as they should. >> sandra: measures being taken not just here in newark, the hardest hit state, but across the country. >> ed: we will find another way to celebrate. >> sandra: we will indeed. thanks for joining us. >> ed: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump wrapping up a meeting with health care ceos at the white house moments ago. the president sang the health care industry has agreed to cover coronavirus treatment and wave copayments for testing. they have also agreed to cover telemedicine care so patients do not need to leave their homes. this, as the death toll tops 4,000 worldwide with more than 113,000 confirmed cases. there are now at least 26 deaths in the u.s., with more than 690 cases across 36 states and the district of columbia. a significant spike in confirmed cases reported in washington state and new york, with california and massachusetts also seeing

sizable gems. alex azar says focus now is on tracking exactly how many americans haved for the virus. >> we don't know exactly how many because of hundreds of thousands of our tests haven't gone out to private labs and hospitals that currently do not report into the cdc. we are working with the cdc and those partners to get an i.t. reporting system up and running hopefully this week where we will be able to get that data to keep track of how many were testing. >> melissa: the surgeon general meanwhile reminding americans there is no need to panic. >> americans should absolutely be prepared but that doesn't mean they should be afraid. we've been here before. h1n1, sars, mers. we know how to handle this. what we are trying to communicate to people now is how they can prepared. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. who today's harris faulkner, host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself. syndicated radio host in

fox news contributor, leslie marshall. in the center seat today, fox news medical a-team number marc siegel, an expert on quarantines. he is "outnumbered." we'll get that in the second. but i want to ask you about the news that just happen. when i heard the president's team was meeting with health care leaders, this is what they would say. that you should not be thinking about your co-pay when you're deciding whether or not to go get tested for this. in fact, these companies are waiving it. i examined what to do if someone in my family seems like they might have it, and they say do not go to your doctor's office. don't do that. call on the phone, or this covers telemedicine as well, out of that conference. but call someone, ask them where you should go for testing. in our case here in new york, your doctor can request the test and you go in, they are being

very safe about this. you bring the affected person and get the test. that way you encounter as few people as possible. what do you think of we just heard in that press conference, those new measures they are going to cover? >> dr. siegel: those measures are very practical and smart. telemedicine has come a long way. we have a lot of virtual visits going on already. the idea of visiting telemedicine, people who are confined to their homes or self-quarantining, we don't even know how many people that is. that's a really good idea. the testing is also a good idea. we've been wondering about that. i've been calling that lab and they are gearing up to start doing this. that's important. the third piece of this, we have a drug called remdesivir, i've been hearing good things about it. the insurance companies have to agree to cover these treatments and they have in terms of what they said at this meeting. >> melissa: i think we moved at the same time when they said that although the lab is there,

they don't have a central system they are reporting into. >> harris: i do wonder why we don't have a central system where test results are being reported into. i thought it was interesting yesterday when you and i were on the special we did at 1:00 p.m. eastern, that the administrator on the task force for the president, seema verma, said they would centralize, digitally, people's health records. if you are on a cruise and you need to know what medicines you didn't bring with you or need more of, that information is gathered. but doctor, i don't know who would be keeping this. if it's at a state level or federal level, cdc. but hey, somebody tests positive, just put it into that system. you don't even need to put this person's name. mason demographic street age, underlying conditions, smoker, whatever. so we can get a handle on how things are changing. >> dr. siegel: i agree with you both on this. alex azar was hunting on what you just heard, that is not there yet. you know what happens if you

sent a test? they sent it to the cdc for verification. they may say to the patient, "we think you may have it but we are confirming it." it's two steps. since these are cdc kits. we have to have quality control. if it's done anywhere we know it's positive, it ends up part of a patient's record right away. >> harris: that was part of the slow down in the beginning because there were mistakes made? what happened such that we couldn't get test kits out there at the speed and number that we needed them from the beginning? we had 50 days to get rid of this. the first case in america was today, march 10th, 50 days ago. >> dr. siegel: absolutely. >> harris: so we had a lead-up. what did we do at that time? >> dr. siegel: there's two problems as i see it. one, they had a problem. the actual kit was flawed and they had to withdraw it, believe it or not, after they sent it around the country. second, this is something nobody is really reporting. i don't think going to your state or local lab is the

