mugs on the site. at the room i heard. i will try and nail it down today. there's a new sheriff around here and we like mugs! [laughter] we love him. watch him at 3:00. >> sandra: thanks for watching us. we'll be back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert, we are just hours away from a verdict in the senate impeachment trial of president trump where the president is selected to be quite a number of articles. this, after tension boiled over during last night's state of the union address. the president appearing to reject speaker pelosi's outstretched hand. however, he did not shake the vice president's hand, either. so it's not immediately clear if he noticed pelosi's gesture, or anybody's. democratic congresswomen dressing in white, protesting what they call the trump administration's immoral and misogynistic policies. democrats could also be heard groaning and booing during parts of the president's speech.

by far the evening's most talked about reaction was this. see for yourself. wait for it... speaker pelosi, boom, ripping up her copy of the president's speech in full view of the cameras. >> melissa: and then doing it again. >> harris: as he finished speaking. the speaker later defended that provocative action. watch. >> why did you root doll might rip the speech outcome about them speaker but the white house calling it a slap in the face to featured guests and others. the president paid tribute to during the speech. >> i think it's very disappointing for people to literally watch democrats sitting on their hands, nancy pelosi shredding the memory of caitlin mueller, shredding a 100-year-old tuskegee airmen. shredding a little 2-year-old, ellie, who was born at 21 weeks and six days. i think it shows you how petty and peevish and partisan the

democrat party has become. >> harris: you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. former ohio senate minority leader, capri cafaro. in the center seat, former utah congressman and fox news contributor, jason chaffetz. we say he is "outnumbered." what hybri happened last night h nancy pelosi come in your estimation? >> jason: i thought it was so over-the-top. immature, contrived. i don't think it was a spontaneous moment. i think they went over the top. they lost control of her discipline. it's so disappointing. you expect more from leaders. you expect more from a speaker of the house. i recognize they don't like donald trump, but my goodness, when we are recognizing troops and people that have died, ordinary americans who do amazing things, we should be united in recognizing those people. they couldn't even stand up and put their hands together. >> harris: and you know all

this because you were standing in the room. i'm curious, that's all of everything everybody is talking about in society today. but you were actually there for that tension. >> i've been to 12 in a row, even as a former member of congress you are allowed on the floor. i went there and i was sitting in there. it's disgusting to see it. i understand there is some politics and they're going to disagree on policy. >> harris: how did it feel in that moment? >> it just feels wrong. when you are recognizing somebody who lost a loved one, who was killed, when you have a service member who was coming down to be united -- >> melissa: let me push back a little bit about expect a more of our leaders. obviously democrats will say president trump is the one who set the tone. he's the first want to do something that in the past would have been called inappropriate. i think it's more of a sense that, why did she rise to the bait? why did she -- he sort of set up this speech with all of this applause lines at all of these folks out in the audience so that if democrats did do what

they did they would look really petty and cheap. and they rose to the bait. that to me is what is so stupid about it. it's like when michael bloomberg said the president was obese in response to the box comment. it's like, don't take the bait. >> jason: congress has an approval rating that's lower than cockroaches and used car salesman. >> harris: to be have polls for that? [laughter] >> jason: we've been polled, believing! well deserving. there's one point it really is illustrated for me. when donald trump said that he was supportive of the 1 trillion trees, that he wanted to plant more trees. can't the democrats come of the tree huggers themselves, stand up and say, "yes, we want to plant more trees!" >> harris: the cover of "the new york post" today, can we pop it up? uh... okay. there it is! we couldn't see it in the room. "tory loser

" capri, lots of times they will destroy their speeches or toss them out for recycling or whatever. jason pointed out, though, this seemed contrived. what is it being talked about inside the democratic party from those you know today? >> capri: i think there is a level of frustration, frankly. on the one hand i think people say, "well, this was the response. this is how democrats feel. she was just providing that frustration in a visual moment." but i also think there are a lot of mainstream, main street democrats that are frustrated with the fact that this is where we are at. i agree with you, everyone is stooping to this level. there is no circumstance right now in the american political discourse where we are above politics. even something as sacred as the state of the union. and i know we had the "you lie" situation back in 2009 or 2010 when obama was present. we never were above this, people would just lie and put on a face before

