>> justin bernie sanders 1:00 p.m. eastern. >> sandra: an announcement to be made at 1:00 p.m., and no indication what that is about but watch for that. >> we will be watching and "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: let's get started with volatility in the markets today that we are watching. the dow jones taking another dramatic plunge. erasing yesterday's 1,000-point rally. as we look at it here, it is on a locum about 10:42, now a thousand 42 but it has come back at times we were watching this, it has not hit those on the s&p, 7% mark that we always watch for for tips for that, actually hold the market but that is not happen again. so we are watching it and i know those numbers are some -- something everybody is paying a closed attention to when we will get into that but meanwhile the coronavirus uncertainty is feeling the anxiety on

wall street and otherwise as mitigation efforts under discussion in washington. so if you will, we have gone from containment to can we mitigate the circumstances breaking out? we will keep a close eye again on the market if they react to this news coming in. and this fox news alert, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states has hit 1,000. nearly double what was reported two days ago. and across the globe, there are now more than 18,000 confirmed cases including more than 4,000 deaths at this point. in the u.s., at least 30 americans have died due to the illness with the majority of those deaths coming from the state of washington. and across america major universities from coast-to-coast or closing their doors telling students to take their classes online. new york state, the governor andrew cuomo has dispatched the national guard to set up a containment zone around a new area called new rochelle just a few miles east of

manhattan. meanwhile dr. anthony fauci a member of the white house coronavirus task force of the u.s. is vulnerable to shortages of personal protective equipment. that may include gloves, safety glasses and full body suits. dr. anthony felt she said what we do as a country in the next w days will be critical, watch. >> things will get worse than they are right now. how much worse they get will depend on our ability to do two things, to contain the influx in people who are infected coming from the outside and the ability to contain and mitigate within our own country. bottom line, it is going to get worse. >> harris: and again, you heard that word mitigate. this is "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner and here today melissa francis, dr. nicole saphier, and a fox news contributor. she is also author of the upcoming book "make america

healthy again" syndicated radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall in the first time in the seat, tom bevan and cofounder of "real clear politics" but you were on time, glad to have you here. >> tom: it is glad to be here. >> harris: we often talk about the aggregate of everything going on. but are you looking at the coronavirus as it sort of hits every corner of america in terms of what people are talking about right now? >> tom: absolutely there are a number of aspects, the human element and obviously, for the folks that have been affected by this tragic, there is the economic element and how that plays into what will happen perhaps in november. then there is the political element, the leadership of donald trump and his administration into the campaign, the canceling of all of these rallies, you know, how that will play out over the coming months.

>> harris: so by watching real clear politics and the surveying that you guys do, the rest of us get to learn a lot what people are talking about because of the questions you asked the public. so what kind of responses are you getting from people? >> tom: well, we actually don't do pulling ourselves, and so we are tracking the polling data coming in on the coronavirus, and it is a major concern. whenever anything like this happens and it becomes top of mind, it becomes very serious. we are seeing that now. climbing up the list of issues, list of concerns for voters in the public in general. you can't get much more saturated media coverage on this all that people are talking about and we see it in our daily lives. our daughter's school was canceled monday. i have family in washington state, including my grandmother who is 94 years old. so i think a lot of us are feeling it in our day-to-day

lives. so it's right there. >> harris: there you go. doctor, in the last couple of days since you and i were on the outbreak special that we did on the network, a lot of things have changed. is there more than the psychological effect of hitting 1,000? that seems to be a pivotable number in how the government health officials are reacting. >> dr. saphier: i am poor people to not get caught up in the numbers as far as behaving exactly the way we expect a novel virus that we don't know much about to behave. especially in a densely populated area like mainland china. during the chinese new year where we have more people flying internationally than that period of the year than any other time. the chinese officials, within a couple of weeks, that is much faster than needed from the start, however, what we did see, unfortunately during the early stages of testing, the government officials telling people this is not highly transmissible so while they were

waiting for test results, we send them back home. they weren't being quarantined initially which is why you so a rampant outbreak. again, it is densely populated there. international travel, we expect of these cases to come to the united states. that is the world we live in right now. >> harris: extrapolate out if you can what happened in china to how we reacted since it is day 51 and the first confirmed case in the united states. have we done enough in what more do we need to do? do we do enough in those 51 days. and now that we are talking mitigation, we heard dr. anthony felt he said containment, mitigate, moving into that zone where everybody hand's on deck, it will take all of us. >> melissa>> dr. saphier: we aby knew this was coming to the united states. >> harris: did we do that well? >> dr. saphier: travel plans and restriction in place and that was best thing we could do because dr. fallacy said decrease the amount of people bringing this to the united sta.