answer. it has to be what we are saying today, your private lab, your university lab, your hospital. it's a big delay if i go to the new york city health department of the state health department. they do great work but it takes a couple days to get the results. i need to know right away if a person is positive. >> melissa: this is one of the reasons we talked about centralized medical records. kennedy, i will ask you in a second pair that goes to privacy concerns. at the same time, it is our health system. frankly, your insurance company knows everything about what you've been doing and what test you've had and where you've gone, so where do you come down on the idea? how centralize our own medical records right now? how digital are they? and how important is that? >> dr. siegel: another bill, they announced the same thing two days ago. we lost it in all this coronavirus coverage. they are going to make all records portable. so you will be able to carry it around on your cloud or on your zip drive. i will actually like that idea. by the way, during an epidemic, all of this is suspended. medicare is allowed to use your

health information. if a privacy issue but they should be allowed to use it. >> harris: that needs to be said. >> melissa: interesting. what do you think about that, kennedy? >> kennedy: i think it's always dangerous to make sleeping regulations, especially in terms of surveillance and privacy and data gathering, during times of crisis. if you talk about specific problems, i don't have a problem with that at all. harris is right, the cdc has plenty of time to get on top of it and coordinate with university labs and big corporations like qwest. i will see i have a little more faith is of these private vendors and companies because they are the ones who actually seem to be doing a better job of taking their products and getting them out to the people who need them the most. there's a big log and some of the government services and secretary azar even said that a million of the test kits were made by a private vendor. they have a surplus of them right now. the private vendor and some of these private labs are getting the most information possible, and now it's up to the cdc to talk to those corporations.

>> harris: and pull that information. >> kennedy: some of these big university conglomerates. and give it information say, "this is the one place you can upload test results." so they know how many people have tested positive and how many people have been tested. >> harris: a clearinghouse is what you are describing. >> kennedy: the percentage of people that have been tested will increase and reduce the fatality percentage. >> melissa: leslie, there is so much focus on that right now. why did it take us so much longer to test? why is it that our ratios are so different? i wonder if that criticism is fair, because we are a lot more careful. with our testing kits. we have higher standards than other places in the world. it's become almost a political issue of how quickly the government responded. a lot of the government is embedded. it's not partisan, they are not necessarily appointees from this administration or the last one or whatever. you have to believe everybody's doing the best they can and holding us to a high standard. is that fair, or no? >> leslie: i think both sides made that political in the beginning and it's shameful,

because there are people who have lost their lives in this country and throughout the world. another problem, in the beginning we had things coming out of china. not just information but also vaccination, potentially. medication, not to be trusted. i would agree, you got to go to the private sector. i was request there were lots of people testing, and you could see the workers freaking out because they didn't have the tests. they didn't have the answers to the questions. i do feel we dropped the ball there. we should have tried to get out of it, especially looking at this is a virus -- doctor, correct me if i'm wrong -- this is a virus that has spread faster than sars, faster than bird flu, faster than ebola. so containment is the here, huge issue. >> melissa: doctor, maybe you can speak to this. the differences a lot of people don't understand how the system works, necessarily. for example, when they say they need to be tested, you can't walk into the labcorp or qwest and ask for something. your doctor orders online.

the order has already been placed. you don't have the power to ask them for anything. when you talk about people going and who want the test, there's a lot of misinformation out there. there were people tweeting you last night saying, "we don't have any tests, i went in and they didn't have any." and i'm like, "take a breath and call your doctor first to find out what you're supposed to do." >> harris: one of the things we are finding for people is that when they do go in to get tested it more than likely is the flu. >> dr. siegel: it is still delayed. more than likely is negative. >> harris: it's the flu. >> dr. siegel: here's the part the doctor plays. this is why i'm still disturbed. the doctor is supposed to test for flu, if it's flu-like symptoms. coronavirus is a little different. shortness of breath and i feed her. i want to have in my arsenal the test for coronavirus. or if you have a contact, somebody who knew had it. even now, melissa, we still don't have it.