>> capri: but we at least respected institutions to adhere to a level of decorum. i have to be honest, i only had one ear to the state of the union last night. not because i was trying to boycott or be disrespectful to president trump but because i knew it would be a visual representation of the division that is in our country. and i'm just so -- >> melissa: it wasn't, if you watched it closer. there were african-american members out there getting the things they wanted that made them happy. it was a beautiful cross-section of america. that's the problem, democrats needed to watch it. >> capri: but democrats, not the members of congress themselves. you had democrats sitting down. i'm just as critical -- >> harris: i want to scoot in with this, let's talk about this speech. democratic congresswomen debbie dingell had this to say. >> a really depressed me. it was the most partisan state of the union i have seen or witnessed. i had hopes that somehow -- maybe i'm a dreamer, i can't

stop dreaming that he would come in and try and pull us together. there are issues we've got to work on like lowering prescription drug prices. and that chamber was not a chamber that was brought together last night. >> harris: dagen? >> dagen: was partisan because of partisan dangles leader, thou speaker. i would think nancy pelosi -- or at least i thought until last night -- that she was politically smarter than that. she won that bag because of moderates in this country. she couldn't pro a potter prospy those voters are feeling because what president trump has done. she sat there and couldn't applaud a 9-year-old girl getting a scholarship. instead she chose to lick her lips like she had lipstick on her teeth. i will say this, president trump called nancy pelosi a third-grade politician. this was back in october, the last time that they spoke. last night, she proved that's exactly what she is. she's a third grader. essentially eating toilet paper

in protest because she didn't get a second slice of cake. i call her "speaker veruca sal salt." "i want to come i want it now!" she's a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum. that's what america got to see. all those women wearing white, what did she say about women and their moodiness and impulsivity to sit there and act like that? >> melissa: burn. president trump also striking themes that will loom large in his reelection campaign, take aim at democrats pushing far left policies. watch this. >> 132 lawmakers in this room have endorsed legislation to impose a socialist takeover of our health care system. to those watching at home tonight, i want you to know we will never let socialism destroy american health care. over 130 legislators in this chamber have endorsed legislation that would bankrupt our nation by providing free

taxpayer-funded health care to millions of illegal aliens. >> melissa: jason, when i heard people saying the speech was partisan, we talked about this before. i went back and try to look through the text to see the parts. what i heard it is a lot of things -- a lot of democrat policies in there. a bunch of big government suffered early on in the speech. this was definitely the part where he was taking aim at democrats and made it more partisan. i thought it was interesting when they wouldn't clap for jobs. democrats don't want people have jobs because they want people to be dependent on the government. they want the government to get bigger. that's that socialist theme that he just brought up. what do you think about that? >> jason: when the president started his speech he rattled off statistics that you would think every american would be happy about. about black unemployment reaching new record levels and wages rising. why can't we all -- why is that partisan? those are just, a, they are factual.

we should all be happy to happen. i didn't see a single democrat -- >> capri: can i step in here? i really think this is why politicians have lost so much credibility with the american public. because there is such a lack of honesty. it would be one thing to say, "look, will apply for unemployment, because how can you disagree with that?" however, there were some partisan aspects of the speech we didn't agree with. so it's one thing -- if you're going to be equitable about it, rather than just focusing on the negatives, you have to give a clear and equitable assessment of the hole. >> jason: there's a difference between having a difference on policy and being "overtly partisan." the president is, just like barack obama did, going to talk about different policy prescriptions. but when the president would recognize an ordinary family doing extra near things, losing -- >> capri: this is what i'm saying. i'm saying that i think democrats, and on the flip side republicans when obama was

president, would have more credibility if they were to say, "i see where you're coming from, but --" >> harris: transparency from democrats some -- and not all of anybody is one thing -- but some of them express thing like "deplorables." some describe people who back this president and believe in these policies as people who are basically the enemy on the other side of the political aisle. hillary clinton, i believe. political enemies. so is this more transparent? to see them sort of acting -- and anathema to anything we would think would be bipartisan, but you had. are just showing us -- about people who believe differently than they do. as of the possibility for it? >> capri: i don't know, i'm just being very honest and emotional about this. >> harris: it's possible. >> jason: i think the one that stood out on the democratic side was kyrsten sinema, who showed up in purple, not in white. and when she agreed, she stood up. when she didn't agree, she did

