>> tucker: thank you both. great to have both of you with us tonight. that is "the story" a friday, march 27th, 2020. as always, the story goes on purely indeed it does. we will see you. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the president of the united states has signed the $2.2 trillion coronavirus package into congress that just passed. this is the largest a bill in the history of the country, the world, in fact. will it help the people who need help most, and where is all of the money coming from? we will have details on what is in it, just ahead. but first, it has been a very long week, we don't need to tell you that. on monday, we told you it would be a long week. early the morning, surgeon general of the united states appeared on television to one americans to expect the worst. >> i didn't expect i would be on "the today show" for such a

somber occasion. i want america to understand, this week, it's going to get b bad. >> tucker: "this week, it's going to get bad. "sobering words from a country's top doctor. was he right? how bad was it? this seems a good time to assess that. any moment like this, events move bewilderingly fast. it becomes very hard to keep track of who you are relative to where you thought you would be. perspective becomes impossible. but tonight, we are going to give it a try because we think it is important, clearheaded deadness is the first casualty of crisis, that's how bad decisions get made right in the middle of. here are some facts to consider as we move forward. when our show open monday night, there were just over 40,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the united states. tonight, the end of the same week, the number has more than doubled to over 100,000 cases. over the course of monday, all day, 141 americans died from coronavirus. today, about twice as many died. and that's awful. every death is awful. it's also a steep and ominous

curve. but in absolute numbers, which may or may not be relevant, it's far fewer than many predicted. most deaths have been concentrated, by the way come in a few places: seattle, louisiana, and above all, in and around new york. in that city alone, more than 450 people have died, and one new york doctor described the situation in his hospital is worse than 9/11. >> hell. biblical. i kid you not. people come in, they get intubated, they die, the cycle repeats. >> are you overwhelmed? >> the system is overwhelmed come all over the place. 9/11 was nothing compared to this. we were open, waiting for patience to come, who never came. okay? now they just keep coming. >> tucker: that was dr. steve castor pedis. we are going to speak to him in just a minute on this show.

his hospital in queens seems completely overwhelmed by this. how is the rest of the country doing? the concern for months has been with large numbers of people starting to get six, our system would collapse, and people who otherwise might have been saved would instead die. that could still happen. it's always something to worry about. so far, thank god, it has not happened, at least on a large scale in the united states. doctors and nurses are working under tremendous stress and at risk to themselves, but still saving people, even in new york, the scariest predictions have not come to pass, and when they seem to have, the truth is -- this is almost always the case about everything -- it turned out to be more complicated than it seemed at first. for example, last night we told you about nurses who have donned trashbag because it wasn't sufficient protective gear, and a now famous picture has been circulating everywhere. it's shocking, but it turns out it's not new. according to a report out of new york from a nurses in the city have complained about supply shortages for at least a

year. in other words, this is a problem -- a bad problem -- but it's a long-term problem. we've also worried on this show along with an awful lot of other people, there wouldn't be enough ventilators to keep coronavirus patients alive. so far, instead, there have been more than enough. last night, we told you the federal government had sent thousands of ventilators to new york, many of which are in warehouses. governor cuomo was watching and apparently didn't agree, and called the show to complain. then they conceded today it was true. >> somebody said on cable news shows, the ventilators that new york needed aren't even being deployed. they are being stockpiled. yes, they are in a stockpiled. because that is where they are supposed to be, because we don't need them yet. we need them for the apex. the apex isn't here, so we are gathering them in a stockpile so

when we need them, they will be here. >> tucker: saving ventilators for the apex of the epidemic. we are not going to mock that, it's not crazy, may be smart, in fact. the question is, when can we expect the apex of the epidemic? we can only guess. three months ago, no one had heard of this strain of coronavirus. we still know surprisingly little about eight. we can't say with chris's and how easily it spreads from person to person, how many people have it. and most important, we are not at all sure how many people in the end will die of it. if the week we just saw is as bad as it gets, we will be fine, essentially pick up deaths keep rising at the rate we are seeing now, and we were in big trouble and i would be a calamity. you can make arguments for either scenario and deeply informed people are doing just that. the national shutdown we are living through is based in large part on fears that virus could have an overall death rate from 2, 3, or even 4%. that's a devastating rate of