you are right, people can ask for this test. but i can't get it even now. even today, even yesterday. i'm still not able to get it. quest is just getting it, labcorp is just getting it. i want to be able to lose it for two precedents. some of you with a cough, shortness of breath, fever, i want to make sure they don't have coronavirus. statistically therefore more likely. >> melissa: you called yesterday and you weren't able to do here? my doctor said they were able to order it. >> dr. siegel: not yet. i'm hearing it's arriving. they have the ability to test it, the reagents they need to run the test, they didn't have as of yesterday. not here or several states. >> harris: is a different question then, do you have the test? what you are saying is, do you have the ability to run the test? is a different question. real quickly for you, doctor, it seems like we don't know what the death rate really is. why don't we know? >> dr. siegel: the world health organization has been scaring us on this. the reason we don't know is we never know at the beginning of when a contagion starts with the

actual numbers are. i'm going to say something that reassures you. >> harris: thank you. >> dr. siegel: undoubtedly there are thousands of people who have had very mild cases or no symptoms at all, that never came to attention. either here or around the world. when south korea started testing people the way we want people tested, they found hundreds of thousands of negatives or mild symptoms. i think it's less than 1% probably. >> melissa: why are they able to test more like you said, and we are not? >> dr. siegel: because of with everybody saying on this couch. we can't get this together. >> harris: we lost time in the beginning. >> dr. siegel: we lost time trying to court and the public private sector. >> harris: i was talking to all you experts yesterday, we have to give the government time to catch up. that's why the hand washing and the things we can take action on. not just to stay calm. that's technically for those of us who are type a. we don't have the gene. we can appear calm, but inside we are going --

>> dr. siegel: raise your hand if you are a type a. >> harris: everyone on this couch. kennedy's different! [laughter] we can give the government time to catch up by doing the things that keep us all healthy. like try to get a good night's sleep. >> dr. siegel: stay well-hydrated. >> harris: those basic things that seem like people don't even do for the flu. >> kennedy: manufacturing their own kids in south korea? to that of a manufacturing system? >> dr. siegel: absolutely, and government distribution in place for that. they rolled over over 200,000 -- >> kennedy: and the geographically much smaller. >> dr. siegel: that's true. >> melissa: the dow still riding the roller coaster after yesterday's historic sell-off. all this as president trump a release plan. with those details look like and whether this is the right remedy. >> we are meeting with house republicans, mitch mcconnell, everybody. discussing a possible payroll tax cut or relief, substantial

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about hourly wage earners getting help so that they can be in a position where they are not going to have to miss a paycheck. >> harris: however, some lawmakers including republican senator john kennedy is not convinced that any kind of stimulus is needed. >> i'm not going to vote just for a bunch of bailouts, to be voting for a bailout i've got to be convinced. but i'm certainly willing to listen. >> harris: we just want to make mention real quickly that we are expecting later on this hour that the president will be headed to capitol hill for his senate policy lunch. no doubt this will come up. melissa, as you look at the numbers and what stimulus has done in the past, is that exactly what this is? or how does this help businesses? >> melissa: there's a couple different elements. this isn't locked in stone, it's what they are talking about right now and there is still a lot of discussion that needs to be had. they're talking about a payroll tax cut, some targeted stimulus,

