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funding issues while we wait for congress to get a some kind of a deal on funding and other emergency measures. >> sandra: that was a three hours, ed henry. >> ed: ready to go monday? >> ed: have a good weekend. >> sandra: "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: breaking news this hour, president trump set to declare a national emergency over coronavirus, or covid-19. he is set to make remarks from the white house today at 3:00 p.m. eastern. this, as his administration has announced a series of steps aimed at increasing our capacity for broad testing of this virus. as of today, the number of global coronavirus cases has reached 132,000, including about 5,000 deaths. here in the united states, more than 1,600 confirmed cases. at least 41 americans have died due to covid-19. state officials have voiced frustration over the lack of
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tests being done or even provided. this week dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, acknowledged the system is failing. but today, he said, improvements are on the way. watch. >> right now as we get involved with the private sector, in the next week or two, we will start seeing a major increase in availability of tests. >> harris: the federal government has not yet issued any official numbers for the nation's overall testing capabilities, and different agencies have provided conflicting information. as you know, we've been reporting that here on "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. dr. nicole saphier, board-certified physician and fox news contributor. fox news contributor jessica tarlov. in the center seat, guy benson, host of "the guy benson show" on fox news radio. he is "outnumbered." reaction from everyone here in a moment. i first want to go outside the
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white house to chief white house correspondent john roberts. 3:00 p.m., the world will be watching. >> harris, there are so many moving parts to the story. so much has happened in the past half hour. the president said he will have a press conference at 3:00 this afternoon. fox news has been told the president is likely to declare a national state of emergency, or a national emergency under what is known as the stafford act of 1988. what this does is unlocks fema disaster funds in the same way it would if there was a massive hurricane or a big earthquake or some other natural disaster here in the united states. that will put into force the full weight of the funding of the federal government for disaster relief, to do all kinds of things that the president may designate as a result of this. now, in another story that seems to change back and forth, literally minute to minute, we were told just recently on "america's newsroom" but eduardo bolsonaro, the son of the brazilian president jair
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bolsonaro, his father tested negative for coronavirus. that was about an hour after he told us the father, his president, tested positive for coronavirus. what the real status is of that, we don't know. we note our president was in proximity to bolsonaro for a few hours last saturday night at mar-a-lago. is that now have applications as to whether president trump can get tested? we found out in the last half hour that francis suarez, the mayor of miami who was in close contact with bolsonaro and his team over the last weekend, has now himself tested positive for coronavirus. on the subject of testing, that remains a real problem here. more currently existing tests are going out. some 4 million are supposed to be out there in the communities by the end of the week. maybe the end of the weekend. also, health and human services is giving more than a million dollars to two companies that are developing rapid diagnostic tests for coronavirus.
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the two tests may be able to detect whether a person has the virus within an hour. white house democrat still working to hammer out a financial package to help expand testing, also expand paid medical leave and on employment insurance. but the white house is still pushing for a payroll tax cut, getting rid of that 12.4% employee and employer-paid tax for social security until the end of the year. here's what the treasury secretary, steven mnuchin, said about it earlier today. >> the president is very interested in the payroll tax cut because of the giant stimulus. we are working with congress on that. if congress wants to do the stimulus in a different format, we will consider that. the president wants to put money in the economy for hardworking americans who are impacted by this. >> where we are overall in this crisis, mnuchin said we are in the second inning and a lot more is going to be needed including possible financial help of some sort for the airlines of the united states which are being
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impacted so heavily by this. really, harris, that's only the beginning when you look at the overall trickle-down effect of what's happening in the economy from the coronavirus. and that's just all in the last hour. >> harris: i know, i feel like we should come back to you every five seconds because you have so much to bring us. thank you for the great work as always. dr. saphier, you have been so good at this point in terms of leading us through the don't panic zone. how much does it help to have the president acknowledge where we are? >> dr. saphier: on social media they say i'm doing a good job at "momsplaining." obviously because i'm a mother. i'm trying to make it so people understand what's going on. the president is the leader of our nation. it's very important for him to take a stance and tell americans how serious this is and make sure we understand the steps he is taking to help mitigate the outcome here. there has been some mixed messaging and a lot of people
