just checked my 401(k), i can't retire yet. i'll be back tomorrow, don't worry. [laughs] >> sandra: good thing! will see you back here for a friday morning show tomorrow. thanks for joining us. >> ed: in the meantime, "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, stocks plunging today as coronavirus fears escalate. the dow right now trading down 462 points, it had been down about 960, as low as the session. it was what was earlier, still bad, though. u.s. market indices falling into correction territory, already wiping out gains for the year. this, amid some tensions in washington over the outbreak response. as the first u.s. case of the virus from an unknown origin has been diagnosed in northern california, the first sign coronavirus may be spreading within a u.s. community. meantime, president trump says the risk from the coronavirus

remains very low and that his administration has it under control. announcing the vice president will be in charge of the u.s. response. the president also slamming top dems who criticize the administration's response so f far. >> i think speaker pelosi is incompetent. she lost the congress once, i think she will lose it again. she saying we have to work together, instead she wants to do that same thing with schumer. he goes out and says, "the president only asked for $2.5 billion." and he should have $8.5 billion. this is the first time we've been told we should take mark. >> melissa: a short time ago, speaker pelosi backing off a bit saying the party should work together to address the crisis. >> the united states government must address the spread of this deadly coronavirus, and a smart, strategic, and serious way. we stand ready to work in a bipartisan fashion in congress, and with the administration, to

achieve the necessary goals. lives are at stake. this is not a time for name-calling or playing politi politics. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself. executive director of the "serve america" pack and fox news contributor, marie harf. in the center seat, fox news contributor and editor of the dispatch, and coast of the dispatch podcast, steve hayes. he is "outnumbered." coronavirus dominating the news, of course. bleeding over into politics. too much? >> steve: well, yes. everything is bleeding over into politics. this is a bad thing to have happened in this political environment where we are so polarized. everything is finger-pointing and name-calling and accusatio accusations. right now what we need is for a calm, dispassionate recitation

of the facts, left to experts. people have worked in the field i know what they're talking about and can tell us when we should be concerned, how much we should be concerned, and what the likely path forward is here. we haven't gotten that, i would say, from either side. >> melissa: i heard something great, i think it was in the last hour, what does this really mean? if i could put on my voice of reason that for a second, if i got the coronavirus, i would get diagnosed and stay home for two weeks. watch netflix, get well, stay with my family. i don't want to downplay it, but it's this idea that if you get it, you are not going directly to the hospital to be hospitalized. that's what they're saying. it's not like you need this method o massive hospital response. i don't know your thoughts. >> steve: that in some ways makes it more dangerous than sars before it, or speaks 14. it doesn't have the fatality rate, it's not as severe. people who have it may have it undetected for quite some time. >> harris: and spread it.

>> steve: unknowingly spread it. that's the risk when you hear about community spread, lack of detection and people going about their daily lives. not necessarily even feeling too bad. the people on the cruise ship, many of them are really not symptomatic and came back to the united states, they were tested, they were determined to have had this, and may have been spreading it without even knowing it. >> melissa: harris, the big thing here is it's not fatal in the same numbers as all these other things, epidemics, pandemics we've been talking about. >> harris: experts i've talked with say the actual contagion number or percentage or rate of this is as high if not higher than the flu. so, i don't want to speak to the fatality rate or any of that. i'm not a doctor. what we are most concerned right now about is how this is spread and how quickly it spreads. because we know there are vulnerable people among us. it's like the herd immunity we try to build every year with the flu shot, or staying healthy around those in firm or young

people in our families who maybe can't get the shot. i have a daughter who has asthma. so certain things are problematic for us. we build her immunity around her. it's hard to do that with something you don't have enough people who have immunity to yet. we don't even know who they are, the novel coronavirus. we are still learning who gets over it, who doesn't have to go to the hospital. i don't know, that guy he was now at uc davis, they were looking at his symptoms and the hot maybe -- he is reportedly in dire straits. they are trying to save him. so the man in california. i wouldn't try and take away the danger of fatality for this. i would just even it out with what you're saying. just bring the facts, let's know what we know, let's wash our hands, let's do it again. >> melissa: she makes a good point about herd immunity, that's what people say about this. we don't have it because it's new, that's a difference. we don't have herd immunity. >> marie: i totally agree with steve that we need to hear from doctors, from experts. it's okay to criticize the trump