small business assistance in the form of loans. if your business is going under because you have a restaurant and no one has come in, they don't want you to go out of business. that sort of thing. certain distress industries, the airline industry will have some problems. paid leave is really important, because if you have hourly workers that are staying at home because we don't want them spreading the virus, as they should, they shouldn't be penalized and not be able to feed their families because they've stayed on as they were supposed to. those are good measures. there's a lot of trash talk about the payroll tax cut. some people will tell you the last one didn't work. it was a lot smaller, it was 2%. >> harris: the last one wasn't in the situation though, right? >> melissa: that's a good person people using because he said it wasn't a lot of relief, 2% versus 6%. one of the biggest differences -- and you are smart to ask that question. >> harris: thank you. >> melissa: the former ceo of goldman sachs said fear can take the markets lower, but expect a quick recovery when the health

threat recedes, especially in the u.s. underlying economy, banks well-kept, assisted not too leverage. unlike in about 308, systemic damage that will take used to work through." in other words, we were already in good shape, the underlying economy is good. so when this proceeds you should see things pick up faster. >> harris: bounce back. >> melissa: that's one reason the government doesn't want to see a lot of stimulus. >> harris: kennedy, when you hear senator kennedy -- >> kennedy: on the fed! >> harris: when he republican senator kennedy say this is needed, why do you think he takes exception? >> kennedy: because he looked at the outcome after the two stimuli into thousand eight and 2009, and by all economic forecasts we would have been in the exact same place. >> harris: with or without the stimulus? >> kennedy: yes. it would have been better -- nothing is too big to fail. sorry. sometimes you have to -- >> harris: i forgot about that line. >> kennedy: you have to allow things to come to the natural order of the free market.

the more government interference we have, the less of a natural recovery we will see. a lot of this is very unnatural. it's a well-intentioned. big government and giant wads of cash being thrown at problems is always well-intentioned. the problem isn't the initial cash or where it's intended to go. if the unintended consequences we see, that is the fallout. >> harris: i get you. i want to roll this into the 50 days we had to get ready. you and i were talking during the break that the government still hasn't caught up yet. and you have more people getting sick. is this the quick answer, to say, "we are doing something, it benefits you, it makes business," as melissa is saying, to feel like there is a safety net here? is this part of that catch up we are waiting to happen? >> dr. siegel: he has come i want to add that i think the problem is way more enormous than a virus. keep in mind, if i worry about a contact of a contact of a contact, suddenly everybody is staying home. the office is shuttered.

everybody's using computers. maybe madison square garden is open, but i went to the knicks game the other night and there was nobody there. they are terrible, i understand, i'm sorry. [laughter] but this decreased usage across the board. >> harris: that's an excellent point. >> melissa: versus what kennedy is saying, in that case, you look at the hourly workers who didn't get any tips and they won't have them there if nobody is coming to the stadium. those are the people we want to protect. i don't think we need to protect the knicks organization, for example. >> kennedy: american airlines, they charge enough for bags, by the way, and the seats that don't recline, they are still getting -- >> harris: wha what about cruising? the president said he may jump into that. will he see subsidies for cruise lines? connected they they maybe have some of the things they needed to work on? said this yesterday, that maybe this will be long-term. >> melissa: that's differently the case.

leslie, you might have some projections with this. the idea that when they say they don't want to do the payroll tax cut, that is something that would benefit everybody right away. except for them because it's less of our money in their pockets to spend. the things they like to do, like you said, the giant firehose of cash drowning people. the things they don't like to do is let you keep your own money. if you think about that, and what they are objecting to, it falls into those categories. they love the fire hose, they hate to let you keep your money. do you disagree with me? >> leslie: larry kudlow said a stimulus isn't going to work. democrats are saying a stimulus isn't going to work and republicans are saying it is. what i think we have to do, instead of having this huge stimulus package, we need to look at areas that are prioritized. areas where we are both in agreement, we being democrats and republicans. both sides agree with the president and his initiation. you need to have paid leave for workers. both sides agree you need to have free testing. let's start with that out of the box and move forward from there. >> melissa: i totally agree

100%. >> harris: gosh, with all of this talk, did you remember there are voters in six states headed to the polls today? in a critical moment for the bernie sanders campaign, can the vermont senator steal back some of the "joementum?" >> we are only going to beat donald trump by generating excitement and turn out. what? on super tuesday, we turned out 70% more voters. it's a good musical i have huge money saving news for veterans.

