again next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm mark levin. this is life, liberty and levin. mr. vice president, thank you for having us. >> thank you. welcome to the white house. >> thank you for everything you're doing. you're the head of the task force the president has set up. can you give us an example how it works, just on a given day, your task force and what kind of members you have on this task for. >> the president assembled the white house coronavirus task force very early in the

process to organize what he said was the whole of government approach, but as the american people have witnessed and been a part of, it's really been a whole of america approach. we are working with governments at every level, state and local leaders, we are in continuous contact. we've assembled the very best health experts, we've brought together our top agencies that deal with health issues and security issues, financial issues, everything in the way the coronavirus is impacting the people and we meet every day in the situation room. that's where we start. we listen to what the statuses from the health experts. at this point, with some 10000 cases at the time were speaking, nearly half of those cases are in three american counties. we have been focusing resources on those areas to really come alongside state and local leaders that are

responding to the coronavirus, giving them the support they need, but our focus every day is to ensure the president has the broadest range of policy options because one thing the american people know about president donald trump is he never hesitates to make a decision. in fact, it's so important to say that had the president not suspended all travel from china on january 31, if he hadn't issued travel advisories for portions of italy, south korea and begun screening all travelers from all airports in those countries back to the united states, now more than six weeks ago, now recently ended all travel from europe, uk and ireland, the truth is would be in a very different place, but the coronavirus task force job is to bring together the best health minds, the best leaders of our agency to get the counsel from people on the ground and give the president policy choices and all along

the way the president has been demonstrating that he will always put the health and safety of america first. nark: i speak as one citizen, don't i and the american people have a right to be angry with the regime in china for covering up this virus for really missing its doctors, missing some of its journalists, if i can put it that way, keeping american experts from going to wuhan to see what was taking place, don't americans have the right to be angry with the chinese government? >> the president has been very clear that it would've been better if we would have known sooner, but the truth is that compared to a previous outbreak in china, it's not much greater degree of transparency on this. we were able to send a team of our health experts in the middle of february to look at the raw data, to understand what's been happening in china

and we will continue to work on a basis of cooperation and i would never begrudge americans feeling the way they feel about any issues, particularly one of such magnitude to our families and our communities, but what i can tell you is this is a president that has told me, when he asked me to it lead the task force three weeks ago, he said we just need to bring the best of america at the federal level, the state level and most importantly with private industry, to respond to this virus and to make sure we are doing everything in our power to lessen the impact in the spread of the coronavirus on the american people, and most especially, that americans know that while the risk of serious illness to the average american is quite low, the risk of serious outcomes to

seniors with chronic underlying health conditions or anyone with an immunodeficiency is very real. so every one of us should be putting in to practice the 15 days to slow spread recommendation b5 where can the public find that. >> @coronavirus.dove, a very straightforward list about social distancing, using drive-through and pickup and delivery service, avoiding gatherings over this time of more than ten people. it certainly is about making sure that fewer americans contract the coronavirus, but we recognize that most people that contract the coronavirus will either have flulike symptoms or in many cases no symptoms at all, but this is about not just protecting your health and the health of your

family but making sure you don't inadvertently expose someone who would be quite vulnerable. again, seniors with serious underlying health deficiencies or anyone with an immune deficiency has serious consequences. we are asking everyone to put into practice because we really believe doctor found she, the top experts in the world on infectious disease tell us, mark that we are at the beginning point of this epidemic in america, and of all of us will do these things now we believe we can significantly reduce the spread of the coronavirus in america which would spare millions of americans, and during the virus, and it would save lives. nark: let me ask you a tough

question about the economy. you're a conservative, i'm a conservative, lots of money being talked about out there. trillion dollar package, they talk about $3000 for a family in one shot and then a second shot, chuck schumer says it's not enough, here's my concern. i understand this is a temporary situation but it is a historically bad situation. how can we reassure americans out there who like our economic system, who don't think they should be subsidizing everyone and love our constitution, that we will get back to normalcy once this is done. i understand you and the president, but there's another party out there with another agenda potentially. >> i think you can look at the

first two bills the president has now signed into law with great encouragement. i served in congress for 12 years and usually issues and agenda come to bear, but i will tell you on our first bill, making sure that all our federal and state agencies had resources, republicans and democrats really came together and really focused on what was necessary to respond to the coronavirus. the buildup president past this week extending paid family leave, particularly to hourly workers and blue-collar workers, making virus testing free for every american was very focused at the point of the need and i remain confident that as we go forward that same spirit will continue to dominate our legislative efforts. the president recognizes the unique burden this is placing

