rick: where is the milk? people being turned away from places like shanghai, so right now china is in a state of paralysis. >> lisa: bye-bye, see you neil: but i think to go to work but on a limited basis and only a few hours, so how is that working out because like i'm saying in a city the size of manhattan, or bigger, the tomorrow! people aren't there. neil: all right we're less than >> this is a concern, because five hours away from the first xi-jinping wants china to go vote of the nevada caucus and back to work and when you put already officials fear what employees back to work at a could be a repeat of iowa while point where there really is no control over the virus, it's candidates fear interference from russia and the entire globe going to spread further. neil: right on top of each other is fearing a pandemic they are pretty densely packed. coronavirus is spreading. >> what you'll have is there can we trust what china is will be an increase in output and that'll make the gdp numbers reporting? then back to russian meddling of look a little bit better, but then it's going to prolong the a very different sort. fort it years ago today, the virus and one thing, neil we're seeing this virus spread miracle on ice that had in pretty hot locations and that america rallying around a team cast out on everyone's narrative of amateures that achieved that this thing in china will greatness, we'll talk to the disappear june, july, september. captain of that team. neil: with warmer weather and he's here and only here, so am i apparently it is fighting that

and the crew, all of us, happy argument, so let me ask you, to have you on this saturday stepping back as the markets i morning good morning i'm neil cavuto and you're watching think tend to respond much as cavuto live. we begin with the chaos already they did with trade, they coming before the caucuses have went up, and then they went down , same thing with the virus. already begun. that's proven very business it, the better the prospects look jacqui heinrich on the latest that it's contained, and the developments from las vegas. last couple of trading days of the week, worse for stocks jackie? reporter: hey, neil. when that was not the case. well, nevada democrats are so are the marketing getting managing expectations, they're ahead of themselves of this fear not committing to release any it's going to lead or potentially to a protracted results today, and it's sparking slow down that spreads? some concern among the campaigns >> well my sense is the markets yesterday a memo went out to the are not taking into account how campaigns from the state party serious this is. saying they are abandoning the i think they are sort of putting google form they plan to use to report the results and too much faith in what beijing says about this and that's sort instead relying on a phone-based system. of natural. it's the second time they've neil: what do we have to go on? shifted gears since the iowa >> i believe that the regime is cobias when they ditched plans to use an app. just not prepared to tell the it's unclear whether they will truth. they aren't allowing the world still use the google form to factor in the 75,000 early votes health organization team into to determine which candidates wuhan and it looks like meet the 15% viable threshold and it's the first time in they've got something to hide. history a caucus state allowed

early voting so we'll see how if that's the case, neil if this virus is really very that plays out. today is make or break for different from what we've seen candidates like former vice before then the assumptions that we have about coronavirus and president joe biden and senator elizabeth warren who did not coronavirus in general just may meet the threshold for delegates in new hampshire although warren not apply in this case and if they don't apply this could be had a record day of fundraising following her strong debate really severe as we're seeing from these cases especially in performance wednesday, she started this with only 2.3 million in campaign funds, and a weak performance here south korea, and they don't have could really damage her ability any link to china. to fund raise. that really is the director senator amy klobuchar is in a similar spot. meantime biden and former mayor general of the who said that really is worrying. pete buttigieg are faring neil: so when you get big u.s. slightly better but they also companies, apple, the big need money to contend with a huge fundraising machine and trigger this week saying that senator bernie sanders and this could have an impact on getting our phones out, new billionaire tom steer and former mayor michael bloomberg and one thing to epidemic koala in mind phones that come out the end of about the nevada caucus is the the summer, beginning of the state is a very transient population and caucus states are fall, delayed shipments even maybe delayed toys for next notoriously difficult to poll anyway but one thing about the christmas, which seems unfathom early voting is the majority of people who came out in that able to me, the potential is there for this four day period were first time to be a worldwide caucus-goers that makes this potentially even more economic issue. difficult to predict, neil. >> certainly in our country we have for instance the big box neil: jackie we'll be watching it closely as i'm sure you will retailers they maintain lien

be. thank you very very much inventories, we could see shortages in mid-april that has an effect on inflation and meanwhile to russian roulette, remember apple. just in january, they said they u.s. officials are warning gave a revenue forecast and then bernie sanders is trying to help like four weeks later they say his campaign, lucas tomlinson oops we're going to miss it so it shows a company like apple has more. reporter: neil, bernie sanders which has all of these operation didn't address the issue at a s in china, every rally in las vegas headed at a reason to know what's going on nevada caucus. in china, they've been fooled this campaign issued the and if they have been fooled following statement. my message to putin is clear, like the rest of us even in a stay out of american elections less position to understand what's going on there that means and as president i'll make sure that you do, in 2016 russia used the markets probably are under the internet to sell propaganda and divide our country and my playing this. >> think about it it's a big understanding is they are doing it again in 2020. market for apple products as well as a manufacturing friday, president trump also center. held a rally in sin city we'll see. all right thank you, my friend attacking its democratic critics very very much gordon chang. in the meantime later on we're talking to one of the 13 >> we want to get along with evacuees from that diamond princess cruise ship quarantined russia. president trump: the radical lefts attempts to poison our in nebraska the individuals, 11 democracy and overturn the last of them have this virus including her husband and she's one of the lucky two who do not. election have totally ended in a big fat failure. meanwhile, democratic reporter: elizabeth warren also congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez did it first and weighed in. i believe that we need as much now meet another official hoping to block amazon from coming to

transparency as possible on any his city, and he's a republican. russian interference, understand whatever happens out there today, remember, this is about disinformation and the way to fight disinformation is to call it out, show what it is. reporter: president trump fired the acting director of national intelligence who served for 36 years as a navy seal. his good friend and fellow seal admiral whoever saw bin laden reacted in the washington post saying his firing puts the nation in grave danger, and that the triumph of evil will go about. now the ambassador of germany has been named acting director, neil. neil: lucas thank you very very much so the president is dismissing these reports of potential russian meddling of the 2020 race, while democrats are calling for more transparency. republicans trey gowdy was with me the other day on my your world fox news show sag saying both parties have to prevent this from happening again.