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are getting frustrated. what we want to see at this 3:00 p.m. press conference are a couple things. we want him to address the testing issues, but now that there is some controversy as to whether or not he's had contact with covid-19-positive patience, he needs to address this. the nation needs to know. >> harris: let's press on that. guy, i will bring in here. we were watching his son, eduardo. some of us had kind of a visceral reaction as he went back and forth with what maybe the facts are. if that seems unfair, watch the tape. he's not a doctor. so it might be unfair for him to even be put in that position. i don't know who's decision that was for him and his crew, his dad and everybody. but the fact of the matter is we are looking to the president at this point, and we pray and hope he's okay. i think that's the question. there isn't any of the real question, is there? >> dr. saphier: we need him to lead by example. if he's telling people that if you've contact you should be tested, if he has had contact, to the president president be
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tested? >> guy: part of it is to self quarantine, that's part of the guidance for people who might have been exposed to this virus. to me, we know for a fact that a top aide to the brazilian president does have coronavirus. we think there's at least a decent chance the president of brazil also does, and there is some mixed messaging on that. >> harris: mainly from his son. >> guy: from his own son. now the mayor of miami, who had an event with the brazilian contingent, he has tested positive for coronavirus. have a u.s. senator in isolation because he was at that same event. so there is absolutely no valid reason that i can think of the president of the united states would not get tested and would not be, frankly, in a self-quarantine situation right now. we have photos of him standing right next to someone with coronavirus. >> harris: we've shown them here. >> guy: to me it's mind-boggling. a statement put out by the white house press secretary yesterday said there were "almost no interactions" between the president and that individual prayer there is no
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such thing as "almost no" interactions. you either had an interaction or you have not. and we know that he has. >> harris: and dr. saphier, what you are saying, it's about setting that example. i do want to talk about this testing situation, melissa. you crunch numbers all day long. either there are 50 test kits or there are not. either there are a million of them or they are not. what, from our reporting, dimino has been the glitch? >> melissa: there is the testing kits, the reagent, we note that there were stumbles out of the gate, that we had problems with our bureaucracy and the way we approved things. i almost think that's a moot point at this case. you have to behave like everyone around you sort of has it. i've heard a lot of people get that advice. yesterday on ""after the bell"" we had dr. ian lipkin on, he is the virus hunter. he was in wuhan, we interviewed him when he was in quarantine and when he came back. he has a new potential treatment that is a breakthrough that he
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says will be available as soon a four weeks. it isn't a new kind of treatment. you can tell us more about this. what it is, when you get the antibodies from someone who has had it and they have already tested using those antibodies on patients who have then gotten incredibly better right away. we are following up on this the rest of the day. but this is not new or controversial treatment. this is the age-old treatment that you use on viruses. and they have now proven that it works on patients with this novel coronavirus, and they are now rushing it through to get it to a treatment phase. >> harris: i want to just challenge with a question, one thing that people may be saying. i know someone probably mentioned this to you, melissa, because you said it. it isn't just that we assume everybody has it around us. there's a reason to know where the clusters are. so that we know which areas need to be locked down more than others, because we live in a free society. you can't just lock down the united states like everybody has it and open six weeks they
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don't. talk to me about those clusters and how we deal with that, like new rochelle, new york. >> dr. saphier: we are seeing more coasters every day, that's to be respected. new rochelle, washington state, some areas in california, and i we see them pop up a little bit in other areas. you have some in georgia, florida, and the truth is we want to avoid travel to these areas. i don't know necessarily that the national guard needs to be sent out to all of them, but the municipalities need to take responsibility for their borders. we don't want one blanket federal response, that everything needs to be shut down. but look what happened in new york city. we're shutting things down here, that's a very responsible thing to do. it does need to be all or none. i like the thought of saying half occupancy of the restaurant. if you shut everything down, there could be some long-term consequences. not only will it cause significant panic, but we also have to think about the economical consequences. >> melissa: totally. but my question is, if you can walk around without symptoms and
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have it, you don't even know to go get a test. that's where i kind of say we are looking at the testing as being the answer, but if you can -- if you don't have symptoms, you're not going to -- unless we test every single person on the planet, even as you're waiting for that test to come back, you could be walking around and infecting other people and you don't know it. that's why i'm saying i don't know at this point. the cats out of the bag in terms of getting hung up on the testing. keeping her distance, doing those things all the time. am i wrong? >> jessica: welcomed there is an official doctor on the couch you can tell you if you're wrong or not. we need to be paying attention to it as part of the larger preparedness issue. that's what i wanted to bring up. we have a shortage of beds. i see yous are about to get overwhelmed. on average he would have 14 beds in icu. in new york city, for instance, they are full every night anyway. not on a corona day, just on a wednesday. last night martha maccallum i saw did an wonderful job with
