it's a very important part of our conversation. that's going to be actually a very important part of our conversation. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: i think there's a lack of security. if they use huawei, it's a real problem with intelligence and intelligent security. we will see what happens. we will discuss that point, too. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: can they what? >> reporter: can americans -- >> president trump: we have them very heavily tested. if an american or anybody is coming back, we are testing. we have a tremendous testing set up were people coming and have to be tested. if they are positive and they are able to get through because of -- frankly, if they are not, we are not putting them on planes if it shows positive. if they do come here, we are quarantining. it's got to be a very strong

enforcement of quarantine. look, the key is you have to have separation. we have to have separation or this thing takes longer to go away. the really important, and i think you can see this for your country, we can say it for a lot of countries, or all countries, hopefully. it goes away. it's going away. we want it to go away with very, very few deaths. we call it cases, how many cases do you have? relative to other countries, we have very few cases. relative to certain of the major countries that really have a bigger problem than us. we have offered, interestingly -- i hav think we have the great doctors in the world. we've offered iran assistance. iran has a tremendous problem, and we have offered iran assistance if they would like it. we would help them, we'd be glad to help. >> reporter: speaking of iran, this are present, the pentagon have determined they fired the rocket to kill two americans in iraq. do you expect a response?

>> president trump: i'd rather not say. let's put it this way, you will see. but i can't say. i was working on that last night, also. they sent a lot of rockets. it hasn't been fully determined it was iran, as you know. it was a rebel group. but most likely, it looks like it could be backed by iran. we will see what the responses. >> reporter: mr. president, would you like to see the permit us to return to the white house next year? >> president trump: he's a friend, i always want him to return because he's a friend. we've been doing this for quite a while. we started off both new to the job, and yes, i would always like to see him. i know there are other people i know i get along with very well. we get along with the country. but this is a very special guy. >> would like to see you back in ireland, for a longer visit, i hope. >> reporter: would you like to see the president reelected in november? >> that's a matter for the american people, but

president trump and any american president is always welcome in ireland. >> reporter: [indistinct] are you aware of that? you were in contact. >> president trump: i did hear something about that. we had dinner together in florida, at mar-a-lago. with the entire delegation. the press say he was there. if he was there, he was there. but we did nothing very unusual. we sat next to each other for a period of time, had a great conversation. he's doing a terrific job in brazil. we'll find out what happens. i guess they are being tested right now. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: let's put it this way, i'm not concerned. >> reporter: yesterday we heard from an emergency room physician in houston who had a patient who was showing symptoms of something, tested negative for the flu. this position want to do test this person for coronavirus and got kind of what this doctor described as an infinite group

of stupid, trying to get permission for this person to be tested. is there is something you can do as a president to cut through those bottlenecks? >> president trump: i was watching, they have a million tests out now. over the next few days they will have 4 million tests out. frankly, the testing has been going very smooth. if you go to the right agency, if you go to the right area, you get the test. with that being said, as you know, millions are being produced. this is a brand-new thing that just happened, but millions are being produced. if you go back and look at the swine flu and what happened with the swine flu, you will see how many people died and how actually nothing was done for such a long period of time as people were dying all over the place. we are doing it the opposite. we are very much ahead of everything. >> president trump: this person did contact the correct authorities but they were closed for the day, he was on hold for an hour somebody tried to get a

test. >> president trump: you're talking about one case. i can certainly look into it, john. it's one case. i watched scott gottlieb today, who was with us, and i respect him a lot. i like him and respect him. he was talking about how -- in some instances, in california we have too many, and in other cases, distribution can be a little different for different areas. we've done a good job on testing. it's very interesting. you might ask scott about it, actually. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: i won't be going. i have other things to do, i'm very busy. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: sure, it's possible. it's possible i could also say that we could do it early. we could end it early. but i thought it was an important thing to do because of what's happening over there. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: well, i

think the democrats won't be having rallies, but nobody showed up to their rallies anyway, so what difference does it make? my rallies are very big. they're very big rallies. we'll be making a decision at the appropriate time. the next one scheduled is for the 25th, and that is in tampa. but we will have to see whether or not we do it. i'm not going to do it if i think it's going to be negative at all. if we haven't make that turn it. we will make the turn. the question is when, and the question is how many people will die? i don't want people dying. that's what i'm all about. i made a very tough decision last night, and a very tough decision along time ago with respect to china. i don't want people dying, and that's why he made these decisions. whether it affects the stock market or not, very important. but it's not important compared to life and death. so i had to make that decision. frankly, the people that are professionals praise the decision.