the president is not in sync with that, a former u.s. attorney, guy lewis on this guy, where do you see this all going? we know the russians were involved in 2016. the data seems to date they did not tip the rates despite what democrats are saying but they are at it again so where do you see this going? >> good morning, neil. welcome to warfare in the 21st century. i think we've got to take this seriously. listen, personally having supervised one of the largest espionage cases in the country's history the information is coming in from individual sources in russia. it's coming in from intercepts and it's probably also coming in you have the hilton app. from some of the forensic will the hilton app help us pick the starters? investigation that the fbi and great question, no. the intelligence communities are but it can help you pick your room from the floor plan. undertaking as we speak. neil: so guy, when you hear can the hilton app help us score? these reports the russians are you know, it's not that kind of thing, trying to do something that but you can score free wi-fi. would help bernie sanders, to me can it help us win? , that looks like setting up hey, hey! we're all winners with the hilton price match guarantee, alright? sanders because he is being at man, you guys are adorable! alright, let's go lose this soccer game, come on! least in the eyes of many to be

book with the hilton app. the easiest for the president to beat so this is a way of helping if you find a lower rate, we match it and give you 25% off that stay. the president. that's how some are reading it. expect better. expect hilton. are you? >> well that's a good point and there certainly is truth to that one thing we can say 100% for sure is their goal is to disrupt. their goal, the russians goal is to create distrust, to make us as americans look at our electoral process and have doubt about its integrity. i don't like it and frankly when i think about this , neil, this is why in retrospect, another reason why i'm sort of angry about adam schiff and the impeachment proceedings because the intelligence committee and the house, this is exactly what they should be doing and i don't agree with warren very much but i think that committee ought to be having open hearings on whose doing this , how is it happening , what is the law enforcement community, intelligence community doing

about it? that's what we need, i think. neil: doesn't that have to come from the top, the president? and he rightly blanches when people say oh, they are going to try and rig this for you, we know the numbers were not there to have influenced the final results he won fair and square but when another potential comes up for russian meddling, you know, to call it a democratic tactic, i mean trey gowdy and others are saying there's a legitimate issue and we have to be on top of it, but they're not >> well, i agree with that and neil: all right well amazon is facing fierce opposition to a i think we do have to be on top distribution center in a chicago of it. we've got to take it seriously. suburb that's projected to you saw what it did back in 2016 create upwards of 1,500 jobs. we know based on the investigations being conduct the bolingbrook mayor wants to ed that its happening as clear the company out fearing the new facility will cause we speak. let's do something about it. traffic problems, and no he's not a democrat he is the let both sides of the aisle put republican mayor, and he aside the partisanship and let's joins us right now. mayor thank you very much for make sure russia does not joining us. interfere with this upcoming it's an unusual position, at

election. least given the criticism neil: you know this is maybe outside your perview but if i republicans have had, in places could pick your fine brain on it , bernie sanders in an like new york, where you've had interview had said maybe some liberal politicians rip through of the so-called violent bernie bro, you know the ones who challenge women and the rest , maybe they, i'm amazon. >> yes, i do, a certainly know paraphrasing here, could be part of the russian campaign having nothing to do with legitimate sanders campaign workers. the jobs have taken a lead, and what did you make of that? >> well i don't put it past the let me go back to the other russians, and others, by the reasons first. way. first of all they want to build not just the russians, but the others. an 850,000 square foot building again, their tactic is to create equivalent to 15 football fields as much chaos as possible. in the middle of a business park chaos for the russians and other adversaries is a win for them, and they want to make this and it's a loss for us and building 10 stories tall, that's why we've got to take it with no windows and that would seriously and our intelligence dwarf every building that it's community and law enforcement fbi has to take it seriously. neil: when you talk about chaos at, and it's a metal building. i'm wondering the ways in which that just does not sit in our they can operate. one thing that's great confusion

at rallies and protests that are just made up all fake, that i park. that's what i thought we mayors get , but online and social media where else do the russians do. we look at them and see if they leave their fingerprints? fit with our vision and our plan it doesn't. >> great question and all we have to do is look at the secondly, there's not a lot of mueller indictment that came out about what, a year, year and a half ago now, charging 13 solutions and they want to add 400 semis a day plus 2,000 cars individual russian intelligence officers with using social media coming and going, so again, , with disinformation campaigns. another non-fit and lastly, the look when i was prosecuting and overseeing the prosecuting down 1,500 jobs at $30 an hour, here of a cuban spy network, and some of my critics, the under were infiltrating military bases, offices in congress, i average pay is 38,000 and mean there were no rules. not 30 and the reality is we there were no rules and that's have four amazon fulfillment why we've got to hit back just centers within a 15-mile radius as hard. neil: good point, so guy lewis so there's thousands of those thank you for coming in saturday opportunities and of always appreciate it my friend, be well. yes, sir. neil: i want to give you a quick course, some say my question is look at what's going on in las entry-level job, yes, it's a vegas of course the nevada caucus is today and they wrap up

today with early voting in the nice job, for a supplement all income, a second job but they state 75,000 voted early. also staff it up as temporary that's almost as much as the total voted altogether in and i've been doing this 34 2016 so just early voting, you years, and this is my third had 75,000 versus 84,000 in project and i've shepherd total, who voted four years ago, 3.5 million square foot of so we're watching that closely. also, watching the coronavirus buildings. neil: well have you arranged issue very very closely. these things and these issues, as you know that is spreading they are all legitimate issues, investors are selling and mayor, with amazon. growing down as to whether we >> absolutely. i did it over the phone. could trust anything china is they didn't say much of anything saying. but they closed two weeks later. ♪ $50.5 million. neil: so where does that put you >> well, you know, i'm not sure ♪ this was a local conversation with a one-page site plan, and that's what's in these comments, ♪ they've not been back to it and they aren't returning media calls and we've not called them but essentially the ball is in their court but the property is everything your trip needs

for everyone you love. not zoned for what they want so expedia. it's a biggie, and secondly we have height restrictions on buildings of about 60 feet so that's two major barriers that they would need to continue and it's not just me. it's the city council as well as several plan commissions who have called me. neil: all right, you know, mayor we did place a call to amazon and their standard practice i guess is to say we have a practice against commenting on our future roadmap which is their way of saying we aren't going to talk about it, so if they pull out entirely, you might get pressure from people saying well kiss those jobs goodbye the mayor just abandoned us. what would you say? >> well first of all the comments i'm getting from fox business is broadcast over the last bit is about 50/50. the ones on our local social media page in the city is 2-1 opposed and the people called me

and directly is 98% opposed to this project. they know what the congestion is , they don't want it. that's the local people. some of the people commenting around the united states, they don't have a clue on where we're going, and they don't realize there's 75,000 people, 35 minutes of loop, 3.5 million square feet of business industrial office buildings, beautiful business parks and to stick this in the middle of it be a travesty. neil: you know you raise a number of very good legitimate issues mayor the company should hear you out but thank you very much sir i appreciate it. >> you're more than welcome, thank you. neil: be well. meanwhile, back to vegas, baby looking live at the caucus site in nevada where voters are about to place their bets. anyway forget the candidates running focus on the cash that have is running out.