administration and the response, and democrats' response, without making a political. i do think that, to that point, the press conference with the president said a number of things that aren't true, including about a potential vaccine, the cdc has spoken out saying some of the statements he made are not true. he was trying to spin it. he was taking hits the democrats. i would have liked last night to hear from doctors, from experts, and not from president trying to spin it. i know why he was trying to take control of the situation from a p.r. perspective, but putting mike pence in charge of this response, who has been criticized for his work he did in indiana as responding to an hiv outbreak there, cut funding for health care in indiana, the organizations that dealt with at the state level, i don't think he's the right person to put in charge of it. >> melissa: kennedy, it's interesting, because if you saw, aoc tweeted hours and hours ago, "you put a man in charge he literally does not believe in science." and the number of democrats i've

heard parroting her all day does speak to kind of the political nature of this. >> marie: that's not what i -- >> kennedy: a couple things that would be very convenient for democrats right now, one, if the president had some economic trouble that really pierced people's perceptions as to whether or not they should vote for him again in 2020. if you can rattle the stock market, that's good for democrats. also, if you can pin a hurricane katrina on the president and somehow make the coronavirus has faults, not just the response but the whole thing, anything you can do, that can do as much damage as possible. here's what's going to happen. yes, this is new, but everything is going to happen at once in terms of testing a vaccine, which you have at least two companies who have already coded the virus and are fast-track-iad trials on humans. you are going to have masks that are manufactured. so if there's an outbreak and people have to protect themselves prophylactically, they will be able to do that. the weather is going to warm up,

and all of these things are going to happen simultaneously. so it is -- yes, it's very bad for some people, you do have to be prepared for everything. >> melissa: i want to point to that money part really quickly. because there is a lot of talk about mixing in the market on this. let's listen. >> i think it took a hit, maybe for two reasons. i think they look at the people you watched debating last night, and that if there's even a possibility that can happen, it really takes a hit because of that. it certainly took a hit because of this. i understand that, also. i think the stock market will recover. the economy is very strong. >> the president said something so strange, you would really have to wonder. he said the reason the market dropped is because of the debate the other night. well, the market had dropped 1800 points before the debate the other night. it also dropped while he was speaking yesterday. >> melissa: i talk to people

who actually trade the market and put their money where their mouth is. it absolutely is going down because bernie sanders is leading on the democratic side. that is one of the main factors in there. it's absolutely going down because of the coronavirus slowing down economic growth all around the world. it's also going down because it had gone up 17%, without pulling back. things were really high priced, and traders i talked to were looking for an opportunity to take some money off the table. so he is not wrong in saying it has to do with the democrat side of the ticket. they were thinking bloomberg was going to be an option on the democratic side, no it doesn't look like that. go ahead. >> harris: i want to add something to the mix and maybe speak a little bit what you were saying in terms of who is heading this up, vice president mike pence, marie. we've been able to confirm that a global health official at the white house coronavirus response coordinator is installing a czar-like figure under him. the vice president is going to

announce, or has announced, that global health official to guide the administration's response to the outbreak. ambassador debbie burks, who will report darkly to the vice president, serves as the u.s. government leader for combating hiv eight globally to the white house. you will also joined the task force led by the health and human services secretary alex azar." what i see in all of this is a pooling of both leadership and expertise. that's a good thing. just answer back to the criticism that you've made, i think it's also very get the facts out there, and these facts are just not happening. so it's new. >> marie: sure, i also think a problem the president has with his credibility, when he repeatedly said things every day about matters great and small that are not true, when we are in a crisis like this and he goes up to the white house podium, nobody -- let me finish. >> melissa: she's been telling lies, as well. >> marie: let me finish, melissa.