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seema verma on her show pushing the answer of ventilators. she would not answer. >> dr. saphier: will talk more about this at a later segment today. i saw that as will dull night well. she did call seema verma out and saying that she didn't answer her question. >> jessica: that's what they talked about the most, the shortage of ventilators. >> dr. saphier: it's concerning. >> harris: i'm curious if we can talk for a moment about this drive through lab situation. here's a quote from governor cuomo earlier. he has been giving these very lengthy q&a -- bill de blasio did the same thing yesterday. i listened for over an hour. first, to reduce density, reduced concentration of people. this is his thought. second, testing, testing, testing. we want to find positive cases so we can isolate them. drive-through testing means people in the community can telephone, make an appointment, literally drive up to a facility, and six lanes. can you imagine how many people
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they are able to test in certain areas according to the governor? driving a car, medical staff comes to you, get swabbed, swab sent to the lab, they do the testing. for the purpose of isolation. doctor, you treat the whole body. i know that your specialty is to treat those with broken immune systems and the radiology and oncology parts of us. but the mind plays a huge component to healing. is it a psychological boost to have people have it or you don don't? >> dr. saphier: it's a tough question to answer. absolutely, mental health and state of mind does help in the healing process. we know that for certain. for now, whether you have it or not have it, we want to know that for planning. aggressive testing, quarantining those who are sick, finding out their contacts and also getting them tested or quarantined is the best effective way we can possibly do to mitigate the community spread. social distancing, we've been talking about that over and over again.
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but lessening the crowd situation will decrease the spread of disease. shutting everything down, of course, will decrease the spread of disease as well, but there has to be a fine balance they are. >> harris: we see people break their quarantines. >> dr. saphier: these drive-through testing, by the way, we are behind on it. they have them in washington and aspen, another coaster. i was supposed to fly out to aspen tomorrow. we've canceled that trip. so they've been doing this all across the world. one reason is we don't have the tests. >> melissa: one of governor cuomo's points was that it's better to do it on the local level, that you need to free up the local municipalities to deal with this, that he's able to focus on the clusters here and deal with it and set this up because he's not trying to deal on a national level. he's done a great job. >> harris: house democrats and the trump administration are trying to hammer out a deal to confront the coronavirus crisis, the head of an expected vote. what will that bill look like when it's done? we know what it looks like now, and it's lengthy.
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they are working through it. plus, we'll check in on the markets after yesterday's, again, free fall as the pandemic keeps reshaping the american landscape. from sports and entertainment shut down to school closing across america. we are covering it all for you, stay close. musicamusical physical ♪
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the coronavirus pandemic continues to reshape american life, march madness and spring training canceled. major league baseball also delaying opening day by at least two weeks. the nba and the nhl, among other leagues, suspending their seasons. just today, next month's masters golf tournament postponed. here's the billionaire owner of the nba's dallas mavericks, mark cuban, on markets. >> as painful as it is, because people like to look at the 401(k) and their stock statements, you have to put it in context. people didn't say this shouldn't be happening when it was going straight up very quickly. you have to take the counter of that, as well. you can't get too upset. what i tell everybody, if you don't know what to do, do nothing. because it's impossible to time the markets. >> melissa: amen to that. along with the empty sporting venues and thousands of schools shutting down across the country, disney world and disneyland now both closed. here in new york, the city that never sleeps, broadway shows are
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shut down as carnegie hall and the metropolitan opera also shut down. i had lots of tickets for all of those events. there we go. the point of all that is really the economic impact that is going to happen after. we know health is what's most important. that's what we are focused on. in some ways, guy, i would say that having almost a draconian approach to shutting things down will, in the long run, help the economic rebound. because i think it helps get it out of our system sooner. that if we respond in a way where we are not fearful of what it's going to do to the market, but you do what's right, and you shut things down, as painful as that is and how they will no doubt be a big economic impact short-term, maybe we get on top of it faster. and on the economic recovery can begin sooner. what do you think? >> guy: this might be a
