>> martha: that is "the story" on this wednesday, march 25. as always, "the story." routine use trickle continues. have a great night, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." after an awful lot of wrangling and false starts, congress finally appeared to reach a deal on the coronavirus package. it's enormous. about $2 trillion, almost half the size of the entire federal annual budget. a lot of dollars to account for but we've done our best blue will tell you what's in it. first, lockdowns and social distancing may slow the spread of this pandemic but they will not beat it. no emergency orders from our leaders can save us over time, only medicine will stop this threat. our only hope is science. at the moment, thousands of doctors, lab technicians,

chemists and biologists are working to create effective treatments for coronavirus. at some point they will likely develop a vaccine for it. that could be a year from now. in the meantime, researchers are taking a second look at drugs already in use for other diseases, and there have been we are happy to tell you some promising development so far. a japanese antiviral drugs been used to treat influenza among other things. in early clinical trial in china showed improved outcomes for those with mild cases of coronavirus. remdesivir is a drug originally created to fight the ebola. scientist said has shown promise too. so have two other hiv drugs. there's medications are being studied now overseen by the world health organization. here in our country, a drug called hydroxychloroquine has received by far the most attention. hydroxychloroquine is most commonly used as an antimalarial medicine. you may have taken it if you've taken it abroad. it's been proved in this country

for 65 years. it's cheap and considered safe. it cost about 20 bucks. in a lot of ways, hydroxychloroquine is the ideal medicine if it turns out to be an effective treatment against coronavirus, things will change fast in this country and for the better. is it an effective treatment? we don't know that. scattered reports from health care providers across the country including a new york city today suggest that it may be. it's currently being prescribed in france for at least one study suggests that works. in an interview yesterday, dr. anthony fauci said that "of course he would be willing to try hydroxychloroquine on coronavirus patients if he were treating them directly." the patient in florida credits the drug for his rapid turn around. more trials are currently underway including one in new york. the epicenter of the outbreak here. actually this is how science works. it works incrementally, indifferent place at the same time and in the end, effectively if you left it. at the very least we should all be following developments in

hydroxychloroquine's use with interest and measured hope. why wouldn't we be? well, here's why. donald trump is for it. several days ago the president expressed confidence in hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the epidemic. that was it for the media. if trump is for it, they are against it, even if it might save american lives. what reactive children they are. they innately began as a stain push to discredit the drug longer for the clinical results were in. cnn ran a story accusing the president of "peddling unsubstantiated hope" in dark times. nbc news. to the line, blasting trump for selling "false hope" >> is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things might be giving americans a fal- >> i don't think so. >> not yet approved drug. >> such a lovely question. it may work and it may not work. and i agree with the doctor, he said. it may work.

it may not work. i feel good about it. >> tucker: in the midst of this propaganda blitz, management arizona died after eating fish tank cleaner that contained chloroquine as an ingredient and that was it, suddenly the president himself had all but murder this poor guy with some quack medical cure called chloroquine. here was cnn's description. >> a game changer, that's how president trump described the antimalarial drug chloroquine. it's 1 of 69 drugs being investigated as potential treatments against coronavirus. the problem, it had not yet been approved. in arizona, one man had died after an apparent attempt to self medicate with that drug. >> tucker: so during the course of that segment, cnn never mentioned that the man ate aquarium cleaner and not medicine. they lied about the substantial, in fact the central facts of what happened, because they thought it might advance a political agenda. then they informed viewers that

trump was also killing people in nigeria. >> president trump touted the use of chloroquine as a possible treatment for covid-19, three nigerians have overdosed from that drug according to nigerian health officials. >> tucker: keep in mind this isn't a tax bill they are lying about. it's a potentially life-saving medicine that we are desperately trying to evaluate in the middle of a global pandemic. it's not just cnn that's doing it. consider this "bloomberg news" story from last night. "chloroquine no better than regular coronavirus care." study finds but that was the headline. sounds definitive. why are we wasting our time? it doesn't work. take a look at the details inside the piece. the story turns out to be based on an article in a journal from china. the chinese study in the article considered a total of just 15 patients, 15, who'd been given chloroquine. seems like an awfully small sample for a legitimate study and in fact this trade is