not stand up. >> dagen: that example finds why democrats won't clap for this president because they are afraid of the objects of it. and simple. they are not listening to what the president is saying and they don't really care about the voters. they only care about their own political gain and their own power. they are not thinking about the people. and that is what it really boils down to. a lot of these policies, we were talking about usmca. nancy pelosi took claim for that. that she got it through. she tried to own that, and then he essentially disavowed it. bringing troops home from afghanistan, you'd think they would be able to get behind that. criminal justice reform. these are parts of the democratic platform, for pete's sake. they are what they claim to hate. that's what they've turned into. they are just full of vitriol. >> melissa: we are just a few hours away from the expected acquittal of president trump and his senate impeachment trial. the democrats who could potentially cross party lines. plus, as the delayed i will are

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>> melissa: fox news alert, to the chaos in iowa where the poll results are still not in on that caucus. pete buttigieg holding a narrow lead, meanwhile joe biden, who -- that's him on the phone there -- is the most electable candidate to take on president trump. he put in the disappointing fourth place despite a strong showing in national polls. this has some establishment democrats and biden supporters

reportedly sounding the alarm and questioning whether he will be able to reclaim his front runner status. biden downplaying his iowa finish as he pokes fun at the lack of clarity. >> 24 hours later, ther they are still trying to forget what the heck happened in iowa. at this rate, new hampshire might get the first vote after all. i'm delighted to be campaigning here in new hampshire and i look forward to campaigning in nevada and south carolina and beyond. >> melissa: dagen, this is what gives me about iowa. first of all. the past three years, all we've heard about is the integrity of our electoral process and how we can't have democracy if we don't have these clean elections you can count on. so the first chance democrats get, they spend $63,000 and go cheap on an app that nobody tested. that wouldn't even load. and now we will never know who the real winner of iowa should have been. we didn't have a clean result, we are not -- nobody got that bump. we will never really know who

the true democratic nominee should have been this time around. >> dagen: know, and the democratic party is also the party of the technology industry of silicon valley, the academic world, of graduate programs, and they couldn't find anybody to actually design this app? why wouldn't they just go and use the technology -- use like a messaging app? i brought this up yesterday. just commercially-available, you can use an encrypted application. why not? buck sexton brought this up on twitter come to give him credit. >> melissa: they hired this company called shadow which bills itself as building affordable apps and easy to use tools for progresses. couldn't use an app -- does it have to be met for progressives? >> capri: technologies technology, it has no ideology. you have fund-raising, platforms that are specific for democrats, these kinds of things.

i'm sure there's probably a more simple way to execute this. like whatsapp, for example. i don't think the parties are equipped -- any party -- to administer an election. >> melissa: meanwhile, joe biden comes out of this in fourth place. wouldn't that have been a bigger headline if the election had been cleaned? if the caucus results had been clean? now he comes out in fourth place but he gets a say, "we don't really know." >> harris: we don't, because we only got the majority of results. we didn't get all of them. >> jason: i think joe biden is the beneficiary of this. first of all, "the des moines register" poll did not come out, as it has for decades. that is highly suspicious. followed by the fact that i think the big headline is the former vice president of the united states, the leading person within the democratic party, is coming in fourth. that's a huge headline. the other big number that i think is really quite stunning

for the democrats, that they really need to be concerned about, is that the voter turnout for the democrats across the board is about what it was in 2016. which was less than what it was in 2008. >> capri: and you have like a million people running this time. >> jason: it doesn't matter, if you have more people and he would think more people would get out. the fact of the matter is there's this enthusiasm gap between donald trump and the republicans, they had tens of thousands of people show up in an uncontested contest. we didn't have any fiasco there. but you have tens of thousands of people showing up that didn't have to. and democrat enthusiasm did not surge. that is a huge problem for democrats. >> harris: i think that is the biggest headline out of all of this period that the number, the lives of people who went to vote yesterday at the caucuses -- gosh, it's wednesday. monday, at the caucuses. it was equal to about the amount in 2016. tha nonpresidential year.