>> we did have people bring it in and we expect to see that. the trump administration extremely transparent, telling us every day what they are doing. the american society of microbiology just came out with a statement two days ago saying by the way, we are sure to make sure to test people so immediately, what did they do? the cdc changed and said instead of sending us two swab, they sent one swap and immediately that cuts by 50% which is exactly the sort of response we need to see from our administration. >> harris: real quickly before i open it up to the whole couch, one fast follow-up today, the cdc says it will loosen its rules for the gear that people where in emergency rooms and first-line health care workers. what does that mean? they may not have everything they need, so what do you choose? >> dr. saphier: this is a very complicated situation and right now, you see masks in the hospitals. they were different type of masks. we try to tell people don't wear

a mask if you don't need to. please don't wear a mask because people actually need these masks and they are running out of them. when people are coming to the emergency room right now, unfortunately, if they are not calling ahead to commit may be highly contagious and spreading the virus. so at this point they are saying anyone coming into the emergency room we have to put a mask on them because we don't know. so hopefully they will get some more supplies. we are seeing a shortage of them. >> harris: i just wonder, the weather is warmer than usual in a lot of places around the country. there has been so much talk about those that help? what impact does it have? does that help? >> dr. saphier: that is a double-edged sword because what happens when it's warm? runny nose, cough, allergy season, don't do that. know your body. if you have seasonal allergies, warm weather when it comes to coronavirus, tends to lower the amount of cases because warmer weather and the higher humidity.

makes the larger respiratory particles that don't actually travel as far. so it's not as contagious. i do suspect we will see a hump with the coronavirus just like they did in china. we will see an increase but it will slow down. there may be some more bombs over the next year but that is okay, that is expected and that's what viruses do. >> harris: white in singapore while the average temperature is about 82-85 degrees? why doesn't that help there? >> dr. saphier: it did help in one sense but the truth is this is a highly contagious virus and the limited data we have is showing much more contagious than the flu. if you have the flu, you are on average, effect one to two people but the coronavirus, you are infecting 7-9 people. it warm weather is going to help us, but it's not going to be the saving grace. >> harris: interesting. >> as you look at the

information online, where you may as a reporter, you know report something that someone just said in a press conference. they were so much sniping back and forth, you are lying. you are covering this up. it is hard, it is frustrating. i wonder what we could say to kind of tone that down? if you are not a doctor for example and you say there are test available. we were talking about this yesterday on the couch, we need a reagent to know how the test comes out. so there may be test available, but if you don't have the reagent, we don't know what the outcome is. you are lying. you said there were tests available. what language could be used to kind of tone down what i think his political sniping on every side around something so important? >> leslie: yesterday, we came out of the box, we came out too late and we came out to political. coronavirus doesn't say democrat

or republican in terms of respiratory. >> harris: it says you are human. >> leslie: exactly, we are human and end this all together. look, i feel strongly if people are looking to media people as well, we need to -- we can give the information we have but it is essential rather than going to an opinion blog or something like that, they are looking to the cdc, nih, w.h.o. to the medical community who do have the information. >> harris: one of the things real quickly, dr. saphier that you pointed out the current administration has made this available to give regular news conferences so we get to hear some of that one-on-one. meanwhile, a roller coaster for the markets as you know. mid fears over the outbreaks. this is the president has rolled out this economic relief plan. however, why he is facing a headwind even within his own party. plus, let's look live now burlingtonburlington burlington,

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still had not heard from senator sanders. and we've got the totals up now, the delegate count i think they will put on the screen at some point, but meanwhile as you see on the side of your screen is a live look burlington, vermont at the elector and where we expect the next 45 minutes or so, senator sanders to step up to make his comments. when that happens, we will bring it to you live on fox. >> it is more than a come back in my campaign. it is a come back to the soul of this nation. this campaign is taking off, and i believe we are going to do well from this point on. >> harris: victoria, joe biden is cementing himself as the front runner in the democratic race. the former vice president winning mississippi, missouri, idaho and more importantly, delegate rich michigan. sanders picking up a win in north dakota caucuses with washington state too close to call. this means that biden is

