other. sing the relationship between the u.s. and india better than ever. >> ed: we are landing this plane, doing pretty well. [laughs] >> sandra: that was tuesday. >> ed: back tomorrow, right at it. >> sandra: "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert for you now, bernie sanders and joe biden locked in a tight race heading to the pivotal south carolina primary. ahead of the next democratic debate tonight, a new poll in south carolina south carolina showing biden nearly beating sanders among likely voters, but still within the margin of error. this, as sanders is doubling down on his praise of one of the late fidel castro's programs in cuba despite pushback from both sides of the aisle. watch this. >> a lot of folks in cuba at that point who were illiterate. he formed a literacy brigade. you may remember that. they help people learn to read and write.

you know what? i think teaching people to read and write is a good thing. i have been extremely consistent and critical of all authoritarian regimes all over the world, including cuba, including nicaragua, including saudi arabia, including china, including russia. [applause] i happen to believe in democracy, not of authoritarianism. >> melissa: interesting. but sanders' 2020 rivals pouncing. a campaign rival saying he "seems to have found more inspiration in them than america. his admiration for elements of castro's dictatorship or at least willingness to look past cuba's human rights violations is not just dangerous, it's deeply offensive to the many people in florida, new jersey, and across the country, fled persecution and sought refuge in the united states.

and pete buttigieg says his comments should alarm democrats, warning tha of the controversies that may come from his nomination. love to dig into. this is "outnumbered," and harris faulkner i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. dagen mcdowell, syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. in the center seat today, retired u.s. marine corps bomb technician and fox news contributor joey jones. and he is "outnumbered." thanks for being here. i will come to you first, my friend. what do you think of his clean up there? did that clarify things for you? it was a good reading program. >> joey: i didn't need it to be clarified, i know how he stands on this. every time he talks about this, these great things happen. then there's the big "but," and then after that, "i don't endorse this authoritarian message." when he fails to link together is you don't get one without the other. you don't get in the entire situation to give over its

livelihood, businesses, land to the state, if you don't do it in an authoritarian way. if you collect everything come of course you can dole it back out. but then you take away things like liberty and freedom and choice, self-determination. at the end of the day, it's a lot different to do stuff on an island of tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands or a few million people than in the united states of america. >> melissa: where it didn't even work, or else people wouldn't literally be dying to come here. >> joey: it's a flight to south florida to understand how it works. i'll pay for it. i know bernie is not paying so well, but i will pay for them to take a flight to florida, and hang out with marco rubio, talk to a few people. >> melissa: that's who was really offended by this, people whose families have fled these different regimes. dagen, it seems like the point he is making is that it's not the theory that was bad, it's not socialism. it's the hands that happen to be in that didn't work out. as opposed to realizing that it's the philosophy that actually corrupts, that humans

are motivated by self interest and this sort of socialism always ends in a situation like cuba. >> dagen: but he actually has backed and supported those very tyrants, those very dictators who rose to power because of these corrupt, destructive socialist regimes. as recently as january of 2003, bernie sanders wrote a letter, signed a letter of support for hugo chavez in venezuela. this is when basically people were being killed in the streets of the country. back in '85, he visited nicaragua, the soviet backed leader daniel ortega was called by bernie sanders "impressive." and he said it made sense for that regime to suppress newspapers. just a little correction from "the wall street journal" editorial page on castro, that before the cuban revolution in 1959, 80% of cuba could read. they were much further ahead than other countries in

latin america, their neighbors there. they wrote this. "the difference is that countries like ecuador and colombia, those that came from much further behind, the improved literacy without having to totally transform society with firing squads, dungeons, torture, and exile." what he's been pretty clear that's what he supports, bernie sanders. >> melissa: what i've heard from democrats, you always know you are losing don't make the argument when they say, "trump is worse." what about kim jong un? >> leslie: not the democrats and having cocktails with on the weekends, myself included. i lived in south florida in the late '80s, early '90s. i have girlfriends who were raped bite castro's army. that is not and do the torture, the beatings, the rapes, the unlawful imprisonment, the starvation that occurred with those people. i saw people climbing on the beach that swam from boats in miami in the late '80s, early '90s, and so many people did.