it is something i had to do. i think you will see the end result is very good because of it. it'll take a period of time. no, on the rallies, we will make that decision. but at this moment, i was going to las vegas, i was going out to nevada, as i said. i was going to colorado, where we have cory gardner running, and he's doing a great job, by the way. he's done a fantastic job. but we've postponed that. i think we will have cory coming in here, maybe on friday. we will do our event from the white house. but we have a lot of things we are moving around because of what's happening, and because i want to be here. this is the nerve center, i want to be right here. i don't want to be flying around in airplanes all over the place, i want to be right here. >> reporter: clearly are not being advised for small groups like this. >> president trump: people said, you are dealing with people that maybe you don't want to do with.

i said, "you are right about that." >> reporter: i'm wondering if anyone counseled you against straying too far from the white house. >> president trump: they have not, but it's common sense. what i say, use common sense. like washing your hands and certain things. keep a little bit of distance away. that's why the sporting events are a little bit tough, you have people sitting in small seats right next to each other. so it's a little bit tough. what happened with the nba's pretty incredible, but you look over in europe and you see the big soccer matches are canceled. it's pretty amazing when you think of what's happening. how fast, this part of the world. one country, four countries, than it was nine. i'm reading this list every week. and it was 13, that it was 22. now i guess it's over 100 countries. it's an amazing thing, how fast this one spreads. this is a very fast spreader. >> reporter: any more thoughts about the tokyo olympics?

>> president trump: no, i just wish the prime minister -- he's a great friend of mine, prime minister abe. i wish him luck. they did such a perfect job, the venues are incredible. he was proudly showing me pictures of what they've done the last time i was with him. this was before this came up. i said, "what a job." they built it very well, they built it on budget, even under budget. they are beautiful facilities. i don't know. it's very possible that for the olympics, i just can't see having no people there. in other words, not allowing people. maybe, and this is just my idea, maybe they postponed it for a year. maybe they do that, if that's possible. maybe it's not possible. i guess it's never happened with the olympics. although i think there was interruption for wars. it was canceled or interrupted. i say maybe they postpone it for a year. it's a shame, because really, i used to be in the real estate business, as you probably heard.

i built beautiful buildings, and they've built some really beautiful buildings. >> reporter: would you make that recommendation to shinzo abe? >> president trump: they are very smart, they will make their own. if you cancel it, make it a year later, that's a better alternative than doing it with no crowd. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: we didn't shake hands today, we looked at each other and we said, "what are we going to do?" it's sort of weird feeling. i just got back from india, and i didn't shake any hands there. it was very easy because they go like this. and japan goes like this. they were ahead of the curve. [laughter] we look at each other and we also had a lot of press staring at us. "are we supposed to shake hands?" when his group are very smart represented us came in, who i know, likewise. it's a very strange feeling. i was never a big hand-shaker,

as you've probably heard. once you become a politician, shaking hands is very normal. it's a strange feeling when people you know and like, they walk up and say hi and they are just like this. it's a little bit different. >> it feels impersonal or like you're being rude. for the next few weeks -- cope >> reporter: mr. president, could you talk about the trickle for effect piercing of everything? when you cancel an nba season, you're losing all of the revenue. through the entire economy. >> president trump: it has an obvious effect. the only worst thing would be you lose thousands and thousands of people, more than you would have lost if you did it the way we did it. it definitely has an impact. we are working with the states. the states or a smaller form of government, they can control individual arenas and individual things better. it's different for different areas. some areas have no problem whatsoever in our country, and

others do. so we are working with the governors of the various states. i think it's working very well. i think the relationship has been very good with california and some others that in particular have been hit. >> reporter: it looks like you will be taking joe biden down, are you happy? >> president trump: i would have read is, i hope they make that choice soon. everybody thought it would be bernie. i've said elizabeth warren, if she waited that extra three days, four days, and super tuesday was a disaster, he would have won back every one of those states or i think almost everyone of those states. maine, massachusetts, texas. do take a look at the states that are very close, many of her -- most of her, i would even say all of her -- many of her votes would have gone to him. had she left prior to super tuesday, just a few days, he would have right now been declared ritually the winter. it would have been over.