extending his delegate lead significantly. right now, he topped sanders by more than 160 delegates but in the meantime, fox analysis once again highlighting the age gap. biden turning up older voters significantly while sanders relied on younger voters. more than twice as many seniors turned out as young voters. and i want to lean on tom that bevan because lost my faith in polling during the last election cycle, but what you do with so great because you put together the average. you can see the trend. you can see what is going on across the board. how passionate do you feel like based on the numbers and the data are the biden supporters? some people wonder if the party poll is behind him. is it, you know, like in business terms, deal terms when you have companies poll on each other for support because they are trying to get together and

survive versus like a passionate unifying? what does it feel like behind biden? >> tom: joe biden, the interesting thing, we have never seen anything like this in political history, right? he was left four dead two weeks ago and completely turn the tables. and because of the way this race flipped upside down from a joe biden is the same guy he was two weeks ago. he didn't reach his message or do anything other than be himself, but we saw the dynamics of this race switch's so dramatically. he is so likable. and that it is of course important, democrats like him and they want to beat trump so they are falling behind him. even though biden may not be inspiring, you see the events he has. he doesn't have the biggest crowds, but turnout was like 40% in michigan. he got 250,000 more votes yesterday than hillary clinton got four years ago in the same state. bernie sanders got 20,000 less. so democrats, they may not be excited about joe biden, but they are excited about the

prospect of joe biden beating donald trump in november. >> with some parties and it kind of felt this way with republicans to say it is your turn. so we will get behind you and everybody sort of full's into line, but you know when your heart in the beginning that person doesn't have enough passion behind them across the country to take it over the finish line in the national election. for democrats, doesn't feel like that with joe biden that it's his turn? or does it feel like there was a real excitement? >> tom: there is a real >> thers real excitement about beating trump and among the majority of my party like myself that believe joe biden is that guy. iowa didn't agree with that, nevada didn't agree with that in new hampshire didn't agree with that. but nevada, new hampshire, iowa or the democratic party and are not true rest presentation of the nation. what we saw on super tuesday and what we saw last night mini

super tuesday really just filled with a lot of myths, one, left people, two he can bring people out to vote and enthusiasm and three, he can win outside of his african-american stronghold because he got rule voters to vote for him yesterday. he got white, working-class voters that bernie sanders got in michigan in 2016 to vote for him yesterday and in addition to that scummy educated white suburban voters especially the women under that category. so i mean, check, check, check. he is not strong with latinos but more than doubled over the youth. the youth and i'm sorry, millennials, you protest -- [laughter] -- and you tweet but you don't vote! >> it is incredible and i can't wait to ask how health care figures into all this. but bernie sanders to speak 40 minutes from now. and we know in michigan where he

won in 2016, the candidate back home in vermont gave no speech last night, which is rare for a candidate whether they win or lose. and michigan highlighted some of those key sanders issues, including his lack of support among black voters. biden winning fight two to three march in there. and a daunting road including arizona, florida, illinois, ohio all of which he lost four years ago. they talk about the ratio divide among voters and how that plays out, but i wonder, dr. saphier, a lot of people vote on the economy but you vote a lot on health care. bernie sanders was talking about something radical medicare for all sounds great, but people understand, i think, that that's not economically possible right now no matter what you do. the numbers don't bear out that it is possible. are they voting on health care in my opinion? >> dr. saphier: let's look right now, not only assessing health care but we are discussing the economy.

they are extremely, intimately tied together as we deal with covid-19. in some of the enthusiasm for biden is coming because we see what is happening in the market and biden has more market friendly policies then sanders does and people are concerned. we know our health concerns are being overrun. bernie sanders says we will get rid of the private sector so we are seeing market crashes, we will get rid of the private sector. and he says we should start paying drug companies less money for medications. we are dealing with shortages right now. what is the incentive to produce more? we have rapid vaccines that are already starting to recruit for trials. it will not be out for a year, but that is record-breaking time. if you take away the private sector from the nih, you will not see the same innovation especially not as fast right now. they are intimately tied together, and i think that is why biden is doing better right now. >> harris: while you were talking, it jogged my memory to something that came out a short period of time ago, the

white house considering executive order to reduce dependency -- dependency on chinese drugs. if we have learned something throughout this journey with covid-19 come a word that melissa likes to use as the coupling in that sense. a lot of our pharmaceuticals ingredients are the compounds putting them together, all of that happens for many of them over in china. >> melissa: india and the reagents are made out of germany. so we are connected global economy, that is true, but we want to make sure our patients and people have access to medications and when you deal with something like this, we should not have a resurgence. >> the flip side of that, bernie sanders wants to do medicare for all. so it was african-american voters who came out for joe biden. where were the other disparities that you saw in terms of polling between the candidates?