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strange analogy, but it's almost like you're quarantining the economic problem. and once we are free of it, you can't resume exactly as before, but the underlying strength in this economy is very real. in a lot of ways, and doing. this is a black swan moment we are having. i am someone who is not a market on the experts as you are. these roller coaster gyrations have been sort of breathtaking. what is happening? and i wonder how much of it is just the fact that no one has any idea what is going to happen and what the impact of basically hitting the pause button on america would look like. so i think it's the uncertainty and fear that's probably feeling a lot of this. >> melissa: absolutely. it is the uncertainty. the question everyone is asking on the financial networks yesterday was, what would it take for you to feel like it was time for this to turn around? lots of people had different answers. but it sort of came to, it has to feel like we are turning the corner. that people are getting better. that the cases are going down. that we have a handle on it, that we have something that is
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working. >> guy: that might take a while. that's not tomorrow, probably. >> melissa: i will tell you, there is a lot of reporting. if you go to my twitter have it there. it's all over the place, this idea of using the antibodies. that this is therapeutic. when you hear the cdc and others talking about a therapeutic to help people get better -- it is not a cure or vaccine -- that we could see, they say, within four weeks. maybe if you start to see people get better, that's what will rebuild the confidence. but it's almost like we have to take our medicine. >> guy: four weeks is a long time. that's a month. >> harris: you've got kids in her house, you should down -- even if you are talking 50-60% of those crowded venues being less impacted, here in new york the rule is you couldn't get together with a crowd of about 500. well, the helen hayes theater is the smallest and it's it's almost 600. so you shutting everything down. you might be doing that for 14-16 days, but when you get to 4-5 weeks, which is what nih
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said today, and dr. fauci, it could be a little beyond that. that's a long time. >> dr. saphier: we have to remember, as we continue to see an increase in cases, that's just the case of positives. that doesn't mean patients who will get the antibody therapies. we've been using the immunoglobulins for various neurologic issues and cancer issues and various other things. we also have an antiviral that assureis showing a lot of promir the of clinical trials in nebraska and other areas. they've been giving it. so we are using some treatment. it's great that there is another one potentially on the forefront, but the truth is the way we are going to get over this hump is by decreasing the number of new cases and having the switch from having fewer new cases and more recovered cases. >> melissa: that's absolutely what i was saying. everything, you look at china and they have -- you know, fox comes back open pair their factories are open. the apple stores back open.
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they are ramping up. there are people at work. i'm sure it feels to them like it's been forever but it shows you there's a light at the end of the tunnel. >> jessica: well, the original whistle-blower doctor came out in december there. you're talking about december or mid-march, that they are back online. south korea, obviously the best example of that. on the markets issue, the low-wage workers, like the cleveland cavaliers are going be paying everyone who works at the stadium as if they were full capacity. people need to take steps like that if they can afford to do it. >> melissa: you want us to do this connect all right. governor charlie baker giving an update on the coronavirus there. let's listen in. >> we are not only severely hampering our hospital's ability to care for those who need to be cared for, but we will have a far greater economic impact in the future, as well. today one of the additional steps who are taking to prevent the spread and keep our communities safe is we've just issued guidance that will prohibit gatherings of over 250
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people in the commonwealth effective immediately. the gatherings in this order are subject but are not limited to community, civic, public, and leisure gatherings, faith-based events, sporting events with spectators, concerts, conventions, fund-raisers, parades, fairs, festivals, and any similar event or activity that brings together 250 or more persons in a single room or single space at the same time. this order does not apply to the normal operations at airports, bus and train stations, medical facilities, libraries, shopping malls and centers, polling locations, grocery or retail stores, or other spaces where 250 or more persons may be in transit. the order also does not apply to restaurants, provided that they should, whenever possible, encourage social distancing. finally, this order does not apply to typical office
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environments, government buildings, or factories where large numbers of people are present, but it is unusual for them to be within arm's length one another. there will be questions on the particulars of this guidance. we posted it in its entirety on mass.gov and encourage people to review it for more information. i'd like to talk a little bit about separate guidance issues, the deferment of elementary and secondary education in the deferment of public health. earlier today, we spoke with superintendents from across the commonwealth. with our deferment of public health guidelines and support, issued detailed guidance to our public schools about how districts should respond to mitigate the spread of coronavirus. that guidance gives schools very specific advice about when to close individual schools and for how long. our public health officials do not recommend school systems shut down system wide at this time. they recommend careful