but now we have joe, and i'm very happy to run against joe. one of the reasons i ran for president is because of joe, and the job they did. it's one of the reasons. in a way, it is maybe the way it should be. but it looks to me like it would be biden would win. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: we haven't discussed that yet. as of the possibility? yes, if somebody gets a little bit out of control. if an area gets too hot. you see what they are doing in new rochelle, which is good, frankly. it's the right thing. but it's not enforced, it's not very strong. the people know they are being watched. new rochelle, that's a hot spot. >> reporter: [indistinct] >> president trump: i asked him what's going on, they are having a dispute with russia. this is something that drove oil

prices down. one thing i can tell you is oil prices are at a point now that i would have dreamed about, because the gasoline prices are going to be coming way down. they will be coming way down. with gasoline prices coming down, that's like a tax cut. frankly, that's like a big tax cut, not a little tax cut, for the consumer. so there is something about that that i like. thank you very much, everybody. thank you very much. >> melissa: that is president trump addressing the coronavirus pandemic during a meeting with the prime minister of ireland, saying his administration is taking all necessary actions to curb the spread of the virus, and sounding optimistic that the markets will rebound. this, i made a really shocking sell-off. escalating here on wall street. take a look at that, down almost 10%. better than 9%, more than 2,000 points firmly in bear market territory. wall street briefly suspending

trading today for the second time this week, after the markets dropped 7% on the s&p at the start of trading today. this, as fears over the spread of coronavirus rattles global stocks. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. dr. nicole saphier is here, board-certified physician, fox news contributor. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov, is here as well. in the center seat we have the host of "deep dive" on fox nation, and main street journal columnist for "the wall street journal," bill mcgurn. he is "outnumbered." a very serious day here on the couch. have a lot going on. i want to start with that really dramatic sell-off in the morning, because we knew last night when the president made that announcement about the travel ban that the first response i saw from a lot of people was, "wow, the market is going to take tomorrow." that it certainly was going on right now. it hasn't closed, so we don't know where we are going to end

the day. one smart thing i've heard from a lot of people lately -- and tell me if you agree with this -- is that stocks are going to be really volatile and continue to go down until we see a turnaround in the number of cases. that that is really kind of probably where our bottom is. that the uncertainty, until we see the inflection point like we saw in china, where instead of having more cases every day you start to have fewer, that we really won't have any real stability anywhere. because we don't know where this is going until that begins to happen. do you agree with that? >> bill: yeah, i'd go further. as you point out, we have seen that in china. but it hasn't combed markets. because in other places it is still going up. look, markets hate uncertainty. the only thing certain about this is we still have such little knowledge about the virus. we don't have a vaccine, we don't have any -- i think people

will need to have some knowledge. not just seeing cases go down. it can be mysterious. some better understanding of what's at stake. how long a vaccine would be off, and so forth, before people feel very sure. otherwise it the big fat question mark. it's like canceling the travel ban. i don't blame people for taking steps, but my question is, what is going to be the criteria to reverse the travel ban? maybe it is that they just say the deaths are going down. the reported cases. but i didn't know what that is. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: that's an interesting question for the president did had that a couple times last night when he first spoke from the oval office. he said we would look at releasing that very quickly. but we don't know what the parameters are for that, for flight and travel and all that. i do find it interesting this morning what the president was saying, defending the travel ban. also, what bill de blasio

said. let's take a look at the president first. >> we've taken some bold steps. we took the original boldest setup of all when we closed very early with china. that helped to save thousands of lives. we went very early ago. where they said nonresident foreigners, they didn't want coming in. but they did an exception. they said some of their foreign students, what they had them do was quarantined them in another country for 14 days. and then they could come in into australia if they didn't have any symptoms. here's the problem, some of these people were quarantined in dubai. >> harris: that's where they had cases. >> dr. saphier: we have covid-19 in australia, tom hanks has it from australia. >> jessica: he got a test really fast though. which are widely available and free for everybody. >> melissa: the cdc is saying this morning -- we had the spokesperson on thei our air -- saying it's a pandemic that can be controlled. how do you do that, as the next question.