i'm sorry, you can't say "i'm a democratic socialist," and that it's not a socialist. and that that's not a communist. and then praise not just communism but a dictator and a communism regime. i'm sorry. >> harris: i'm glad you said that last part, and i am brokenhearted about what you said in the first part. because that is the history we are so aware of. in this country and around the world. >> leslie: correct. >> harris: it should leave us brokenhearted to hear it again and know it happened. you and i got into a heated back-and-forth last night on the air when he said, "just take the socialist part out and you will like his policies just fine." now you see what i was trying to get to you to understand. >> leslie: i don't think that was me. >> harris: that was you, we recued and played it again. when you go to the c-span youtube channel and look at 1991, june 13th was the last one i watched yesterday. he was saying some of the same things back then. you cannot change a man but to change them out of diapers.

my mother taught me that. you cannot change bernie sanders. this is who he is. look, as some in your party completely embrace this, great. but we are telling me is some of you having those cocktails on a saturday night don't. what are you going to do with bernie sanders a second time around, if he continues to gain like he did in 2016? >> leslie: this is exactly the conversation i have. when you have the polls show that over 80% of nafta, 84%, or angry -- when you have the exit polls and prior to the primaries, that the majority of voters across the board, the number one thing they want is not policy, they want trump to be a one-term president, who, up until the one poll recently, they said, "who could be that person? joe biden." and he's leading nationally. he will be leaving in a state, it starts to drop. but why aren't those voters showing up for the caucuses in the primaries to vote for him to if not him, to vote for someone -- >> harris: you think

bernie sanders is their second choice? >> leslie: no. i do think -- look, i'm a democrat. would i vote for bernie sanders over trump? yes. i will not stay home, because i know how privileged i am as an american to have a vote. >> dagen: sanders is leading in california, texas, north carolina, and virginia. >> harris: dagen, that's what he wants to change the system and not have the delegate count as much of the peer vote. because he knows how populated those places are. >> melissa: meanwhile, would that mean? bernie sanders releasing a fact sheet on how he plans to pay for a sweeping government proposals. his plans include eliminating health tax expenditures, which he said it would no longer be necessary under medicare for all, raising the top marginal tax rate to 52% on income over $10 million, reducing defense spending by more than $1.2 trillion, and much more. dagen, i thought this fact is really interesting. david asman said it a little while ago and i went to go look it up. according to the brookings institute at a couple other

places, if you look at the wealth of all americans right now, all assets minus all liabilities of everyone, it is $98 trillion. bernie sanders' plans, according to a lot of people who have added it up over ten years, is $97 trillion. do you think that's a coincidence that it's almost exactly the same number? if you confiscated everything everyone has come of the rich and the poor, everything , it exactly equals what he needs. isn't that interesting? >> dagen: it's interesting, i think it is a "coinkidink" because he's bad at math. he said medicare for all alone is about $30 trillion, but the revenue he identified for it in the new outline is $17.5 trillion. so his math is not adding up there. i want to point out for all the seniors across this country, your medicare gets fooled into this new medicare for all plan. the only way the math works, one, you have to double all the

taxes collected by the government from both individuals and corporations. but the only way medicare for all works in terms of money is to cut all provider care payments down to the medicare reimbursement level, which is 40% lower than private insurance rates. so that means you aren't going to get to go to the doctor you want to. you won't be seen for that busted knee for weeks, if not months. it means rationing. but they are trying to characterize this as "the new deal," that he's the new fdr. >> melissa: joey, do you think people realize you have to confiscate every dime from every person in this country to pay for this? >> joey: it depends on those who are talking about. for those who work every day and i already have a couple busted needs and can't be seen for them at the va, yes. i am ecstatic. i'm raised in a family with the only thing we invested in was dinner tomorrow. new banking accounts, no savings, nothing like that. a couple hundred dollars stashed away was an amazing thing for us. we never felt vindictive to those on the other side of town

about it. our entire livelihood was based on if we worked a little bit harder, that can be us. look at me now, right? the point is, no matter your path there, the country gives you that promise. there is a path. when you attack those that have taken advantage of it, which is what this feels like, even the poorest people in this country see this as an attack on them. the whole reason we have this whole social contract is to help one another, protect what's theirs, and sap each other from taking it. if you try and be the government taking it, everyone will coalesce around it. i don't believe in a million years bernie sanders, with that specific message, can win the presidency. i have to believe that because i believe in this country. >> harris: i believe we should just end the show right there. all right, everybody, thank you. your personal story is so powerful and it is the story of so many americans. the key parts that yokes us to give his dream part. i don't hear that coming from bernie sanders or the likes of bernie sanders. something really resonated for me in that "60 minutes" interview.