on working families, on businesses, especially small businesses, and we want to do whatever it takes to help working families and businesses, large and small, some of our critical industries whether the coronavirus, but when we come out at the end of it mark, we know this economy will come roaring back. our economy had been stronger than ever before and all the fundamentals are still there. the president and i and all of our economic team are convinced that it will be there first for working families through no fault of their own suddenly find themselves worried about missing a paycheck, if we make sure and provider healthcare providers with the resources and the american people the guidance to deal with the coronavirus, if we backstop our major industry so they know, whether it's airlines or

hotels and resorts or even the crews line industry that they all know he'll be able to weather the storm once we come through it i know we will be more prosperous than ever before in these temporary measures to deal with this unprecedented epidemic in our country, i believe will be seen as having done the right thing to do. mark: you were a governor. governors in charge of the healthcare systems in their states. three three dozen states at least have a system in place. we have to certify if they have more beds or want to build more hospitals or need more ct machines. it all comes through the governor's office. he has to approve it. when it comes to residents, future doctors, particular related to medicare, congress sets the limit on how many can

be related to medicare fund. and, i hear some governor saying we need more beds, we need more this, we need more this. i'm just saying okay, go get them. because they have the legal authority to do it. do you see what's going on now with this virus sort of modernizing or waking up governors in particular and changing our system of health which is the greatest, but sort of bringing it to you in the president of the united states. >> i have to say one of the reasons i've been a governor is one of the reasons president trump asked me to it leave the coronavirus task force because i knew from personal experience in the state of indiana what happens when an infectious disease emerges. one of the first cases in the

country came to northwest indiana when i was governor, and i saw the way our front line healthcare workers surged forward, i saw the way the state health team came around it, we worked with law enforcement, we did the contact tracing, we provided the care in the treatment and the federal government came in and gave us all the guidance we need from the cdc, and ultimately helped us with resources. they were able to backfill what the state of indiana had done. my experience there taught me what most americans know is that it's our local health officials, it's our state governors and our governments that are in the lead and confronting healthcare challenges in our communities. that's why the president, just this last week stood up fema's national response center because we want all 50 states to know that were going to follow the fema model. the president declared a

national emergency, he signed what you understand to be the stafford act, and now with fema in the lead, we are going to operate in a way where our response to the coronavirus is going to be locally executed, state managed and federally supported. we been in continuous contact with governors, i spoke on conference calls to all of our nation's governors and states and territories this week and i will tell you that while there had been governors expressing needs publicly, i couldn't be more impressed with the leadership that we have seen particularly in states that have been impacted greatly by the coronavirus, and i also couldn't be more impressed with the truly bipartisan spirit. president trump has forged a seamless partnership with our governors who, in ordinary political times we have our

differences, but the president has made it very clear that were all in this together. we've been working closely with our governors and listening to their needs, empowering them, encouraging them to reach out to their healthcare providers, and to their supply lines to meet those needs, and we will continue to work. that's what they are taking in the fact that the state governments are in the lead, our local health care providers are on the front line in making sure along with private industry that we are bringing all of the strength of america to respond. mark: we'll be right back. o-okay, are you -- ah, yes. thank you.

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mark: welcome back. mr. vice president let me ask you a question. you must be very impressed with the private sector, with the experts with our federalism system in our capitalism system, with americanism. you are the task force chief. you must see different pieces, people doing their part without someone telling them exactly what to do, and here's something else i noticed.

that our president is respectful of boundaries, that is respectful of the constitution, he was criticized for being a dictator and now many of the same people criticize him kind of want him to be a dictator and i think he is much more prudential, he saying no, i'll do everything i can but we won't break glasses around here. do i have that about right? >> i think what you have right is america is up to the task and they have a president who knows that. >> not that there are challenges ahead, there are and there's heartache ahead. as we continue to rollout testing by the tens of thousands we will learn of more cases and sadly will learn of loss of life but president trump from very early on has understood what the american people would come

together around our response and that are state and local officials are incredible health experts at the federal level now empowering the american people will find our way through this. i hear about the way people are responding all across the country, and i must tell you i'm inspired but not surprised. we are americans after all. we are people that embrace personal responsibility and we look after our neighbors, but to hear the stories of how people are not only putting their own health and families health first but how there looking after the most vulnerable, how they've been willing to embrace the guidelines the president has put forward, to understand who is most at risk for the coronavirus, and maybe, i don't know that it's got enough attention, to see the way american businesses are responding has truly been