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stopping the virus from spreading any more than it already has. the concerning news though, is that in other countries, new cases of the virus are on the rise. there are now more than a thousand confirmed cases of the coronavirus in 28 countries outside of china. in south korea the number of new cases increased by eight-fold this week to more than 400. the country also reported its third death from the virus and there are concerns that death toll could grow. even more concerning, to global health officials is the number of new cases with no clear link to china or other infected individuals such as in iran which has reported 28 cases in five deaths in just a matter of days. the head of the world health organization says the spread has not reached a pandemic state quite yet but he is urging other countries to prepare for that possibility. >> the cases we see in the rest of the world, although the numbers are small, is very

worrisome. although the window of opportunity is not only to convey the outbreak, we still have a chance to contain it, but while doing that, we have to prepare at the same time, for anything, because this outbreak could go any direction. it could even be messy. reporter: globally more than 78,000 people have been infected by the virus, which has killed at least 2,300. here at home officials with the centers for disease control and prevention say a policy of containment is working for now, but they are making preparations for additional steps if the virus continues to spread. neil? neil: garrett thank you very very much well china is changing its method of counting cases of coronavirus yet again as it becomes a ghost town. the author of the coming collapse of china is gordon chang joins us right now. gordon you were among the early

doubters of almost any pieces of information we got out of china long before this , so what they are telling us now? >> certainly not. there's been for the last four or five days a decrease in the number of new cases each day , but we also heard xi-jinping the chinese ruler yesterday say that the coronavirus has not peaked. you just cannot put those two pieces of information and say they're consistent and really right now i think officials are neil: i want to show you just manufacturing numbers. they changed the methodology something this is the las vegas sun but the story illustrates twice this week, three times how weird this political year is within the last 10 days and part of it is because as you learn it's very hard to make it out more about a virus, you sort of but it's a billboard among many redefine what a case is, but that michael bloomberg is nonetheless, there's a lot of putting up around town. keep in mind he's not on the deliberate falsification going nevada ballot and this one on. neil: you're showing images from says donald trump went broke running a casino and there were woohan, which you're plenty others where he's bashing telling me is bigger than the president of the united states and i stress this because manhattan and nothing where are he's got money to burn, quite all of the people? >> this is true in a lot of easily. i'm not talking robert wall kind other cities so it's not just wu of money but very close, the

former economic advisor many han, the epicenter. other things robert wolf joining neil: well they are told to stay me right now. you know why i like that, or i indo y do have got to be careful how i frame things. he's got so much money, he could put it to work in a state in which he's not even on the ballot and i'm just wondering for those who prematurely buried him, after his debate, are they burying him too soon? >> well you and i also are in the business world. you never short michael bloomberg. right? that being said this has been a brutal week for michael bloomberg. you can't sugar coat it. he went on stage and it started off with the bernie comment and then it went right to elizabeth warren and it was like we used to call old school there's a guy whose the castle and it's like there. and he just took it for five minutes. neil: elizabeth warren you mentioned she's raised a lot of money off the debate performance but is it too little too late? >> it's not because we're only two primaries down, i would say

there's two parts of the field the billionaires that can afford as much as they want and then bernie sanders whose grassroots is just crazy. then you have everyone in the middle and biden and warren and klobuchar and mayor pete who have enough money to run a campaign. neil: klobuchar and mayor pete cancel each other out aren't they? >> what they have tried to go for is this debate moment. klobuchar had in new hampshire, warren had it in nevada, but what you really need is wins. you need wins because you have to show that you're going to be relevant and get the north of 15 % threshold so nevada is important, south carolina is going to be important and that's why i think we're underestimat ing in my opinion joe biden, because i think he's going to outperform in nevada but more importantly he's going t win south carolina. neil: when you see these national polls, i get that, but

in the latest one, he's drawing even, with bernie sanders for the african american votes, and that's his strength that is the vice president strength and supposedly not bernie sanders. it could be one of those 1968 things he wins south carolina but he barely wins it. then he's toast, right? >> i don't see it like that. i think in the moderate lane which i call that four including bloomberg no one has coalesced around anyone, for the most part bernie is a front runner probably at 40% right now and the reason he's at 40% which is higher where any of the polls has him. neil: 40% of what? >> of being the nominee and maybe higher and why is that? because you need a 15% threshold and they are going to be states that bernie and maybe only one other gets the threshold and he's going to continue to pile on delegates, and that's where the moderates get it. neil: here is whatever your political views you're very good at numbers, and everything else,

i'm kind of good at numbers and i've done spreadsheets on this. there is no way, the way things are going unless people dropout suddenly and quickly that someone has the 1,991 delegates people need to close the deal so i'm wondering at that point is the most okay? jane sanders was here saying all right even if he doesn't have the 1,991, if he's got the most, it's his, and typically that has happened in a lot of contests but they don't want bernie sanders, right? >> neil you're one of the best in the business so i never like challenging you although this week president trump may like that i challenge you that being said let's talk about numbers. neil: the 1991 thing. >> 1991 we don't know how many people other than bernie sanders is going to get north of 15 in california and north of 15 in texas. everyone else is between 12 and

20. we know he's getting north of 15 let's just say there's only two people and you split the delegates. neil: i've done it this way, this is the kind of nerd i am, because you actually know what you're doing and i've had three people in each state getting at least 15%. right, but what percent? neil: i know but i did minimal numbers and maximal numbers and no matter what season arrow i used, they arrived in milwaukee, hundreds of delegates shy, so bernie's people argue if he's in that position, and he is denied the nomination or let's say loses on the first ballot, super delegates enter the picture don't want to give him a vote there's going to be -- >> yeah, so here is the way i see it and i spoke to person it people in the last few days because i have friends that including family members that are on the bernie side, but the way that i see it is when you say plurality what are we talking about? we talking about north of 40% and evils is below 20% or are

you talking about -- neil: so the gap matters? >> and the amount matters. neil: didn't barack obama going into was it denver? in 2008 he had a sizable lead over hillary clinton but he didn't clench it. she then, you know, gave the nomination to him there, right? >> but the math did not work since 2016 for bernie nor 2008 for hillary but both got the tammy bruce it nation because they did secure the number of delegates. neil: the story of the urban legend somehow she screwed him out of that. >> not accurate. not accurate. neil: her delegates matched the popular vote but that's an urban legend. >> so as we go, what i would say to bernie and his people and all democrats because we don't know whose going to win. a plurality matters i think if the second and third place is way behind. if you're at 30% and you're the plurality with a bunch of 20 % you're way off from winning.

30% is not winning. neil: does anyone get it? i'm saying? >> right now you probably have to say bernie has a 40% chance of broker convention. neil: yes or no. that steakhouse hasn't closed yet. >> i think there will be a broker convention if i had to go yes or no. neil: so my brilliant is leading the way. >> very good. neil: in the meantime, michael bloomberg is still the former new york police commissioner who says stop apologizing, after this.