distant -- coat >> jason: that was the presidential year >> harris: you're right, i was comparing to the midterms. why didn't that number grow? would have been inside the democratic party such that you didn't have people invested in showing up? >> jason: if you go out and work on the search engines and look at this -- i was researching before i came on the show -- there's always headlines about this huge surge they were getting. and bernie sanders is bringing all these new people into the system. >> harris: then where are they? >> jason: exactly. they are not necessarily there, or -- >> capri: there were a lot of first-time caucus-goers. >> jason: but a lot of people are dropping off. >> harris: why are they leaving? >> capri: i think there's a level of frustration. there isn't a clear beacon of hope. creating enthusiasm on our side. >> harris: the vice president for eight years is not your begin? >> melissa:

what about mayor pete? that's a big move. >> capri: i think it's you trim, i think it couldn't down like change is a i think it changes his trajectory. i hate think it provides them with a level of momentum he didn't necessarily have. it's a great boost for mayor pete and it's a real drag on joe biden, who was supposedly the front runner. >> dagen: watch and see, because bernie sanders' surge in the polls has been because of the voters of color. latinos and black americans pay 25% of the electorate in the merry season are black voters. you watch bernie sanders, he's got a very strong latino voter program. you watch to see if those voters, black and latino voters, start moving more and more toward bernie sanders. >> harris: that'll be trouble for biden. he thought he had them tied up in south carolina. you, capri, called it a firewall for biden. what if it's more like a curtain? >> dagen: watch those, because it's changing. >> harris: what if it's not

fire retardant and they burn out? >> dagen: what if it's a transparent shower curtain? >> melissa: maybe. 2020 democrat michael bloomberg making big moves now after the iowa caucus meltdown. details on that and what it means for the primary race. plus, senators gearing up for an historic vote as president trump's impeachment trial wraps up. we'll need democrats cross over in support of the president's expected acquittal? ♪ pods puts you in control

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>> harris: all right, it is coming. republican senator mitt romney gearing up to speak up on the senate floor were he is expected to reveal how he intends to vote and president trump's impeachment trial later this afternoon. president trump is expected to be acquitted on both articles of impeachment. abuse of power and obstruction of congress. republican senator susan collins announced she will vote to

acquit the president of the united states. this, as democratic senator doug jones intends to do the opposite. >> i will vote to convict the president on both articles of impeachment. it is simply a matter of right and wrong. we are doing right is not a courageous act. >> harris: to others, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, being watched closely as potential swing votes for the acquittal. both represent states which president trump carried in 2016. have we sat down with kyrsten sinema right before she won the election, she voted with president trump 60% of the time. red states. she did well in northern arizona. i know you know a lot about that state, as well. what do you expect she will do? >> jason: i don't think she will vote to convict. i really don't. i think she's an independent thinker. i think she has earned a brand and said, "hey, i'm going to call it like i see it." but i don't think that she will. regardless, we already know the

outcome. we know majority of senators will vote to acquit. you have to get to two-thirds of those senators in order to convict. so this is a little bit of gamesmanship here in the last few hours, but the reality is donald trump will be acquitted. he can brag about that. he can talk about that. and the majority will have voted against adam schiff. >> harris: dagen, you're baking a cake. there's a couple of ingredients you would like, to be bipartisan. how many senators do you need to pick off? we know the threshold for acquittals versus conviction. how many do need to tick off to claim bipartisan on either side? can be one or two? test one? c3 just one, maybe joe manchin, maybe kyrsten sinema. i'm curious about mitt romney, if he votes to convict. he's from your home state. even before he was sworn in as senator, he wrote that op-ed that was in "the washington post," trying to take some sort of moral stand against president trump.