fatality in high enough to change the country's demographics. but not everybody buys that assumption -- an assumption along which of our policy has been built. in an op-ed from "the wall street journal," medical experts predicted the virus could be more widespread than we thought. using a series of formulas, they concluded america may already have millions of cases, active cases of coronavirus. that would be, paradoxically, very good news. it would mean the virus is far less deadly than we thought it was beautiful if true, total american deaths could wind up in the thousands, rather than the millions. every decent person wants to believe that's the case, and it certainly may be true. the problem is, it also may be partly true. outside our country, there is growing evidence coronavirus is a very deadly. italy, for example, reported 919 coronavirus deaths today. at one point, not long ago, we thought it might be dropping, they may have reached their

apex. but they haven't, they're not dropping. today is a new record. it could in fact be worse than that thanks to undercounting, which seems to be widespread. in one italian town, 70 people have died in the last few weeks. officially, only two of them had coronavirus. and yet, last year, 18 people total died during the same span of time. that doesn't seem right, statistically. in another town, 18 people have died in the last month, and yet last year, only 28 people died over 12 months. is the difference due to coronavirus? we may never know. that's the problem, and it's why it's so hard for anyone to make wise decisions right now. we are operating with too little information, and informed guessing is essentially the best we can hope for. many of our leaders, believe it or not come are trying their hardest under the circumstances. scientists, epidemiologists, doctors, nurses, and even occasionally politicians. they want the best for the country, even though they may be reaching different conclusions about how to get there.

others, unfortunately, aren't even trying. they are getting rich manipulate in the markets during a crisis, plotting to seize political advantages. they are wasting our time, giving pompous little lectures about how great they are. remember their names. they ought to be punished when this is over. here is someone you should never forget. this is the health commissioner of new york city. she is one of the most criminally incompetent officials in the history of municipal government and public health. as the plague born down on new york, she told citizens everything was absolutely fine, and then she urged them to spend more time in crowded public places. watch this. to speak of the for new yorkers to know is that in this city cuy preparedness is high. there is no risk at this point in time, we will be learning more, but having it be transmitted in casual contact. so we are telling new yorkers, go about your lives, take the south way, go out, enjoy life,

but practice every day precautions. >> right. >> if it were likely to be transmitted casually, we would be seeing a lot more cases. >> right, right. >> tucker: you can't get it casually. it's not really contagious. take to the subway. i repeat, take the subway. i know mike can you charge someone like that for stupidity and negligence? you ought to be able to. there still a lot we don't know about coronavirus, but here's what's clear: in a lot of places, we need new leadership. earlier, we show you what one doctor had to say about what is happening at a hospital he works at a new york city. he joins us now. doctor, thank you so much for coming on. the tape we just played a few on the street comparing this to 9/11 got a lot of people's attention. tell us, if you will come up with the conditions are like right now in your hospital. >> well, the system has bent, but we are surviving.

the patients keep coming in waves. we lose a lot, a high mortality. i compare it to the blitzkrieg. you get that little calm, and then the other way it comes in. we have a lot of people on ventilators. a majority of the hospital is covid positive. very few people who do not have the virus, and unfortunately, those people are sick, too, and you don't want anybody falling through the cracks. >> tucker: tell us about the ventilators. a lot of attention has been focused on these machines. how do the patients do on the ventilators? on an answer to this? to the same lines? >> well, the difficulty with the viruses we have multiple ways of oxygenating people. regular oxygen, face masks,

bypass or cpap, high flow oxygen, and a ventilator. what we have noticed is the majority of the patients get a little bit better, and then they will decompensated. and when they decompensate, they decamp and decompensate rapidly, not a point is when they go on the ventilators. many on ventilators decompensate further, and we try as far as we can with protocol to try and treat them. unfortunately, a majority of them don't survive. we had some successes, where we've been able to excavate patients and they have improved, but the majority is we are losing a lot of our patients. >> tucker: i don't want to put you on the spot, but give us a sense of the profile of the kind of patients you are losing.

age, physical condition, et cetera. >> we had patients from 30 t 30 to 80. no underlying conditions, if they have underlying conditions, that's a strike against them. i have a very, very sad case, unfortunately, he went to an emergency room, had some changes on the chest x-ray, was sent home because his oxygen was okay -- excuse me. ended 24 hours, decompensated, emergency intubated, 100% fi o2, the highest you can go, and he's not going to make it. so we get patients from every walk of life, every age, the higher the risk of mortality. if that answers your question.