when anderson cooper said to him, "so, you would take away --" i'm paraphrasing -- "you would take away everybody's health care?" they didn't seem to be a problem with that for bernie sanders. in terms of your personal, private health care you have now, the doctor you want to go to, those things. so at least he's not saying you can keep your doctor, because that wouldn't be true. >> leslie: what bothers me is that even democrats aren't saying -- and maybe somebody will say tonight -- price tag aside, it's not going to pass. it won't pass in the current demographic of the house even with the democratic majority. >> harris: it would need to change. >> leslie: it's not going to pass. the current house and senate -- >> dagen: that's your bumper sticker? "elect me, most of my plans will never get past." >> leslie: this is something voters need to be aware of. we can quibble dollars and cents but it won't pass. >> harris: you think they should vote for bernie sanders anyway? >> leslie: i think people should vote for whoever they choose to vote for, but medicare for all, his specific programs and ways to pay for it, others

on that side of the stage have said it doesn't add up, it hurts the middle class, and it's not going to pass. >> melissa: on that note, it has happened again. another mike bloomberg audiotape resurfacing. how it could put him in more hot water with democrats. plus, the bitter standoff in washington over fighting the coronavirus, as the number of cases outside china spikes, and markets here and abroad tumble. >> the administration last night issued an emergency budget requests. it was too little and too late. a musical my fellow veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped to near 50 year lows. call newday usa. one call can save you $2000 a year. with the newday va streamline refi there's no income verification, no appraisal and no out of pocket costs. and my team can close your loan in as little as 30 days. one call can save you $2000 every year.

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funding to fight the deadly coronavirus. democrats are saying it's not enough, as he accused the administration of not being prepared. >> officials of the world health organization are now warning world governments to prepare for a pandemic. but here in the united states, the trump administration has been caught flat-footed. the administration has no plan. the trump administration has shown towering and dangerous incompetence when it comes to the coronavirus. >> harris: you may know the president has spent a couple days in india, and in fact before he left he had some choice words for the senate democratic leader. watch this. >> i see that chuck schumer criticized, that it should be more. if i gave more, he would say it should be less. automatic. i know these characters, they are just not good for our country. >> harris: a bitter back and forth coming as the dow jones is down nearly 300 points today

after plunging a thousand yesterday. coronavirus cases where spiking in italy and south korea. yesterday was the dow's worst day in two years, wiping out 2020s gain so far this year. it's early, it's february. look, those numbers are already starting to come back. what do you make of this of this back-and-forth that senator schumer has -- if he has the answer to coronavirus, i wish she would just throw that out there. >> joey: this is a little bit of "win at all costs" in politics. i think the budget was $2.5 billion the president asked for. it seems like schumer's response is "too little, too late." or, "because you didn't have the right plan for what happened in china." now we punish the president by punishing the american people for not providing funding. this could become a pandemic. the strategies all politics and very little substance, very little policy to help the american people. he should absolutely say, "no, let's do $4 billion and do it this way." at least offer an answer. but when your response is too little, too late, you look petty

and lichen on the side of the american people. >> harris: the politics are really bad optics for anybody. when i had kellyanne conway, advisor to the president and the white house, on yesterday, i said, "can we please set politics aside while we talk about the document" which is that that moment plunging. >> melissa: i saw that, too. we talk about with the nutrition is doing. he can't wipe away those facts. they put a task force to get a very early on. the president was stopping back stopping back-and-forth lights through the state department and working with the cdc, early on. saying, "you know what? we have to look at the flight situation coming out of china." he was already taking a lot of criticism for that. there is no right in this except that we are taught doll not caught in the middle of the american people. can we take the politics out? >> leslie: we could if they were responding to the right thing. >> harris: how do we know they haven't? >> leslie: just like we had money before that was appropriated from one federal budget for the military, for the