disrupting how it's being transmitted for travel. you got to disrupt, break up how people are getting in contact with each other. >> dr. saphier: it's not just travel anymore, we have to remember that. we have a large swath of community spread going on. but we don't want to introduce new cases into the country. we want to focus on what we already have here. >> jessica: there seems to be -- this is piggybacking on what you were saying, bill, which was a smart point about how we unwind from this. even if it's a year from now or however long, god forbid, it takes to get this under control. there was no justification given last night in the oval office, addressed for why the ban was countries, with the u.k. exception. i've understandini understand ts attend at this point. they more cases in the u.k. than other european countries according to the cdc. >> harris: i've got the stats here, there in the top ten. >> jessica: in the u.k., exactly. in terms of the connection to the markets, i think it's

important, and i know i have been criticized before for politicizing or talking about the political angle of this. but the addresses read off a teleprompter, so preprepared remarks, contained three glaring errors the white house had to walk back within minutes. including saying we would ban cargo coming from europe. that everybody was banned from traveling from europe. so there were americans -- i don't know if people have seen the pictures at charles de gaulle, americans showing up and paying of the $20,000 to come home when in fact they weren't banned from that. where the president saying co-pays will be waived by insurance companies for the testing and for treatment, when that is not true. just for testing, not for treatment. the inaccuracies coming from the white house are creating or fomenting, increasing, whatever word you want to use, the panic around us. >> dr. saphier: i will be honest, communication and transparency is incredibly important right now. we are already in a state of panic. some of these, albeit they may seem like small mistakes, people are really counting on them. some people will say these --

>> jessica: i don't think the president's defenders can say that it's even a small mistake. >> dr. saphier: i do think the transparencies extreme important. my concern, he didn't expand why just europe. i understand there's borders -- >> melissa: just a starting place. >> dr. saphier: these other countries that have hunkered down and see decreasing cases, it's because their internal municipalities have self quarantined. it's not just that we are picking a couple places where restricting. we are saying, "no holds barred, for a solid three weeks or so." >> melissa: i hear you. i want to bring bill back in. before we jump in on what the errors are, and what is wrong with this, to me, there are two copoints. number one, this is a starting point. i don't think he said "this is the only place we are going to be doing these bans forever." i think it's the beginning of where we are starting. the second thing is, we don't know the answers. payment and how these things are going.

when you go in and attacked, it doesn't feel productive, and the president was trying to say with last night, the big message was he's criticized by democrats all day long who aren't happy with a single thing he's ever done. saying he's not taking it seriously. and last night was about, "we are taking this very seriously." >> bill: i have a lot of some of the as a former speechwriter for the president. i remember katrina. all these problems go the same way. there's no knowledge, lots of mistakes early on, lots of misinformation or miss impressions. the key is -- don rumsfeld used to say the two biggest challenges, you have the known unknowns, what you know you don't know about it, and the unknown unknowns. the president isn't a doctor. i think for the transparency, what i think is best is for, almost every day, for the president or some member of the team to go out and say what we've learned, what we don't

know. >> dr. saphier: they are doing that. i really do believe -- >> harris: and dr. fauci is doing an amazing job. >> bill: the key is, when you don't know, the solutions tend to be big and he probably have a lot of inefficiency. whereas when you know, when you really know some of the problems, just how communicable it is and so forth, you can target a lot better. i don't really blame any of the mayors, any of the people, for what they are trying. because they don't know. and people look to the political leaders as sages. >> melissa: i'm not looking to him for medical information. i would say to anyone out there, i would look to the media for medical information, either. the cdc is tweeting. they are having question-and-answer sessions. they are putting up new information all the time. that's where i'm going to get medical information and advice, trickery from the cdc. go ahead, harris. >> harris: this is from the world health organization. the president should be given credit for looking at europe.

today, italy, 10,149 cases, 631 deaths. that is part of that travel ban. there are some who were critical of the president early on for what he did with china. i don't know how early on he wanted to do this with europe. i would say that the united kingdom -- and they will be some other places that you might want to fold in from those areas, because it's listed under the european region for the cdc and w.h.o. but this is -- when you look at the burst of cases in italy, dr. saphier -- >> dr. saphier: because they have open borders, that's why it, in my opinion, the institute of the travel ban. >> melissa: the coronavirus outbreak spreading to nearly all 50 states, forcing the nba to suspend its season, and the ncaa to make an enormous change to march madness. the staggering statistics ahead. plus, bernie sanders refusing to drop out of the presidential race, even as a biden internal memo says his chances are