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monitoring of students and temporary closures to allow for schools to clean and reopen. for more detailed information, please see the specific guidance which has been posted on the website. federal officials continue to issue new rules and guidance related to travel restrictions and social distancing. we encourage the public to remain informed and to follow that guidance. we continue to enforce recommendations at the state level as well. earlier this week, we declared a state of emergency here in massachusetts, and that declaration does give our administration more flicks ability to respond to this outb. we have enhanced guidance to executive branch employees and we encourage employers and organizations to follow that guideline whenever appropriate. we have also limited visitor access to long-term care facilities to keep some of our most vulnerable residents safe. and we've encouraged older adults and individuals with health issues to avoid large gatherings and large events. of course, we should all
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remember to maintain our personal hygiene. that means wash your hands, 20 seconds, warm water, regularly, and use hand sanitizer. cover your mouth with your sleeve if you sneeze or cough. stay home. stay home if you are not feeling well. stay informed on guidance coming from health officials. everybody needs to do their part on this. for us to be successful, and reduce the spread of this virus at this time. thank you. with that, i'm going to turn it over to secretary sutter 's >> thank you, governor. i was going to say good morning, but after noon. >> melissa: this is the governor massachusetts now laying out some parameters for their state and saying they are limiting gatherings any larger than 250 people, which is smaller than other states we've heard. it's been interesting throughout the day to see different municipalities and governors and states to take control of their
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>> harris: here's what we are watching come breaking news. louisiana officially could be the first state to postpone its democratic primary election over the coronavirus pandemic. i worded it that way because the secretary of state that you see right there is asking the governor to help him do that, or to make that happen. louisiana democratic primary to be postponed. that's what they want to see happen.
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the date coming up is april 4th, and this would then push for the question across the nation, will we see more? you got the secretary of state living without in baton rouge, calling for it. let's talk about it. guy benson, what does this through to the primary season for the democrats? >> guy: i think right now it's wait and see. we have right in front of us is a democratic debate that has already started in arizona with an audience and moved to arizona, and the audience. d.c., no audience. i wouldn't be terribly surprised if this gets axed or postponed. it might happen over the weekend, we'll see. because april 4th is a number of weeks away, other states, citizens start to feel a little bit queasy when government start saying, "we are going to postpone some elections." my guess is state officials will have been the lack watch was happening in louisiana. i don't think we'll see a stampede yet in that direction. >> harris: it takes some time t.
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it might be let's wait and see. i'm curious, a big conversation going on in the democratic party right now about whether bernie sanders should step asi aside. we took in my view of a day, he said, "i lost the debate on electability." might be reason to step down. he didn't do it. he's in the race. "i'm going to ask joe --" he has six or seven things he wants to do for the debate on sunday night. which, by the way, it would have an audience because of covid-19 and so forth. what happens in your party if this starts to come apart on behalf of bernie or biden? >> jessica: i think the people are just praying there's a decisive win. for joe biden, since the majority of democrats want joe biden to be the nominee paid one way or the other. if biden has the night he is forecasted to have come it'll be an insurmountable delegate lead. bernie sanders and his team -- i mention this yesterday on the
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couch, that i believe he was intentionally telegraphing to biden what he needed to say to make this more of a unity event than a progressive versus establishment vote. and hopefully biden will just be the clear front runner and bernie sanders can say, "at a time of national pandemic, we don't need the in-fighting here with our party. i will support joe biden and beacon before that way." but the conversation that will then immediately pick up is about voting. this is where republicans, as well. by november we don't know what's going on. we need to have softball conversations about mail-in ballots. i know senator richard blumenthal is talking about that. donald trump will have his votes counted to see much. >> harris: i'm going to slide this in. we have our team monitoring with the governor -- that phone call that was going to be made. the secretary of state there in louisiana has just said at the news conference, we should do for a blip, that he in fact has spoken with the governor and the governor now officially has said
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the primary on april 4th for the democratic party in the state of louisiana has been postponed. doctor? >> dr. saphier: from my standpoint, i won't pretend to be a pollster or understand the policy of it as well jessica does. however i've gone to vote, the volunteers working the polls tend to be retirees. and a lot of the people i've been seeing coming out of these primary elections tend to be older populations. those are most at risk during the season. i like the concept that they are saying we have a large amount of a vulnerable population that tend to gather during primary voting season. however, i do get concerned about the overall message that it sends. it still, what, five weeks out, four weeks out? maybe put a pause on it and say it's probably going to be postponed? >> melissa: i disagree. >> guy: we are talking about louisiana on april 4th. florida is next tuesday. talk about retirees. arizona. that's next week.
