlights from that. a lot going on. we will be rightsp back. >> and many other businesses like manufacturing, banking,

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liberating moment. she gets more desperate, all restraints of all the way. she can be as woke as she wants, she can say whatever she wants. put people in jail for spreading this information? sure, she's forpl that. van fracking nationwide by executive order? sure. cripple our only functioning economic sector? yeah. but she also has ideas that you've never even heard of, like this one she explained today. she's not going to pick her own secretary of education, no, that i will go to a 9-year-old transgender child who will pick. >> i'm going to have a secretary of education thatt this young trans person interviews on my behalf. and only if this person believes that our secretary or secretary of education nominee is someone who is committed to creating a welcoming environment, a safe environment and a full educational curriculum for everyone, will that person

actually be advanced to the secretary of education. >> tucker: jason rance is a way to host out in seattle, joined us tonight. thanks so much for comingng on. i have to say, the woke part of me was a little discouraged by this. income education secretary? but wouldn't you take your 9-year-old trans child and use that child to pick your secretary of state? or secretary of defense, or your vice president? in fact, why are you even running? him a question nine euro trans child running her place? >> yeah, first of all, we shouldn't be surprised that the white privilege woman who presents as native american is going this route. but what i thought was kind of fun and all that --as both >> tucker: true what you just said. >> so i look at what something like this and part of me, i'm in awe. because this is some next level pandering to a specific group to try to get votes. but politically it does make sense. she's going to iowa, new hampshire. the polls are not looking good for her nationally as well. so she's trying to leak from the bernie sanders base. bernie is doing well because he

too is pandering to the progressive crazy base, but he's doing it in a way more authentic way, so at this point elizabeth warren, she's so desperate she has no chance to get anything unless she goes all in. so just go all in. >> tucker: all in for what? what i'm so struck by -- i'm not mad at the kids she's referring to. but this is a country with an awful lot of problems that are mounting at high speeds. the very obvious problems, and she's talking about things of no consequence to the overwhelming majority of americans, including the overwhelming majority of democratic primary voters. this isn't a relevant issue relative to about 100 other issues. so what is she talking about? >> well i think she's trying to appeal to a white progressive who is cisgender who feels really guilty about living in that privilege and so they created a whole bunch of groups that are victims, we are tolder that their victims. we are told by these people that they are victims and if only we give these folks more power will they be ablee to take us out of this victimhood. so i really think it's appealing

to a base of people want to be seen as heroes, so maybe as they are casting a ballot they say okay, maybe i'll be a better hero with elizabeth warren. i truly think this is all politics. this is someone who very clearly doesn't care about transgender people the way that she wants us to believe. i think we can have an honest conversation about how this country treats transgender people. but simply pandering to a community without any sense or logic or reason doesn't actually solve any problems. it just creates more. >> tucker: it so insulting to the country. have you seen the suicide numbers from the cdc the other day? the opr -- 70,000 people dying of opioid ids. how about the parents of one of themut get the better cabinet secretaries? there are a lot of suffering groups in america. this is like actually one of the naughtiest things i've ever seen in my life. >> she gets the woke award today. good for her. congratulations, elizabeth. >> tucker: he or she does.la jason, thanks so much for that. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: moving on now to more news from a 2020 >> politics and progressive

values are alive and well in the american heartland. i also think it helps if we produce our nominee from the heartland. these heartland values don't have to lead you into the arms of the republican party. especially this republican par party. >> tucker: we won't apologize for putting up some our air. we don't typically do that. it is a little inconsistent for pete buttigieg, who presents himself as the moral force of the center for the democratic party. recently the mayor tweeted this. "in the face of unprecedented challenges we need a president whose vision was shaped by the american heartland rather than by the ineffective washington policies would come to know and expect. there's that word again, if there are kids in the room, heartland. happily, fluttered to mike twitter uses on the left ripped buttigieg for using because needless to say it's racist somehow. here's the clip we should have erred. >> democratic politics and progressive values are alive and well in the american [bleep].