>> tucker: he does. unfortunately, it does. let me ask you one final question: are you concerned about your own health? we keep reading how doctors and nurses are at such high risk. >> well, i am. i'm more concerned about my doctor. a hospital in brooklyn. concerned about her mother, a critical care doctor working in the city, who is working on the floors now. i've been okay, you know, i've been one of the lucky ones who started on plaqu plaquenil. there are some people who say different blood types are higher risk of the virus. i'm all positive , so far, i've been lucky. theoretically, if there's anybody who should have been positive by now, it should've been me. >> tucker: yeah.

thank you for what you are doing, doctor, and godspeed to your wife and daughter too. thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: so the health of the people trying to save our health is of real concern. so we want to pause now and read a couple of letters we received, both from nurses in new york city. they've asked us to leave their names out. these are real and we want to share them with you. here's the first. "i'm currently in isolation because i was exposed to a covid positive patient 12 days ago. in my unit right now, we're just wearing your regular gown, face mask with our eyes and head exposed. them had one thermal scanner the entire unit. in the isolation room is very small, ten by 12 feet without any ventilation. we do the entire procedure face-to-face with the patient, just all regular mask and gown, even when they show signs and symptoms of covid-19. i'm on my eighth day of isolation, experience and coughing with a runny nose, pounding headaches, and diarrhea. i've tried to call hotlines they are giving to people of new york

to get tested, and they're turning i me down. i'm terrified because i suffer from asthma and suffer from diabetes. my son, has a lifelong condition, something happens to me. my husband is also a health care worker at one of the biggest home care services in new york, they are also not providing the necessary personal protective equipment because it is still not mandated by the department of health for all health care workers to wear the proper ppe. new york city has a shortage of supplies and we are not yet at the peak. the situation here is only going to get worse. " here's a select and from second letter. "there is about triple the usual influx of patients being reeled into the e.r. many patients are sent home without being tested because they don't meet all the criteria. there's always a lingering fear that someone was and how might actually be sick. of the hospital is restructuring to accommodate the number of covid-19 cases. today, about 80% of beds are being used for covid-19 patients. we had 20 cases last week, and

today, over 100. there's a lot of pressure, because we nurses have a responsibility to all patients, and at the same time, we fear getting sick and getting our families sick. it's a very tense environment right now. in the past week, we had a patient come in for noncovid related procedures. after, they said they had been exposed, and sure enough, tested positive. things like this make us all suspicious and on edge all the time. the nurses were angry because we were not all given n-95 masks until this week and we are told they are not enough. they put our names on equipment because we are to better keep reusing them, and are instructed to keep our end-95 masks until they are soiled, and we keep the masks and bags so we can reuse them. i'm afraid of cross-contamination, but we are conserving masks. it's not ideal." fox medical contribute or marc siegel joins us to react to that after practicing medicine in new york city for many, many years. we are happy to have you, doctor. we were asked not to reveal the

identities of those two nurses but we have confirmed they are nurses practicing in new york. what do you make of that? >> i think we are in a situation here where we have almost half the cases in the united states in new york. over 45,000 in the state. the city a predominant amount. i don't think hospitals are ready for this. i think they are overwhelmed. i think they have had to make makeshift awards and transfer patients around. i don't think there are proper precautions in a lot of places, that they don't have a negative ventilation they need, and i think people on the front lines, doctors and nurses, are in harm's way, to some extent, and it's a very, very frightening situation. we are also hearing about mobilizing other specialties that haven't been on the front lines in a while, graduating medical students early to get them to help out, and bringing in all sorts of attending physicians who haven't been in this type of situation in a long time. this is heroic, by the way, but

it's disturbing. very disturbing. they weren't ready for this. there's way more cases that were anticipated. >> tucker: and yet, in the face of that, at least judging by the numbers, they are doing a fine job. i mean, the total deaths have been very high, but they are not as high as a lot of us worried they would be, and as some people projected. what does that mean, do you think, to the extent you know? doesn't mean we are far from the peak of this? doesn't mean the virus itself is different from what we thought? what do you think? >> tucker, they are doing an outstanding job. i'm glad you pointed that out. but they are doing it by putting their own health at risk, which is a disturbing part. i don't regret the peak of this. i think we're several weeks away from that. i think it is going to start to spread to other epicenters and cities that you haven't been hearing about yet, like boston, like chicago, like atlanta, like miami, like new orleans. cities like that, where there's a lot of mass transit, and concerned about. this is the negative part of this. it's going to continue to spread