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idaho, michigan, mississippi, missouri, north dakota, and washington state voting today in primaries and caucuses with 325 delegates up for grabs. the biggest prize, of course, michigan, with its 125 delegates. a victory for biden there would cement his frontrunner status. last night, has new endorsers, former presidential candidates kamala harris and cory booker, flanking biden as he touted his support from key voters. just watch. >> just over a week ago, the press and the pundits had declared this campaign dead. then south carolina spook then super tuesday spoke. tomorrow michigan, mississippi, missouri, north dakota, idaho, washington state, you will be heard. michigan, i'm counting on you in a big way. >> kennedy: is actually 352 delegates up for grabs tonight. sanders also earning

endorsements from some big names himself, including civil rights activist reverend jesse jackson. hoping for the kind of much-needed boost he got back in 2016, when sanders pulled off a stunning upset against hillary clinton and michigan, and he was down by the same margin. 20 points in the polls right before election day there. leslie, let's talk about this a little bit. it's interesting, because senator sanders has to go after joe biden in a very specific way. he can't be too personal, he can't be too mean. he is contrasting the amount of time he spends in his stump speech, which is closer to an hour, with vice president biden. which is roughly 7 minutes. do you think it's working? >> leslie: no. on super tuesday, joe biden without any money or showing up in certain states just came out a front runner. and you can't trust the polls. he's 24 percentage points ahead in the latest polls in michigan. but this is really an interesting state when you look at what happened in 2016. not just because bernie and hillary but also in the general

election. trump only won by less than 10,000 votes. hillary didn't appeal to the rural workers into the blue-collar working class specifically male blue-collar working class. >> kennedy: so it's very different this time around? >> leslie: i think it's different. he can appeal to that sector, but for both biden and bernie, the interesting thing is when you look at areas where they are strong, burning with the youth and with latinos, you have a very low percentage of latinos in the state of michigan and you have a low percentage of african-americans in the state of michigan. so this is going to be, who can win back those rural white voters and those suburban white voters? especially the educated and the female suburban white voters. >> kennedy: but nobody should count on anything. the polling has been weird in the past. what i want to talk about, what i think is so interesting, he was counted out when he had his heart attack. but something happened when bernie sanders had that procedure. it opened up the circulation in his body, and he now has more energy and more stamina. than anyone else we've seen in

this race. how can that be? >> dr. siegel: i don't think getting over that heart attack led them to be reinvigorated medically. more blood flow to the brain or anything like that. although i do believe he seems to be medically stable. but all the health in the world is going to make the michigan worker vote for medicare for all, i'll tell you that. because they already have employer-based health care insurance and bernie is promising them something they don't want. three for union members for years and years, do they really want to give up that health care? >> dr. siegel: no, and we were just talking about it with the coronavirus. need the private labs to help. he is saying free vaccinations. he was going to pay for that? innovation comes from the private sector. every hospital in the country, major medical center, relies on private insurance to d do the research. >> kennedy: i'm so glad you brought that up, because bernie brought up during last night's democracy 2020 town hall. he was trying to make the case for medicare for all, using the coronavirus is the big propagandist reason. watch.

>> when i talk about health care being a human right and all people having health care, the coronavirus crisis makes that abundantly clear as to why it should be. you've got millions of people in this country today who may feel they have a symptom. but you know what? they cannot afford to go to a doctor. and then they're going to go to work. >> kennedy: all right. leslie, there's been a big logjam at the cdc. i don't know if that's necessarily making the case for the federal government when they've already botch quite a bit of this. >> leslie: i've said it before and i'll say it again. it's not just the numbers economically, it's a numbers regarding votes. senator sanders knows, in the current composite of the house and the senate, he would not have the votes for medicare for all. even if you look at what could happen in the general election. so probably not going to have those votes. so if you are promising something, on the one hand, that the numbers don't add up. secondly, medicare for all, my husband is a physician and he is like, "medicare for all?"