wall, that's the concern of democrats. that is money that would be appropriated, almost $3 billion, which is i insufficient -- it's not just the dollar amount, it's the way it could be appropriated to something else. that's a problem for democrats more so. if this were specifically and solely for coronavirus, democrats would be -- >> joey: give them the parameters, give him the left and right lateral limits. when you just talk about, "oh, the president is terrible because he didn't plan for this," it's the ultimate cheap shot in politics." "let's not give you any money to do anything about it." >> leslie: but when you have legislation that comes forward that you don't agree with, you don't stand up and say, "this is why we are not signing it, this is why we don't agree with it?" >> melissa: one thing i think that is interesting about this that a lot of people haven't considered is, what have you been doing for the past few years? we've been decoupling ourselves from china. even trying to move away from

them as a supply chain. the president has been flapping on tariffs, which you tax the things you want to discourage. trying to get companies to move away. we saw that. you look at nintendo, dell, has rho. the list of companies trying to get away that might blunt the negative impact on the u.s. economy because all of these companies have already started moving away. so now as you see this panic and you can't get stuff out of china, maybe people don't want to buy stuff from china, as it flew down they are not in the factories, the companies that state are the ones in the most trouble. >> harris: if i could just stop and then once i can and -- he looked at from a sickles yesterday, gilead was a green spot when everything else was red because it's looking for some sort of a treatment program now. >> dagen: has already started. it's called rimmed is severe -- it's starting innebraska. >> harris: we have the big by a containment center there. a lot of the drugs we would normally leave under this point

are manufactured, as i've been reading, and china. it's great that we are preparing for the coming storm in terms of finances of the china and decoupling. we don't want to decouple to the point we don't want to get pharmaceuticals out of the country from their plans. it's complicated. >> dagen: i think it's roughly 80% of active ingredients in pharmaceuticals are coming out of china. you said is a cheap shot in politics what chuck schumer is doing. no, it's the worst of the worst. it's the worst of the cheap. because he's using the suffering of more than 80,000 people. ten times the number of people had sars, and the deaths of 2700 people, for his own political gain. he's trying to frighten the american people. scaring the american people as if nothing is getting anything done. i want to point this out, this is from "the washington post" at the beginning of february. at the department of human services, moving ahead, notify congress a need to transfer $136 million in funding to up

the preparedness for the coronavirus. additional money would address -- we've got a vast government infrastructure. cdc, office of global affairs, these within hhs, and "the washington post" wrote, "the quiet but proactive effort to obtain more money reflects the white house's response to the coronavirus. they sought to downplay the risk, the white house did come into the public while working behind the scenes to bolster the government's response, because you don't want to create panic. which is what chuck schumer is trying to do for his own political gain. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i don't think he's trying to create panic. i think the panic is coming out of false information that comes out of china, that comes into this country. >> harris: or noninformation. >> leslie: . people think coronavirus is in corona, or if you drink a modelo

are going to be cured. >> harris: nobody thinks that! >> melissa: this has been the security threat for a long time. we talked about it on fox business. last factory closed, this is a big problem we have to fix. >> harris: it is. we will move on. president trump is taking aim at sonya sotomayor just hours after calling for her recusal for trump-related cases. is this a growing showdown? plus, newly-surfaced audiotape from 2016 shows mike bloomberg taking shots at democrats, including then-president obama. the campaign's response, the potential 2020 impact, and so much more. more tapes on mike bloomberg. ♪

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>> melissa: 2020 democratic mike bloomberg facing controversy yet again, as more of his past remarks resurface. the latest audio from 2016, in which the former new york mayor takes aim at the left, including current rival elizabeth warren as well as then-president obama. take a listen

>> melissa: hmm. the bloomberg campaign defending the common saying, "we hear in these remarks is a combination of jokes and detailed legislations of ways to make our government better that are far beyond with the current occupant of the oval office could read, let alone think." just as i said, as soon as you prove it to, "i know i am, but trump is worse," you have lost the argument. everybody seems to go there. joey, one thing i wonder about that is -- is mike bloomberg showing that he maybe doesn't believe what he's saying today? that is not authentic? and saying, like, "well, i supported president obama but i really want to admit romney.