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>> melissa: that's exactly where i was going to go with it. i think if you have an election of any type right now, you're going to suppress a certain group, whoever that is. you're either going to have seniors stay home, it's going to change the outcome no matter how you slice it. i think somebody -- democrats have to care about this a lot right now. they could go forward and kind of blazed the way with what we have to do in the fall, but say we are going to do absentee ballot and we are going to be working overnight to produce these ballots and to distribute them. otherwise it's just not fair. it can't be, "i'm going to risk my life to vote or i'm not going to vote, because i don't want to --" it's not fair. >> dr. saphier: bernie could do the response will thing a drop out of the primary and say he's going to keep people safe. >> harris: did you watch that press conference it would take what it looked like. >> dr. saphier: the responsible thing to do would be drop out. >> melissa: i don't think illness should impact an election. we should find a way, everybody has a right to vote with a in
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quarantine or whether they are sick or worried about whether they're going to be sick. everyone's got to vote. someone has to take the ball, take control and get absentee ballots going. >> harris: was addressing about what you're saying, a lot of people have voted early, as he saw on super tuesday and the last mini super tuesday a couple days ago. it might be too late to do that absentee ballots, but by april 4th maybe they could. my question is, why can't you do what they do in other countries and broaden out the voting day? that way you shorten the lines. put it across two days instead of one voting day. >> jessica: california has three days when he can show up in person so it doesn't have to be male in. >> harris: i don't know. anyway, question. if you get sick with covid-19, will your doctor or hospital be ready? the potential shortage of supplies, beds, that now have america's hospital executives concerned. ♪ i like liberty mutual.
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>> melissa: we are waiting to hear from the president at the white house where he is expected to declare a national emergency over the over the coronavirus outbreak. this, as hospitals across america are bracing for an expected surge in patients. hospital executives say they are scouring inside and outside their walls for space to put patients, and tightly managing dwindling stocks of medical supplies. they also say they are hunting for critical equipment and extra health care workers who are already in high demand and at risk of quarantine from exposure while on the job. the head of one of the nation's largest hospital companies, pendant health care, telling "the wall street journal," "we have a finite number of rooms, and that's it." dr. saphier, i will come to you. there's a lot of stats here. the number of hospital beds has contracted in recent decades, dropping 16% between 1975 and
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2018. i would say before we panic everybody that, as this goes on, not everybody needs to be hospitalized. if you get this, that's not what that means. how do you sort of think about that comparison between people who get it if they are isolated and otherwise healthy, they get better. they don't need to go to the hospital. but obviously you look at a situation it italy where things have gotten so dramatic they are deciding who gets a ventilator and who doesn't, and you're hearing these horrific stories. that's the number one fear i think among americans, about people getting very sick and we don't have enough beds and on the leaders. how do you balance those things? what you think is the truth? >> dr. saphier: it's a very complex situation. we deal with this almost every year's flu season. the emergency departments and hospital beds become full. there and flexed. we are still in it right now, we're on our way out of flu season, but the hospitals are overrun right now. it's a good point to remember
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that about 85% of the people who contract the virus have very mild symptoms, if any symptoms at all. about 15% or less actually need some sort of care. even the 15 percent don't need to be on a ventilator. we have to remember that's a very small fraction of people. but italy, i've heard from people i know in italy, from health care professionals there, the biggest issues are the ventilators. >> melissa: is an older population, we should point out. >> dr. saphier: exactly, the lombardi region is a much older population pay but we have small areas in the united states that have older populations. one of the big issues we have the united states is about 100 rural hospitals have closed under the affordable care act since 2010, largely due to hospital consolidations and the lack of medicaid expansion in certain states. we have very little rural hospitals available. so we have fewer beds in these rural areas, and that is where our attention needs to be right now. luckily here in new york city and other places we actually