and we have to be vigilant about social distancing precautions and sheltering in place. in the affected areas come in epicenters. extremely important. we have to get medical supplies to those who need them the most. there is a positive side coming out -- >> tucker: doctor, i'm sorry, have to ask you this question. my producer looking this up, the position we just spoke to is practicing in the city, hasn't been infected and is grateful, but he's taking a medicine to protect him, and he gave a brand name. i didn't recognize it. apparently, it is hydroxychloroquine from another name for that. does that surprise you? hearing that? >> no. the name you are talking about his pocket no. that's another name for hydroxychloroquine. a lot of people feel this is an extremely effective drug at decreasing the virus' viral spread, especially early in the course. what is lacking are substantial clinical trials, but a lot of people are using this at its very promising.

i talked to some top rheumatologist today, they use it regularly and their practices, and it absolutely has antiviral properties against this virus. >> tucker: that's actually fascinating. my producer caught that, i didn't. but i'm glad to know that. think of or concerning. dr. siegel, good to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: congress just spent $2.2 trillion to prop up the u.s. economy and to help people who desperately needed right now. so where does that money come from? and is there a chance, irony of ironies, he could empower china in the long-term? too late now, course, but still worth investigating. but first, photographer nathan furness has been on the streets of new york, which may not be this quiet again for a long, long time. ♪ ♪ there's no place like home. especially when xfinity

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♪ >> tucker: one of the earlier outbreaks of coronavirus took place on a cruise ship, but it was in the last time that happened. another ship has become a coronavirus deathtrap, not really an overstatement. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has the very latest for us. hey, trace. >> hey, tucker. four people have died on the cruise ship, though the cruise line isn't saying if they do not know mike died of covid-19. two other passengers -- an additional 138 passengers and

crew are showing flu-like symptoms, which helps authorities believe it might also be covid-19. we don't know how many have been tested, but here is the dilemma: the ship owned by carnival and had 1800 passengers and left buenos aires. while at sea, carnival suspended operations for 30 days. then they try to disembark in chile, but because of the cruise ship outbreaks, the country would not allow it, so now the tri ship is off the coaf panama, waiting to help transfer its healthy passengers to the rotterdam. after that, it's supposed to head to fort lauderdale, but here's the thing: with six passengers, the ship might not be allowed to go through the panama canal. so, for now, it appears to be stuck. though panama has agreed to deliver food and medicine, but the passengers haven't been report since march 14th. carnival also owns the diamond princess that had the covid outbreak near japan in the grand princess that also had six

passengers and docked in oakland. tucker? >> tucker: amazing. caught in limbo. trace gallagher, thanks a lot. earlier today, not long ago, congress passed and the president signed a coronavirus stimulus package, and aid package worth a total of $2.2 trillion. so a crisis loomed congress congress spent $2.2 trillion to fix it. wait a second, where is the money coming from? and by the way, you can worry about that without disagreeing with the thrust of the aid package, which is to help people who are hurting, and we ought to. you can still have space to wonder where do we get the money? the answer, we are borrowing it and fuss adding to the $23 trillion in debt we already have. there's a larger question were thinking about: how much of that debt will china be buying? and will it matter? chris bedford is a senior editor at ""the federalist"" and joins us tonight. oh chris, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me.

>> tucker: i think most people watching and most people in the country believes there is a federal level to help people. the government told people not to work, seems fair the government would take up some of the slack there. so i think we probably agree on that. but it still worth wondering, where did this money come from? for this bill? >> that's the whole thing, isn't it? the governor is basically going to put a printer to the window and hit print. the money is going to rain. u.s. government prints its own currency, and the only limit to how much currency and wants to print, to the point of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, is inflation. when you put over $2 trillion into the market, though, we are looking absolutely at having inflation in this country, so at that point, we have really entertain. but it's a con game in the truest sense, the old-fashioned sense, it's a confidence game. everybody looks at each other and says "this will work from