>> tom: you mean between sanders and biden? i think leslie hit the nail on the head. young voters have not turned out for him. there was this thought, especially after nevada where he did win majority of latino voters, he was expending this coalition. he was going to be able to really broaden but that turns out it has not been the case at all. in fact it shrunk in a two-week sense. he lost ground with working-class white voters and never made a connection with african-american voters. you simply can't win the democratic primary without scoring among african-americans. >> harris: can i ask a question come if you are president trump, you have to be looking over the political divide and sink him with those g voters did not show up for either one of them. you know, if ever an opportunity to get some of those independents and disinfected -- disaffected passion behind the vote, i wonder how many that het talked to them. and you know, he's already cut

notwithstanding because of this crisis, but the underlying bones in every sense are still there. >> tom: the irony is young voters turned out in big numbers in 2018 and help democrats take the house. people thought this is it. >> harris: so they do vote. >> tom: the younger generation is awake but not here in the democratic primary. >> harris: interesting, as coronavirus cases spread across the country, presidential campaign are going through drastic changes. health concerns over the virus may alter the 2020 race. plus, president trump facing pushback over economic relief plan as the markets continue writing the coronavirus roller coaster. look at that, the dell down 943 as we speak. ♪ i'm not hungry!

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we are waiting, bernie sanders will be out in about 30 minutes. we don't know what he's going to say after the relative shellacking he received last night from former vice president joe biden. but we will bring that live as soon as it happens. shellacking, stifling a laugh. another roller coaster day as you know for the u.s. markets after some of those losses. the dowel plunge today more than 1,000 points at the low. right now, it is down 987, and it's kind of been going back and forth, sometimes above a thousand. it's been much lower than this early in the day so we will watch it. president trump is facing some pushback through it all with his proposal to cut payroll taxes. the administration believes payroll tax cut could have the most immediate benefit for an economy burdened by the coronavirus crisis. sources telling fox news, the president would like to make the payroll tax cut permanent.

but some democrats are going after that proposal. senate minority leader chuck schumer tweeted this, the trump administration believes the answer to any problem as a tax cut. >> it is. >> harris: he didn't say that, that was melissa. any who, that was a health care crisis. it demands a health care solution. the best way to ensure economic security for the american people is to deal with the coronavirus itself. and republican senator lindsey graham also suggests he did not love the idea floated at the meeting with the white house officials, watch. >> i don't know yet. i don't know about that. we need an economic vaccine. i would like to have an economic packaged to the coronavirus to get into systemwide economic. the democrats want every program they ever dreamed of. the payroll tax stem... something i've got to think about because it does take money away from social security.

>> harris: . >> harris: senator john kennedy of louisiana also questioning whether stimulus would work out. i know you had a moment of levity right there but serious, that's a lot of money. >> melissa: i guess what frustrates me about this is president trump is saying, you know, there is a crisis going on. we'll want to let you keep more of your money. you are going to work and we will give a paycheck that is bigger to help what is going on. that would be immediate. you earned it. >> harris: why make it permanent? the two it only works if it is permanent, long-term. >> harris: wife? >> melissa: you plan to have more money in your paycheck and all of those people that said no, no, no chuck schumer it is so great to hear him spin why it is not a good idea to let you keep your money. he had to turn all the way to, you are not addressing the coronavirus. because he is going to say, no, america, you can't keep your hard-earned money we want to ear so we can spend up the way we see best peer that is why it frustrates me to know end, they want to control both sides of

the aisle. they want to control and they want you to send your money to them and then they will decide how to redistribute it. fundamentally, i disagree with those economics. >> harris: so i understand how you look at the numbers of long-term planning. when you look how much money people put their savings with or without eight payroll tax cut, it doesn't seem to change at all. people tend to be in the same place. >> melissa: we don't want them saving. they want them spending to keep the economy going. >> harris: my question, tom in the politics of it all and you guys are looking at it clear politics and that i worked it that you put together, how much psychologically does this affect people to know that the president is willing to do that. it is a very democratic type of way of dealing with this, throw some money at it, stimulus. >> tom: yeah, and as you mentioned, the estimate is $1 trillion to the deficit which is why he is giving perspective from the republicans. look, health care is number one issue in the selection and economy is number two. the economy is the best case that trump has to make the