i also think it helps if we produce our nominee from the [bleep]. these [bleep] values don't have to leave you into the arms of the republican party, especially this republican party. >> tucker: burgess owens of course is a legend i'm a retired nfl player and now a republican candidate for congress in the state of utah and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so you've been around a while. h you're watching stuff, do you consider heartland -- sorry to say it again, a racist term? >> this is what gets when we have a couple decades of our education system being run by socialist and marxist. we now are going to come out in debt, but you, as full-fledged elitists. no, heartland is the values that make our country great and i i will say i grew up in the deep south tallahassee. jim crow era. we had such a remarkable community that really represent

of the of our country. about education, about entrepreneurship, god, family, respect. those things that really make our country great and the values that americans who truly get out and work, not the elitists on the east coast on the east and west coast. those that go to work every single day to get respect from neighbors and to get a great future with their kids. that's what the heartland k represents. not a creed color, that would reflect the values we want to hold onto. >> tucker: so when the woke left attacks the term heartland as an obscenity -- i mean, they are attacking a part of america, aren't they? >> yes, and if we can define what the heartland really means -- i put in a very -- four basic tenets. head, heart, hands and home. education, god, industry and family. that's what makes the american way work. that's what we find in true heartland of america, no matter what we are, no matter color and they hate that. so yes, they want to make sure they turn those terms of

educating our kids, standing up for god, having industry where people really go out and develop value of working hard in a family unit. they want to turn that into a bad word. so just know that's what they are, god was. that's what socialist and marxist do. they want to mine every single thing that makes her foundation great. >> tucker: hopi semi pete buttigieg is watching to me. if you would go out and repeat what you just set and defend himself, none of these people well, because they're cowards, but if he did, i think you do better. burgess owens, thank you for that. congrats on your race for congress and use are very to sew you. thank you so much, see you later. >> tucker: supporters of meghan markle and prince harry are using familiar word to insulate themselves a from criticism. they are calling anyone who doesn't call them or their behavior a bigot. one english actor stood up and said "wait a second, that's not right" and was all most crushed for saying that. he joins us an extra tell us what happened. plus we are monitoring impeachment still underway in the senate and the president's rally in iowa where the caucuses just days away. we will monitor both and bring

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>> tucker: prince harry and meghan markle are leaving the t royal family and understandably that's a huge story in britain. predictable he may become a

supporters of her she's been driven out of the country because the u.k. is racist, of course. lawrence fox is an actor in great britain, but unlike most people in his profession, he doesn't have a lot of patients for lines like that. >> she has agreed to be harry's wife and in the press have torn her to pieces. let's be really clear about what they said. let's call it by its name, it's racism. [applause] she is a woman and she has been -- >> you can't -- >> she has been torn to pieces. >> it's not racism. >> it absolutely is. >> no it's not. it's really starting to get boring. >> what we see about your comments, you are a white privilege male -- >> i can't help but i am. i was born like this. it's an immutable characteristic. calling a white privilege -- you're being racist. >> tucker: well, fox has taken a lot of abuse in the u.k. for saying that out loud.ra we recently talked to him about

it. >> so it's kind of a remarkable colloquy there. you say that the treatment of meghan markle was not racist and the woman you're sitting across from a tax you on basis of your skin color. what i thought was the definition of racism. you point that out. and she attacks you again. a and now you're being denounced as racism for objecting to being attacked the basis of her skin color, can you unravel this for us? >> i find it very difficult to unravel. i've been called a racist quite a lot in the last few days. last tenlo days of my cancellation, which is currently taking place. i think i was trying to -- to have a conversation which one isn't one that people in the u.k. want to talk about, i don't thinkab we are a racist country. polling indicates that we are not. and people have seem to be -- as we've said, playing the man, not the ball. attacking me, rather than addressing what my point was.

>> tucker: yeah, i mean it's interesting, england is completely transformed by non-english immigration, so that would suggest it's not a racist country but it's a conversation, you know, i think that's probably worth having. but to short-circuit the conversation, to end it by attacking you on the basis of your skin color because you're a racist is so upside down bizarre. it you would think someone would say, wait a second, you're committing this sin, you're decrying. did anyone say that? >> no, not really. there's been a couple of people that have been very kind, but i was always of the opinion that one should be judged on their -- content of one's character or not the color of one's skin and we seem to be going backwards for some reason. which i don't quite understand why. definitely not helping society. >> tucker: that's a quote you scuttle from one of our moral heroes here in the united states, something that we are ignoring, as well. he said the people have been kind to you. i would think that all rational people regardless of whether they agree with your politics erare like your movies would tae

her side because the other side is literally irrational. no? >> it's very difficult. as shown by the treatment, it almost as a warning to people not to support rational free thought and free expression for the consequences that were being -- the totalitarian ideologues that seem to be running twitter and the small minority and very vocal minority of very angry people. >> tucker: so your place seems to be to fight back against fascism, because we both know that's exactly what it is. by staying home and clear and sensible and brave. are you going to continue doing that? >> i'm trying to have a giggle. i think it is quite important to have a giggle because it doesn't seem to be much from the other side. this seems to be quite a lot of denunciation and calls for cancellation. and so think one has to giggle and also i'm a father and i've got two children and i think