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>> harris: the panic among moderate democrats about bernie sanders israel. democratic mega donor has reportedly reached out to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer asking them to back a candidate in a bid to stop the surging sanders. sounds like a movie.

many insiders are worried that the democratic socialist could have the party nomination all but locked up by next week, after more than a dozen states vote on super tuesday. schwartz told cnbc, "we should know who is the best person to be donald trump, and with all due respect, bernie sanders cannot beat trump. they have good political reasons not to endorse until the primary is over, but i think you're losing too much if we give up on this position." however, speaker nancy pelosi told reporters yesterday that she be comfortable with bernie sanders at the top of the ticket. watch. >> whoever the nominee is of our party, we will wholeheartedly support. our gospel is one of unity, unity, unity. >> harris: unity. is that a change, or is she consistent with that message can make >> marie: i think she's pretty consistent. it's interesting, bernie sanders paints himself as being this outsider. he's been a senator for decades and has worked with nancy and chuck come as the president likes to call them, on things

that haven't got a lot of press. he's not an entirely -- he's not still not cited. >> harris: you know he doesn't consider himself a democrat, right? >> steve: he does now! >> marie: i think there are some democrats, and i will put myself in this category, who are concerned by the bernie sanders candidacy. >> harris: why? >> marie: because he's on the far left of the party. we see needing to an independent s. we saw that in 2018. i think there's a bathroom to enact. if 2016 taught us anything, we saw donald trump -- or many pundits dead, i shouldn't say "we all" -- and politics is different today than it was thought the last ten or 15 yea years. i think you have a good day in south carolina, so i'll be watching super tuesday. >> melissa: i don't want to put on the spot --

>> ed: "i don't want to put on the spot, but here!" [laughs] >> melissa: i thought it was brilliant so i want her to say it on tv. bernie sanders has the enthusiasm and that's what we've learned. i've said from the beginning he was most leaders candidate, and you made a good argument about that before the show. i'm going to put you on the spot, go for it. >> marie: the idea is that if the moderate democrats are more likely to vote for nominee, who is bernie sanders, then the far left is to vote for michael bloomberg if he is the nominee. you need the base and independents to vote for you if you are going to win back the presidency. bernie sanders is actually more likely to get that then michael bloomberg. it's a fascinating question, but one that a lot of democrats are thinking about. >> melissa: similar, trump and bloomberg. go ahead. >> harris: the president said that sanders is a lot like him. that's what he has said this week alone, right? and he says his base is bigger than bernie sanders', but they are quite a bit alike. i'm curious to know why you say that, though, about bernie being

able to scoop up more of the part of the party that isn't necessarily yoked to him. are they going to change or is he going to change can make is he going to become socialist lite, or are they going to lean so far left they fall over? >> marie: i believe -- all these pie-in-the-sky things bernie sanders says he's going to do will never actually become law. if he has an electoral path to be donald trump -- >> kennedy: it doesn't matter if they become law. look how terrified and angry democrats are at the power concentrated in the executive branch, when that is now in the hands of a socialist there was a lot of damage that can be done. that's something people have to keep an eye on. don't forget those supreme court justices. >> harris: yeah, why cut yourself short? keep preaching! [laughter] >> kennedy: hallelujah! it's funny because your democrat party, which had great success in 2018, and bernie sanders' party, those are two different parties. that's a real burning problem pay that's why people are so panicked and why they talk about these down ballot races, because

bernie sanders has nothing in common with the moderate democrats who are veterans and a little bit more fiscally conservative, and much more appealing to independent voters. and those people are going to have a very tough time maintaining the majority in the house. >> steve: and yet, the corollary to marie's point, if you look at the outcomes in iowa and nevada, those moderate and conservative democrats did in fact moved to bernie sanders in some cases. he had a better effort, better luck with people choosing him as their second choice than the others did. >> harris: i think you're right about that. your comparison was mike bloomberg, and that's been my criticism of people jumping in late to the party, develop patrick and others. there is no more water in the pool. where are you swimming to? we will see if my theory on how much more time bernie sanders has had compared with a guy like mike bloomberg, how much difference that will make on super tuesday. we don't know yet. >> melissa: meantime, elizabeth warren saying she is ready for a convention for