voters. there is going to be economic fallout. we don't know how long it will last or how severe it will be, but you have seen from needling his fed chairman's to cut rates. he's pulling all the levers he can. this is one that he thinks will help keep the economy afloat. and mitigate some of these impacts certainly. >> harris: so critical to talk about the deficit because these guys have not cared about on either side of the aisle. i care deeply about the deficit. i don't want to blow a hole in it for sure but that should spend less. there is two ways to work on that math, stop the wasteful spending. >> tom: that is not something democrats will go for at all. >> they are republicans and also terrible spenders. >> leslie: lindsey graham and john kennedy are not the only republicans against a payroll tax cut. >> melissa: i know. >> leslie: and i cannot emphasize enough that this is not a win election year for the democrats and republicans if they can come together -- if

they can't come together on payroll tax cut but they can certainly come together to work with the president and his administration on make sure all tests are free to everybody on this, two paid leave and give the insurance health care that the government has their back. three, that is the trifecta come in my opinion, the democrats and republicans can agree on and we can start without. >> harris: or right, we have breaking news. it has to do with covid-19. the world health organization has just declared a global coronavirus. it is a pandemic at this point. let's talk about what that means peer of the criteria a pandemic describes wide world spread of disease involves a virus which most people do not yet have immunity. the virus can infect people easily and spread person to person. we are seeing those things. an employee's efforts to contain an outbreak in a region or country have failed. the pandemic describes how widespread an illness is.

and necessarily how lethal it is pure the w.h.o. is tightening its criteria for classifying an outbreak of a pandemic, and is working on a new definition as it relates to coronavirus. dr. nicole safir is with us, what does this mean? >> dr. saphier: to be honest, so this means nothing. a pandemic and you have alluded to is a new virus that we are not containing and spreading across the globe. this has artie been happening. so it is a matter of time before they call it a pandemic. what this means, this will continue to give us more funding to focus on this and they should not persuade us from what we are already doing. what chuck schumer was saying earlier, the only way to battle this is to treat the coronavirus because as you can see the long-term financial devastation from this panic can be worse than the virus itself. so we now have called this a pandemic, great, we know this. it's already in the united states. they administration is doing what they can from a specialty

standpoint to contain and mitigate. they are testing more, they are not having large gatherings. some schools are closed. they are doing what they need to do. the word is getting out. we are having daily briefings and people are being educated. what i'm not going to pretend to know is the economic percent that trump is. we have a president who has historically wonder for the economy who will continue to focus on that while he led the experts to focus on the viru virus. this is a very serious situation. anyone who says the coronavirus is not serious is wrong. this is very serious. any pandemic is serious. but this has been a pandemic for a while now. it has been on every continent for a while now. so it's just a matter of time before they actually call it a pandemic. it's a formality. >> harris: want to hit the pause button on the money part of it. i was reading early on that there were some countries that either weren't deploying

finances for it or didn't have them. i mean, you say it frees up the money, where's the money going to come from? are they looking to us for that? the u.n. has been criticized -- well you know. >> dr. saphier: they declared an emergency several weeks ago. the funding as well but it comes to the u.n. and different countries. right now you have china sending stuff to italy, and other things, masks, but matter of everyone working together. the money that came from $6.8 billion or $3.8 million approved, a lot of this goes to other countries to help fight this. this is not just for u.s. use. >> harris: can we talk about the potential measures from the w.h.o. that is breaking malcolm a potential measures to limit personal interactions include school clothes to my closings. that is interesting because we see a lot more of them. and i know you were in california so you know what i'm talking about, leslie because there's been more cancellations of public gatherings. we have seen that with the political rallies.