concede that it was. "the result of the study weren't statistically significant. researchers concluded additional studies using larger numbers of patients are needed." in other words, the story doesn't really tell us anything. so why is "bloomberg news" writing about it? later in the story we learned that in contrast to the protocol in that chinese study, doctors here in the west are administering hydroxychloroquine with antibiotics, and that combination, the two of them, hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics, appears to be effective. that raises the same question once again. what exactly is the point of bloomberg so-called new story, the way the chinese use the drug had nothing to do with the way we are using it here. this study is irrelevant. writing about it doesn't illuminate anything. it misleads. that's the point. they're manipulating you. this is what happens when science becomes political. suddenly start lying and you can't trust anything you here. that's a very dangerous thing to do at a moment like this.

the truth is essential. just yesterday, then governor of nevada, steve to select, issued an emergency order that banned doctors in his state from prescribing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus unless that is administrated in the hospital setting. he didn't hesitate to pronounce the drug "unproven" as treatment for coronavirus. that is true as a technical matter but doctors describe medicines in new ways all the time. it's called off label usage. it's legal and very common in places where democratic governors don't decide to micromanage the details of medical care. so why did the governor do this? the statement suggested that hydroxychloroquine was somehow a threat to public health where the real reason was likely the opposite of that. the governor was afraid of running out of it. pharmacists across the country reported a large increase in requests for the drug. some requests have come from doctors who appeared to be stockpiling it for themselves and for their family.

this resulted in shortages. that is a problem and it's a problem for a number of reasons. including because the drug is also used to treat chronic diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. but there is one thing that it does prove conclusively. donald trump is not the only person who thinks hydroxychloroquine might be effective. a lot of practicing physicians think so too. our leader should be clear about that. and yet many of them are lying about it at a time when we are desperate for the truth, the thing we need above all is the truth. what is the truth about hydroxychloroquine? dr. marlow hernandez is the ceo of cano health and he joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on. give us very quickly an overview of how and just on the basis of science, how this drug is being used in the united states as of tonight in response to this epidemic and what you think the results are? >> the fda approved the use of the medicine for patients with

covid-19. it is used throughout the country in hospitals. and we have been finding some preliminary early success with it, as we have at cano health. in hospitals like massachusetts general hospital where i practiced down here in south florida, the memorial health care system, and there's a number that have developed actual protocols. our own clinics have developed protocols. we have administered 46 medical centers in our chief of medicine created a wonderful particle after much thought. the surveys have been encouraging. at this point we are in a crisis. folks are suffering from this dangerous pandemic. hydroxychloroquine is an important weapon in our arsenal. >> tucker: give us a sense of the effects of it, good and bad. we are reading that it's combined with erythromycin or

some drug like that. at what stage in the progression of the illness is it administrateadministered? >> there's debate because we have ongoing research. we can't make definitive pronouncements as to when we can use it or how long we should use it. but there is a general consensus in different countries and among different doctors that the patients with the disease, that have risk factors that could progress and get complicated should be considered for this medicine. and there's other schools of thought and which potentially could be even a preventative or prophylactic treatment. we have used it for both. we have used it on over 100 patients. we have had success. preliminarily. but i must stress that it must be under clinical supervision. it must be shared

decision-making. the negative is that if you pair it with a sister myosin, a code prolong and predispose the patient for cardiac effects. any medicine, if you give it in the wrong dose, wrong formulation, it could have very serious adverse effects. however, hydroxychloroquine has an acceptable safety profile. a very good one. for decades we have known about it. and if you have a patient that is suffering from this illness and other treatment options that also could be considered are not right for the patient, i would like to have that opportunity to prescribe it. >> tucker: yeah. that seems like a very measured and straightforward response. it's not clear why people are lying about this. but i appreciate your candor, dr. hernandez. thank you so much for coming on tonight. >> my pleasure.