maybe that is the wild card here. but whatever he does is going to be in his own self interest. i think he has shown that before. again, this is not -- you don't have to, you kind of get political cover if you go to convict. let me remind any senator who votes to convict, you are doing it nine months before the american people can make that same decision. >> melissa: all i could think last night as nancy pelosi stood up there and ripped the script was, "you guys are going to vote for impeachment, you will fail. you making him look like a superhero who can leap a hateful congress in a single bound." i mean, they are just making him look -- it's all backfired. >> capri: i think you tweeted that out, i saw that early. i wanted to circle back to something we talked about, about joe manchin and his suggestion about censure. the ship has sailed and it's too late now, we are where we are from impeachment. i think it would have been

smarting from the beginning to go with censure. it would have been bipartisan, it would have stuck. >> harris: so why didn't they do that? >> capri: people wear -- speaker pelosi being most people -- were concerned they didn't want to look weak to a section a very loud -- >> harris: does delusion make you look weak? >> capri: i never thought this was good politics to begin with but i think president trump should be held accountable for his actions. i think a lot of what he did was wrong. what comes into question is whether it rises to high crimes and misdemeanors. it would have been smarter politically and for the country to go with censure. it would have stuck. but it's too late now. >> harris: jason chaffetz, some republicans are coming forth and saying with the president did was wrong. which would be in agreement with more than 60% of the people polled in america. but not rising to the occasion of removal. you say what? >> jason: i read the transcript myself. i don't think the president did anything wrong. there are some republican's who do think, "darn it, he shouldn't have done it, and hopefully he

learned a lesson." but to remove him from office, to have the political death penalty, so to speak, is going way too far. remember, nancy pelosi set the standard. she said in march of last year that it needed to be bipartisan. she didn't meet that standard. to your point -- >> harris: well, it was bipartisan in the house. democrats joined republicans against the impeachment! it's still past in the house. >> dagen: it needs to be bipartisan from americans, not of them. in other people who live in the political bubble of washington. when you look at the polls, they didn't move. >> jason: exactly. they didn't make the case. >> dagen: more people were against removing the president than for impeaching -- >> jason: and a huge part of this is adam schiff. he has demonstrated time and time again is an ability to tell the truth, to b he tried to convince the mega people there was all this collusion. then we would clear them, and this cleared him. >> harris: chairman

jerry nadler says the investigations continue. >> melissa: absolutely. i think they will impeach again. i think if he wins reelection we will revisit impeachment. >> harris: all right, we move on. programming note, by the way. today, martha maccallum and bret baier will begin our coverage shortly before what is planned to be a 4:00 p.m. eastern vote in the senate. you will hear from senators. we will know how everybody's voting. we will have the outcome of the senate impeachment trial, of donald j. trump. 3:55 p.m. eastern is your tune in four bret and martha. the president touting a booming economy in his state of the union address last night. what democrats had to say about his claim, as they called it. now, this debate moves forward in 2020. what will it look like? ♪ >> the unemployment rate for african-americans, hispanic-americans, and asian-americans has reached the

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>> since my election we have created 7 million new jobs. if we hadn't reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration, the world would not now be witnessing this great economic success. under the last administration, more than 10 million people were added to the food stamp rules under my administration, 7 million americans have come off of food stamps and 10 million people have been lifted off of welfare. >> melissa: president trump touting the great american comeback during his third state of the union address last night. the president highlighted a record low unemployment rate and a blue colored boom. all part of a prospering u.s. economy that is sure to be a central issue in his 2020 reelection campaign.

but don't like michigan governor gretchen whitmer had a different message. >> it doesn't matter with the president says about the stock market. what matters is that millions of people struggle to get by or don't have enough money at the end of the month after paying for transportation. student loans, or prescription . >> melissa: this is so fascinating to me, >> dagen: . you can't argue with the numbers, although democrats do. the federal reserve for atlanta, wages for the 20 bottom percents are closing the wage gap. the labor department production workers pay is rising at more than double the pace of the direct managers. so the wage gap is closing. but they don't like that message. what did you think of her response? >> dagen: she talks about the stock market.