tom you had a thought about that. what about going forward not just the rallies but we had a lot of things going on. we have primaries coming up. >> tom: in one sense, we will see what bernie does, but looking ahead perhaps to the general election and the situation where we can have rallies. this is one of the things donald trump as bound. this is how presidential campaigns are conducted. if you can't have big presidential rallies in swing states it will change the dynamics and be focused more on social media which may benefit donald trump come i don't know. but it will be something unlike anything we have ever seen. >> harris: and/or a place we've never seen joe biden in this round and that would be television, right? we haven't seen him yet outside of the debate, leslie, do much television. in terms of ads. >> leslie: the whole thing come if you look at michigan alone, approximately 800,000 800 mailed in ballots and a lot of those ballots are by the older population. so this does change the dynamic. obviously, you will see more of

joe biden especially if he is the democratic nominee on television. if he doesn't have an audience. >> harris: does he have the money to do the ads? he out spent so much in super tuesday but he didn't need it because the party started to coalesce around him. >> leslie: a game changer for joe biden. he has millions to play with right now. >> harris: all right, i am hearing from the producer in my ear right now, 1,050 in just the last little while, cases confirmed in the united states of the coronavirus. on the heels, that information coming on the heels of the world health organization now breaking news, declaring a global pandemic with covid-19. as dr. saphier has been telling us this hour, we knew this was coming. it is a coding, if you will, of where we are with the struggle

to contain this worldwide. it does not mean it has become more lethal or any of that pure quick last thoughts? >> melissa: i want to point out let's remember we are at the epicenter of china. they are seeing new cases every day. and lujan they reported 24-hour periods of no new cases. less than three cases after first reported case, decreasing cases and some areas no new cases. so you guys, we have to ride this out and we have to be careful with the panic because i can have more long-term -- >> leslie: we have seen the governor here in the state of new york saying, -- >> harris: do we need to do that? >> leslie: it is something that we should take a page out of the hong kong playbook with coronavirus and learn from them and do what they start to do in new york. >> melissa: they were very strict. and i absolutely think we are doing the right thing with new rochelle, it seems drastic but when you have a large amount of people that are so close to

new york city where densely populated area, yes, this virus will continue to spread. but we should all have personal responsibilities, self quarantine if you are sick. wash hands, don't go out because we don't have to cancel everything. we can't have our country stop. that is not living life. you can make the decision to not go to the playdates with your children or maybe you don't need to go to that concert. don't wait for the concert to be stopped. >> harris: make personal choices. i love that. it is about self sacrifices particular -- particularly to help those that can't fight this off, the elderly with underlying conditions. all right the world health organization has declared a global pandemic, 1,050 cases in the united states now. 40 states with either positive or confirmed cases, presumptive positive cases that we know of and the district of columbia. we are watching all of this for you and bernie sanders was

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rinvoq. make it your mission. ♪ >> harris: we want to bring you the breaking news just moments ago. the word the world health organization declaring covid-19 a pandemic designating as such. the case is now at 1,050. this is not necessarily new information in the sense that we did know it was spreading all around the world on all of these continents. but actually designating it a pandemic will release some funds and officially have that title. as we look at the candidates making changes in their races, we see last night, candidates canceling their events in the trump administration or trump campaign come i should say has not come forward to say that they will be doing things differently, but we do see with

the democrats, and as i bring it back out to the couch, it does change the rays going forward. we have bernie sanders. he will speak at the top of the hour. we have been looking at an empty podium. we don't know what he will announce. we have some ideas, but we certainly don't know. how does it change the campaign and change the dynamic as you have this going on because that idea of drawing a crowd and even measuring a crowd, and he was willing to come out. the information gathering that we have seen, that has been one of the greatest weapons of the trump campaign has been all of these people willing to come out and give their emails, give their names, come volunteer. how does it change things? >> tom: wealth, it is a great question. we will see. like you mentioned earlier, without these big rallies which is a big feature of the trump campaign and also that is how people now campaign for president. trying to campaign in 50 states are at least 50 states in a matter of 202020, you don't have

time to get on the ground and shake a bunch of hands so you wouldn't be doing that anyway, right? it will shift to tv, social media, and it will be a different campaign. >> melissa: i've been dying to ask you this whole show. one of the things that moved the market yesterday was when chinese president went out for the first time, and president xi was standing there in my back. it kind of signal to people that it had moved on from china. they thought that was a big deal to go out and expose yourself in that setting. so here as we talk about not going out in the u.s. and we are kind of retreating. and you look at the time horizon. what did you think about that? was it safe for him to do that? at what point does it change and you say to people, okay, it's time to go back out. >> dr. saphier: we are seeing increasing numbers in the united states as we have community spread illnesses. we are a couple of months behind china.

the first case was december 30th and imagined it has been circulating for that. it has likely been circulating in the united states. we are just now testing it. it is a great look forward that they did that in the market. and i think we just need to remember that. >> harris: all right, we will be back with more "outnumbered" in a moment saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven stronger and longer on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.