>> tucker: science isn't simply helping us discover new medicines for coronavirus. fox medical contributor marc siegel describes other advances in the last few days. thank heaven there have been some. doctor, thank you for coming on. >> we have good news to report which we badly need. first of all, research out of johns hopkins have been lookingy steadily, geneticist, they have determined so far it is stable. you know what that means? it means that vaccines in the works are likely to work and cover it even if they come out a year from now. it's very good news that the vaccines look very promising. i talked to dr. tony fauci. it's the second piece of good news is that we are finally getting the rapid tests and antibody test done where you take a single drop of blood and you find antibodies to the virus that tell you if you have been exposed in the past and whether you have an active infection

going on. labs all over the country are looking into this. in the united kingdom they are releasing a test that literally will give you results within 15 minutes. we can tell who is infected and who isn't infected. the third piece of good news is that in new york state, they are actually starting to take plasma from patients that are recovered and using that plasma, putting it into very sick patients that will possibly keep them from very poor outcomes, including death. that too is an extremely positive thing. fourthly and unexpectedly, it looks like the rate of hospitalizations in new york, though still on the upswing, the rate itself is starting to flatten out a little bit. that means we may not need the 30,000 respirators, which i can't even put my mind around because that would mean one or 2 million people get coronavirus god forbid in new york which would lead to about 2% of them requiring respirators, ventilators. we are not heading in that direction. it is starting to slow.

my prediction is we are going to need less ventilators and more protective equipment going forward. >> tucker: i hope you're right. that would be the best possible news. dr. siegel, thank you so much for that update. >> thank you, talker. >> tucker: in a grim tableau new york city, tents erected outside of bellevue hospital, coronavirus is popping up in new places and where it's already present the situation is getting intense. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has the numbers. >> to piggyback on what dr. siegel was saying, in new york governor andrew cuomo says the spread in his state which is the epicenter might be slowing a bit. he believes social distancing is the reason for the slow down, and he believes that should continue. it's interesting because over the past two days, the number of new cases in new york appears to be very consistent, about 5,000 per day with a total that you see there are more than 30,000. so far today, covid-19 has claimed fewer lives in new york

than it did yesterday, with the overall death toll and now at 285. president trump says more ventilators are in route to new york. watch. >> we sent over the last day of four ventilators to new york, and i spoke with the governor about that. he was happy. i spoke with the mayor also. mayor de blasio, he was very happy. it's hard not to be happy with this job we are doing. that i can tell you. >> california now has more than 2800 cases that there are fewer new cases today than yesterday, and the 17-year-old boy who died in los angeles county was initially thought to be the country's first coronavirus victim under 18. turns out the teen died of septic shock that may not have been related to covid-19. for now, his name has been taken off the states death toll. louisiana is another state hit hard by the virus. with new orleans hospitals expected to hit capacity in

early april, the mayor is considering using the convention center there to house patients. we are also looking at off the beaten path hot spots like ketchum idaho. that's next to the celebrity enclave of sun valley. they have an unusually high 35 cases, 14 of which are health care workers. overall in the u.s., almost 63,000 cases of covid-19. talker. >> tucker: a lot of people flying in from abroad to sun valley. trace gallagher, thank you. presumptive democratic nominee joe biden isn't fit for the president. everybody knows that. the question is how much longer and confide in last in race before party leaders decide to replace him with someone else? that's next. the city that never sleeps has become the city afraid to breathe. fox photojournalist nathan furness has stunning footage and you will see throughout this hour of new york city under quarantine.

♪ >> tucker: it's weird to think that so-called super tuesday which wasn't actually that super in the end, never is, was only three weeks ago. you'd be forgiven if you'd forgotten all about it or the 2020 election. for several days last week the presumptive democratic nominee, joe biden, essentially vanish. that changed yesterday when he reappeared apparently under pressure from his advisors to give interviews, including this

bizarre one with this weird grinning buffoon on msnbc. >> why doesn't he just act like a president? that's a stupid way to say it but i really wish -- >> donald trump. >> sorry. >> go ahead. >> no, no. it's probably best i don't. i just can't figure the guy. i don't know. it's like watching a yo-yo. i shouldn't have said it that way. >> i want to ask. [laughs] >> tucker: just blanks out to write in the middle of the interview. sad actually and it's not the only interview words happen. it's been a most everyone he's given recently. can you imagine this man managing a response to a pandemic? how about managing your country? no, you can't. democrats know that. biden was always meant to be a puppet of the people in charge