>> it is not enough to decide in the hours before you declare for president that maybe stop and frisk was a bad idea. >> mr. bloomberg had policies in new york city of stop and

frisk, which went after african american and latino people in an outrageous way. >> the policy was abhorent and it was a violation of every right people have. >> one thing that i'm really worried about, embarrassed about , was how it turned out with stop and frisk. neil: all right, well, 2020 democrats as you can see there they since continued this , piling on michael bloomberg for that controversial stop and frisk police policy, that was in place when bloomberg sued the office of the mayor of new york city and despite the criticism my next guest says the former mayor shouldn't apologize for how he handled crime in new york. he did a good job and stop and frisk was an important part of it. the former new york city police commissioner joining us via skype. always good to see you thank you for coming. >> good to see you, neil. neil: now i read a column you'd written on this essentially to say don't argue with what works

at the time, and it was very effective in reducing crime at the time. you've heard obviously commissioner a number of people saying that it was racially triggered and racially bad. you say what? >> i say it's wrong. i say that mayor bloomberg is being somewhat of a hypocrite denouncing, it's not a policy it's a tactic. it's a tactic in the police tool box, and it's very effective, for 12 years, commissioner kelly whose a great commissioner, and mayor bloomberg who was in very close touch with the commissioner kelly every day were in favor of this policy, which helped stand up new york. when i was police commissioner, we used it about 100,000 times a year, and it reduced crime 38% during my tenure, it continued to reduce crime during commissioner kelly's tenure, and for mayor bloomberg to say he's rejecting it it's just not right

that's political ex peaked yens it. neil: how did it work a lot of people are outside the new york area and other cities where variations of this stop and frisk program and it targeted african americans that's what it was about and no getting around that. do you agree with that? >> no, let's start at the beginning. the beginning is the 1968 the supreme court rule on a case about stop and frisk as long as you have reasonable suspicion you can stop, question , and if necessary, frisk somebody who you believe has committed a crime, or is in the process of committing a crime. now, the thing about racism is just not true. unfortunately, in new york and most major cities, most crimes takes place in communities of color where minorities live. if somebody tells you that a six foot two white person is going to commit a crime that's who you look for , somebody tells you

that a six foot two black person is doing it that's what you look for. the unfortunate fact and reality is that the majority of crimes that are committed in new york city are committed by people of color, but most importantly, the victims of those crimes are people of color, and in the 76 town halls that i did in new york city, when i was police commissioner i didn't hear about stop and frisk very much. i heard about putting more cops in the neighborhood to protect the public. neil: and certainly during your tenure that those who were doing the stopping and the frisking by and large were african american police officers but leaving that aside, obviously the president or michael bloomberg he should apologize for it and a good record on crime which he had, he now can't stand by and he's done this on a number of other issues as well, so depending on how you view him personally is one thing but on his performance as mayor which is pretty solid over 12

years he's doing more apologiz ing for it than bragging about it. what do you make of that? >> i think that's going to hurt him, the original title of my column which changed a little bit was first he was for it, then he wasn't. you can't run a political campaign, apologizing for something that once was a very important part of what you did as mayor. neil: by the way, i think you pointed out also favorably the african americans themself, a lot of mothers and fathers whose kids were getting caught up in all of this gun violence and they welcomed that, but go ahead, i'm sorry. >> well to this point, in 1990 there were 2,500 homicides in new york city, primarily people of color, were the victims. when i left there war 650 homicides when commissioner kelly left there was 300 and chicago had twice as many

homicides as new york city and a third of the population, so clearly, the tactic of stop and frisk is successful. are there abuses of it? of course and in any tactic there's abuses but when you look at the majority of stop a frisk, they were abusive and in fact, during my tenure and commissioner kelly's tenure, civilian complaints went down, police shootings went down and the city as most people will acknowledge, was in the renaissance and became the safest large city in america right now it's going in the other direction. neil: commissioner thank you very very much, very good seeing you. we do not hear often that probably we should. thank you, sir, be well. >> good to be with you, neil. neil: meanwhile, prince harry, meghan markle just agreed to stop using the word "royal" in their branding but will it really hurt their brand? after this.

>> ♪ we'll never be royals neil: you know, prince harry and meghan markle may still be royal s but they just agreed, with queen elizabeth, no doubt, agreed isn't the word as much as they had to take it from the queen herself, to remove " royal" from their branding, so how will this impact them as they're going rogue right now retail watcher, the queen essentially said is you wanted to vote from the palace, you can't take everything of being in the palace and profit off it outside the palace. >> exactly. neil: how will this impact them? >> well, since it's royal, as you know, that's what their brand was, they have a lot of

swag attached to that so you remember when they got married there were the megan and harry plates different things associated to that, t-shirts or whatever. neil: my wife and i do the same thing. >> exactly, so the assumption was they were going to make a lot of money off the sale of that so the queen is now saying you can't use that and i think when they were doing their business plan they had incorporated the income from the sale of that. now just to give you an example when people such as beyonce, or adele for example, go out and tour, most of their money from the tours, their concerts is made from that swag that they have, so that was a huge income source for them. neil: they don't have it now. they are still going to be print ing money though aren't they? even without the royal, what it is? >> well i was hoping to buy a pair of royal pajamas with a

monogram crest but i suppose i'll have to wait. it's true. they do have a brand name even if they don't have the logo and the brand any more, they can print money simply by turning up next to other famous people. the question is, for how long because they have to retain their value, and merely doing the voiceover and the charity dinner isn't going to be enough i fear. neil: do you think that it fades then the more they are away from the constant media attention they enjoy because certainly that was not the case with the prince's mother. she got even more famous. >> yes, so we didn't find out in a way how it would have played out if she had broken completely away from the royal family. she wanted to do that and these two are entering the realm of modern celebrity and it's a much faster, crueler business, if they're not going to have a hit quite soon with one of their plans or another, then they could find themselves on the c list.

neil: they have great marketing potential though, right? >> absolutely they just hired a huge publicity firm who represents also leonardo davinci they are gearing up to make sure that to the point they are going to market off the fact they are quasi-celebrities and they are looking at a house in malibu, california for $7 million. neil: i could have gotten them half the price. >> there you go. just gone up to the castle and hung out with them there but their speaking engagements they are said to have made harry, for example, made almost $1 million from the jpmorgan speaking engagement he did just a couple weeks ago. neil: they aren't going to be hurting for money, i want to thank you, very very much. we'll follow this and if we get any comments from the royals , and adele, if you want to weigh in on this and our selecting someone else for the song for this , please feel free. call me. more after this.

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>> all right. you can cut the tension with a, well, a breakfast buffet knife. we're couple hours of afrom the doors opening on the nevada caucuses. there are worries we could see the same problems cropping up in iowa, they're not using the same technology or smartphone app, i don't know what it is. and they're thinking what happens in nevada will be in vafgs. >> good morning, from las vegas, the sun is coming up and the democrats on the ground are vowing we will not see a repeat of what happened in iowa with that state's caucus. iowans on the ground in iowa, as you heard from many people it was a disaster as they tried to get the results put out. the democratic party in nevada say they have been making changes after what we saw in iowa. we had a chance to catch up with a senior advisor to the democrats who walked us through

what they're doing differently to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. >> we're not using that app that you know, that iowa used. we had that plan to use that app and obviously we trashed it. so, we could go with something that people have more confidence in. so we've moved from a very high-tech sort of setup for the caucuses and something that's very low tech. >> now, the national democratic party, they are on the ground here in nevada to help the state party and of course, you have to remember, unlike what happened in new hampshire, it is the individual parties that run a caucus and not the state government that does it with a primary. officials at each of the precinct caucus sites today are going to have access to an ipad. these are ipads that the state party purchased and those will be used essentially as a calculator to kind of add up the results as they go through the caucus locations and those results will then be called into the state party or that they can submit basically a screen shot