battle this summer if none of the democratic candidates reaches a delegate majority during the primaries. the senator making it clear in a town hall that she would be willing to lobby superdelegates who have votes on the second ballot if there is no outright winner. >> steve: would you continue your fight for the democratic nomination even if another candidate arrived at the convention ahead of you in the delegate count? >> yes. i was not going to spend 70% of my time raising money from billionaires and corporate executives and lobbyists. i was going to spend 100% of my time with folks. as long as they want me to stay in this race, i'm staying in this race. >> melissa: it's going to keep going. >> harris: you know what? everybody has a different reason for being in there. i know that elizabeth warren gets a lot of criticism for some of the things she has said that might be the dna provably not right, or whatever. whatever the case. i've never doubted her authenticity as a fighter. i've never doubted that. i've never doubted that she's holding truth to power, and

holding people accountable when she goes after mike bloomberg on nda progress. although he said only three had to do with him and he let those people out. "what more do you want?" i've never doubted, though, that she sees it that way. when she accuses bernie sanders of think she could win against alt-right because she's a woman, i didn't doubt that she believed it, i just also knew that bernie sanders had said something like, "he's going to use everything against you like it as everybody everybody else." she's going to stay and it because she thinks she's got something to bring. the >> steve: maybe. she has said a lot of things throughout this campaign that are false, that have proven to be not true. i think this could end up being another one. when you're put on the spot like that as a candidate come as a professional politician, you're used to spending and saying this that are not true. it would have been near feel free to edit south carolina and super tuesday saying, "yeah, if i don't do well, i'm probably out." your support is going to tank. >> kennedy: yes, absolutely, but it looks like your candidacy

has about five days left. i don't think super tuesday is going to be kind to her. i don't think she has the kind of team and ground game in those critical states. california doesn't really have a lot of delegates, so that one doesn't really matter. [laughter] >> marie: 4%, 5%, 7%. that's coming from biden and bloomberg are not really from bernie. >> kennedy: how do you get out of the race? >> marie: it's hard to tell. >> melissa: this is exactly like the trump lead up. if you put together everybody else, they would beat him. but i'm not even sure that was really true. to >> steve: and a lot of those people will go to bernie. >> melissa: "the new york times" now on the defensive, as the trump campaign is suing predetails on that ahead. plus, a newly-diagnosed patient in the u.s. is proving just how much the coronavirus remains a mystery, as president trump looks to calm those fears. those fearing the worst.

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are. >> hi, harris paid the national quarantine center is quite impressive. actually, they had to cope people the bio containment union, which is where they go when they releases. one of them was released last night and the everyone is due to come out probably today. the one that was released had ammonia, severe pneumonia, which is characteristic of this virus. he was put on the extremity of drug, or at least he was in the trial, and he has gotten better. >> harris: that's a blessing. >> yeah, the response here illustrates that people can recover, certainly. >> harris: what significance is that that someone has an unknown source of this coronavirus? it could be they haven't finished investigating yet, we will don i don't want to alarm people that this has gone communal. but you mentioned yesterday. >> you were ahead of the story yesterday, you were really on top of this. i'm glad you brought it up yesterday and today. because the concern is if you can't trace this to a traveler -- and it makes me exactly as you just said that there is a

traveler who sprinted to this person -- you can't confirm it. and if you can't confirm that, then you wonder if it is starting to spread within the community, which is what happened in south korea, it's what happened in italy, and in japan. but we are not there yet. we are concerned about it, there is a lot of concern among the health authorities, the cdc. if it keeps spreading in industrialized countries with good health care systems, we think it's only a matter of time before it starts to spread here. as far as we know, it hasn't happened yet. >> harris: one more quick one for me and then melissa will take over. this patient in california, there are reports that there was some kind of testing delay of this coronavirus patient. what do you know about that? are the federal guidelines or protocols complicated at all for who gets a test and who doesn't? >> i'm deeply concerned about this point. it's because the centers for disease control has a test kit, one of which is faulty.