but in a real crisis, that may not work. you've got to ask the question, unlikely as it sounds, could biden be replaced? the rules as we understand them would make it pretty tough. they might not allow it. it doesn't mean it won't happen. some democrats already discussing replacing joe biden with the obvious choice, new york governor andrew cuomo, who has risen to fame and wide acclaim and for being honest on his response to coronavirus. jason nichols is a professor of african-american studies at the university of maryland, longtime democratic activist. thank you for joining us. glad you are doing well. >> thank you. >> this is sincere. i am not being mean. but biden seems weak. i think it's fair to say. democrats seem as eager to displace trump and take power as they ever have. and those seem like forces that are going to collide at some point, to me. >> i mean, i don't think that that's going to happen. i will say, you know, regarding

what happened in his interviews, these skype interviews are awkward. i think you and i can agree on that. this is not the way we like to communicate. it's just an awkward meeting. it doesn't feel right. welcome to my house, by the way. i would much rather be in the studio next to you where we could sit there and talk back and forth and talk trash like we normally do. >> tucker: i agree. i agree with that. fair point but let me say if you blanked out right in the middle of this interview, say ten seconds were not put your head in your hands and stared off in a way where it's suggested you have no idea where you were, i would be concerned. i mean that. i will call your wife and say what's going on? >> [laughs] i get it. let me say if i do touch my face, i am in my house. my wife is a nurse. i watched my -- wash my hands incessantly. i want to make that clear for your audience. biden in my opinion was not the strongest candidate but he was who was chosen.

you had 20-plus opportunities to choose someone else. if you are a democrat. and we chose joe biden. and you know he wasn't in my opinion the strongest candidate but he's who we have. i think right now we have a president who sits there and contradicts the experts like dr. fauci. in his face. this would have been a golden opportunity for many other stronger leaders at this point in their career. i think there was a time when joe biden, who was a stronger leader, but you know just like many athletes come or you watch michael jordan and his days with the wizards, it's a little bit past his era. and i think it's time that we have gone to new leadership but i think it's too late. we have chosen joe biden. he's not giving up the seat. we are going to have to, you know, hope he can make it until november and put up a strong fight. >> tucker: yeah. i read one democratic political

consultant today who knows him today describe joe biden as "a melting ice cube." that seems right. good luck with that. >> [laughs] >> tucker: it is sad. great to see you. glad you are safe. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the senator announced earlier this morning it had finally hammered out some kind of deal on the coronavirus stimulus. the bill would send $1200 checks to most american adults while also giving assistance to american companies, even it as a blocks them from outsourcing additional jobs. that's all good. mercifully the woke nonsense nancy pelosi was pushing on monday isn't in the bill. still and we should emphasize, as of right now, the bill has not passed. senate sources say they plan to vote tonight. what is taking so long and are the bill's contents good enough that we should be happy when it finally does go through, if it does? dana perino, host of "the daily briefing with dana perino," the kind of person who actually reads things so we are very happy to have our own tonight to assess the state of this

legislation. dana, thanks a lot for coming on. what's your assessment of this massive piece of legislation? >> i feel like -- you asked the question should we be happy when it passes? i think we should be pleased that we were able to do something quickly they could get into the hands of people so that they can pay their rent at least or at least put food on the table. remember through no fault of their own. it's not like they slept through their alarm and didn't make it to work four days in a row and got fired. this is a sudden shock to the system. and i hope that that bill can do this. i really do. might take a while to get some of his money out because people don't have direct deposit, it's going to have to come to the mail and that's going to have to take longer. but that money get into those people, that's going to be important. we can be fairly satisfied about that. i think the reason it's taking longer than what the private sector could do is you have

politics involved. i do think the speaker tried to larded up with all those extra things and it was so disgusting and despicable. the moment -- reading the moment incorrectly. they pulled back some of it but not all of it. they are still going to give money to the kennedy center of all things. >> tucker: you've got to kind of wonder with the bill this large and i read what you were are referring to. are we going to find this in the coming days that we are shocked by? do you think? >> yes, i do think that we are. bernie sanders for example says the $500 billion is a corporate welfare fund. actually the goal is to try to keep people connected to their employers so that their employers do not lay them off. there is a $350 billion in there for small businesses. same idea.