it's important one teaches them that you stand up when peoplend attack you and you don't back down, so i'm not -- i'm not backing down -- the denunciation of me. sorry, guys, that's the way it goes. >> tucker: so we've used to revere bravery and rational argument. those were considered great qualities in a man. i mean, tell me a lot of people have come up to congratulate you i hope. >> i was very fortunate today. but been sort of slightly keeping my head down because it came as a big shock. i wasn't expecting such a vehement reaction and i went to lunch today with douglas murray, who sends his love, by theoc wa. and as i was walking from lunch to a meeting, i was stopped by a good ten or 12 people in the street who shook my hand and a man got out of the car actually and said good on you, mate, keep standing up for yourself. i think it's important. we don't want to live in a world where everybody who is cowed into submission and unable to say and express whatever opinion it is by bullies on that side of

the argument. >> tucker: if i was in a taxi right now i would get out and shake handles also. that's how much i appreciate it. lawrence fox, great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: hillary clinton has a brand-new diabolical plan for avoiding tulsi gabbard's $50 million lawsuit against her. just ignore it's happening. it refused to accept the papers. we will telll you how that'she working just ahead. plus track and the ongoing senate impeachment trial in this presidents rally tonight in iowa. news breaks from either, of course you will hear it here. ♪ hi! we're glad you came in, what's on your mind?

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♪ >> tucker: all of a sudden bernie sanders is the favorite for the democratic nomination and in about a year he could be the president of the united states, that could happen, so now might be a good time to notice that some sanders supporters don't seem to have a

lot of patience for traditional american politics. not all, but some. you know, the traditional kind of politics where you vote and follow the law and don't physically assault your opponent. newly released footage from project veritas shows ayo sandes organizer wishing that america had a more violent labor movement. watch this. >> do you mean like armed? armed resistance? >> i mean, i don't think we're there yet and i hope not, but just like a militant labor movement that's willing to one, if necessary, just, you know, destroy property. >> tucker: another sanders field organizer said that while the campaign is willing to collaborate with the violent lunatics in antifa, they're not ready to talk about it publicly. >> well, i think -- we don't want to scare people off, so you kind of got to feel it out first before you get into the crazy stuff. -- >> what kind of crazy stuff? tell me?

>> talking more extreme organization and stuff like antifa. talking about the yellow vests and all that, but you know, we are trying to keep it -- keep it not on the back burner for now. >> tucker: earlier this month he and another sanders organizer promised that if his candidate lost the primary than milwaukee, where the convention is in july is going up in smoke. >> i can best with someone who is like an anarchist and i can best with someone -- we've tracked some were truly radical people to the campaign. >> tucker: obviously most sander supporterss are violent, they're just upset aboutup the economy but it does make you wonder honestly if "the washington post" had a half a dozen videos of trump campaign staffers talking about violence we might be having one of those national conversations right now, and maybe we should anyway. conversation about violence, and who better too talk to -- a

historian, author of "tonight we bombed the capital." really someone who knows a lot about political violence in this country. thanks so much for coming on, congrats on the book. >> thank you so much. >> tucker: it's shocking to hear people at any site talk about using force in the political process, but is your book kind of pointss out, this s not a new thing in american life. >> no, i think it's been part of our political landscapeng for 40 years and we've been -- a lot of us have amnesia about it and we've forgotten things as recently asmn oklahoma city, but if they explore in my book, there was a period and that '70s in the 1980s were terrorism, particularly from the left, but also from puerto ricaa separatist and others was a big part of the political environment. >> tucker: the idea that there would be a bombing or shooting was also of course a shooting in the early '50s on capitol hill. lyrical violence. that is shocking to think of something like that happening right now. >> absolutely, and groups that were -- like the black liberation army in the early 1970s will exist -- their main

action was assassinating police officers, and that's obviously a horrible time that we don't want to revisit, but quite shocking. >> tucker: with the country -- was the country shocked by it when it happened or what was the reaction to it? >> i think they were shocked by it but they were kind of anesthetized by it because the vietnam war was going on. so you know, it was violence directed on the tv screen every night against -- you saw american soldiers being killed. i think people were little bit anesthetized about it, but in the early '70s, there were thousands of bombings a year in the united states. >> tucker: is unbelievable. you've got nt for running around controlling downtown portland, oregon, for example in people deemed stomach seems awfully passive in the face of it.ll want to ask of someone who studied this and ask plaintiff so clearly inne your book, whats the profile of people who use political violence? are they the poorest in our society were not? >> someone said if poverty were the cause of terrorism, then haiti would be the world's