he would have been better." you start to think, wel when aru telling the truth? where do you really stand on things? >> joey: what is great about this is only mike bloomberg could make elizabeth warren look more authentic. only he could take some of that attention away from her. he's a perfect juxtaposition to bernie sanders. he won't hear a tape like this a bernie sanders saying, "but i really don't care about socialism, i just want to be known as a father of the movement." he consistent in the same way president trump is consistent. which is unique because mike bloomberg is like president trump, where he has views that are different here in the last five to ten years. the differences president trump, since the day he took office, has been very consistent with the set of views he has decided to up hold. i don't think mike bloomberg would do that. as a republican mayor, an independent, the policies he is bringing an end, chasing popularity. trying to purchase it, trying to speak it into existence, when you're not even a popular kind

of guy. i don't see how -- not withholding and a convention that turns into a mess -- he has an opportunity. who doesn't see through that? >> harris: you know who agrees with you is president trump. i don't know she remember what he said yesterday. that bernie sanders would be the toughest when he sees to take on because he is so much like him. and the president said, "but my bases bigger." c6 probably that's true >> melissa: leslie, where these tapes coming from quebec and we see them on youtube and ulcers. speed when you point to me when i say that! >> melissa: she's like, "have you seen this one?" you can't do the research, there's a lot out there. it keeps resurfacing. obviously this is oppo. who is so threatened they are putting this out there? >> leslie: i don't know. it's helping elizabeth warren, isn't it? she's going to go after them once again. this just gives her more ammunition because now she has a personal attack against her, a woman, in this fight.

you know where mike bloomberg attached to your point, he was an independent, a republican, and deborah cut. what wasn't taken back i don't like when people aren't authentic, at least byrne is. attacking barack obama. remember what happened to kamala harris? she attacked him, her numbers went down, people didn't like her, and in the next debate everybody praised barack obama. it was almost as if a memo came. >> harris: it was like a memo? maybe there was a memo! [laughs] >> leslie: i think a memo came from him and michelle saying, "you've got to fix this." >> melissa: obviously he was former was former chief of staff to barack obama, mayor now. on our air this morning. listen to this. >> mike bloomberg is going to have to defend it. if you go back about seven debates, as you remember, one of the big uproar was the fact that every candidate was throwing barack obama under the bus. the idea of attacking the former president is really popular. not exactly the way to the nomination.

>> dagen: that scratchy, grainy audio clip, mike bloomberg is his own worst enemy in this debate tonight. last week it was that cindy brady moment where the red light went on they just stared at the camera. and everybody in his brain just flew out of both years. he was a puddle. if he can't defend himself tonight versus the real-life breathing human beings who are on the stage, he might be done. you look at california, he is in third place. in texas he's in fourth despite spending half a billion dollars, which he lit on fire last week. but i guess you have nowhere to go but up after you do a face plant. >> melissa: harris, that's another thing rahm emanuel said that was funny. that if you think the debate stage was hard, the oval office is a lot harder. it's not less pressure in there. >> harris: you can't buy add stephen up leaving don my playing field the oval office. "look, i just spent half million

dollars to can reach him i didn't rewatch it between the fritos and doritos commercials." i question whether he was into that lps purchase pretty know he has scooped up staff. he's got good democrats don't like people around them. doug schoen one of them, a contributor on this network. he's got people to listen to. is he listening to them? i didn't live in new york when he was mayor, you know more about him than i do. >> melissa: he was always very boring at the lectern. this was the joke people made on the radio when he first came out a campaign. "this guy is not known for letting up a stage. does that mean we will sit through these three hour press conferences again, where he sits there and drones on and one monotone?" he's not a dynamic speaker. >> harris: you could google one of those. i'm trying to remember the year. it might have been 2014, the one i watch most sweetly, the "stop, question, and frisk." you want to make sure you get that second word in there, set

it over and over. he defended it. >> dagen: when you spend the energy trying to keep the inner jerk down, it's exhausting. [laughter] we know now that all of those tweaks, all of that messaging, is not him. >> melissa: the tweeting was too funny. i think trump is the only one who treats for himself. meanwhile, residents from going after supreme court justice photos that sonia sotomayor work as she accuses her colleagues are being too eager to sign with the trump administration. it's either side right in this dispute? ♪an dropped to near 50 year lows. veterans can refinance their va loans with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. newday has extended our call center hours so that every veteran in america can take advantage of this unexpected drop in interest rates. one call can save you $2000 every year. to start saving on your next mortgage payment go to