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>> melissa: we want to bring you what we know about the number of coronavirus cases right now. the world health organization saying the total number worldwide now topping 124,000, in at least 108 countries. that number come up over 5% since yesterday total deaths worldwide, now about 4600. here in the u.s., over 1300 cases with 36 deaths. washington state right now is

the hardest-hit in terms of fatalities, with 29. >> last night, obviously, was not a good night for our campaign. while our campaign has won back the debate, we are losing the debate over electability. i cannot tell you how many people our campaign has spoken to who have said, and i quote, "i like what your campaign stands for, but i'm going to vote for joe biden because i think joe is the best candidate to defeat donald trump." >> melissa: wow. and of but he went, "did he say i'm not electable?" senator bernie sanders refusing to drop out of the race for the democratic presidential nomination despite a disappointing night on the mini tuesday when he lost several key states of former vice president joe biden. this, as an internal biden campaign memo optimistically

states there is virtually no chance sanders can regain his momentum. here it is in part. "it's not just that sanders has failed to enact a large number of states, it's also that these wins have not netted significant delegates for him in the way they have for us. should our broad base of support remain, it would be nearly impossible for sanders to recoup his current delegate his advantage." he says he's losing the debate on eligibility why is bernie sanders still in this race? >> bill: is a good question he wants leverage. >> harris: leverage for what? >> bill: for a platform fight or something to move the party his way. >> harris: he's kind of already doing that, isn't he? >> bill: i was looking at the numbers of the states and territories they won. when he came into this campaign, i think a lot of people thought he would prove his performance

over 2016. he said four years to build up his campaign. people thought he was the future. i think it's possible he does worse than he did in 2016. joe biden already won twice as many states, and so forth. the popular vote, he could get less. it just changes a lot of assumptions. that said, i think joe biden was exceptionally lucky. all politicians that would make our wiki, so it's not unique to him, but he won in south carolina. before that, the other candidates basically left him alone in the debates because they thought he was dead and didn't really challenge him. so he kind of had a free ride and some of the debates. they not only won in south carolina, but one big. there was no debate between south carolina and super tuesday. in fact, there is not a debate until after this week. >> harris: one of my favorite games that games at carnivals and whatnot is whack a mole. i wonder if what's going on right now for bernie sanders is your party, jessica, answering

back with, "they are going left, but bring them on the head again and being him on that again." he comes out with crowds but is people don't show up to vote with him. >> jessica: bernie sanders' people well, right. when your main mode of rally style is to bring in a band like the weeknd, you will have the people attending the concert. young people don't vote. that isn't changing. this is an argument that goes back and forth between the progressive left and the establishment. certainly the 65 plus age category, you have the reliable voters. it's important to enthuse and excite young voters. guess what? they will get older and start voting. when i was watching bernie sanders' press conference yesterday, yes, my jaw at the floor with losing the electability debate, which is what this is about. but he is setting us up for a unity moment train he was

telegraphing to biden, "these are things my voters want to see." >> harris: and he'll bring them along. wow. >> jessica: first of all, bernie sanders hates donald trump and absolutely wants to get him out of office. he knows the writing is on the wall there. >> harris: you said something about those older voters over 60 and all of that. you know what they do like, dr. saphier? they like health care that is mainly they had something to do with choosing. that maybe they can depend on. "we are going to try this new thing, it's not a revolution come as movement!" this medicare for all. speaker they have a current medicare system where it's coupled with a strong private system. in the majority of people on medicare have supplemental private health insurance. i do think it's interesting, i i had not thought about what you

just said. maybe there is a moment of unity. however, the fundamental differences between sanders and biden's policy proposals i think are just too great. if you are a stark sanders supporter i don't know how you can jump on biden's bandwagon, and vice versa. >> melissa: i think it's a different theory, that he is betting joe biden will implode. he sees that as a possibility, and i'm not saying it's going to happen. i'm saying i think this is the strategy. that bernie sanders is saying to himself, "i don't know how stable joe biden's. we get up, we have a debate, he said something crazy, if something happens on the trail, whatever. i'm the last man standing." "why in the world what i agreed to go away right now can i give this guy blows up, if there's even a chance of that, i'm the one that is standing by ready to jump in, because i'm in the race, i will have the most delegates." so i think he's hanging in just in case. to me that seems like -- it's a