those types of things make a lot of sense. when you try to add in things like mandatory corporate diversity for boards or all the other little goodies they wanted to put in this bill, that's washington at its worst. it does not meet the moment. i do think there will be things in this bill where you think that stinks, why did we do that? it's $2 trillion. i don't think i could've actually said $2 trillion with a straight face just a month ago. it was unheard of. and now it feels like that might not even be enough. >> tucker: numbers get that big and it's hard to have context for them but again, the entire annual federal budget in 2019 was 4.8 trillion. we are approaching half the entire annual federal budget and one bill. dana perino, thank you so much for that overview. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. stay well. >> tucker: you too bring americans are worried about

shortages, food shortages, running out of money. in san francisco, criminals don't have worry like that. they can steal whatever they want and nothing will happen to them. they have been assuring that and it's true. what does it mean for the country? as we had to break, the children's voice choir in south florida is finding a way to perform despite this strange and difficult time. here is part of it. >> ♪ when tears are in your eyes ♪ ♪ i will dry them all ♪ i'm on your side ♪ oh, when times get rough ♪ and friends just can't be found ♪ ♪ like a bridge over troubled water ♪ ♪ ."

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for more information, visit cdc.gov/covid19. this message brought to you by the national association of broadcasters and this station. >> tucker: ventilators are crucial, as you've heard time and again, and of the coronavirus site but america will not have enough if the numbers go to the levels we believe they will. now many are stepping forward to help fix that shortage. it's a great story actually. we want to tell it to you now. fox's matt finn has details. hey, matt. >> tucker, coast-to-coast piercing stories of american businesses that are either using their facilities or their resources to manufacture

supplies for health care workers or their fellow hurting americans. ford has partnered with gm and g.e. health care to produce medical equipment and protective gear, including powerful air purifying respirators that actually use fans from the ford f-150 ventilated seats and 3m air filters. ford says it will also be something more than 100,000 face shields per week and will use 3d printing to produce personal protective equipment. those shields protect the face and eyes. 75,000 are expected to be ready to go this week. the country is facing a severe shortage of ventilators especially in new york. ford says it will ramp up production of ventilators. ford's ego says it's working with 3m and g.e. and has empowered its team of engineers and designers to be scrappy and quickly create equipment. the president says we are fighting an invisible enemy and these american companies are stepping up to the plate. a doctor at the university of minnesota built his own version of a ventilator for just $150 in

parts. the prototype kept up pig breeding for an hour and gives hope that low-cost ventilators can be mass-produced. the university of minnesota has issued rapid response grants to test solutions and trails to beat the coronavirus. the university of minnesota is also testing the malaria drug showing promise nationwide. tucker. >> tucker: matt finn for us in chicago tonight. thanks so much. well, across america, the fear of coronavirus which is of course legitimate, is being exacerbated by the fear that society could be breaking down which unfortunately is also legitimate. why do people for this? because local governments are encouraging it. during a time in which all americans are stockpiling supplies, a viral video in san francisco shows two people frequently looting a walgreens. as they do it in full view on camera, nobody does anything to stop them which tells you something bad about where our society is right now.

police are stepping back criminal enforcement all over the country and the results, you can see it in the tape on the screen, its anarchy. in new york, los angeles, seattle, new jersey, governments are releasing prisoners in response to coronavirus. in many of those places they are closing gun stores to give law-abiding people from defending themselves. increasing the risk, preventing self-defense. what does that look like to you? buck sexton joins us tonight. what does that look like to you? increasing the risk on purpose, ceasing to enforce the law come in releasing prisoners in the community and simultaneously preventing people from defending themselves. >> opening up the prisons and locking down gun stores obviously his bad objects as they would say in d.c. i have been speaking to friends. i used to work, i know people in that department. the district attorney's office and they are saying the announcement that you're not going to prosecute certain

crimes. this has happened here in brooklyn in new york city. i am right in the middle of town. it also has happened in philadelphia and there are other cities. they say these are the following offenses. by the way, things like larceny and trespassing which are on the list here in new york, those are things that if you have a store that's currently shut down is basically all stores are, your particular concerns. your inventory, any product. the police are being told they are not supposed to do anything. the bad guys are being told it's open season. on prisoner release, it's a question of do we trust the people that are making these deeds trigger determinations? her mind i understand there are concerns from corrections officers that they want to try to take some higher risk inmates out. they don't want to have to deal with exploder themselves. they don't want to have to deal with a lot of sick inmates, very sick inmates if they can avoid it. the people that are making the determinations might be doing a kind of pelosi moment to achieve a social justice agenda. that's a concern.