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they would be looking at whether or not he would get a new trial. so the proceeding for that has started. we expect a judge to hold a 1:30 p.m. hearing to see if it happens at 2:00 p.m. will actually be in public view. so we have a couple of things to get through today with judge amy berman jackson. roger stone arriving at u.s. district court in washington, d.c. as the news is made, we will bring it to you. >> dagen: in the meantime, president trump is once again taking aim at supreme court justice sonya sotomayor. one day after she and justice ruth bader ginsburg saying that they should recuse themselves from any cases involving his administration. this comes after sotomayor's sake don't ask giving dissent in an immigration ruling late friday and where she accused her conservative colleagues are being too eager to side with the trump of administration. he is with the president said in his new daily press this morni morning. >> mike bloomberg is going to have to defend it. if you go back about seven

debates, as you remember, one of big uproar as was the fact tha that -- >> melissa: that's not what we were playing. [laughter] >> dagen: that's not what we were going to play for you. we will get that in a second. meantime -- okay. all right, sotomayor's dissent was in response to the court's 5-4 ruling letting the trump administration implement its controversial public charged immigration rule amid ongoing legal challenges. oh, shocker. president trump said something publicly about an obvious dispute with somebody. >> melissa: i was reading her decision because they were talking about her "blistering rebuke." maybe i don't speak lawyer, because it's not totally -- maybe for supreme court justices this is blistering. the part where she says, "the court's recent behavior on state applications has benefited one at litigant over all others." i assume that the president. some say it's the court below the supreme court that really deserves the blame for this. what i think is interesting

about this is we have come to a point in time where we recognize that everyone is approaching things from a certain point of view. the nobody's really neutral. you are supposed to be, you try to be. there was a day that everybody believed dan rather and the people doing the news were totally neutral, and the courts could be neutral. you have a point of view. you are human. >> harris: i never thought people were neutral. i've been a journalist for -- >> melissa: well, they pretended it. >> harris: but as professionals we should be -- >> joey: now we expect the polarization. >> harris: as you are saying, and rightfully so in terms of what the public expects, we are supposed to come as professionals, be able to -- when i cover breaking news you shouldn't -- "is harris on the side of one fire department or the other?" it doesn't come down to that. people are in peril and i'm doing my job. the public should be able to expect me to do that. i didn't think the people shouldn't have a point of view, i just thought they could do the news without it. i didn't know they need that crutch. >> melissa: i think my point is you are honest about where you're coming from and then you

can judge me if i'm being fair. so i think for her, this is at the point where we know where they are coming from and you can decide based on that. are they trying to be fair to meg rather than "i have no opinion." >> joey: take president trump's comments aside. those are consistent. the person she is hurting most is herself. what is her ability to sway a swing vote on the 5-4 decision that she is criticizing that vote? if she's constantly saying something -- or even just once, in their world that's enough. the only person she is hurting his or her own argument in these cases that are 5-4 split. i want transparency, i want to know what she's thinking. i like that. >> leslie: we know what they are thinking. the recent elections are so essential and the reason that everybody, left or right, is encouraged to vote, is because one of the things we know the president absolutely has the power to do is to stack the court in their favor. >> harris: true. >> leslie: a conservative court, a liberal court. a democrat will put liberal

judges is an end a conservative president will put conservatives in. it's crazy somebody does agree with him, if he wants more people retire or die, i guess. they know how they are because when they are arguing those positions -- it isn't. i'm sorry, this is -- what you said a few weeks ago, something i agree with 100%. you said, "i think sometimes moderates are like, "whatever." i think it does come that way. he's asking to cope supreme court judges to recuse themselves. oh, well. when he's angry, when somebody doesn't agree with him, this is what he does. i don't find it mature or professional or presidential, but this is what he does. >> melissa: he just tweeted on friday when this decision came out, there was immediate reaction to the fact that she seemed to, in writing, pointer finger at the other side of her own bench. i think that's was unusual and

that's what i'm talking about. how did we get to this point where she is doing that? is that good? because it's transparent, as we said. is that bad? or is it not that flagrant? i read her exact words. that's what i was interested in, were the exact words that she wrote? >> dagen: i love the fact that we are having a debate about the judicial system. because her issue is that the government for the administration is coming to the supreme court time and again with an emergency. seeking a stays in an unprecedented number of cases. i just love the fact that it's about the process. >> melissa: something. >> leslie: she wants to be confirmed and convinced of the court of which she is a part of, and she hasn't seen so many cases bypass the lower court. >> dagen: and they can sit back and go, "justice for life." and ruth bader ginsburg keeps planking. we could be days away from

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>> all sides are tired of fighting. we've arrived at a historic opportunity for peace. it will be easy to obtain. we should seize the moment.