real strategy. if it were me i might be thinking like that. why am i going to bow out right now? >> jessica: i'm more in jessica's cam mrs. clinton directly accused bernie of contributing to her defeat by not supporting him. the democratic party does have a problem that bernie has created an insurgency. >> jessica: he has to control it. >> bill: what do you do? what do you do when they -- do they go away? to some of them regard joe biden the same way they regard trump? i don't think bernie wants to be the guy, fairly or unfairly, accused of losing the election to donald trump. be when we are going to move on because we have to. sorry. meanwhile, from pro sports to concerts to the nation's business, the corona virus outbreak causing big changes in america's public life today. a new study may tell us how long the virus can survive. not just on your hands, not just on services, but in the air.

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>> melissa: the coronavirus outbreak increasingly changing daily life in the u.s. the nba temporarily suspending it season after a player with the utah jazz reportedly tested positive for covid-19. in the past hour, new reports one of his teammates has now also tested positive. ncaa saying no fans will be allowed to attend march madness games, as more colleges cancel games and other events and move classes online. the white house and the nation's capital suspending public tours, and many lawmakers closing their

offices. california governor gavin newsom joining state health officials and recommending gatherings of 250 or more people be canceled. he says, "changing our actions for a short period of time will save the life of one or more people. you know that's the choice before us. not holding that concert or community event can have cascading effects, saving thousands of lives and preserving critical health care resources that your family may need a month from now." oregon and washington state following suit. all this, as a new scientific study reportedly finds the virus can survive in the air for up to three hours. you can expect to hear the term "social distancing" a lot. the cdc recommending to maintain a 6-foot distance from others if possible. uh-oh! >> jessica: this couch is looking really cozy. [laughter] >> melissa: we talked about this in the break. a lot of the times you think you

know what it means, but it doesn't mean that. for example, saying how long the virus can live on a surface is different from how long that virus living on the surface is then able to infect you. those aren't the same things. right? >> dr. saphier: that's obsolete right. next time i check my twitter feed i'm sure everywhere will say the coronavirus cannot live in the air for the next three hours, because this is what social media does. it causes a lot of panic. this is a study that came out with results from the nih virology unit. they spread some novel coronavirus, and there conclusion was the virus can live up to three days on steel and plastics, and about a day on cardboard boxes. before everybody stops buying from amazon, let's be smart about this for a second. first of all, you shouldn't be touching cardboard boxes that come from amazon and then putting your fingers in your mouth. you know what is on the box anyway. you should always be practicing that sort of hand hygiene. there is absolutely no proof that there is spread of this virus from inanimate objects.

so yes, the virus may still be present. >> harris: were always told to wash our hands. these are you absolutely should you can touch something and potentially it won't infect you. but for this particular virus we do not have proof that it is spread via at inanimate objects. you are able to contract terms by touching things, we do know that. the point is, i don't want you to feel that if someone touches a piece of plastic that three days later -- it's the same mentality when it comes to the flu, when it comes to common colds. >> harris: so you can get infected by touching inanimate objects, but not three days later. i gotcha. >> dr. saphier: we don't have proof that this virus is spreading disease through inanimate object touching. because every person who has had a positive test has had some sort of community spread. so there hasn't been a positive case where they have not been in contact with -- exactly.

>> harris: so why the hand washing so much? >> dr. saphier: because it's likely possible you can get it via spread this way, but we don't have any proven cases of that right now. i know this is sounding very confusing. i'm trying to just focus on the data. you should always be washing your hands, you should always be not touching. if someone sneezes and it goes immediately on you, and i put my hand in my mouth, i have a higher likelihood of catching it at that point. the biggest way to catch it as if jessica sneezes and i immediately inhale it. all the different modes of transmission, from jessica touching the table and me touching that table. >> harris: dr. siegel had told me that when you sneeze it takes 10 feet for this particles of spittle to drop. >> dr. saphier: 6 feet as a recommendation, a lot of study show it's really up to nine or 10 feet of the particles can go. again, you are lessening the likelihood of becoming infected. the farther you are, if you are 1 foot versus 2 feet, you are

lessening or likelihood. because there'll be fewer particles. that's the point with washing their hands. if you wash your hands, it's less likely you are going to be infected. most things aren't going to bring it down to zero unless you self quarantine and keep yourself -- >> harris: it's always a good idea to wash her hands. >> melissa: the 2020 race is hardly immune from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. next, how the candidates are rethinking their approach to campaigning. ♪ don't just plan to retire. plan to live. an annuity helps cover your essential monthly expenses, so you're free to live the life you want. find out how an annuity can give you lifetime income at protectedincome.org