>> tucker: they can really trust the prisoners to behave. they don't trust law-abiding citizens to buy guns to defend themselves. that is kind of it. they don't trust the public. if they did, they would say to law-abiding people he should defend yourself because you should pray >> people showing up to a gun store so they can defend themselves to a point where it's via -- let's be honest, it's going to get sketchy in the weeks ahead. there is concern about civil disorder especially if the economy gets very, very rocky. people should be able to defend themselves. with the social justice agenda of many prosecutors, mayors in cities across the country, it doesn't stop even in this moment of extreme national crisis and that's why prison releases, shutting down the gun stores and nonprosecution announcement, they are stunning but also expected unfortunately. >> tucker: i hope our viewers if they are watching someone loot a walgreens would say something. this society belongs to all of

us. you shouldn't stand by while it happens. you shouldn't. buck sexton, great to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: harvard is one of the richest schools in the world, may be the richest school in the world. you should check it. now is the time to use that wealth to help people. what is the school doing with their money tonight question work we will let you guess. we will tell you after the break. right now, more remarkable footage from an eerily calm and desolate new york city. the american red cross urgently needs blood and platelet donations and asks all healthy donors to schedule an appointment to give. now, with the corona virus outbreak, it is important to maintain a sufficient blood supply.

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♪ >> tucker: last fall, harvard university's endowment start at $40 billion. last month has probably cut it down. it's not a big worry for harvard. no matter what happens, harvard will still be fantastically wealthy. as rich as some countries. harvard will no doubt be happy to tell you how much it deserves all that money because harvard does so much good in the world. because of people at harvard are such good people. this week, harvard announces laying off hundreds of subcontracted workers from the school's dining halls, hundreds. they are being fired without pay, even being provided a month of severance for them wouldn't cost a school in million dollars. we will save you doing the math. it's less than 140,000 of the school's endowment. every administrator knows he's your morals superior. you are repulsive. they by contrast believe all the

right things. you don't. in the end, you can always tell who people really are about how they treat the people closest to them and the people beneath them. not how they talk about people in faraway countries and how much they care for this group for that but the people and their orbit, the first circle of their orbit, their spouses, children, employees, their neighbors, their acquaintances. how do they treat those people? their dogs? if they mistreat them that tells you everything, and they are pregnant or the way to see people's real characters when they tell the truth about the powerful or whether they up to the powerful. today at msnbc on their morning show, everybody nodded in bovine agreement while a world health organization official gushed about the fascist government in china. >> right now there's very, very few countries that have actually been able to reverse this epidemic and bring their cases down to very low levels. the only country that stunned

that is china. it was the passion and diligence, the sense of responsibility, the seriousness of the average chinese. i want to use that term very carefully because they weren't average. they are extraordinary people. they were driven by sense of collective responsibility. >> tucker: dave rubin hosts "the rubin report" on youtube. he joins us to make. you might not be aware these are most ordinary people, there your moral superiors. they are doing the right thing, unlike america. how do you assess the claim about china? >> lau, collective is the key word there. they are a collectivist society. we are an individualistic society. specifically authoritarians love authoritarianism. they love central planning. they love the idea that the state can control everything. that's actually the reverse of the american f ethos.