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♪ speed went just a few minutes from now, we expect to see bernie sanders depp up to the p. we don't know what he will say or announce. we haven't heard from him since joe biden with a shellacking last night. so we will keep our eyes on that. i want to put everything together here. if we see the crowds going away, we will not have these big gatherings, it is interesting to handicap glue that holds and hurt. to me come in some ways, now, to shut things down for a while kurtz joe biden in a way because he will not get a lot of practice. he's not going to get the debate practice, and he's not going to get the exposure. the first thing he will face is president trump. i don't know. i would think you would want to get up to fighting speed by them. this idea a one-on-one debate i think would have helped him get ready for president trump. but you are saying no. >> leslie: no, bernie sanders in donald trump are very different style debaters. one of the things, you know,

that we are seeing when joe biden used profanity, talking to a white working-class blue-collar union guy, there were union people cheering him on line and people cheering him because what they saw, no malarkey joe who a lot of people feel lacked enthusiasm. when they see that guy come up fighting. if you talk about his son or you know attack guns when he's a gun owner, that is the joe they want to see go after trump. speed to go after trump ago after a voter? that is deplorable. it was just last night that he went after, you know, this boater and said -- >> leslie: that was in michigan where the app. >> melissa: so you think hide biden will help him. >> leslie: not having the crowds hurts trumps because he feeds off of the audience.

he feeds off of those rallies and quite frankly, he energizes people to go out and vote in those rallies. if he doesn't have the crowds, can he do that? >> harris: but dr. saphier, how long will this go on if we face the sequester here? it is march and the election is in november. it is hard to imagine we will be doing this through the whole summer into fall. if you look at china, the number of cases are down and like you said, you have president xi, and the whole thing started. >> dr. saphier: let's remember in china, four to six weeks now, and we are behind them. we just had a biogenic conference a few weeks ago that has caused a big outbreak there because of that. we are not there yet. we haven't actually shut things down so we are working on that and things are being canceled. give us four to six weeks of combining it and containing ourselves. i do think we will see it will be possible come summer months. but it is hard to say.

>> as the campaign progresses and these two go head-to-head as it looks like right now it would be joe biden against president trump. being able to sort of wrap joe biden in bubble wrap and toss him to the side for a while as nobody goes out in public does seem like it would benefit him in the short-term, but i wonder in the long run, do you get out of practice? the candidates, mike bloomberg was a great example of somebody that didn't do the work on the road so when he was thrown out there, he wasn't in fighting form. >> tom: but joe biden has been campaigning, debating. i'm not sure if you take a few weeks off and goes into hiding or something that when he comes back, he will still make the same that he made before. that is part of who he is and the question is whether the voters will hold him responsible for that and what those gaps may be. this will be a close election if biden turns out to be the nominee and it looks like he will be. it will be knockdown, drag outcome a lot of money spent, a

lot of ads spent, -- >> melissa: fun for all of us to watch. >> tom: will joe biden go head-to-head with donald trump? everybody that has tried that, it does not work. >> i don't know behaving on the trail, it looks like the voters as anyone else. all right, thanks to the whole couch, "real clear politics," tom bevan and you are looking at the podium. we expect bernie sanders to come out at any moment. so i will send it right now over to harris faulkner. >> harris: all right let's quickly pick up this breaking news as we are awaiting bernie sanders set to give his campaign calling a statement that we just saw him an update on his presidential campaign after dismal showing in a mini super tuesday and the sixth states last night. sanders lost key contest to rifle joe biden and in fact biden won every single county in missouri, mississippi and

michigan. you are watching "outnumbered overtime," i am harris faulkner. moments now vermont senator will speak to reporters from his hometown of burlington, vermont, and there are reports senator sanders plans to say he will stay in the race. of course, there is a lot of entry over this and what you would do. so we are watching it closely. as soon as he steps up, we will take you live. it comes after biden dealt a blow to sanders campaign winning four of the six content -- contest on mini super tuesday including the biggest prize, michigan. sanders managed to edge out a victory in north dakota. while the race in washington state still remains too close to coal. speaking last night, biden extended the knowledge will make all olive branch to sanders and his supporters. >> i want to think bernie sanders and his supporters for tireless energy and passion. we share a common goal and to w