so they sent it out to over 100 centers, and they had to pull it back from most of them. you still have to send your sample to the cdc, which is a delay. they are working on a new blood test which, when it's available, i wanted in my hospital. i want it available widely to all the major medical centers in the country. that's what we need. we need to be able to do it as part of a panel we are doing. we are not there. >> melissa: dr. siegel, it's melissa francis. can i ask you about this case now we are hearing about in japan? where the person recovered and tested positive again? >> yeah, melissa, that's very interesting, too. let me tell you how that is pray that's actually less alarming. a lot of respiratory viruses, you have a surge, you get sick, you think you're recovered, and the new get sick again. you can have a situation where you test positive and then test negative and then test positive again. i don't believe that means the patient was skewered, melissa, and they suddenly got the virus a second time.

chances are, once you have this virus and you get over it, you are immune. that's most likely the case. i just think that you have ups and downs and valleys and troughs in terms of how you hit the virus. so we will see more and more of that. we see it with the flu, we see it with the flu. >> melissa: real quick, what would happen if people are diagnosed in, say, new york city? what will happen? do you quarantine at home, do you go to the hospital? i heard someone say in the last hour, it's not like our hospitals would be overwhelmed because we wouldn't be sending people there. is that true? >> it depends on the cases. if you are home alone with no one else there, they can quarantine you alone. otherwise, major medical centers and there in new york bellevue is very well trained in this. they have an ability to quarantine patients. they are getting instructions from the quarantine center here at nebraska medicine. it means going in with masks, with shields, with gowns, and with gloves. all of which are disposable, all of which are pulled off by

another team member because you are wondering how you don't spread the virus once you been in the room. you have to have a buddy you gets rid of it for you so you don't spread it. this kind of training is going on in major medical centers around the country for people who can be quarantine at home. >> kennedy: dr. siegel, it's kennedy. have a quick question. obviously don't know you have the virus unless you've been tested. and there have been some issues getting tests, particularly for that patient in northern california. who had to wait several days. the cdc, are they coming up with a better system for getting those tests out to people who might be infected? >> kennedy, two things. first of all, the cdc claims they are ramping up testing and they will have that second more user-friendly test available soon. in the meantime, i want to tell you that you can distinguish this virus if you are a clinician as follows. i talked to the people here and they confirmed, the patients have cough, shortness of breath, and fever.

that's different than the flu. with the flu you have fatigue and muscle experience cough, shortness of breath, and fever. x-rays who worry about this characteristic pneumonia that's classic for the coronavirus that we are seeing about 15% of case. we need the test kits. >> harris: you mentioned how the medical professionals are protecting themselves. we've seen medical professionals in china at the heart of this whole thing passed away. so we owe such a debt of gratitude for those people who hang in there and take care of us when we get sick. like yourself, dr. siegel. thank you. the trump campaign is suing "the new york times" for libel. do they have a case? we will debate it. ♪ attentions veterans with va loans, va mortgage rates have just dropped to near 50 year lows. veterans can refinance their va loans with no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. newday has extended our call center hours so that every veteran in america can take advantage of this unexpected drop in interest rates.

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>> kennedy: welcome back. president trump's campaign suing "the new york times" for libel over an op-ed on the topic of russian involvement in the 2016 election. the 2019 piece, titled "the real