of what they are, and mail, sms to different party headquarters. nevada is doing something different than we saw in the other states. they did early voting or early caucus going earlier this week, four days of it and they saw over 75,000 people show up to caucus early. that could be a good thing, neil, because that would allow them to get a better idea how the results are going to be calculated. it's all not one last minute rush at the same time, but we'll be interested to see what happens a couple of hours from now and neil, i had a chance to speak to the same party official that we heard from, while they're hoping to get results done quickly, it's possible that it could go on for several more hours if not days to get these calculated. neil: days could be a problem. thank you, great reporting my friend. bernie sanders is defending democratic socialism as he hopes to win the contest today and president trump reaping the benefits of capitalism this week so if bernie sanders gets the nomination, could his pro

socialist message trump donald trump? and a fundraiser and donor, close confidante of barack obama, you name it. good to have you. party establishment figures i've talked to, man or woman, are saying bernie sanders gets the nomination, he's a sure loser for us yet, i can remember four years ago, a lot of republicans saying, donald trump gets the nomination and he's a sure loser for us. we know how that worked out. time and again, candidates you don't think can resonate, ronald reagan in 1980 and the carter folks thought they could tromp all over them. are republicans too gleeful at the prospect of an opponent named bernie sanders? >> yeah, they are. i think they're buying the centrist democratic party talking points. i mean, the people at the center, biden, bloomberg, even buttigieg all need voters, democrats and republicans, to believe that bernie sanders is the eventual nominee and that

bernie sanders can't beat trump. the reality is that's wrong. if you look at where millennials are, where generation x is, and where generation y, they're all looking for change and they're coming out to vote as well so that's changed to the left and changed to the right and i think a race between trump and sanders, where both are talking about change, i mean, would be pretty exciting. and i think that sanders has a competitive opportunity to give trump a run for his money. now, look, i'm a big capitalist and believe in the capitalistic system and i think that that would be how trump would frame it and that i think that capitalism wins out each time. neil: let me ask you a little about that because you know, democrats, if you think about it, were able to gain control of the house even as the economy was improving because it was improving demonstrably by that time, but they really focused like a laser beam on health care, that was a very big issue, probably the one that tipped

that race. even in a strong economy, and we have a strong economy now, much stronger, and yet, that's one that bernie sanders pushes nonstop. i don't know whether medicare for all or championing that is the answer, but i do know that that-- and health care and providing health care for everybody is a centerpiece of his campaign and i'm wondering if lightning strikes twice? >> that's a good point. i think that the challenge here is the democratic party by and large, other than, say, sanders has focused on vilifying trump and that's a message. my enemy's enemy is my friend, uniting people around a common enemy. ultimately it's idealism bringing people to the polls. americans aren't stupid, the economy is doing well and the democrats ought to acknowledge it and ought to talk about how it can be broader. and americans know they came out of eight years of a grindout

economy that did not have prosperity. this is a country of prosperity. they know that. when the voters are coming to the polls, they're looking for someone to change the status quo and move it forward and i think trump's biggest issue is his style. i think if his style were different, he would be running away with the reelection. neil: you know, i spoke earlier with jim cliburn, the majority whip and he was saying, in south carolina, he doesn't think that improvements that many african-americans have enjoyed under this president are going to translate into any more votes. he thinks just the opposite. i want you to react to this, jim cliburn earlier in the week. they're happy the way things are going, including african-americans, you don't agree with that? >> no, i don't, because i go to church with african-americans, i live with african-americans. i'm the father of african-americans and i know. >> you don't think that more of them will vote-- more african-americans will vote for the president than he's generally given credit? >> absolutely not. president trump will see a 50%

increase in his african-american support. it will go from 8% in 2016 to a minimum of 12% in 2020 and he may even get to 15% of the african-american vote. what makes you say that, senator. >> and it's game over. neil: all right. i forgot there, that we had tim scott to refute what cliburn was saying, but what do you see happening? i mean, if there's 15% more african-americans voting for the african-americans voting for the president, na that could go a long way. >> i've known jim cliburn, his brother is a friend of mine. and we disagree on this just like last time. i thought donald trump was poised last time. african-americans are if anything optimistic, we believe that america holds a great promise to our future and so, we're looking for prosperity, not socialism. we know that the economy is

working better for us because fewer of us are unemployed. we know the system is working. the key here and where cliburn and my colleagues in the democrat party ought to be focusing is how do we bring prosperity. we're now head above water and people are swimming, not struggling, treading water, they're swimming. how do we make people pros per. i think that trump is going to increase, and not 15%, but if he gets 3% more i think he's reelected. neil: always good seeing you. thank you for joining us. fair and balanced and now we've got the former republican senator with us. what do you think of that, that the president will enjoy much more african-american support, and to hear one senator tell us, 50% more. and to hear this democrat tell

it, a few percent more. >> thank you for having me back on your show. i like you and i like your show. yeah, i'm across the street from the union hall here and i made a comment that i think that if trump were to go into any union hall here in the state of nevada that he'd get a standing ovation from everybody in that room except their leadership. and i think that includes whites, african-americans, latinos, because he is creating jobs for all of them. nevada has created-- he has created tremendous amount of work and jobs here in the state of nevada. i think he's going to have-- i think he's going to have real good support. neil: you know, it's interesting in your state, senator, is what happened with the culinary workers union ultimate i will on the democrat side deciding, and i guess one reason why they didn't jump for bernie sanders was his medicare for all plan because a lot of-- leak the cadillac and related, you know, pretty good plans they have right now.

what did you make of that? >> well, first of all, i thought the culinary union didn't endorse because there's such a split right now. neil: yeah. >> as i said, i think if trump went into the culinary now he'd get a standing ovation from everybody except their leadership because he's done such a good job, but it's amazing to me, and i'll make this point, i've made it before, is that i think bernie sanders wins in nevada today, if we get the results today. i doubt that that's what's going to happen. neil: do you really? you think that maybe these results are going to be delayed like they were in iowa? >> i'm the former secretary of state here in nevada, i can't imagine changing the process three times, three times and the last time just within the last 48 hours, and think you're going to have results on that day. we may be talking about nevada on super tuesday. neil: oh, my goodness. >> still trying to figure out what the results are going to be, having said that-- >> and that would dispense with the whole caucus approach to these campaigns, what do you think? >> you've got a good point there and we'll let someone else

decide that, but the fact is, as you were talking and i've been listening to your show about medicare for all, you know, china has medicare for all, right? how well is that working for china right now? >> that's a very good points. >> and still, we still have the millennials and generation x and all that still supporting bernie and yet you're watching what's going on with this coronavirus. i don't understand why that's such a big draw right now when chinese has the health care that bernie is pushing. neil: real quickly and i'll let you go. i appreciate you coming in, this idea that health care could be a very big issue for democrats. i was mentioning to a couple of my prior guests, democrats picked up the house pushing it, even in the face of the dramatically improving our economy, and maybe bernie sanders is crazy like a fox by pushing it now sensing i'm not going to talk about the jobs numbers inarguable under this president and market gains made. his approach might not be, but republicans don't have a plan and they look silly by

comparison on that issue. >> right, right, well, first of all, i think you're right with one thing, neil, and that is even democrats are saying you're not going to fight trump on the economy. the amount of jobs and wage increases and all that. but i also agree with you that we have to solve this health care issue. i don't think we go to china's program, but i do think that health care is a-- is one of the number one issues of states and here in the state of nevada, also, it's an issue that needs to be discussed and resolved. neil: you might have the bumper sticker to do it. they have it in china see how it works out. >> see how well that's going. neil: thank you for being here on a saturday. and from the diamond princess, escaped, and my next guest, her husband was not so lucky. i want you to meet her next.