inspiring. the president had us calling construction firms around the country to donate industrial masks to hospital because the president changed the law this week that lou allowed industrial masks to be used by our healthcare workers. that opened up a floodgate of new medical protective equipment so our healthcare workers can provide care to people with coronavirus and still keep themselves and their family saf safe, and we are hearing stories in the first 24 hours of construction companies around america that are literarily emptying their supply houses delivering crates of medical masks to their local hospital, but in one industry after another, whether it's the health insurance industry that agreed the president's request to waive all co-pays on coronavirus, whether it be the nursing home industry that rose up and immediately

embraced all new guidelines that redirected them, had been communicating to seniors in nursing homes and long-term care, whether it's the willing spirit of one industry after another to make sure that we have the supply lines open, to hear the grocery stores that we spoke to justin the last week say that our supply and that thoughts all working in the grocery stores have said however long this takes your grocery store will stay open we are seeing that change around the country because people understand now that our grocery stores and all their hard-working employees have said were keeping the doors open all the way through the coronavirus and many grocery stores recognize that seniors are the most vulnerable around us and now have seniors come

in shop so they don't have to mix with the broader population. these are things the american population is doing without being asked. the president and i speak every day with healthcare leaders and providers, we have meetings with nurses and doctors, as we speak with industry leaders, i couldn't be more proud to be an american to see the way the american people and american businesses are rising to the challenge, and i know will get through this as the president says will get through this together. mark: i want to thank you and the president of the united states and god bless you mr. vice president. >> thank you mark. >> we'll be right back. m entresto helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. don't take entresto if pregnant;

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live from america's news headquarters, a proposed one and half trillion dollar economic rescue package to help americans cope with the coronavirus outbreak is stuck on capitol hill for now. earlier tonight a procedural vote failed in the senate. negotiations between the house and the senate will resume tomorrow. democrats argue that the republican plan is geared toward corporations rather than workers and healthcare. the total number of infected is now more than 300 30,000

worldwide with about 98000 recovered. tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern, eric will host a fox news special. america versus virus. suffering insight into what a worst-case flu pandemic might look like and what we can do to stop it. now back to life, liberty and levin. mark: doctor anthony ouchi, how are you. >> very good. >> can you give us a little bit of your background. you been doing this a long time. i'm not that old, but i remember there's some horrific disease and there you are on tv. >> i'm the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases for almost 36 years but i've been at the nih from the time i came after my training, i did

if infectious disease fellowship in 1968 at nih and then i went went back for a year to do medical extensive medical training and then i came back and i've been here ever since. it's about 50 years. >> so you've seen some pretty nasty viruses, have you ever seen anything like this. >> all the outbreaks that i've been involved with that go all the way back to hiv-aids, when you look at the impact of that, over time it started sort of not very well noticed back in the early 1980s and it was a lot under the radar screen because people were infected and didn't know it. they weren't obviously ill. then you get to today where you have historically one of the most impactful outbreaks in the history of civilization. that's different than here. we've had ebola, anthrax attacks, the threat of the

bird flu, we've had zika, this is different because this really is very much the unknown of what is going to happen, and what you see unfold isn't particularly encouraging if you look at what's happening in china, if you look at what's happened in south korea and now currently in europe. you're having a very serious situation that potentially involves everyone in the world and everyone in the united states. when you had ebola there was a lot of plu publicity and concern but the nature of how it spreads is that it would never really have been a massive outbreak in the united states because you have to be in very close contact with someone who is very ill, obviously ill, and you have to be in touch with bodily fluids.

there was really no chance there would be a major outbreak. maybe a couple patients that we saw, this disease is different because it's a respiratory illness, it's an illness that spread rapidly from person to person, and it has a substantial degree of morbidity and mortality. if you use it as the benchmark, you can pair it with seasonal flu which we have every year and we get used to it, as much illness and death, you get kind of used to it because it comes in every single year. the mortality of that is 0.1%. the mortality of this infection in china and korea was two or 3%. i think the ultimate mortality will we find out that many people are infected but don't get noticed because their infection is asymptomatic. it will probably be less than two or 3% but whatever it is it will be much higher than the kind of things that we've

experienced. for that reason it is clearly clearly different. mark: let me ask you a question putting statistics aside. i got the flu last year, then i get this virus this year. for me as an individual, what's the difference. >> the difference is the potential for killing you and the potential for putting you in a situation where you would require very intensive medical care. influenza is similar in some respects to coronavirus in that the people who have complications when they're infected are generally the elderly and underlying conditions like heart conditions, pulmonary disease, diabetes or people on chemotherapy or autoimmune