medicare is the largest plan in the world. and of course there aren't the votes. >> kennedy: here's the problem, and i think this is why you've seen some of bernie sanders' support shed some of that recently. because people are looking at these numbers and you realize that if you are really talking about $3 trillion a year, even if he's talking about a wall street speculation tax, there is no way you are going to come up with enough revenue to cover that. so you are deficit spending. when we deficit spend in this country, what to be due? we turn to china and borrow a bunch of money. >> harris: but kennedy, bernie sanders -- we saw elizabeth warren faltered with us, too. he's not pleading with voters based on those facts. it's emotion. he's not calling it a revolution, he's calling and eye movements. which could be a medical term. i won't get into that. [laughter] you are trying to reach people to something that isn't tangible. it's not this fact they were talking about. i come back to you, leslie.

you talk about those peoples in those areas that are going to vote for bernie. what makes you think that they will? a >> leslie: i don't. i believe the polls. i believe joe biden is up 24 percentage points. i believe joe biden will sweep michigan and the other states tonight. not washington state, the majority. >> kennedy: that's not a sweep, then. >> leslie: a majority is a sweep, i disagree. >> kennedy: a sweep is everything. that's what a sweep is. speaking of which, i've got to sweep us right out of out of here. [laughter] come into a very special coverage of tonight's key races. of course it's going to be anchored by our own bret baier and martha maccallum. 352 delegates, it will kick off tonight at six lakh p.m. eastern right here on fox news channel. picture in picture, fox business, as well. don't miss it. more and more public gatherings, canceled across the country. as officials try to slow the spread of coronavirus. will it actually helped? we will discuss next. ♪

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>> harris: the list is getting longer of major events canceled amid the coronavirus outbreak. boston is canceling its annual st. patrick's day parade, which usually draws more than 1 million people. universities across the nation, including harvard and princeton, are switching to online classes. major professional sporting leagues are closing locker rooms to the media. the nba's talking about possibly playing games in empty arenas, although king james said he's not going to do that. meanwhile, one house democrat is even calling on all presidential candidates to stop holding public events. do we need to go down that road? that's what italy is doing today. shut it down. do we need to do that? >> dr. siegel: not yet. i will tell you what the problem is. this should only be done if you think there's actually a virus in these arenas. if you're doing it for legal reasons, you don't want to get sued, or because of fear, you're spreading more fear. you are spreading panic. you are giving the message to people there is more of this

virus out there. that's what we need the testing for. we want to know how much of this virus there really is. >> harris: when he administration say it might look at closing down certain towns and cities, i asked seema verma about this, too. i'm curious what the task force is looking at. why would they even look at that? walking them down. >> dr. siegel: because they are concerned there is more community spread than we know about. they identify hot zones are areas where there is not really a lot of virus. the best way to contain it. we want to cook in the elderly and those most at risk. those who have chronic conditions, those are actually dying from this. we don't want virus but into their doors. we can cut down, we have to do it by shutting off -- >> harris: this worked in singapore but it's small compared to us. >> dr. siegel: yes, they've been very draconian about it. >> kennedy: about everything. they cane people for swearing. >> harris: they have any way, their average temperature in

january is 82 degrees fahrenheit. so it's been warm, which is why i questioned, will it really subside when it gets warmer? we don't know. >> dr. siegel: is only 130 cases per look at italy with 9,000 prints maybe the weather played a role. we don't know yet. >> melissa: i want to argue the other side of that. canceling things preemptively, as much as i love to stay home more than anyone else. so i'm happy to not go. we were doing, like you said, you're sort of spreading panic when it's not necessarily. you're also doing economic damage. >> dr. siegel: right. >> melissa: if we overdo the response, and we don't know what that means. i don't want people getting sick. that's not what i'm saying. i'm just saying that if we overdo the response and we stall the economy even more than we have to, that hurts people, too. >> dr. siegel: i agree with you on that. has to be proportionate to how much there is of the virus. not for legal reasons and not for fear. >> harris: all right. i do want to ask this, because