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president, the charge now to lead the nation through safety, through the coronavirus. any potential outbreak there would be. he made an announcement today also of a czar. let's watch and listen. >> vice president pence: hello, cpac! [cheers and applause] thank you for that wonderful warm welcome. it is great to be back at this historic gathering, at a historic time in the life of our nation. i am truly honored to be back with you again. before i begin, though, allow me to it's on the hearts and minds of people all across this country. the potential impact of the coronavirus. here in america. president donald trump has no higher priority than the health, safety, and well-being of the american people. [applause]

last month, following word of the outbreak of the coronavirus in china, president trump took unprecedented action to protect the health of americans. he declared a public health emergency. we suspended travel to the united states from china. we initiated quarantine efforts were american citizens returning, and established a white house coronavirus task force, which has literally met every single day to protect the american people. [applause] as of today, we have 15 cases of coronavirus' that have been detected in the united states, with only one new case detected in the last two weeks. there's another 45 cases that have been diagnosed among americans who have been repatriated from china. while one american is hospitalized, thankfully all for patients

have been treated and are doing well. [applause] while the risk to the american public remains low, as the president said yesterday, we are ready. we are ready for anything. yesterday, president trump directed me to lead a whole of government approach to address the coronavirus in this country. and i promise you, we will continue to bring the full resources of the federal government to bear to protect the american people. [applause] as the president also said, it's important to remember we are all in this together. this is not the time for partisanship. [applause] the american people expect us to work together, and i promise

you, this president, this administration, is going to work with leaders in both parties. we'll work with leaders across this nation, at the state and local level. and this president will always put the health and safety of america first. [applause] so, thank you for that. and it is great to be back at cpac! [cheers and applause] the largest gathering of conservatives anywhere, anytime, in america! [applause] you know, matt mentioned i came to my first cpac back in 2004. i've had the great privilege to come back here now more than a

dozen times. but i want to be clear with you -- i'm here for one reason and one reason only. and that is that our movement, our party, and america need four more years of president donald trump in the white house. [cheers and applause] [audience chanting "usa"] [audience chanting "four more years"] spew when he began talking about leadership points and with the leadership will do going forward, with him at the helm now overseeing our response as a nation to the coronavirus. he talked about the president making it has first priority, so on and so forth. to a crowd, cpac, national

harbor, maryland. as you can hear through all of those cheers, they are glad not just to hear from him on that topic but on a whole host of others as he calls out as the nation's largest gathering of conservatives. vice president pence will continue to talk. we'll continue to monitor. and you can go to fox nation, our app, and watch it stream live from there in its entirety. let's come out, if we can, and talk about where we are. there was this talk early on, stephen, that there would be a czar, and the white house said there wouldn't be. and then vice president pence puts in place that official who now will lead things, ambassador birx. >> steve: i think that smart print structures important. republicans and capitol hill are happy to be working with him. it's a thankless job, very difficult job for mike pence. just speaking and politically, the upside is very low. if things go poorly, mike pence becomes the face of the government response to coronavirus. if things go well and there's

the spread, although we hope there won't be, i don't think he's likely to be the one to get a lot of credit for it. politically speaking it's a very difficult position. republicans on capitol hill will be happy to do with mike pence on this. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: he's tofu, takes on the flavor of anything you needed to come and it's not going to make you fast. [laughter] >> harris: okay... marie to >> marie: congress is about to give the executive branch a lot of money to deal with this. i agree with steve that process and structure is good. process and structure is not something the industry and has done particularly well. bringing in something who is good at that is very smart thing to do. this is a tough enough disease to fight under the best of circumstances. i remember when we were dealing with ebola, which was different in many ways but which was a public health crisis that came up very quickly. these are really tough issues and they do involve the whole of government. whether it's the state department, for who can travel, cdc, congress with money getting appropriated quickly, which doesn't always happen. it really does involve --

>> harris: he can go to capitol hill in a slightly different way than the hhs secretary, although with hearings this week we could see that happen, too. he can get into the nitty-gritty, i think, of negotiating and doing what you need to do to get the logjam of cash flowing. >> marie: i think they will get about $4 billion for it. >> melissa: you made a great payment down my point earlier that he put together task force in january, and this proves you need a face at the head or you don't get credit for having a group to give it. you. >> marie: mike pence does have negatives when it comes to health care. i mentioned the hiv outbreak in indiana. that something that concerned allowed members of congress. >> kennedy: said during the break he thought he was really handsome. >> marie: i did not, that was fake news. [laughter] >> harris: goodness gracious, is my mike don i mic on? the president suing "the new york times." as the president? we will get to it. el the clarity of new non-drowsy claritin cool mint chewables.