wellspring. of terrorism. no, terrorists tend to be -- this is true all over the world, they tend to be middle-class, well-educated, well-adjusted, even humorous. not -- obviously depraved, not particularly poor -- >> tucker: because the kids and antifa, the ones that don't have the masks on, they look like children of orthodontists. you know what i mean? theyf all have even his teeth d they look like they went to college and i don't look dispossessed. to me they look like nihilistic upper-middle-class kids. >> they probably are well educated, absolutely. though only -- middle-class people have the luxury of thinking about politics. >> tucker: that is such a deep point and it's a deep book. author of "tonight we bombed the capital." great book. >> thanks very much. >> tucker: bernie sanders staffers want to turn on the wall, hillary clinton floats above it like a zeppelin. clinton was regionally hit with

a $50 million defamation suit from congresswoman tulsi gabbard, whom she described as a russian plant, but now according to a lawyer, hillary clinton is refused to be served with a loss of, she's not going to be served, the one person in america who is not participating. approached her home on tuesday to deliver the lawsuit but wasve turned back by the secret service. how the caric is a radio host ad offer of what really happened. joins us now. most of us and journalism have been served. i've been served and my boxer shorts at home, maybe a dozen times over the years. i didn't know that sending the secret service out to shoo them away was an option. >> who does she think she is, tucker? a member of the biden family met even hunter biden in his recent paternity suit, he accepts service. you know, it's a civic responsibility like jury duty or paying taxes. everybody has to accept service. and this is not too surprising when you think that is also

defied subpoenas, which are even more serious. congressional subpoenas. they wanted to get their hands on the emails from her private server. it was government property. not only did she defy the subpoenas, she destroyed the government property, the government evidence. so this is just another day at the office for her. and you know, here's the question. if you had had a secret service agent go out until the person, just tell them to get lost, what would you do? this is their m.o. the clintons have always operated this way. >> tucker: you get to use a government employee working at taxpayer expense, collecting i'm sure a lot of ertime to opt out of the system? this is -- i've got to admire the brass shows. it's like i'm sorry, not participating in your stupid civil justice system, i'm just not. just not playing along. what does that? >> tulsi gabbard's lawyer says what is she, intimidated? this is a woman who wanted to be the leader of the freee world.

she had the ad, i'll be there at 3:00 a.m. to take the call and she is intimidated by something that most adults have to deal with? occasionally, it's not a pleasant process, but you know, what about the line from the old tv show, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. >> tucker: yeah. it does this work on your taxes? and you just send the secret service out to say to the irs, i'm sorry, it's just too much -- i'm just not paying this year, i'm sorry. >> she said that when she destroyed the 33,000 emails, she said i know you've got this espionage investigation going, but my lawyers and i have decideder what's germane and wee destroyed 33,000 emails and yeit's -- you know, these allegations against tulsi gabbard are so ridiculous and she also said jill stein was a russian agent who was basically acting as her agent by demanding all the recounts in the immediate aftermath of the

election. she is ready to get into the race. >> tucker: they are the russian t agents. pretty -- most of us are pretty convinced that if we flatter the dash hillary somehow gets away with it, it's just amazing. thank you for that perspective. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: president trump is on the road tonight rallying supporters in the state of iowa. we've got highlights from what happened. plus, impeachment. still muddling along in the u.s. senate and we will have updates. by the way, that could all end during tomorrow's show. we hope it will. [crowd chanting "usa"] ♪

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>> president trump: joe, joe, joe. he always gets the name wrong. he says great to be in the state of ohio, and they say you are in iowa. mayor pete. they don't know how to say his name. he presides over a city that's failed, it's doing so badly.he >> tucker: [laughs] that's about it for us tonight. in fact, it is. we are done. we'll be back tomorrow night and every weeknight at 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and group think. dvr it if you can. tomorrow night, it's entirely

possible the president will be acquitted and this impeachment trial will end. possibly in our hour. great way to start the weekend. good night from washington. sean hannity next. >> sean: any hour will do. whatever hour it is. it'll be good for the country. we begin with a fox news alert. we are tracking multiple breaking stories. the president holding a rally, pretty raucous, in iowa tonight. oh, and joe only got 75 people. quid pro quo joe. we will take you there live in a moment. we are continuing to monitor the question and answer phase of the impeachment charade, yes, that's going on as we speak. we will dip in and out. first tonight, the president has every reason to be glad and happy. it's about to be game over. what is the democrats' latest scheme? by all accounts, chuck schumer, the democrats, do not have the votes to keep it going any longer. today he said it would be an uphill fight.