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starting to hit companies around the world, including right here in the us of. a. apple among those, the most dramatically putting invests on edge. hey, jackie. >> good to see you, neil. it was a wild week for the markets as renewed concerns over the coronavirus put a chilling effect on the market. the dow shed 400 points and there seemed to be complacency on wall street when it came to the virus and stocks that they were continuing on the record runs. the notion that the virus was spreading outside of china in a serious way and the idea that maybe chinese officials aren't being transparent about what's actually happening on the ground, pushed investors to tell stocks from record levels. apple with the first quarter with the revenue hit because the supply chain is basically in china and the tech stocks and nike, adidias, sportsware companies, you can see them

there. and fears that air travel and the same with cruise ships. if the virus becomes a pandemic, it will have a chilling effect on the overall economiment we saw it with sars, which estimated to cost companies $40 billion globally. there was one outlier, coca-cola, could see an earnings hit of a penny or two in the first quarter, but reaffirmed its full year guidance indicating wasn't too concerned. so that's one to watch. the bottom line at this, stocks sold off and investors flew to safety in gold and bonds and treasury yellield lower than th three month lead and invests are worried about recession. neil: we've seen these bumps and oddities before, but if it's long, we'll see. my next guest under quarantine in nebraska. she was evacuated from that princess diamond cruise ship in japan. 11 of the 13 evacuated at that facility have the coronavirus,

including her husband. she's one of the lucky ones so far who does not. and how are you doing? >> i'm glad, but can you repeat that number? i've not heard that. neil: okay. i have that 11 of the 13 have the coronavirus right now. >> yes, yes, and i'm one that does not. neil: you're one of the two that does not. what are you doing there? i mean, how are they dealing with that spreading? >> well, i'm totally isolated and i can't even open my door, so and when they come in, they come in with hazmat suits so they've got it covered here, where so much more comfortable here and not catching it than on the ship. neil: what are your facilities like there, if you don't mind my asking. >> it's like a large dorm at a college with a treadmill and some workout equipment and a little refrigerator, that's about it. neil: yeah, i remember before, i mean, you're actually one who uses the treadmill and it's not

just a decoration as it is at my house. >> yes, i do. neil: how do you keep yourself busy? what do you do throughout the day? >> well, we own a radio station in california so i'm on the phone with my staff half the day. i get up and workout like i normally do, and i'm talking to more friends and family on the phone than i ever have and face-timing them and the day goes by. before you know it it's bedtime and there's my room. neil: how is the food? >> the food is okay. the food is okay. and my husband's getting incredible care. his fever ended up coming back, he got it, went away and it came back again. so today would be the third day that we're praying that it doesn't come back. neil: i hope it works out. i mean, you don't obviously have a chance to see him so you're getting the updates and they're conveyed to you. how is he putting up with all of this? >> we're both making the best of it. i mean, we just have to. he doesn't feel that bad so that makes it, you know, this is one

of those things where even when he had a fever, other than the first time, he didn't realize he had a fever, it just hits people and my girlfriend that's still stuck in japan, she has no symptoms and is still testing positive. neil: now, let me ask you about how long they think you're going to be there because we've heard of quarantine times that have been extended at other locals. what's the latest you're hearing? >> well, i was a little shocked yesterday. i thought our first day, which was last monday counted and the gentleman that was walking on the airplane now told me yesterday that we won't be released till the 2nd and cannot fly out until the 3rd. now, if carl gets two consecutive clear tests, he could be home before me. >> oh, wow. >> because, yeah, it's really interesting and same with my girlfriend. if she can do two tests that she's clear, she can go home

before the quarantine period is up. now her husband and i have to go through the whole 14 days no matter what. neil: wow. well, great attitude. you're the only one that i know of who is working through all of this. so god bless you for all of that. jeri, hang in there, my best to your husband. i'm sure it's going to work out. you have a book here somewhere in this. i'm waiting for it, all right? >> okay, thanks so much. have a great day. neil: you, too. taking you to las vegas right now, the candidates are there and it's caucus day of course and this is an amy klobuchar event. she's been raising some money and not nearly bloomberg type money, but money on debate performances and that and watching that closely and nevada closely. you're watching cavuto live. ♪ upbeat music

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>> the idea that we have a tax rate for corporate america at 21 #%. >> for congress, we can't just order it, to roll back the tax cuts that the trump administration put in. >> that's something a maturity of americans support, a 2% wealth tax. it's a question of value. >> a wealth tax, elizabeth has a good one. i was tougher on mr. bloomberg. neil: taxes are going up under any one of these candidates, the question is really by how much. that's the message and the president's people like to say, if that's your cup of tea, drink away. all right, back with us right now on all of in, we have daniel garza, robert wilk, and herzog. and daniel, what the trump folks are saying to a man or a woman, they're going to raise taxes. if this is what you want, kiss

the rally, the economy goodbye. it's all about productivity and the incentives. if raising taxes would increase productivity i'd be all for it, but it doesn't. and we want people to keep the money in their pockets, more tax cuts in the productive sector as opposed to drawing the productive sectors into-- >> how does it raise productivity? i'm confused. if you look at how these corporations, with their tax cuts, all of a sudden hiring is going up, people are spending more because they feel better about the economy. i cover retail and consumer spending and look how people have been spending in the last year and a half to two years since the president has come in here and i'm not saying-- there are other things that he's done very wrong, but at the same time the way that people are able to spend and they feel freer to spend. >> absolutely. making the case for tax cuts. >> okay. >> i am saying that the more corporations have the ability to keep their money, the more we unleash the private sector to

innovate, hire, buy equipment. again, you're going to increase productivity. neil: let me ask you about that. i think that biden is the more conservative of the hikers here. i think he wants to return the corporate rate, not to 35%, but to 28% from 21%. it's still a matter of raising taxes over 10 years, about $5 trillion and that's less than some of the others. what do you think of that? >> i think there's a different debate. i think it did trickle down the way we thought and-- >> there goes that term again, more permeation than trickle down. >> let me finish my point and i'm happy to debate it. i don't believe that trickle down worked because it was supposed to pay for itself. right. they thought that economic growth would be 4, 5%, if you actually look at it over the last three years, it's been deminimus. >> and the president blames the federal reserve for that.