disease. they have a very heavily weighted. [inaudible] the difference between a plans a and this besides the morbidity of this, the mortality is much greater than influenza is that for reasons we don't understand this particular virus doesn't really do very much bad things to kids, to children. children seem to do very, very well. now every once in a while you're going to get a one off with a young person or child get seriously ill or even dies, but for the most part children do very well. if you just want to be plain and simple about it it's a much more serious disease than classic influenza. mark: except for healthy people can do okay in the end, correct. >> yes, if you look at every day and week that goes by we learn more. initially our store of knowledge came from china. then south korea, japan and

other asian companies got infected and we looked at what happened there. now we have a lot of data from europe because italy and france in european country, and now are starting to accumulate thousands of patients in our own country. so as the weeks go by we learn more, but if you look at the display of the ages of people who get into trouble, without a doubt, if you're young healthy person you might get infected, you might feel ill, but the overwhelming possibility is that you're going to spontaneously recover without any specific kind of medical intervention. mark: we'll be right back. a non-surgical treatment that targets, freezes, and eliminates treated fat cells. discuss coolsculpting with your doctor. some common side-effects include temporary numbness, discomfort, and swelling. don't imagine results, see them. coolsculpting. take yourself further. go to coolsculpting.com for a chance to win $25,000.

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. mark: this virus looks for opportunities. you feel a weakness as a result of age or poor immunity or whatever it is. that's where it becomes more dangerous. but for the general

population, that is generally healthy. it's not necessarily a morbidity issue. >> correct. it's not a morbidity issue but the reason we inces insist that everybody take precautions is because even though for a younger person that person may not have a high chance for morbidity or mortality, that person can easily get infected as well as anybody else and it's part of the goal and the mission of addressing this outbreak to prevent infections in anybody and everybody, but also to protect the vulnerable, the people who if they get infected they have a much poorer outcome and unfortunately young people who may feel their invulnerable, i know when i was young i kind of felt like that but first of all you're not invulnerable but certainly you're much less likely to get in trouble, but

you could then pass the virus inadvertently to an elderly person, your grandfather or grandmother, a sick relative who may have chemotherapy and even though you're saying i'm not going to get sick, i'm in a be fine, i feel as a physician and a public health person that you have a societal responsibility to protect yourself from getting infected for two reasons. one, you don't want to get sick even though it's mild to moderate illness. two you really want to protect the vulnerable people in society. >> i think that's right. i'm just trying to point out that these death statistics, people are getting panicky, and it might be increased with the flu it's really certain populations in particular. the behavior, people need to behave in a way that they don't make others sick. let me ask you this.

i keep hearing we don't have enough beds, we don't have enough ventilators, we don't have enough respirators. i did a little research, you can straighten me out, we have these laws in 36 states and the district of columbia. these are certificate of need laws for the governors and states to decide how many icu beds there will be, how many hospitals there will be, whether a hospital can build another wing, all the state revelatory processes and then you have a bed, a beds not useful unless you have a ventilator, a respirator, then you look at this, you have medicare funded residency slots set by congress so congress is setting many of these residency slots, the states are determining how many beds there are and so at these press conferences, you and the president and others ask what you can do about the

beds and respirators and so forth. isn't this virus showing some of the gaps in our system, and is it the response when we look back actually going to help fix some of that. >> yes. you've asked a good but complicated question. first of all, everything that we just -- that you just asked me about is, as we speak almost, being directly addressed by the president and vice president in their discussions at the meetings in our task force and at the press conferences we have. first of all, what can the federal government do. as you can see the president has, over the last few days, called upon the department of defense to supply millions and millions of mask and respirators. many, many more ventilators than we have. they are bringing in beds with

regard to the naval ship that will now be deployed. there providing financial assistance for people who are going to be in difficulty because of the virus. but the other thing that was stressed and stressed very clearly, the second point you made, and that is this is something that needs to be implemented and is the responsibility of the states and the local so sometimes they don't even realize they have the resources but it's up to them to make the decisions about implementation. the federal government, when they're out there, there's clearly not enough, they are willing and able to help, but the actual on the ground implementation of it is at the local state level. that's the reason why the president has met and i've been on telephone calls with him, but more than once they have tried to appreciate what

is within their reach and within their power to make these kinds of decisions to see if resources can be properly distributed. that's not saying that will always have enough for everyone, and that's the reason why he's calling on the people in the industry to live up, to rev up and make some of these things. we have 12700 ventilators in the national stockpile. we have tens of millions of respirator masks. once you send them out to those who need it, you have to backfill and those are the kind of things were doing. bottom line, everything that you said now was being addressed both by the president and vice president and administration and task force as well as at the local level. the only reason i mentioned it is because i watch these press conferences, the governors and i watch the governor of new york say we need more beds and i say them why don't you go

get them because under these laws, these certificate of need laws in the first state to have them was in the 1950s, they limit the number of beds for whatever reason. not just mri, ct, i'm only mentioning this to the american people understand you sitting here you can't snap your finger and all the sudden there's more beds in the president of the united states can't snap his fingers to make it happen. we'll be right back. the new tracfone wireless gives you more control.