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have amazing hospitals, large hospitals that are able to take a huge influx of patients. one thing we saw in china that we are not seeing here yet is china actually made makeshift hospitals. they did that immediately to make sure -- >> melissa: is that a good idea? >> dr. saphier: it's tricky. we have to remember there was a lot of spread and disease there. this of the virus wasn't contagious in the beginning, they would swap people and say "wait for your results" and send them out to the world. >> harris: we have professionals who put up all sorts of pop-ups. >> dr. saphier: there are tents already at certain hospitals right now. we are doing telehealth. the majority people don't need these hospital beds come up we are in the midst of physician burnout. we are losing physicians. hospitals are closing under consolidation. this is a much larger issue that does make us vulnerable in this time of the pandemic. >> melissa: but this ties into the state of emergency, right? if the president -- i announcest state of emergency. >> dr. saphier: there is some of the support in the works
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>> harris: numerous states across the u.s. or closing schools or recommending closings as part of a sweeping attempt to contain the spread of the coronavirus, covid-19. as of last night, at least 10,000 schools have been closed or scheduled to close, affecting nearly 5 million students. that, of course, a fraction of the millions of students in public and private schools across the united states. jessica, as you look at this, children by and large have not been infected. but they go home to sometimes multigenerational families in their houses. >> jessica: it's a big concern. also a lot of children rely on school lunches, and what they are provided for from 8:00 to 3:30 p.m., and with after-school programs. that is something i was a andres was talking about i know you're a huge fan of his, melissa. we want to make sure we would get so they would be getting if they were attending school. these parents, it's where we are
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having these discussions. bipartisan, actually, about the paid family leave. we are putting a huge burden on adults in america who are working really hard to ensure that they can provide for their children, and now they are running these potentially infected households with kids who have needs, remote learning is difficult to set up, especially for special needs kids where you do need to be face-to-face to do that. >> harris: i thought about what you said with governor cuomo. he had said that up a new rochelle the national guard would be tasked with passing out some meals. i interviewed the city manager. at least that's the silver lining for those children who get caught in the gaps. >> melissa: i think about my neighborhood, i have one child in public school in new york, and one of the reasons they haven't shut down is because they do have breakfast and lunch there at school for a lot of kids and they depend on that food. and you don't necessarily know where they are going to get it, if not. over the summer the open of these places where they feed kids, but that presents a
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similar problem. and you have to have somebody staffing it. so it's really tricky, under some those kids home and their parents are still trying to work. they are wage earners. there is a unique responsibility and a lot of the schools where you have low income families, that you have to worry about all these other situations as you try and keep everybody safe from the virus. but you are right, they do live in older americans, as well. so it's very, very tricky. that is why districts have been slow to close the schools. i totally understand it. >> dr. saphier: it shouldn't be a reflex response at all schools close. you have to look at the amount of cases you have and your population there and make a very sound decision on what is best for your population. >> harris: we'll be back with more "outnumbered" in just a moment. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else. so why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms which most pills don't. get all-in-one allergy relief for 24 hours, with flonase.
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and take every precaution and come together with your family. >> wash your hands a lot. >> melissa: exactly. >> dr. saphier: just aren't each others hands, keep it yourself. speak i listen to the doctor! >> harris: don't ask back on the couch noon eastern on monday. he was harassed. >> harris: we begin with the present who is excited to declare a national emergency over covid-19 and a news conference just under two hours from now. you're watching "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the president is set to speak with republican dominic reporters at 3:00 p.m. eastern. we expect big moments of that speech with the nation on the edge of course over the coronavirus. as more events have gotten canceled, seemingly now by the hour. the number of confirmed cases on the death toll in the united states. here it is. 1600 plus cases, in at least 47 states. at least 41 people have passed. meanwhile, the administration is facing strong chrism over the

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