every person in this country, if you have a job, you can get one. unemployment is the lowest it's been in my lifetime. so she's talking but the stock market. i think one other thing she said was about the need for infrastructure. it's actually -- it is the gasoline, the policy on energy, that year for the democrats, that would lower americans' standard of living because the cost of fuel they need to get to work will go up. the president is just highlighting what americans already know. nearly six in ten americans, 59%, say they are better off financially than they were a year ago. that's up from 50 percent last year. this is according to gallup. if you look in terms of -- so the 59% better off financially. so they are tied for an all-time high of more than 20 years ago in terms of how people are feeling right now. >> melissa: i think it's a really interesting difference in philosophy that is legit, it's

not about people hating each other. just this idea, when he talked about people coming off food stamps and they booed, for republicans or anybody on the right that's a good thing. you have people coming off because they have a job -- >> capri: that's not why. >> melissa: for democrats -- okay, you like government helping people. >> capri: i'm sorry, i feel really strongly about this. i know you were going to jason. but some of this has to do with economic prosperity, and i'm not going to dismiss that. but a lot of the reason why people are coming off of food stamps, otherwise known as the snap program, is because specific changes in the rules of eligibility and work requirements. we had work requirements in existence for years now. the difference is that states can't apply for waivers for counties that have exceedingly high percentages of unemployment. so it's actually kicking people out of the rolls. >> jason: that's good! >> dagen: it's for able-bodied adults who can work.

not from others. >> melissa: is a philosophical difference. >> capri: is never good to be on a safety net program, but to say that there is a blanket reduction without acknowledging a change in eligibility rules is not correct. >> dagen: so that is what they're booming? please. >> capri: i'm just saying there's a technical difference, that all. >> jason: the quick point i want to make some of the one thing that was not addressed -- and i'm fairly ar article for republicans and democrats -- we have the tax cuts, it helps the economy. we had more dollars going to the treasury, but we have a spending problem and we have to get that under control. because we have a debt and deficit that is -- >> dagen: that is on the republicans, too. >> harris: i did bring it up with hogan gidley, the deputy white house press secretary, yesterday. we are going back and forth about great bright lights in the economy, but one thing analysts and economists will tell you is you can dim every light in the room if you have too much debt.

and we have a lot of debt. >> jason: too much. >> melissa: dagen and i were cheering when you asked about that question in the interview. 12020 democratic presidential candidate in particular taking advantage of the iowa caucus chaos. the unprecedented move michael bloomberg is making, and the impact they could have on his campaign. ♪ with va mortgage rates near 50-year lows, one call to newday can save you $2000 a year, every year. activate your va refi benefit now and start saving.

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>> harris: we are catching it live, the kansas city parade. the super bowl champs. you can see the lombardi trophy right there. and he just went by. and these are the big moments. it is snowing like you wouldn't believe. it will pick up two to 3 inches of snow. people they don't care in kansas city. by the way, on the kansas side of the metro, yes, two states, the closed. on the missouri side they were told of a light day. schools of close, thousands of people in the streets for this big homecoming parade. super bowl lii. 31-20. the chiefs over the 49ers. i have to say, go chiefs! anyway, there we go. let's get back to the news, shall be? former new york city mayor bloomberg doubling television ad spending while planning to expand his field staff to more than 2,000 people.

that comes amid the continued chaos surrounding monday's iowa caucuses, which still have not produced a clear-cut winner. they released the majority of the findings. concentrating on the super tuesday states, which a vote march 3rd. california, the golden state alone, has 450 delegates on its own. as opposed to the first voting seeds which come for 155 delegates combined. smart move or not by bloomberg? >> jason: it looks like he will spend about a billion dollars of his own money to go through this process. i think in mid-july when they go to the democratic convention there in milwaukee we are looking at a brokered convention. i don't think the trajectory to get somebody who will have the necessary votes on the first ballot then kicks in. that will drive the bernie sanders people nuts, properly so pray that's where bloomberg actually becomes more