>> harris: that secretary of state mike pompeo sound and cautiously optimistic about a peace deal with the taliban in afghanistan, if the current week-long reduction in violence continues to hold. it is scheduled to end on saturday. president trump said he would then be prepared to find the first phase of the deal aimed at paving the way toward withdrawing the 13,000 u.s. troops that are still there. more than 2400 american troops have died in afghanistan, and more than 20,000 have been wounded. this war is now in its 19th year. are you cautiously optimistic as well? do you think the taliban are tired of fighting, as the secretary of state says? >> joey: i've learned not to be cautiously optimistic with this were a long time ago. this is a short victory for this demonstration and i'm not saying it's the wrong move. you have to look at this with a 30,000-foot view with clear eyes. it's impossible to have an organized taliban and not have these horrendous, oppressive rules and regulations being

imposed and deviant acts that they are going to impose a fire there in their country or abroad. what you can look this is to give up a little, take half the troops home. which is what i think is on the table, 5,000. >> harris: less than half. >> joey: what you will give up is any idea that afghanistan will be a better country for its citizens when we leave. that's what we are giving up. we are hoping for is the taliban stays focused on the country it's in and out the greater region and the world. >> harris: was the original end game and what is the end game now? >> joey: that the thing, it's a moving target. the original was to go in and make sure nobody could do 9/11 again. he matured into second term president bush -- >> harris: usama bin laden was not there. >> joey: it turned into, "we are making the world a safer place, making life a lot better for afghan people, stopping this from happening back at home again." people went to the polling booths, and we didn't fight a 20-year war.

we fought ten 2-year wars. >> harris: did we know usama bin laden had moved back then? 36 you're asking the wrong guy. all he did was fight the war, i didn't plan it. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i've lived in pakistan and i've seen with the taliban does to people. i haven't served our nation as you did, and thank you for doing that. for my freedom. it's not just negotiating with terrorists, these terrorists cannot be trusted. the word "peace" and "taliban" in the same sentence, i don't trust it. i don't buy it. i don't have an ever will. >> joey: i think it's conjecture. it's a sidestep from another step forward. i just don't believe in every anyway it does anything to make our country with the worlds they replace. >> harris: this is why i started there, that when you see certain groups of people around the world you know that they love the fight. they love to be in the fight, it's their identity, it's part of their stamp on the world. you have to identify those

people. otherwise you fight them forever. dagen? >> dagen: do you anticipate the taliban perceives our actions, even our words, as we kiss? >> joey: they stand for getting the west and all of its influences including democracy, rights for people like women, out of their country and out of their culture. that is the friction that doesn't go away with this. >> harris: nope? >> melissa: i can't top that. [laughter] [laughter] >> harris: we all agree on that so we will scoot to a quick commercial here on "outnumbered." stay tuned. for veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped to near 50-year lows. newday usa can help you refinance your mortgage and save thousands a year. i urge you to call newday usa now. @h >> man: what's my my truck...is my livelihood. so when my windshield cracked... the experts at safelite autoglass came right to me. >> tech: hi, i'm adrian. >> man: thanks for coming.

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>> melissa: we want to thank joey jones for being on the couch with us today. it's always a treat, especially when he cover stories like afghanistan where we don't have the first hand knowledge. we really appreciate you being here, thank you. >> joey: and yet he calls everybody "ma'am." which i surely appreciate. yes, sir, you do.

>> melissa: will be back here on the couch at noon eastern tomorrow. the cdc putting out some new words and warnings. i'm sure harris will cover that in the next hour. "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, we will begin here. the knives expected to be out tonight for bernie sanders as his 2020 rivals are seeking to damage that democratic front runner in the debate. this is "outnumbered overtime," and harris faulkner. the stakes are high in south carolina, just hours from now as 72020 democrats will face off in the state's primary on saturday. super tuesday is looming, as well. politico is reporting mike bloomberg's tragedy tonight is to "nuke" bernie sanders after his own weak performance at the nevada debate. "the new york times" says, "expect it to be everyone versus bernie." if campaign ads are any indication, he could get pretty ugly. bloomberg has