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>> kennedy: all right, let's get back to this. the trump campaign suing "the new york times" for libel. over a 2019 op-ed, arguing there was an agreement between russia and the campaign to assist trump in getting elected. the lawsuit claims the paper knew the story was a falsehood and published it anyway. anyway, steve? you are a journalist. what is this due to your

journalistic blood? >> steve: that is, i think, a political fight the trump campaign is launching. it's not really a serious legal fight that the trump campaign is launching. they are highly unlikely to win this, long precedent suggests these things are unwinnable. and the specifics of the case i think make it very difficult for him. as a political matter, though, donald trump does well when he beats up the media. his base loves it, the more he does it the better he does. and the more he discredits -- >> kennedy: the coverage is overwhelmingly negative. >> steve: there's no question, there is certainly criticism of the media broadly understood on that particular issue. i think he wants to do this because he believes it's in his interest to further discredit the mainstream media, so when they report things that are negative about him people will be less likely to believe them. he has said this, he said in an interview with leslie stahl. "this is why i beat you up, soon-to-be believes you." >> harris: is it working? >> steve: i think it is working. when you look at the polling,

particularly among republicans, and their lack of faith in the mainstream media, that preexisted donald trump to be sure. but he has made this a central part of his presidency, talking about the -- >> melissa: that would expand a lot. i couldn't figure out why they would pick this particular case. certainly "the new york times" has made so many errors, where would you go for an opinion piece where it seems like the legal ground on that would be impossible? if you look at it, there's plenty else to pick from from "the new york times." december 2019, they profiled the trump voter who turned out to be a democrat. september 2019, they omit the details about the sexual misconduct obligation for justice kavanaugh. these are corrections. they had to issue a correction about the bombshell report about paul manafort's ties to a russian oligarch. the list goes on and on. the big one, they had to correct the report that said 17 intel agencies agreed on russian action during the election. these are the ones they've admitted to. so i wonder why you picked that

opinion piece. >> kennedy: and obviously it's not a legal fight, because the president is not going to win this. but also if you are "the new york times," in terms of some of the loosey-goosey reporting... >> marie: i think every media outlet has opinion folks who work with them who say all manner of things, and that is protected under the first amendment. >> kennedy: there's no doubt about that. >> marie: i do agree this is a political fight certainly. it's like the devin nunes style of legal action. he is suing everyone now. media outlets. we will see this more as we head into november. >> kennedy: lawsuits are the new orange. we'll be right back. so every veteran can save $2000 a year. x=dhúoyntd=ñ6z it's an easy way to earn it's cashback on the stuff i'm already buying. sometimes it's 3% sometimes it's 8% but you're always getting cashback. so it's like getting free money. go to rakuten.com and sign up today for a $10 bonus.

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>> melissa: our thanks to steve hayes. have you got a final thought for us? >> steve: the outcome i think we'll know a lot more about where this coronavirus is going in the next week to ten days. >> melissa: know if it's a big deal if it's not. >> marie: and will know more about the democratic primary in the next week to ten days. >> melissa: who is your bet, who do you think will come out of the end of super tuesday? in the least overall?

>> marie: vice president biden will win south carolina, bernie will still be on the lead but biden will surprise us. >> kennedy: i think super tuesday will crush a lot of dreams. [laughter] >> melissa: "outnumbered overtime" starts right now with harris. >> harris: we are awaiting a news conference by california's governor this hour after the cdc has confirmed the first american case of coronavirus not associated yet with a known exposure. that means they may have traveled, they may not have. they are still investigating. you're watching "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the california person had no known link to international travel or exposure to another patient at this point, that's what we know. again, and discussion continues. raising new questions about the spread of the illness, possibly here at home. as the number of confirmed cases has now gone over 82,000 worldwide. at least 60 of those people who are infected are here in the united states. a doctor where the