>> and it was supposed to because tax revenues were going to grow. >> the consumer is doing great. by the way, the consumer did great before the great recession, we had consumer debt go up. we had household debt go up. we had individual debt go up and by the way-- >> a completely different spending, it was a completely different spending era before the great recession. >> we have more debt now and we have a higher-- >> and isn't the problem on both party's part and they spent and then some? >> absolutely, spending is a huge problem. that being said, we can't just look at consumer numbers and say, okay, the economy is doing well because manufacturing has slowed down. >> it's a tough argument to make to people, record low-- >> take a look at minority communities, neil. the lower quintile of the economy, the ones getting the highest wage increases in america. record labor participation for latinos and-- >> when you're coming from a low income level, any increase exponentially gets a percentage. >> what we're seeing for the

first time latinos have gone above the 50,000 household income marker. neil: do you think that more latinos vote for the president this go round as a result? >> i think the numbers are going to rise. neil: we had guests on talking about the african-american voters that that could go up substantially. how about the latinos? >> and i think in the previous election donald trump was making the case how he would govern and we have at results and this economy has shown an economic boom that have benefitted minorities across the board. of course-- >> they might jump over? >> well, i think it comes down to which candidate is going to be able to perpetuate this economy that the economy is going to grow. to be quite honest, if you have a candidate saying we're going to impose a-- what was bernie sanders saying like 95% tax at one point on corporations or something in the 90's? that's not going to fly. however, if you have a candidate like michael bloomberg that's in the same realm as someone like donald trump, i think he may-- >> but he's not. he has his features that takes some of these candidates

pretty-- >> a wealth tax. >> can we talk about wages for a second? i want to reply to you. inflation based wages, you have to look at reflation base, we pay for food, health care, wage growth the last three years under president trump is .8%. the last three years under president obama wage inflation was 1.8%. 1.8's greater than .8, real wage base. the other thing is, we're talking about a 17 cents per dollar increase wage. do you think that increases taxes is going to help? >> i'm not raising my hand for increasing taxes-- >> i'm raising my hands for tax reform. >> we're not talking tax reform. we used to have a thing pay as you go. you have to pay for what you're spng, 0 being, we don't do that anymore, so we should have a tax reform where actually we should be trying to reduce our deficit and we should actually, in pie opinion-- >> there's no interest on the part of either party to do that.

>> i think there is. i think a bunch of democrats and republicans that have been talking about-- >> there always have been but not in the numbers you need. >> here is one thing, about a minimum tax on corporations. fw you make x billions of dollars you pay a minimum of 10%. >> haven't they been talking about that since the '80's? >> i think the americans are weary of centralizing more money, more power in the hands of washington d.c. we should reduce regulations and reduce the amount of taxation going to washington d.c. >> were you for a farm bailout? >> of course, the cronyist system in washington d.c., they're picking the winners and losing etalking about centralizing more power. >> you were for the farm bailout. >> no, no not for the farm bailout. neil: i was confused there. we saved time by talking over one another.

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>> all right. you're looking live at las vegas and amy klobuchar event. her debate performance got a little more money in the coffers for her even though she wasn't exactly elizabeth warren. she did put in body blows against mayor pete and maybe they canceled each other out. be that as it may, she's one of

the candidate that has about $3 million cash on hand and that's getting to be a very, very big issue because no matter how well she does, she doesn't have a lot of free flow cash to do much. so a good performance in nevada or better than expected performance could make a big difference to a candidate like her. meanwhile, after getting hammered after the debate, michael bloomberg is now saying that three former female workers at his company can be released from their nondisclosure agreements, so-called nda's you hear about. but that may not be enough for one of his democratic rivals, lucas tomlinson has more on this. >> this began after "the washington post" published details of sexism at companies, and the issue carried over in the debate this week. >> we have a very few nondisclosure agreements. >> how much of this? >> excuse me, let me finish.

>> nothing accused me of anything maybe than they didn't like a joke i told and let me-- >> two days after the debate and amid rising pressure, the former new york mayor says they will release three women from nondisclosure agreements, and they've accused him of remarks and not all are satisfied. >> it's just not good enough. michael bloomberg needs to do a blanket release so that all women who have been muzzled by nondisclosure agreements can step up and tell their side of the story. >> bloomberg, the former lifetime democrat who became a republican when running for mayor and then independent, and now democrat again, issued the following statement, quote, if any of them want to be released from their nda so they can talk about their allegations they should contact the company and they will be given a release. as of this morning none of the three women have come forward to

be identified. the other issue that continues to dog bloomberg is stop and frisk with police when he was mayor of new york. neil: thank you. and after the nevada caucuses 2020 candidates will head to south carolina for a big debate out of the state's primary there. michael bloomberg will be thereafter being bashed at the nevada debate, take a look. >> i'd like to talk about who we're running against, a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse-faced lesbians, and no, i'm not talking about donald trump, i'm talking about mayor bloomberg. >> mayor bloomberg who thinks he can buy this election. >> we have a grotesque and immoral distribution in wealth and income. mike bloomberg owns more wealth than the bottom 125 million americans. neil: and a little ralph cramdon feel to it. and can he rescue himself?

and asking john tapper who has helped many business, bar and restaurant owners in complete duress. so you're the goo i-- the guy right now, i don't know anybody better to rescue a fumbling business or career. how would you advise michael bloomberg? >> first of all, neil. brands aren't what they want to be, they're what they do. when we look at political ads, they're presenting the candidate as they want to be presented, it's a packaged brand. yet when we see bloomberg on stage, that's the true brand doing what it does and a brand can't escape what it does. it can try to change image, but what it does is, in fact, the brand. and when we take a look at bloomberg, the nda issue, that's his brand. and when we see the brand portrayed based on how it acts is very revealing and it's very difficult to overcome that in the spot. but then we can take a look at, neil, remember volkswagen, the

samsung galaxy, look what they recovered as a brand. >> that's right. >> first of all, you need to act like a winner, you've got to have the bounce, the movement, animation and right now bloomberg doesn't act like a winner, he doesn't have that energy. the other thing about a brand. there are two elements, neil, first you've got to trust it, that it has integrity and it's honest with you. the neck next thing you need to do is believe in it. and when you talk about trust and you see a gap between a political ad and the actual behavior of the politician, that breaks down the trust and now, what the brand does doesn't matter anymore because you don't trust it. if you trust the brand, then the next step is, what does that brand mean to me, does it connect with my identity and goals for myself? bloomberg has a huge issue and it cannot be resolved by commercials. it needs to be resolved by what he does.

and i'm not sure he has the time to accomplish that, neil. he has to harness the media, without commercials, acting like himself and i'm not sure that's going to happen. you know, the tank and dukakis comes to mind. you remember that one. neil: i do, indeed. >> that was such a disconnect for what he was, trust broke down. and he won't portraying himself honestly. neil: and when i look at it, the fact that he had a very successful record as mayor of new york, but because of controversial issues like stop and frisk, he's built it on apologies over a record that was arguably pretty solid. he's in a no win situation there, right? >> he's really in a no-win situation carpeted with ads. neil: how would you advise him? >> get out in the media as much as he can in a nonformatted way. he needs to let his personality out.

and what he is is what his brand is. right now there's a disconnect and nobody trusts the commercials that we saw for bloomberg was not the bloomberg we saw on stage. with the trust broken down, what he wants to do doesn't matter anymore. we don't believe in what he's saying. he deceived us and that's the last thing that people believe right now. neil: yeah, you don't get the second chance to make a first impression. we'll see. >> no, and you need time, neil. he needs time to accomplish that. i'm not sure they have the time and certainly before super tuesday he doesn't have the time. neil: very interesting. thank you, john. good seeing you again, continued success. >> thank you, neil, good to see you. neil: and the vegas division on this caucus that's raising some eyebrows after this. transitions light under control.