and it's real." >> tucker: or they are not thinking about it. the crisis is at hand, it has to be dealt with, people need to be helped, pay the rent, buy food, and maybe that is the cost you accept. in the back of my mind, though, i can't help but worry that when all of this is done and when the virus burns out or we figure out how to stop it medically, china -- which started this contrastive fee -- will be stronger and we were way weaker. do you think that is a risk? >> it's definitely a risk, but the good news and bad is china's very nervous right now. they are looking the president being nice and may be toning down some of his language, but they know that when this is over, the entire planet is going to look around them, assess the damage, and they are going to look at who was responsible for this. they know with a populist president at a populist congre congress, the debt might be nationalized or bought from them, and they are not looking -- they know all the dollar is going to go down because of inflation. right now, they would be rather hesitant to spend money buying

u.s. debt. they have no idea what is coming to them. >> tucker: i hope you are right and the rest of the world puts the blame where it belongs. i'm starting to think the rest of the world is afraid of china. >> we need their supplies. we need their supply lines right now. >> tucker: exactly right, the cost of off shoring our entire industrial economy. chris bedford, thank you so much for the clarity on that. good to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: alexandria ocasio-cortez is eldridge tonight. no surprise, she has always outraised. she's mad about the coronavirus stem in this package, not because it show changes americans. just the opposite, in fact. she's mad it doesn't give enough to foreign national is here illegally. plus, the university of minnesota has invented a new way to build off-the-shelf ventilators, macgyver style. just ahead. great story. first, photojournalist takes us inside lax for a glimpse of what the country's big airports look

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>> tucker: you can debate the specifics, but in general, most americans seem pretty happy congress was able to pass in a package that benefits ordinary people as well as companies. the bill is so generous it gives aides to millions of

non-american citizens, as long as they are here legally. but from one member of congress, that's not enough. in fact, the bill isn't generous, it's an insult. alexandria ocasio-cortez, the dumbest, most unhappy member of congress, may be the one person out of 435 who had no influence on anything and yet still does, has denounced the stimulus bill because it leaves one group out: illegal aliens. is she really working for the rnc secretly? probably. in her view, people with no legal right to be here, people filling american jobs, crowding american hospitals, lowering american wages, good people but not americans, violating our laws, for aoc, these people deserve aid, just like american citizens, the ones who are hurting and out of work. what percentage of americans support that idea? we've been seeing polling on it, but you would think the number . it was foolish to think that during our strongest period, our richest time, america could

provide free everything to the rest of the world, but to demand the same thing when the economy is on the edge of collapse? and tens of millions of american citizens are in danger? that's not dumb, that's a loathing for your own country. obviously. so now, to a story we've been just waiting to do because it is such a great story with such happy news. if coronavirus continues to get worse, you've heard many people say, and it's true, there could be a critical shortage of reading ventilators for the most severely affected. some companies have stepped up to manufacture new ventilators, and good for them. but at the university minnesota, they are doing something different: they successfully designed a ventilator that can be constructed, macgyver-style, out of off the shelf materials. amazing. dr. stephen richardson is a cardiac anesthesiologist at the university minnesota and joins us tonight. thrilled to have you, doctor, thank you for coming on. explain this anyway we can understand. >> so, what we did here is we

have created an option, when patients have no other option left. so, we are concerned about the availability of the ventilators in the united states, as we've seen has been a problem throughout the world. so we know that companies are working around the clock to try and make icu-great operating room-grade ventilators, but we are trying to create an option in case that effort is not enough. so what we did -- >> tucker: . i'm sorry, please, go ahead. tell us what you did. speak a couple weeks ago, our dean of the medical school put out a challenge to the universi, asking for a grant proposal, fop with solutions for the coronavirus, and the many challenges we face with respect to that. anesthesiologist, my thought was, initially, how could i help

with this? i don't think i can construct an ic ventilator, and on saturday night, i got struck with a thought, you know what, we could basically take a cpr device and miniaturize it and squeeze a bag. the next morning, i woke up and called my best friend, who works at mdc diagnostics as a medical engineer, and i said, i think we can build a medica ventilator. we rounded up some guys, i went to the o.r. to try a couple of things out we talked about, and i met him at his work. they toyed on a machine they had with a motor in it, and five hours later, we had a working ventilator, basically. we could squeeze in ample bag to provide people with a last resort option, if it were about to be overrun with patients, basically, the first started in his toolbox and is now our first and, what we are calling 3.2, which is behind me here, basically a one armed robot that squeezes a ambu bag, for an

option to be out of the room because of the pandemic. >> tucker: amazing! that is what you guys do on the weekends. the rest of us are proud if he put together a ping-pong table in the garage. doctor, thank you to you and your friends were doing this. i hope we don't need it, but i mean, how reassuring it is there. we appreciate you coming on tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so it looks like this could be yet another weekend stuck at home for most people. adam corolla joins us next with advice on what to do while cooped up. but first, here is another look at new york's eatery, empty streets ♪