neither system is perfect but i personally wouldn't want to trade in my rights and my liberty in my free speech and all of those things to have a system of government that could always tell me what to do. freedom is a little bit messy, and we have to fight that and negotiate that with the people that would take our freedoms away all the time. what's particularly interesting here is that what they are saying basically is give all of your freedoms to the state and the state can somehow do everything right. except what they forget is the back end of that in the back end of that is you cow people into silence. you give away your freedom. you and of living in a place that most of us wouldn't want to live which is why americans don't leave. because we've got a pretty good. >> tucker: they are praising a government that harvests the organs from murdered political prisoners. should that make us nervous? >> well, of course it should

make us nervous. the idea is the same people who want to import authoritarian ideas here are the same people that love those ideas elsewhere. so they never talk about the bad things. they are not going to talk about the bad things about communism i'm msnbc because they kind of like it, right? they tell you the good things. in time of crisis they've been able to organize in a certain way. that's also if you're really going to believe the numbers coming out of china and everything else. it's hard to figure out what's true right now. again, freedom is the key thing. we are all having to decide how much freedom do we want to give away in the midst of a crisis. that's an important debate to have. one you've been having on this show. >> tucker: we are trying. so much going on. dave rubin, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: it's been a remarkable week and all through it we've been wondering the obvious question, how is dave

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hosted by elton john and will feature performances from alisha keyes, mariah carey, tim mcgraw and many more. sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern, any television station with the name fox in it, that would be this one. americans looking for things to do while stuck at home, we are about to talk to dave portnoy. one popular product from the 80s and 90s and is making a comeback. it's sold out just about everywhere. >> proper section is the key to getting great looking haircuts with no cleanup. ♪ >> tucker: people mark dayton know you wonder why. barstool dave portnoy has one. he has one. you look good. before you say anything i have to ask about your purple pants,

15 people have contacted me and asked me to ask you are you wearing purple trousers and why? >> you can see it. hopefully you can see it. i'm wearing purple sweatpants. i started wearing them every day because what is the point of changing pants if you are not going outside. then i decided this was my fight against corona. corona will not make me waste pants. they won't. i'm going to wear these pants. my purple sweatpants until the quarantine is lifted. the question is on my washing the pants. occasionally i am. i just wear the same pants every single day. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm glad one man is taking a stand against this scourge. what else are you doing with the pants on? >> i am day trading. i've never done that before. i have to bet on sports. sports are gone. i have set up a bell in my office. at 9:30 i ring it on a go to

work, just day trading. i took a financial beating. i think you'll know a company, penn national bought a good portion of the sports company. that pandemic is not good for the casino business because they are close. i thought i would day trading my way out of it. it's not working. i have a guy who works for me and i asked him every day for the light. he gave me cheesecake factory. he didn't do well. they sell they are not going to pay their rent. >> tucker: [laughs] so you're losing on cheesecake factory. we don't know how long this is going. how much money do you expect to lose day trading by the end of it? >> oh, i'm optimistic. i'm trying to win. i am about even. it ebbs and flows. i firmly am convinced when the market is going down, people get rich. when the market goes up, people get rich.

i'm trying to get the ebbs and flows and i have 40 million knuckleheads sing i told you to do this or that and i'm depending on my facts. he says that when lunchtime hits people get hungry and order shake shack and that's why i invested. >> tucker: can't you just watch netflix like everyone else? >> yeah. here is my tv schedule. i have backed down. i watch one movie a day. and then i'm watching "the office" over and over, just cycling through. never gets old. >> tucker: you know that sounds like a pretty good schedule. i've got to say. day trading, watching movies, wearing purple plants. i don't know what's going to happen to this country. i don't know where the virus is going but i'm pretty sure dave portnoy will emerge stronger for this experience. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: great to see you tonight. we are out of time here we have come to the end of the hour, tried our best to be responsible and bring you news but there's a lot going on. hope you are staying safe with

the ones you love. we'll tell you once again sunday night at 9:00 p.m., commercial free concert here on all fox stations. have the best evening. see you tomorrow. sean hannity right now. >> sean: great show. welcome to "hannity." critical multitrillion dollar stimulus package installed on the u.s. senate. we have no idea when a vote will take place. they are or in the house either. you know, in a time of great urgency for the entire country, we have seen, let's start with the best in people. look at all these businesses. take a look at the screen. all of them on your screen have stepped up, huge, massive, incredible heroic ways to help their fellow americans. producing ventilators and masks. the medical equipment that is needed for the best doctors, best nurses, best medical professionals in the entire world that are on the front lines helping americans that are sick, putting themselves in harm's way. we cannot thank them enough for their service and their courage. these companie