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>> all right. one way or the other, it's going to happen. nevada caucuses are about to kick off and you may be wondering what happens in the event of a tie. it happens in brief things and all that. correspondent griff jenkins is

at henderson, nevada with just that possibility. sir. >> hey, neil, it's going to come down to a good old deck of cards, are prepare for nevada. first, let me give you insight on the ground because those doors are going to open in about an hour at this location and 250 across the state, and the confidence level is very low, at least here. precinct chair here who did not want to go on camera, i asked him how confident are you? could it happen in iowa? he said i'm not at all because you have young people to get involved which is a good thing and they lack the experience. we'll see what happens. if we get to a die breaker, here is how they resolve it. two or more preferred groups get locked in a tie, the democratic nevada party will give each chair at every location give a deck of unopened cards. now, those cards will be opened and shuffled by a precinct chair at least seven times. then each party will draw a

card, the high card determines the winner and it's aces high. here you have it, assuming this was shuffled, and you're tied, and you had to draw a card, well, there you go. but what happens if both parties drew the same card? well, it would then defer to the suit and you have spades would win first, followed by hearts, diamonds, and clubs, as i just held up, would be the loser. neil. neil: somehow, griff, i don't think our founding fathers envisioned settling elections on the basis of a deck of cards, but then again, you never know. >> you never know. i'll tell you this, they're worried that they'll get this card situation, but even more so about the counting of the caucus and they of course scrapped the app, they had a google application and they're scrapping that and referring to traditional means of dialing it in with a telephone, and texting a picture of the results to the

headquarters. neil. neil: what you're saying is the deck could be stacked against them? that the deck-- >> that's for sure. only find out whether luck will be a lady here. neil: you're quite the card. i've run out of tacky jokes. thank you, my friend, you're the best. griff jenkins in the middle of that. that was a very good exmra-- explanation. and some are remembering this 40 years ago today. do you? meet the captain that made it happen.

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>> 40 years ago we were combatting, excuse me, a second oil crisis in this country. ted kennedy was campaigning for the democratic nomination to challenge jimmy carter in 1980,

john lennon would be killed, but middle of that, there would be this. >> 11 seconds, you've got 10 seconds, the countdown going on right now. five seconds left in the game. do you believe in miracles? yes! >> unbelievable! >> 40 years ago today, joining me now the captain of the 1980 miracle on ice team and the author of making the of the miracle, the untold story of the captain, winning gold, u.s. hockey team. mike, it's an honor. >> thank you very much, thanks for having me on. neil: there were eiconic moment in sports and politics and it pierced the nation's mood. you know, mike, no one gave you or the guys a shot, but somehow

you thought they did have a shot and that was half the battle, wasn't it? >> i think so. you know, i've always told people, first of all, if you think you're going to lose, you probably will. you know, we knew it was going to be a hard game and going to be difficult, but that's why you play and you know, we were confident, we believed in ourselves and clearly and we believed in each other. when you have that kind of a mindset, you know, anything can happen and yes, like i said, we knew it was going to be hard, but we were able to come together as a team and able to accomplish something amazing. neil: sometimes -- you've written about this, the idea there's a benefit to being an underdog or dismissed and most people don't think you have a chance anyway and you're proving something to yourself. how did you get them psyched for this moment? >> when you play with great teammates it's pretty easy to do that, we had a team of leaders. we had a team obviously of some pretty good hockey players, but i think when you surround yourself with guys who believe and willing to work hard. for six months we came together

and accomplished the mindset. in order for us to be successful we had to come together as a group and herb did an amazing job of preparing us and having us ready to play that game and not only that game, but two days later against finland. it's a tribute to the teammates. neil: we forget that wasn't the championship. >> right. neil: when you were meeting the russians, then the soviets, they had, you know, they were like these beasts and they were kind of dismissing you out of hand and there would be a lot of physical tension. relive that for me. >> well, you know, for us, it was a hockey game. we had an opportunity-- when you put a usa jersey on, it's a special feeling and it's a great honor and i think our time took great pride in that. the political end of it, we didn't realize that until after the games were over. 40 years later we've realized not only a great moment for us as a team, but it was a great moment for a nation and you know, we were able to do something not to feel good for

ourselves, but feel good for our country. like i said, we didn't know, but when we get out there realize it's pretty special. neil: they always talk about you, and everything i've read, your energy and enthusiasm was contagious and couldn't be around you and not. and with the country, not only dealing with the recession and there was a constant grinding, maybe america didn't have it anymore, ronald reagan was running for president, jimmy carter was dealing with the hostage crisis and is a sense, it was drudgery, maybe america wasn't what it was, and that victory, was a seminal turning point. do you get that? >> all the time. depending on their age, people will come up to me across the country when i travel and they'll say i remember where i was when we won. neil: wow. >> i remember where i was when kennedy was assassinated and challenger and 9/11 and they're

all tragic events and they'll say, i remember where i was when we won and i always say we, i said i didn't know you were on the team, but that's what it felt like, they felt a part of it, a moment that captured the spirit of the nation and like i said we didn't know, we were just playing a game and so fortunate and blessed to see that it touched so many people's lives in a good way. neil: you've always been an inspiration for those heavy underdog, the sport, politics, what have you. any words of advice of those who are underdogs today in any capacity? >> i just think you've got to believe. you've got to have faith, you've got to have trust. clearly, you have to have respect. i think those are values that are important in our hockey team in that locker room. we trusted each other, we respected each other, we worked together as a group. we had one common goal and that goal was to be the best and to be successful and we were. neil: it was iconic performance as were you, mike, would not have happened without you ap the guys and thanks for the

memories, i hope they live on. >> neil, thanks. neil: fox continues. t hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa

>> the countdown is now on in nevada. democratic presidential hopefuls making their final push in the state today. now just hours before the caucuses begin. the candidates, they're fighting for 36 delegates today and the big question on everyone's minds now, is this process going to go smoothly or is it going to be an iowa 2.0? we'll find out as the day progresses. welcome to america's news headquarters, great to be with you leland. and with everyone at home, i'm gillian turner. leland: seems like you would have to try to get it