we were taking questions interactively yesterday and we didn't get to a couple that i thought were important. now hunt says, "how long do viruses stay on services such as delivered packages?" because a lot of people are getting stuff delivered rather than going out right now. >> dr. siegel: people are very afraid of things that came from asia and package delivered from china, i'm not worried about that. it can technically be on the surface with the answer is several hours, not days. you will get something that's mailed last week where you have any concern about that. >> harris: are getting some free health care right now. kennedy, do you have a question for the doctor? >> kennedy: my glands are little... >> dr. siegel: you look great, kennedy. >> kennedy: how do you tell the difference? we have a coworker upstairs who has bronchitis. how do you tell the difference between bronchitis, which a lot of people get, especially this time of year, and coronavirus? >> dr. siegel: coronavirus' cough, shortness of breath, fever, and sort through. those of the classic symptoms. if you have a question you would test a person, if you have the test. >> kennedy: very good. more tests. >> harris: we'll scoot.

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single election. >> harris: this hurts everybody in every single election. the only time i didn't most recently was the midterm, yet we still haven't heard from democrats what they would do to shore it up. they don't want to replace it, they want to shorten it up and make it better if they can. obamacare. a pox on both their houses, if you will. republicans and democrats. now we are in a crisis that involves the health care system. so it would be really helpful if somebody had something other than talking points and some vision. i mean that for everybody. doctor? >> dr. siegel: i think getting rid of the individual mandate helped a lot. that's the part that we doctors found most odious about obamacare. that forced people to buy a policy they couldn't necessarily afford with a restricted network of providers that had to be supplemented heavily. now they have more choices, more choices being added to the system. i was always a fan of the medicaid expansion, which brought health insurance to millions of people. i'm sure you supported it, too.

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introduce a payroll tax or at least asked for one at the legislators who have to make sure that goes into effect. that is in their wheelhouse. but he also talked then about that coronavirus. let me bring it back to the couch. one of the message, kennedy the president is trying to get across is this just isn't about government. that government, the federal government obviously is working, local and state government on the front lines and i would say their own governor andrew cuomo has been great in new york. but then it is a role for the private sector that they have to take. he met with health care officials, health care ceos today. you guys, you have to weigh in on some of these things and we have to work together. private and public corporations, dr. siegel's nodding, what do you think? before i think you are right. it is a fact bass response. you have to be able to trust yourself. that means go out and find

information and find it on twitter and facebook. go to legitimate sites that have actual data because there is a lot of conspiracy theories out there. things you can put in your body and over your body, you know. >> public and private cooperation on this. >> dr. siegel: surge capacity come in other words if people get sick, can hospitals and the medical sector, clinics, doctors and nurses come together to take care of them? that will be an enormous challenge. >> kennedy: can they? >> dr. siegel: the hospitals are full in this country. some were closing. we need to really ramp up and take great dedication and cooperation public and private. >> harris: that is something, i'm glad you said that, there has to be assurance to the health care and the facility that the government has their back. i would add that to the other steps to put out there for the entire package. so hopefully we will put

politics aside on capitol hill and talk about the measure is no doubt a different opinion how to respond. hopefully, they can come together and we came together on the couch. we are back here on the couch at 12:00 eastern tomorrow but for now i kick it over to harris faulkner into "outnumbered overtime." >> harris: and we will continue now with the president trump arriving on capitol hill moments ago to meet with some senate republicans. senate policy lunch they are having as they are set to talk about proposals to boost the economy and the coronavirus or covid-19 prep. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. let's look at the big number with stocks. a bit healthier today and up 216 so they have shed a little bit of a company back since the last hour but still very much in the green after a fierce sell of. president trump signaled he will announce a payroll tax cut later today. this comes as the marke