viable. because he is trying to buy his way in. how much they millionaires and billionaires, they are on a trajectory to put a billionaire right at the top of the ticket. >> harris: do they like him, do they not like him? >> dagen: what could be the magic potion and all of this, he brought it up. that's the national debt. right now it doesn't seem to be a concern. >> harris: it should be, it's huge. >> dagen: i know, but longer-term interest rates are so low that it's not an imminent financial danger in this country. that would be his greatest strength, talking about that and trying -- >> melissa: nobody ever wins on that issue. >> dagen: by the american people see it becoming a problem and they are starting to feel if your higher interest rates. he has also proven himself to be somebody who will hit back at the president. he will take shots at the president. "call me many mike, i'm worth more money than you." >> melissa: they are talking about the bloomberg effect because he's going to these

markets and he is buying up all the ad time and bidding up the price. i was looking at the bloomberg effect, prices are up by 45%. houston right now, 20% elsewhere around the country. in charlotte they say it's up 23%. >> capri: it's all protected by the first amendment. guess what? you can't beat financer form, it cuts both ways parade you can be self-finance and that's how the cookie crumbles. i have a prediction, you hear it here first. after super tuesday, mike bloomberg will have more delegates than joe biden. >> melissa: wow. >> harris: gosh, so good bernie sanders. if you look at the way the map looks right now. >> dagen: people only know i'm right now if you're advertising. if you google bloomberg and marinara sauce you get an ad for his campaign. but he's very unlikable in person, and i don't know how that will play out. >> jason: he's not going to resonate. he's looked wrong on the second memo done a lot of other things. >> harris: reality tv needs washington ritual.

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president trump awarding rush limbaugh the presidential medal of freedom just a day after the conservative radio talk show host announced that he had advanced lung cancer. and that was hardly the only emotional highlight of the evening fit for reality television. the president singling out a 13-year-old who aspires to do in the u.s. space force, and has 100-year-old great grandfather. one of the last surviving tuskegee airmen. announcing a scholarship for a philadelphia girl to go to the school of her choice. praising juan guaido, the leader of venezuela's opposition movement, to bipartisan applause. other made-for-tv moment, a soldier deployed to afghanistan returning home to surprise his wife and kids on live television. there's a rule you learn when you begin to right. show, don't tell. show me, don't tell me. show me how you are helping young people to go to a school of their choice. show me through that young girl. that's what we saw last night. stagecraft. >> jason: this is the state of the union. we are talking about real

americans and their lives. i was so touched -- here's this 100-year, newly minted for goodyear general mcgee who served 130 missions. he served in vietnam, in korea, and there he is with his grandson who wants to be part of the space force. i tell you, that was an emotional moment. when you have a member of our united states military who served multiple deployments coming home to his family, that is an emotional moment. everybody should have been standing up. everybody should have been clapping to that. i think from coast-to-coast every american love those moments. i think it's very appropriate to do it in the state of the union. >> melissa: i mean, it's true -- and you talk about the stagecraft, and people are criticizing the president saying this was a reality tv program. it was designed in a way that when he does put these people up, whoever designed this, whether it was him or anyone else, knows that when democrats don't applaud, when nancy pelosi ripped up that paper, she is ripping up those

african-americans who are the beneficiaries of these policies. it is very deliberate. it was done that way and it works. >> capri: it may be more executed for television viewers, but bringing real americans in and telling their stories is nothing new in the context of the state of the union. democrats and republicans have done it with a whole host of individuals, to tell america's story. so i think this is not unique but maybe its execution and rollout may have been more tv-ready. >> dagen: i cried during moments in the state of the union and i've cried during past states of the union. i use the shoe on the other foot test. what would happen if he was a democrat standing up there and republicans had behaved that way? the country would be on fire. in nancy pelosi, i thought -- there was no coq au vin on this menu. >> melissa: is an opportunity to feel better if you want to. you can feel good about the

direction of the country. the people are so angry that they don't want it necessarily. >> jason: thanks for having me. >> dagen: we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. right now the kansas city chiefs good luck charm. "outnumbered overtime." harris? >> harris: thank you, dig in. new still being made the day after tensions between president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi on full display on televisions across america at the state of the union address. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. speaker pelosi skipped most of the ceremonial introduction after the president did not shake her hand before the address. pelosi later ripped up a copy of the president's speech as he was ending, in full view of the cameras. now vice president mike pence who was standing right there next to her is not impressed. >> i wasn't sure if she was ripping up the speech or revamp