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it's just our way of doing our part... ♪ >> tucker: looks like a lot of america is headed for yet another long weekend stuck indoors and may have to endure several more, at least, so how can we make the most of this time? for advice on that, we turn, once again, to adam corolla, host of "the adam corolla show," and one of the funniest people in america. great to see you tonight. you look like you're in your backyard. >> i am. >> tucker: we asked you last week on the cusp of this shutdown what your advice was. you gave us brilliant advice. a week to refine it, what are you thinking about pointing now? >> well, i have a few thoughts. first off, everyone is worried about the american economy and all the losers in this coronavirus situation, but there is one huge winner in the coronavirus outbreak, and that

is the houston astros. remember, 10 minutes ago, when everyone was throwing baseballs at them at all of the fans were booing and everyone was screaming and the baseball season was about to begin, and the houston astros were going to have the worst nine months of their entire franchise lives? when's the last time someone brought up the houston astros? >> tucker: that's a really good point. i bet they feel lucky right now. >> definitely, being sequestered at home is much better than having fastballs thrown at your head four days a week. >> tucker: good point. >> i had a thought, which is -- it sort of dovetails on your victory garden discussion about two and a half weeks ago on your program, which i thought was pretty thought-provoking. what about having a garden? what about being a little self-sufficient? and for the last week, i pointed to get a haircut, but i can't

get a haircut because the place is closed, and i thought, if this is 50 years ago, my wife would cut my hair, and my wife would cut my kids' hair, and i would be down in the garage working on something, and we would be much more self-sufficient. so, if we could use this time to sort of get back to those activities -- and by the way, people think that is a financial thing. you go, oh, let the wife cut the sun's hair. what, pay $13 and let fantastic john cut it. is not about the money, it's about the story and it's about the interaction of mom cutting the hair. think about all the great conversations that took place over moms cutting the kid's hair, going out to the patio, putting the stool down, sweeping up, and all the comedy that ensues from it, as well. so i thought, we are all at home, all stuck, all wish we had skills we don't possess, such as cutting hair or putting up

shelves in the garage with a dad, or what have you. maybe this will be a nice window to learn some of those old skills and those skills that bring us together. >> tucker: i think that's really wise. my producer said in my ear he is planning on cutting my hair. thankfully, he is a new york right now, nowhere nearby. are you can include? are you returning to a kind of preindustrial life at your house in suburban l.a.? >> well, i've killed a couple coyotes with a bb gun. i'm making here jerky out of them as we speak. and i'm salting them away for the long winter. you know, i came into this having handy skills, because i was a carpenter and that what was what i did for a living, and i realized it always kept me sa. it's a good time to go into something visceral, cut your kids hair, put shelves up, make lasagna together, because the

physical activity keeps you connected and it keeps you sane. if we could get off the computers and get off the internet a little and get back on to what sort of made this country great and all interactions, that would be nice -- and also, there is a practical side to it, you know, being able to iron your own clothes and cut your own hair and cook your own food means you don't have to rely on the outside world. >> tucker: no, it's a completely good point, but most people are still watching television. for those viewers of ours who are coming looking for something to watch, you don't want to watch the tiger guy in new york, the documentary "no safe spaces" is out to julie, and how do you get it? i think this is something worth watching. >> "no safe spaces" is a documentary i worked on, and we're putting it out on video-on-demand. go to nosafespaces.com and find it, watch it -- watch it with your kids. i think it's an important movie to watch with your kids.

they will enjoy it. there is a lot of comedy in it and it's also pretty thought-provoking. >> tucker: i think it is. i think it's great. and i hope our viewers will watch it. adam corolla, good luck with the haircut, and we will see you soon. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: a lot of americans are anxious about a lot of things come about getting sick, about the economy, but a lot of americans are also alone, nothing makes people more anxious than that. so in the face of all of this, how do you cultivate calm, a sense of purpose? that's next. one of the wisest people i know joins us. but first, another look at the state of los angeles, this time the hollywood walk of fame. ♪ ♪

dr. jerome adams: why should young people care about the spread of coronavirus?