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>> harris: the coronavirus outbreak is having its impact now on the 2020 campaign. democratic front runner joe biden and senator bernie sanders now canceling upcoming campaign events with biden to hold viral events -- virtual, i should say it -- and said. he is hoping they will go viral. this, head of the presidential debate, which the dnc now says will be added at cnn studio in washington, d.c., not as previously planned in phoenix, arizona. this comes after a decision to remove the live audience from the event over coronavirus. the studio won't have any people in it other than necessary to broadcast. there are also growing questions over how this could affects the

democratic and a biblical national conventions in charlotte and the walkie we're getting some word on that. bill mcgurn, as you look at the politics of this, we will wait and see kind of how -- but it's already having an effect. if you are doing events and you are joe biden, and you already haven't spent a ton of time -- average some speech only 7 minutes now on the stump -- with the public, does this hurt you >> jessica: i'm not sure that's bad i may less is more can a person on speeches. >> harris: you are a former speechwriter! >> bill: that's right. the gettysburg address was 270 words, and the ten commandments, we remember those, right? 's do i get you! >> bill: we could be back to the front porch campaign. he comes out, talk to the press for a while, goes back inside government is in trouble. now you can do it much easier with -- technology. the second question, this is the

question that i have. i understand they don't have answers. we have a travel ban on europe, we are going to have no guests, no fans at the ncaa, schools are closing. what is going to be the criteria by which they reopen? we don't know -- >> harris: that's a second time you've asked a question like that. what you are saying is nothing can be done in perpetuity. so how do we know -- >> bill: what is a reasonable reduction of the risk? >> dr. saphier: we need to see an equilibrium of new cases. but that won't be enough. it'll have to be once we have a significant decline in the majority of recovered cases. the only way to get there is going to be aggressive testing. you quarantine the sick and get their contacts and make sure they are quarantined and well. until we have access to these tests, we are not there yet. you see south korea and china -- china because they had massive quarantines and testing.

south korea had four private biotech companies make their own tests, which is why they had ample testing. >> harris: we got to catch up on the test. i want to get to the president and what he said about the rallies. let's watch. >> the democrats won't be having rallies, but nobody showed up to the rallies, anyway. my rallies are very big. they are very big rallies. i'm not going to do it if i think it's going to be negative. the question is, how many people will die? i don't want people dying. >> harris: they were 10,000 people at bernie sanders, kind of unfortunate for him. >> bill: i'm not sure bernie sanders' problem at this moment is not being able to have a rally. he himself admitted that there is a substance problem. people don't think he could win. it will transform things and it will be interesting to see how they adapt. the good news for candidates, first of all, you have a guy has the same problem you do. we have the technology where they can debate, for example. >> harris: or the front porch. i want to give the last few to

jessica. >> jessica: the trump campaign is obviously going to be paying attention to the risk has rally goers, as well. he loves to rally. it looks like there was the brazilian president's aide at mar-a-lago over the weekend, has tested positive for covid-19 for the president was there. there's a possibility that he was exposed. voting is something to think about. we need to talk about mail-in ballots. people cannot necessarily be showing up. >> harris: we've got to scoot. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. give me your hand! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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speech you think you to the whole couch. it was a great hour with a lot of news. i think we got some good information out there. i also want to direct people, dr. saphier has a great piece right now on foxnews.com talking about the role that chronic illness is playing in this. you also have a terrific book. tell me the name again? >> dr. saphier: "make america healthy again."

>> harris: here's >> melissa: here's harris faulkner. >> harris: to begin with this fox news alert, we are waiting former vice president joe biden, who is set to speak from his home state of delaware, talkingn the coronavirus pandemic. this is "outnumbered overtime," and harris faulkner. moments from now, the front runner for the democratic presidential nomination will speak on the nation's response to coronavirus from his perspective. this come after his campaign canceled upcoming rallies in an effort to stop the virus from spreading. the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states. let's take a look now. it's now over 1,300, including 36 people who have died. earlier this week, biden appeared to