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welcome back. doctor fauci let me ask you a question. you've been doing this a long time. have you ever seen this type of coordinated response for such a health threat. >> we've never had a threat like this and the court need a response has been, there's a number that have described it as impressive, i think is one of them. were talking about all hands on deck. [inaudible]

i've been working almost full-time on this. i'm down at the white house virtually every day with the task force. i'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night. when i say night i'm talking 12, one, two in the morning. i'm not the only one. there's a whole group of us that are doing that. it's every single day. so i can imagine that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more. obviously were finding formidable enemy, this virus, this is a serious issue here. take a look at what it's done to china, to europe, to south korea, it serious and our response is aimed, and i know you've heard that many, many times, and this is true, i deal with viruses my entire career, you have an outbreak virus, if you lead it to its own devices it will peak up

and then come back down. we learn from china that letting it pickup is really bad because it can do some serious damage. we are focused now, like a laser on doing whatever we can, and there are two or three things that were mentioned to make this actually be amount. you can have suffering and illness and death but it's not gonna see the maximum that the virus can do. there's a couple ways to do that. the first is the very timely decision on the part of the president to shut off travel from china because we saw there was this possibility of people coming in to the country. we did it early. as it turned out there were relatively few cases in the big picture of things that came in from china. unfortunately, for our colleagues and many of whom are my friends and people that

i have trained in medicine, in european countries they didn't do that and they got really hit hard and are being hit hard. second thing, when the infection burden shifted from china to europe we did the same thing from europe. we shut off travel from europe which again was another safeguard to prevent influx. the other way you do it is by containment and mitigation, and now everybody knows what the word mitigation means because it's the thing that were doing. no crowds, you work from home, don't go to places you can be susceptible, ten people in a room, not 50 or hundred. stay away from theaters. take the elderly people who are susceptible and have them do self isolation. stay out of restaurants and

bars. if you're in an area with a lot of cases, close the restaurants in the bars. with all those things going on at the same time, were already doing it because you can't notice it, you're not really sure quantitatively what you're doing, but you can be actually certain that we are having an impact on it. mark: we'll be right back. ra. i laugh like this. [ laughs obnoxiously ] it's just not my scene. -i couldn't help but over-- -do you like insurance? i love insurance. did you know you can save money bundling home and auto with progressive, and renters can bundle, too? i know, right? [ laughs ] [ singing continues ] why'd you stop? i was listening. [ microphone feedback ] so you don't have to stash antacids here... here...

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i'm impressed every day, 20 hours of day of what's taking place. what about the private sector. are you impressed with their reaction. >> i'm impressed with the fact that when the president called the private sector into the cabinet room and into the roosevelt room and said you need to step up, that that allowed us to have a lot more bandwidth, particularly with

the idea of what we're doing early on with the testing. they said okay, we need testing, we need the companies that make it to give it out there and implement that. to to their credit, the company step to the plate. that's why we are seeing a movie scene quite soon, major escalation and the ability to do testing. >> there's the statement put out, some in the press, some of the opposition party that the president doesn't follow the science. the president -- is the president following the science. >> every single time, and by that i mean almost every day, not once a month, we are in the task force meeting. there are several of us, myself included, there's other people that have other responsibilities so we get a good sampling of expertise that you need, and it's led by

the vice president. secretary aids are is there as the secretary of hhs. we talk about every aspect and we make all of our decisions and recommendations that are based on the science. i have never, in that room, had a situation where i said scientifically this is the rate thing to do it and they don't do it or scientifically this is the wrong thing to do and they did it anyway. then we get up and presented to the president and he asks a lot of questions. that's his nature. i never, in the multiple for scientific reasons we should do it that he hasn't had butts do it, or if he decides why don't we do this and i say no, that is not a good idea. he has never overruled me.

mark: keep up the great work. let everyone know that the american people are very thankful you're out there and we will continue to watch it. thank you and god bless. >> thank you. >> to me it's not very complicated. we have to stay to the companies, as soon as were finished with this war, it's not a battle, it's a war, as soon as we are finished with this war our country will bounce back like you've never seen before. >> breaking tonight, president trump pushes help for the american worker as the senate fails to advance the stimulus bill but the negotiations go on. good evening and welcome to "the next revolution". i'm steve hilton. pro-work, pro-family , pro-community, and especially pro-america. coming up tonight, marsha blackburn on china and larry kudlow