well we know that people with underlying medical conditions over the age of 60 are at highest risk, but they've got to get it from somebody. dr. deborah birx: so we're asking everyone to be selfless for others so that we can protect those who are most susceptible. dr. anthony fauci: not going to bars, not going to restaurants, it all just means physical separation, so that you have a space between you and others. dr. jerome adams: for more information on how you can social distance please go to coronavirus.gov >> this is going away. we are to win the battle, but we also, you know -- have tremendous responsibility. we have jobs, people get tremendous anxiety and depression, and you have suicides over things like this. >> tucker: a lot of americans who are already anxious and depressed before this pandemic arrived. now coronavirus has put millions out of work.

a global recession almost certainly caused a surge in depression among people. how can you avoid that? you have thought more about sadness than anyone in the world. he is the author of a fantastic book "lost connections" and we are happy to have him on tonight. great to see you. people are more isolated than ever, they have real reasons to be anxious for the future, it seems logical we would see an uptick in sadness. what should we do about it? >> you are totally right. for really long time people have been told, if they are depressed, if they are anxious, they are kind of biologically broken and there are some biologic components to some people, but all along, depression and anxiety have mainly been signals. every human being has needs. if your needs aren't met, it's actually perfectly rational to feel anxious and feel depressed. think about at this moment, financial insecurity makes people depressed, right? overwhelming evidence for that. >> sean:>> tucker: of course.

>> one of the reasons for this crisis is the collapse of the middle-class and financial insecurity. at the moment, obviously that is exploding. the best thing you can do with depression and anxiety by personally and as a society is to listen to the signal, honored the signal, don't tell people they are weak or they are crazy if they feel this way. listen to the signal enough where you can deal with the underlying problem. obviously, there are lots of problems and i go through all of them in my book "lost connections" but that's look at financial security, the issue you raised rightly. there are countries who are dealing with the financial insecurity pretty well. i am in britain, as you know from my weird "downton abbey" accent. i'm british. the conservative government in britain have done plenty of things wrong but they guaranteed 80% of people's wages for as long as this crisis lasts. the government of el salvador, one of the poorest countries in the world has paid peoples rent and utility bills for the duration of this crisis.

think about how many americans you know who are currently deeply depressed and anxious, not because they are crazy, but because -- not because they are weak or biologically broken, but because they have very good reasons to be afraid. think of how differently they would feel if they knew they were being guaranteed, they were being lifted up, rather than the government just going to wall street and the wealthy. >> tucker: so, i mean coronavirus bill partly as a response to what you are just saying. i certainly hope it works. but for people who are remaining -- probably a longer conversation -- but for whom financial insecurity continues, is there anything else you can do? do you think? >> yeah, there's a lot of things. a huge amount that we can do to deal with these deep, underlying causes of depression and anxiety. let's think about another one. there is overwhelming evidence that the more you think life is about money and status and showing off, the more likely you

are to become depressed and anxious. just like junk food took over our diets and made us physically sick, a kind of junk values have taken over our minds and made us mentally sick. i think this crisis is an opportunity to really reassess this crisis in values. for the first time we can really see two of the people who keep us alive, who were the people who are most valuable? they are not the celebrities who get applauded, they're not the super rich people? who are they question my grandmother was a cleaner her whole life. bus drivers, the people stocking their shelves in the supermark supermarket. >> tucker: it's totally true. >> if this crisis could lead to a change in values where we value less the nonsense values of money and how many followers you have on social media, and we focus more on appreciating the real and meaningful things in life, which are human connecti connection -- >> tucker: i hope that's true. i wish we weren't out of time, but you're right.

it's not just instagram stars who were keeping the country alive. johann, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: sunday night, the i heart living room concert. have a great weekend, we will see you monday. ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity." busy, breaking news, friday night. tonight does gap what has been a very difficult week for so many americans. now, we are not out of the woods yet by any stretch. it's going to be a few more weeks of this but if the pattern holds and i know the mob and the media, they want to scare the living daylights out of you. if it holds, we know a number of things will hopefully level off, drop dramatically and as soon as possible, we will all want life to return to normal. we are the united states of america, we will soon be passed this. it is who we are. we must remember that even in times of trouble. now help is on the